OUT OF THE WAY AMERISHIT

daddy why is that gto a truck?

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I wish America got UTEs I'd buy one in a fuckin heartbeat, oh well

>i want a rwd coupe
>i want a long wheelbase
>i want a big usefull boot (trunk for murifags)

this concept would catch on everywhere, why does straya keep utes for themselves?

>>16776145
BECAUSE HE'S A SICKCUNT, AND YOU'RE A SHITCUNT ULEH.
it's G8 by the way retard, I'm not merifat and had to correct you.

>>16776266
Because a wagon is just better.

>>16776305
>implying ameristan gets wagons either

>>16776143
I SAW ONE OF THESE IN SOCAL YESTERDAY. I was headed to Julian and saw a red one blasting down the road, and came in my pants

>>16776305
Just like an SUV is better than a truck, but for some reason people still buy trucks.

>>16776322
Maybe they are legally importable because they've "technically" been crash tested since they are similar to a G8. Apparently there's a small company converting maloo's into LHD to make them street legal in the US.

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>>16776372
http://lefthandutes.com/gallery.html
Holy shit, these guys import wagons too

You van get them in my country, and I can appreciate their performance.

But fucking hell they are ugly, such an aquired taste.

>>16776324
Small penis syndrome for the most part
They can be useful if you're hauling large shit often

>>16776392
All of them are ugly but I like the VL because they remind me of obnoxious SRT4's with their funny sounding BOV's, VE's are pretty much the least ugly. The WM Caprice is pretty much a sleeper

>>16776392
>>16776430
They're ugly in a cool, charming way. I don't know how to explain it, but it's part of the appeal to me.

>>16776438
What catches me about the VL is that their the only model with hidden headlights

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>>16776143
no

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>>16776143
Ute is love

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How is Holden reliability?

>>16777335
just a strayacunt chebby so it's bretty re-lie-able if you ask me m9

>>16777335

about as reliable as opel or vauxhall so mid-tier

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>tfw no ute to haul dirtbikes in
I really don't know why we can't have them in burgerland.

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>>16776322

Since you're in Socal it was probably this one that I saw at a car show two weeks ago in Palm Springs.

>>16776143
The modern equivalent of El Camino, it is sexy as fuck

>>16776243
Buy an El Camino you double nigger

>>16777690
Yeah, I'd bet money that's it. Looks identical

>>16777725
it's not the same you faggot, I like the appearance of the ute and they have performance packages, El caminos are garbage

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Fuck yes cunt.

>>16777777

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>>16776243
RIP

>>16777774
Fug. The more I look at this the more I want it.

>>16776243
Check out Left Hand Utes.

>>16777335
They have a problem holden up with 'murican roads, that's why they aren't sold there.

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I saw a Holden/Vauxhall Ute a week ago. It looked so beautifully out of place on the cramped roads of inner London.

Why are they stopping production of the ute in stralia? Aren't they selling like hotcakes?

>>16776143
>OMG! New Camaro!
>Awesome! They should bring the El Camino back!
>They had it in Australia
>*shows pic*
>That's it? Oh nevermind!
>OMG! New Camaro!
>They should bring the Firebirds back!
>They kind of are...
>*shows pic*
>That's it? Oh nevermind...

What's next? Eldorado? Deuce and a quarter?
Cavaliers?

>>16777335

Why are the brakes so rusty?

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Not 100% confirmed but i think the reason americans can't get utes is what i believe is called the "chicken tax" which was to stop people importing potatoes and shit, also including light trucks. Utes being a sedan converted to a smaller truck with a bed. even then , things like vans are built in say germany or japan, disassembled and reassembled in america to bypass the tax, this cuts into the profit, and as a result, no profit to be made. And thats probably the reason you dudes have disgusting crossovers and fuck off huge trucks. sad you guys cucked yourselves out of the "working mans fun car to have" because owning a work vehicle you can take to the track is too much to handle>>16781138

>>16781158
long story short, its "too expensive" to build here, and the government kickbacks helped it float a year or 2 longer, but only prolonged the inevitable

>>16776400
>They can be useful if you're hauling large shit often
Less than 0.1% of truck owners.

>>16781440
there is that and also marketing.

Nissan/Toyota/subaru did not think that smaller (under 2 litre) trucks would sell well in the american market, and that they would have a hard time competing against ford/chevy/dodge with their large i6/v8 trucks.

