Remember when BMWs were actually the ultimate driving machines?

no because Porsche existed back then too.

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>>16770222
No because toyota existed back then too

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they still are
well some of them
>tfw the last brand on earth to still produce i6+manual+rwd cars

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it looked weird to me at first
now i've seen it IRL and i want one so badly

>>16770259
>>16770268
nah, those are track-going road cars
the E30 was a road-going track car, it was Viper tier mentality

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>>16770287
>FCA cucks BMW... again!

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>slower than a GT86 = slower than an anon's civic
BMW a shit, always

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>>16770222
I'm an actual Bavarian and your American advertising slogans mean nothing to me - it's "The Joy of Driving" and it has been since forever.

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>>16770259
The other M cars are okay, it's just that the M2 was just really, really good.

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>>16770304
freude am fahren motherfucker

>>16770304
Freude am Fahren right?

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>>16770328
jah jah mit bratwurst und saurkraut

>>16770304
>joy of driving
>the F80 steering is objectively less pleasurable and engaging than the E30 M3's

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>>16770222
REPLACED

>>16770325
is that hitler's residency

>>16770369
jah
kartoffelsalat mit speck

>>16770287
tell me more about how my buddy automatic 325i convertible e30 is so much like a viper

>>16770598
I was talking about the E30 M3, it's obvious from the context you autist

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>>16770222
<- Sums it all up.

>>16770291
>kek alfashills at it again, masturbate some more you itaka

>>16770358
>>16770291
>alfacucks detected

>>16770912
>the viper is an alfa
the more you know

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>>16770922
see >>16770935

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>>16770935
>>16770945
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

>>16770922
>it's a bmwcucks project their cuckoldry on alfistas episode
last time I checked Alfistas don't buy anything just because it has an Alfa badge on it

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>>16770967
That's an 8C, this is a Viper.

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>>16770996
>those meaty rear tires
Dick status: muh

This thread has convinced me that BMW purists and Alfa shills deserve each other

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>>16771020
>he is a badge whore
>he drives an active tourer

>>16770602
>hopped up economy car
>like a viper
yep, bmwfangirls are straight retarded

>>16771060
It was a lot more than just a "hopped up economy car"
BTW
>BMW
>economy car
top kek

and also the Viper has pushrods

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>>16771060
>economy car
As opposed to this?

>>16771075
>It was a lot more than just a "hopped up economy car"
Whats so different between it and a normal 3 series? Cant you interchange most parts between a 318is and a m3?
Its a fucking hopped up economy car. Viper was built as a performance car from the ground up. Deal with it.

>4cyl vs fucking v10
btw, e30 m3 has never ever won its class at le mans. vie[pr has multiple times :^))

>trying to compare a fucking economy car to an all out performance car
lmao bmw fangirls

>>16770622
Album itself was shit, cover was nice though.

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>tfw I still own an techno violet e34 M5

Its only the 3.6 because burgeredition

>>16771082
driver oriented cockpit
racers dont care about interior materials or fit and finish

retarded bwmcuck thinks interior has anything to do with the type of car it is?
lmao,. m3 has exact same interior as a 318i

>>16771098
You can interchange most viper parts with a fucking truck, fuck off
also when was the 3 series an economy car? are you fucked in the head?

>>16771102
REEEEEEEEE
[envy intensifies]

>itt: autists argue that compact executive cars are econoboxes like the geo metro or the civic hf

>>16770244
>fwd
the only thing such a machine can be ultimate at is at cucking
yeah, that's what toyotas are, the ultimate cuck machines

>>16771098
>what parts can you interchange between 318i and m3
pretty much none aside from some interior bits
>lemans wins
>3 series
>in lemans
lmao is this nigger serious

>>16771145
>the only thing such a machine can be ultimate at is at cucking
Yes, it cucked BMW

>>16771113
>You can interchange most viper parts with a fucking truck, fuck off
Oh yeah? Huur you can exchange the waterpump and some accessories with another v10 powered dodge
Thats not most parts. Just a few engine bits...

Meanwhile literally everything between the hopped up economy car m3 and the basic bitch tier economy car 318i is interchangeable.

>how is a 4 cylinder an economy car?
nigga really asking this question, LMAO

oh wait,
>b-b-but its a bmw! it can never ever be an economy car because that would go against what the ads say!!!

>>16771147
more than the e30 has :^)

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>>16770304
>BMW not even the ultimate driving machine in their home market

How come BMW sucks so bad now???

>>16771162
>BMW not even the ultimate driving machine in their home market
Because 911 exists :^)

>>16771154
>Just a few engine bits...
it's far from "just a few" and engine parts are the ones that matter the most
>Meanwhile literally everything between the hopped up economy car m3 and the basic bitch tier economy car 318i is interchangeable.
that's where you're wrong kiddo
>muh cylinders
it's a performance car, the only reason it packs 4 cyls is because it could be made faster than the 6 cyl engines
>b-b-but its a bmw! it can never ever be an economy car because that would go against what the ads say!!!
it's not about the ads, it's about where it's placed in the market. Go autistically screech somewhere else.
>>16771162
kek

>>16771154
M3/3 series was never ever meant to compete in lemans
the E30 did compete in touring car championships where it was very successful, in fact the e30 is the most successful road racing car ever produced ;^)
btw the M3 is not an economy car, it's a sports saloon
a 318 is a compact luxury saloon

>>16771173
>Because 911 exists :^)
That's not the Ruf CTR3

>>16771123
They're pretty cheap nowadays if you can find one (good luck lol). Daytona Violet and Techno Violet are like finding needles in hay stacks.

>>16771179
>thats where youre wrong kiddo
get a load of this guy, BMW cucks get fucked by large displacement "truck" engines.
you lose no matter what faggot yuropoors

The Claus Luthe era. Just about every car he had an influence on is a collectible moving forward as far as I am concerned. E30, e31, e34, e36, e39. Real driver cars with good handling characteristics and abilities, priced comparatively well against other makes and models in their market.

I think comparing a Viper to a pedestrian e30 is errant. With that said, I can buy a clean e30 two door with manual and an aftermarket turbo that will blow the doors off that Viper in just about every metric for about a quarter of what that Viper will cost. BMW engines offer a stout well built motor that allow for massive additional horsepower mods with little rebuilding or parts substitution. Engine/transmission swapping is modular, plug and play, almost as easy as a Chevy, and the options are vast. Hartge shoved a V12 in an e34 and actually made it look like it belonged there. For this reason it is the hobbyists favourite 'euro' brand by far.

>>16771179
>it's a performance car
4 cylinder bmw.. LMAO
so delusional

but i need a laugh again, so say one more time that a fucking 4 cylnider bmw is like a viper! KEK

>>16771371
>With that said, I can buy a clean e30 two door with manual and an aftermarket turbo that will blow the doors off that Viper in just about every metric for about a quarter of what that Viper will cost
No you cant. Considering a a 1st gen gts is 20k-30k, and you can pick up a 3rd gen srt10 for less than 40k

>>16771337
Thanks for the encouragement and nice l33t digits, but I live in a third world country and I'm a jobless college student lol
Any E34 is at least 13k here and M5s are unheard of

>>16771384
You should be able to put together a good turbo e30 for under $10 k. That would be a quarter of the price you are quoting. You can buy a clean turbo e30 on revsunlimited right now for $10 k.

http://www.myvideo.ge/v/1762418

http://kamotorsperformance.com/kamotors-canyon-crusher-v2-t4-turbo-kit/

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=375023

He'll probably take less....

>>16771372
It was an homologation special for Group A, a literal road-legal race car you humongous faggot

>>16771433
>You should be able to put together a good turbo e30 for under $10 k
cool, will it put down 11 second quarter miles and go over 300kph though?

>>16771467
still a hopped up 318i economy car

>>16771179
>it's far from "just a few" and engine parts are the ones that matter the most
So the important stuff like the block, heads, cam, intake and exhaust manifolds that are unique to the Viper don't matter, but accessories do? Gotcha. The M3 has a M10 block with an M88 head, but somehow that's more special than the Vipers engine being co-developed with Lamborghini and cast in a different material than the one it was based on.