Which is part of the flaw in thinking, they were everyday farm trucks : haul these bags of feed, haul these bales of hay, Drive into the city to go to the store. Not "replace my truck i haul the tractor around with". They never could compete with US made trucks because they were not designed to.

They should have focused on the strengths of the small trucks like the ausi ad campaigns did for the ford utes : Haul your sheep to sale on saturday, drive your wife to church on sunday.

dodge tried to sell a small truck (rampage) it flopped miserably.

the suabru Brat got around the chicken tax with its rear seats making it a "passenger car". If the Ute style trucks had space cabs with fold down seats in the back they escaped the chicken tax, which only affected light "commercial vehicles" namely 2 seat 2l and under trucks, under IIRC 2000lbs.


on an unrelated note, there is a recent surge of popularity here in the city of getting grey import japanese trucks to use as city delivery vehicles. they are little trucks, you can get out after parking directly onto the sidewalk and not have to wait on traffic. Sunny B120's and Vanette/dihatsu Tray beds are popping up all over the place.

>>16781440
>sad you guys cucked yourselves out of the "working mans fun car to have"
The chicken tax is what happens when you start a trade war. Donald Trump might want to look at history.

>>16782108
You clearly don't know what a trade is if you thought that's a trade war. Also, virtually every other country already has a tariff in place for imported American goods.

>>16782124
>You clearly don't know what a trade is if you thought that's a trade war.
It was 100% made in retaliation to European countries trying to block cheap American chicken from flooding the market and killing all domestic chicken farming.

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>>16776143
>getting a GXP edition

Still acceptable in the grand scheme of things I guess my man

>>16777690
Thats an SS or SS-V Ute with an HSV front bumper on it. Basically the white rapper of the automotive world. The front guards and wheels and bits of the body kit are all wrong.

Also means it's got an L98 rather than an LS2 or LS3.

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>>16782108

I own one of the imported vehicles precisely targeted by the chicken tax, and the japanese still figured out how to avoid it. It's 37 years old now...nope, not getting rid of it either.

>>16782215
G8s had the L76. It's an LS2 block with LS3 heads/intake and DoD/AFM.

>>16782168
Wut state my man? We should meet and talk about cars in a heterosexual way.

>>16782215
Is a maloo, just not an r8. Almost no one who can afford a hsv would ever buy one but there you go.

>>16783677
No the post I quoted is definitely not a maloo. It's got the wrong wheels and the wrong front guards. It is definitely not an HSV

>>16783447
It's also lower compression and less cam lift and barely more powerful than an LS1.

>>16783712
Fair enough.

>>16783728
Stock vs stock, sure. More potential though. Bolt-ons and a tune wake up these cars a lot. Lower compression is a plus with boost too.

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>>16776143
Ford master race coming through

>>16783832
Fuck off cunt. This was never about Ford or holden, it's about Utes.

>>16783808
There's fuck all you can do with those DOD motors without a cam swap first. They are actually as gay as aids. Spend the extra money and get the high performance motor (the LS) rather than the passenger car v8 that they gimped for emissions and NVH.

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>>16776319

Wut.

>>16783808
And to suggest the lower power engine is better because there's more opportunities to sink money into it to get the same power is stupid.

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>>16783850
Jealous cause my DOHC i6 turbo flogs the shit out of your poofter tier pushrod engine???

>>16783866
>>16783884
Yawn. Been running a Roots blower for years on an otherwise stock engine. Around 500WHP they're just fine. DoD lifters are a crapshoot whether you're stock or not. Anyone doing a cam should absolutely do a DoD delete kit at the same time. Voila, "high performance LS motor".

I cannot stress how horrible the stock exhaust is on these. The cats actually neck down to 1 3/4" on the inlet.

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>>16783942
>big wheels
>skinny tires

Fucking bogan

>>16783942
Here we go again. Every fucking time, Ford faggots have to come in and make it about Ford vs holden. Just fuck off.

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>>16776143
WHY MUST YOU AUSFAGS HAVE GOOD SHIT WHEN WE'RE STUCK WITH BLAND SHIT. YOU GUYS HAVE THE BEST UTES, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY. IT'S NOT FAIR.

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>>16784000
nice rebuttal

> GM BTFO

>>16784046
Cool you win, feel like a big boy? Fuck off now?

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>>16784054
To your mother: ask how taste are my sperm

Are GM Aus ads obnoxious like GM US?

>>16784063
Ask your father how taste mine

How can amerifats even compete?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSSNP6ryCWk

>Mustang owners cucked again

>>16777023
Hello dat dood

>>16781199
You can see it recently rained.

>>16776143
>TFW no modern Chevrolet SS - El Camino

>>16783660
I'm all the way up in sunny QLD my guy, so I'm usually too far out of the way to meet up and drive with any /o/tists.

>>16785371
Yeah I feel you. Perth is a wasteland.

>>16784082
gay

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>>16787417

>>16777811
>yfw they sold a few of these holden utes rebadged as pontiacs in aus since they never got sold in merica
>old friend bought one

the same in everyway to a normal holden ute, except everywhere it said holden, it said pontiac/badges etc.

>>16781584
except aussie utes aren't 2 litres. kek

my old ford falcon was a 3 litre inline 6 i think? or 3.8? or 4? i forget.

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>>16776324
The only thing that makes an SUV better than a truck is third row seating. That's it. That may be of advantage if you have six children.
Otherwise, you're better off with a dual cab pickup.
>>16783832
Is that the overweight bucket of shit with a chassis design similar to a pickup, yet lower payload capacity than the Holden?
That's right, it is! Handles like shit, and is capped at less than half a tonne! But sure, you can mash the throttle in a straight line...

Holden's are Australia's shit tier cars, from performance to relialbity they haven't made anything themselves for a very long time, rather importing any engine of substance from the states, sticking it into some crappily made shitbox that won't see past 150,000ks and calling it a car.

Holdens make a great family car you'll replace every two years, but anything more than that they're pieces of shit. Throwing a couple of useless plastic spoilers on a car, shoving some LS variety engine and a HSV badge and asking $150,000 for it is highway robbery.

There's a reason Holden failed.

>>16787427
ss utes ls1 5.7L

>>16787442
Dunno in what universe holden failed

>>16787442
What does that say about Falcons? And those *cough cough*... Valiants? :')

>>16787442
You're exaggerating a bit imo but there's truth in what you're saying

I've always thought that if the Swedes can have a company like Volvo as successful and dynamic as they are, why can't Holden make better cars than sick commos?
I drive a Commodore myself but in the end there's a reason they failed

>>16787446
The universe where they don't post profit or barely scrape even, and are now shutting up shop and getting China to make everything?

>>16787448
Same applies for Ford but even worse for them, considering they haven't released a sports Coupe since the 70ties. Atleast Holden had a stab with the 06 Manaro

Chrysler had its own problems, but atleast they sold all their shit to Mitsubishi when they saw the large car market in Australia was not sustainable anymore. As for car design, all Valiant's VH-CM were Australian designed.

>>16787457
No exadduration, Holden has no one to blame but themselves. Australians buy more cars than most markets but yet they failed to tap into it and stay afloat.

I currently daily a VE SV6. For a family car it's great, but what shocked me was after driving a friends VE HSV 308 thing, it handles basically the same as my SV6, and they charge 120 grand for them new? Fuck that noise.

>>16787463
>holdens are shit

Fuck off back to your little discord wank group with all the other faggots. Plus you drive a shitty old Valiant, your opinion is invalid.

>>16787463
>As for car design, all Valiant's VH-CM were Australian designed
That didn't make them good. Falcons were also Australian "designed" from the XA onwards, itself released a few years after the VJ. I'd argue the Falcon was a much nicer car because of its American derived platform, as opposed to the Valiant competitor that shares more in common chassis wise with an 80s Pajero.
You're also undermining the great things Holden achieved motorsport wise with their own home grown V8, which had a far more colourful history than anything Chrysler Australia achieved. If it wasn't for the all conquering GTR Skyline, the factory stroker Group A Commodores were more than capable of taking it to the world class Ford Sierras.

And honestly, these days, if I was buying a late model full size A-B sedan, I'd sooner have a VE Commodore over the equivalent Falcon.

>>16787475
#Triggered lel

>>16787470
>but what shocked me was after driving a friends VE HSV 308
>VE HSV 308
Jesus christ you're an idiot.
> it handles basically the same as my SV6
Well considering it's based entirely off the same platform (which in itself is a highly accomplished chassis), durr.