>that's where you're wrong kiddo
No, he's not. M3 suspension parts, brakes and all other mechanical, cosmetic and interior parts can bolt right in to a base 3 series. The point he's making is the Viper doesn't share chassis or suspension pieces with other Chrysler products.

>it's a performance car, the only reason it packs 4 cyls is because it could be made faster than the 6 cyl engines
Or because it was a homologation edition and needed to comply to the rules of the series it ran in. Other E30s had an I6. Also, even BMW made faster cars than the E30 M3. It's not like it was some super fast car in it's day.

>it's not about the ads, it's about where it's placed in the market. Go autistically screech somewhere else
3 series are "entry level luxury" in America, in germany a 4cyl 3 series is the equivalent of a Civic.

>>16771186
>in fact the e30 is the most successful road racing car ever produced ;^)

Laughing911s.jpg

>>16771492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPdJ99JRtt8

I think you want a little heavier platform for 300 km/hr. There I would recommend the 850csi, or the Alpina B10. Both have been known to hit near 200 mile an hour with just a little bit of tweaking.

>>16771497
M3 had an s14. And those m10's are nothing to sneeze at, BMW motorsport built those up to 1000 hp for use in their F1 racing program.

>>16771372
Why do insecure FCA cucks always get so overly defensive whenever an FCA product is mentioned?

>>16771538
stop projecting bmw cuck

alfa>bmw
stay btfo

>>16771497
>can bolt right in to a base 3 series
You can also use Viper parts to upgrade a Ram truck, what's your point?

>>16771526
>M3 had an s14.

No shit? It's a M10 based block with a M88 based head. And I never said they can't be built up. You're arguing the wrong points stupid.

>>16771549
I agree with this but it has nothing to do with the Viper vs M3 discussion

>>16771497
The M3 mechanical bits do not bolt on to the standard 3 series, educate yourself.
Also the M3 indeed is the most successful road racing car and it is more successful than the 911 (1436 victories in 1638 days), again educate yourself.

>>16771549
alfas are unreliable fwd shitheaps though
and the best alfa currently is an overweight pigfat ugly autotragic v6 sedan
pretty sad tb h

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>factory riced econobox
>Ultimate Driving Machine
I'll pass

>>16771570
It's leaner than the M3 and the C63, it's faster, it's available as manual if you're a cuck who doesn't like being faster, and its V6 is a god tier engine that's basically a Ferrari F154 with two cylinders removed. Keep projecting though.

>>16771563
>Also the M3 indeed is the most successful road racing car and it is more successful than the 911 (1436 victories in 1638 days),
kek i was waiting for a bmwfangirl to bring up the e30s 'success' racing against front wheel drive econoboxes

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>>16771574
>US spec

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>>16771579
>faster
only on a straight line
the giulia struggles to catch the 430 hp on track despite having 80 hp more
same with the c63

>>16771585
fwd has the upper hand in rally retard, educate yourself

>>16771590
>Nürburgring is a straight line
topkek

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>>16771586
That's a Euro car, the US bumpers are monstrous and the front indicators look like elephant ears

>>16771605
those bumpers are euro? wtf I hate europe now

>>16771563
>The entire m3 suspension can be bolted directly to your e30, no modification

https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1352938-e30-M3-suspension-on-e30-325i

Educate yourself, faggot.

Also, citation on your claim.

>>16771585
it was competeing with much more powerful rwd/awd cars such as the sierra rs cosworth, nissan gtr, alfa 75 turbo, maserati biturbo, audi 300 quattro, holden commodore
There is a good reason the price for E30 M3's has skyrocketed and it's not some meme movie like fast and furious

>>16771609
some suspension bits fit, most of the stuff requires welding. That is not exaclty a "bolt on"

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>>16771608
I bought later 628csi bumpers because they have the smallest valence, the 633 and 635 had big valences from 83 to 89, the earlier cars had nicer front bumpers but the big brick rear bumper instead of the thin wraparound.

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>>16771628
the later eu models have the best bumper imo.

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>Remember when BMWs were actually the ultimate driving machines?