>>16787444
yes 5.7 is above 2L whats your point?

>>16787477
Valiant's have their short comings for sure, as do the Fords and Holdens of their time. I wasn't the one to bring Chrysler into this, Chrysler Motorsport sucked ass, and did nothing of value down here. And I agree, Holden Motorsport have done a lot of good throughout the years, it's a shame Group A still isn't a thing as I can't stand the Bathurst 1000 wankfest.

I'm talking modern Holden, they haven't made a good car since the VL, with small bursts of awesomeness (06 Maloo) that fizzled out before it got anywhere exciting. I wish they didn't kill that off and kept developing it, it's such a shame they released it just as the GFC happened and no one was buying those types of cars.

>>16787470
Ayyy I drive the same one mate

Tbh I do quite like it apart from an annoying rattle in the dash that only shows itself at 110kph on the highway.

>>16787480
And again your proving my point.. there is no reason to charge $150,000k for a fucking car built on the same platform as an SV6.

And yeah I don't know a Hodlen badge from my own asshoel, sue me lol

>>16787494
>And again your proving my point.. there is no reason to charge $150,000k
First of all, good job cherrypicking such a miniscule limited run to base your prices off. Second of all, try building an identical vehicle to a Clubsport out of a base model Omega, and see how much it costs you.
You're acting surprised manufacturers base many different trim levels off the same basic vehicle? The same thing happens everywhere around the world. Your critism isn't valid.
>>16787487
>they haven't made a good car since the VL
The critically acclaimed VE, of which you claim to own, is such a vehicle. And the VE-VF utes are brilliant, particularly as a cheaper 2 seater performance car.

>>16787506
I'm not surprised at different trim levels for a model of car built on the same platform. I'm surprised at the price jump of almost 100k from the base model to the top model for what most would consider just an engine swap. Sure, a few upgraded electrical components, some tweaking to suspension and handling and a ton more plastic is worth paying extra, but 100k? When Holden offer their flagship, best car for the same money as a lot of good European sports cars, you'd think you'd get something in the same ballpark when it came to performance or handling, yet for half the price you go buy an XR6 Turbo and you have a comparable car, quicker depending on the HSV/Holden model you compare it to.

I'm not hating on Holden because I flat out don't like them, it's more of the fact I'm disappointed in their offerings over the last 20 odd years. Having one stand out car (VE) clearly wasn't enough to save the company, something that shouldn't of happened.

I'm real sad we won't have any more local car manufacturing come 2020. Blame the Gov or the Unions but I do feel a large chunk of blame has to go square at the companies themselves.

>>16787538
>I'm surprised at the price jump of almost 100k from the base model to the top model for what most would consider just an engine swap.
For someone doing perming a ground up rebuild you seem quite ignorant. Either that or you're intentionally being obtuse.
>but 100k? When Holden offer their flagship, best car for the same money as a lot of good European sports cars, you'd think you'd get something in the same ballpark when it came to performance or handling
Perhaps you want to check the prices of comparable size range BMW M5s, AMG E63s and Audi RS6s again before you make that call.

>>16787538
Also
>I'm not hating on Holden because I flat out don't like them
Fucking bullshit. Why have you targeted them for critisms that the other local manufacturers are more liable for?

>>16776145
because fuck your mother, son

Bump for hay haulers

>>16787427
Jesus Christ you don't belong on this board if you don't even know your falcon was 4 litre

>>16781124
seems like a great way to get your shit crushed

>>16787442
Not even the gts-r maloos are $150k what planet are you from?

>>16790335
I think he's talking about the extremely limited GTSR W1 as though that's HSV's regular price.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's intentionally being obtuse about a marque he has a vested interest against as opposed to being a complete and utter retard.

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>>16776143
utes are kinda ugly my man
these would never make it in murika for that reason alone

>>16790464
They're better looking than a typical pickup truck, so your logic is flawed.