No

>>16771628
thats a cool car

>>16771634
that one looks god tier
>>16771628
I like that car, feels like it's an open wheel devil's machine with a body put on it to tame it

>>16771593
>road racing
>rally
lmao

>>16771610
>sierra rs cosworth, nissan gtr, audi 300 quattro
lost championships to all those cars. heck it even lost to vl commodores in quite few races LMAO

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>>16771628
yeah they look good with the small bumpers
do you own one?

>>16771649
>group A
>not rally
Also rally takes place on roads, on dirt roads. Educate yourself faggot.

>>16771649

BMWfags on suicide watch

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>>16771634
I like that look as well, but the 628 euro bumpers just make it look even more shark like. If I was going to go for a more performance oriented build I would use the bumpers in your pic or the B7 Turbo valence (which mounts to my 628 bumper)

>>16771649
it did win against the audi 300 and nissan gtr though

>>16771593
>rally retard
truly the sport of cucks

>>16771610
Pro tip: Everything BMW from that era is skyrocketing. Try and find a low mile 10 k e31. Same with M5, and 540 manual e34's. Even M3 e36's are moving. People will lament the bottom in pricing back in 2009 when you could buy an 850csi for $25k. Good lightweight, easy to mod, decently powered cars. Collectibles even.

>>16771662
Are those xenon projectors? Wow

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>>16771652
Yep I have an 83 633, just got started on it the euro bumpers are still in the back of my truck

>>16771667
I'm the guy who you replied to but thanks for the keks

>>16770268
I still hate the lower half of the front bumper. Someone with the know-how could make a killing selling fiberglass bodykits for de-ricing it.

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>>16771665
>it did win against the audi 300 and nissan gtr though
did not win a single championship against either of these cars
a few races out of the season because of luck, nothing else
come 1993 it was being DESTROYED by eb falcons

>>16770358

What? your timing belt? for the third time this month, I assume?

>>16771636

For some of us, driving involves carrying passengers and cargo and driving over speedbumps you autist.

>>16771691
It remains the winningest vehicle in all of sports car racing. Its nickname is the not even remotely subtle "God's Chariot."

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/25-greatest-drivers-cars/

Did you vote for Hillary?

>>16771727
>It remains the winningest vehicle in all of sports car racing
from racing against shitty 4 cylinder front wheel drive econoboxes
its hardly an achievement

>Did you vote for Hillary?
the fuck does this have to do with anything retarded bmwcuck

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>>16771714
>he bought a M3 to carry passengers and cargo over speedbumps

>>16771744
Because you are still sour from losing the election. Look, I don't think anybody can call themselves a 'car guy' and hate on an e30. Your level of hatred is almost fanatical, like you have a vagina and ovaries or something.

>>16770303
But is an FT-86 as fun as an E30 M3?

>>16771762
>Because you are still sour from losing the election
not a hilary supporter. try again retard. its obvious how desperate you are now

keep damage controlling through because i shattered your narrative of a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder bmw being "dodge viper tier"

>Look, I don't think anybody can call themselves a 'car guy' and hate on an e30
i can like whatever cars i want, i can dislike whatever cars i want. because im an actual car enthusiast and not some mouth breathing retard who worships whatever is listed in retarded jalponik/carthrottle/etc "best cars of all time xDD" articles that were written by retards like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M34f1-A_NFA

anything else?

>>16771799
I'm the one who brought up the Viper, not that guy. And I said it was Viper-tier MENTALITY. The idea of making a street legal race car. I never said the two cars were comparable or anything.

>>16771806
>And I said it was Viper-tier MENTALITY
difference being the viper was built from the ground up and the m3 is just hopped up economy sedan with two doors sealed off

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>>16771810
>difference being the viper was built from the ground up and the m3 is just hopped up economy sedan with two doors sealed off
You mean the sports sedan made with a Viper-tier mentality is actually the Giulia Quadrifoglio? Imagine my shock.