>>16790502
nah,they're uglier than the car counterpart, vastly uglier and less useful than a real pickups.
which is why they're frowned upon by the single most important automotive market in the world.
literally mullet: the car

>>16790525
>nah,they're uglier than the car counterpart
They're not.
>vastly uglier
Couldn't be more incorrect. Sounds like you're the fickle majority who claims something they're not used to is ugly.
>less useful than a real pickups
Depends how you measure "useful", and if that's by load capacity then you'd probably find commercial Commodore and Falcon based utes to have a similar payload to your compact or midsize Pickups like Tacoma or Colorado. You'd also be using proper dropside cabovers in place of HD Pickups that had a more useful tray length than a rather pedestrian 8' if that was the concern. Guess that's proof the American vehicle market really is short sighted and fickle.
I would've given you the benefit of the doubt and thought CAFE standards are the real thing stopping them, but I guess not.

>>16790580
looks like shit sorry, america doesn't want them

>>16790659
>looks like shit sorry, america doesn't want them
So then what are you doing in America?

>>16790256
i did know, as i said, i forgot you fuckwit.

sold that cunt years ago.

like i give a fuck

>>16790680
lol salt
I have near perfect bone structure and 6' 2".

>>16790707
>near perfect bone structure

Wow just like 99.9% of humans born in the 1st world, inspires such confidence for your looks that this is what you chose to lead with.

>>16790707
>salt
My kettle isn't black thankyou very much.

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>>16790717
Perhaps your disdain for my handsome genetics will make utes more desirable to america..

>>16790796
That doesn't make any sense, but have a (you)

>>16790833
sorry the sarcasm was lost on you
enjoy your ute

>>16790901
>implying
The sarcasm doesn't make it any more valid...
>I get a temp ban for racial vilification
Explain yourself janitor.

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>>16782398
>tfw no diesel Chevy LUV

fuck man. land of the free indeed.

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America had it's el camino phase, you aussies will move on eventually

We decided it was better to just make fast trucks

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>>16790963
I could go for a ram viper. first order of business would be removing the retarded spoiler so I could actually use the box.

>>16790963
I'm actually hopeful with the American adoption of the global Ranger (and its platform for use with the new Bronco) that there'd be a strong possibility of a 5.0 option developed for the platform, kind of like the last generation Isuzu based Colorado.

>>16791062
>ford
>spending money on their v8
they'll use the twin turbo v6 ecoboost as the top trim, I would just hope for a manual option on all trims

>>16791091
I'd be even happier with the ecoboost V6. It'd make a neat go-to moderately weighted tuner pickup.

>>16776266
the market for compact pickups died here, and to an american eye, a ute is just a compact pickup that's too low and has the disadvantages of a monocoque design.

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>>16787429
T. Butthurt Holden owner

One day you might be able to afford a Ford, m8.

Till then, stay salty.

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>>16787442
Was about to say something, then I remembered I didnt even get 40,000 out of my timing chain in my VE. Wife's old BA falcon still going strong on the original chain at 280,000 :(

>>16791542
Why would the Holden owner be butthurt?

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>>16791583
Because the XR6T Ford beats the Holden LS3 or LS76 or LSA in all 1/4 mile runs. 99% of races around here are straight line races, this isn't Bathurst open day m8.

>>16791674
It might be faster on the account if a lower payload capacity lol, seriously, built like an oxcart with a lower payload than the refined better handling sedan based Commodore ute? Besides, you won't be beating anyone with your axle tramp and demolished centre bearing.
Apply a dealer fitted and warranted Supercharger to the Lolden and the XR6T doesn't have a chance. I'll take the complete package thanks. Not the overpowered oxcart.

>>16791674
I'm also sorry you live in Alice Springs, where the only elevated terrain is sacred land you can't drive on.

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>>16791737
Fuck you

>>16787463
The VH-CM body shape was designed by Bob habbach, an American. And a lot of parts were still shared with the mopar A body platform... which parts were Australian?

>>16787470
Where do you get this $120k figure from? The E series senator signature (the most expensive one) was only $79k, where are you finding this figure 40k higher?

>>16791542

>tfw she'll never fuck you with a strapon while calling you a naughty boy

>>16782168
>that bumper
>those lights in the tailgate

HSV rear end is so fucking ugly

>>16792703
>>16792689
He's just so irrationally bias that he seems to actually believe the tripe he makes up to justify his prejudice, even though he admits he doesn't really know what he's talking about when someone calls him on it.
Shame he comes across as being so ignorant, as he seems to document some nice cars he claims are in his possession.