>>16771823
>sports sedan
>'viper tier mentality'
viper is no compromise vehicle. a sports sedan is full on cuck tier compromise

bmw fangirls literally this retarded

>>16771810
the economy sedan was "built from the ground up" though
the m3 was a heavily modified version of it
kinda like an acr viper

>>16771799
I'm sorry anon but if you can't appreciate the E30 you are not a "car enthusiast" but an absolute moron
I dislike BMW in general but I still acknowledge the E30 M3 for what it achieved
As some anon stated earlier, the market speaks for itself and there is a reason the E30 M3 price has skyrocketed, you're deluded if you fail to see that.

>>16771845
>modified economy sedan
>viper tier
yeah no

>>16771876
>I'm sorry anon but if you can't appreciate the E30 you are not a "car enthusiast"
go back to jalponik. i can like whatever i want and dislike whatever i want becasue im not a bandwagonning faggot that worships meme cars

>the market speaks for itself and there is a reason the E30 M3 price has skyrocketed
its risen along side jalopnik/carthrottle meme articles and top gear features :^)
value doesnt reflect anything other than how much people are willing to pay for it... you are the delusional one using market value as proof the car is the greatest thing ever made or something. like how retarded can you be

>>16771841
>Giulia
>BMW
kek
Also the Quadrifoglio is the basis for the rest of the Giulia variants. I guess it's superior to the Viper in that sense, since the Viper ACR is just a souped up Viper.

>>16771930
Not him but my obsession with E30s and E34s predates the existence of Jalopnik. I've always loved E21s too but not as fiercely as those two.

>>16770222
I remember when M actually meant Motorsport, that's as close as I can get.

>>16771930
You are worse than the carthrtottle/jalopshit fags.
You are a literal autist, an edgy teenager who probably is too young to even drive.
I bet you dislike other widely acclaimed classics such as the McLaren F1 too (because LOL SHIT BMW ENGINE xD)
>I am smarter than the market
Lmao sure kiddo
Over protective FCA cuck do you even read your own posts?

>>16770303
take it back

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>>16772094
>FCA cuck
That guy isn't an FCA fan, he's a BMW hater
t. FCA fan who engages in giuliaposting every time he comes to /o/ and who shits on the F80 every time he has an opportunity

The E30 is godly

>>16771020
Or perhaps we're often the same person

t. BMW purist alfista

>>16770222
I'd rather take a 960 T6, no offense.

>>16770303
No way this is accurate. A 30 year old box with no safety features is heavier than a brand new sports car??

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>>16774806
Heavy metal.

Steel is your friend. x

>>16770222
I thought it is more that they got by on selling shit boxes with somewhat decent handling

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>>16770303
Lmao

>>16771110
>m3 has exact same interior as a 318i
Yeah and it's great in both cases, unlike your americlap plastic garbage.

>>16770259
>still are
With all honesty, I don't know how good F32 M3 is, but E92 M3 ride sucks ass, especially on less than ideal roads. Maybe it's those 19" runflats, but I prefer the way my old and trusty RSX Type-S handles (yes, there's no engine in there, and it's a FWD, but that suspension _handles_ better).

5 series handles better, but that's a totally different ballgame.

>>16770304
Yeah, but it's unfair to compare the best ever E39 M5 with modern BMW shitboxes :) I'm with you, brother.

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>>16770222
I do, I do

>>16772094
A lot of projecting in this post coming from a jalponik browsing e30 memer

Mclaren f1 is a great car
Thats actually viper tier, not a hopped up 4 cylinder econobox ;^)

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>>16778415
>he actually thinks the McLaren F1 is Viper tier
rotflmao fca fangirls are fucking delusional

>mfw

>>16770358
>no stick
fuq u alfa

>>16778444
as if the tiptopkektronic is any better
the stick is irrelevant, what matters is the clutch pedal

>>16778439
Performance above all else.
Or is viper mentality mean something different now that you've been btfo a dozen times itt?

>>16778465
>what matters is the clutch pedal
If you are shit driver who would rather submit to focusing on the menial task of changing gears rather than pushing a car to its very limits... sure

>>16778492
It's not about focusing, it's about control, retard. If you'd rather have a machine actuate the clutch than yourself you might as well have a nigger fuck your wife instead of doing it yourself, cuck.

So, the M2 is the only modern BMW that it's worth buying?

>>16778523
Nice to see the shit driver has now resorted to projecting his sexual fantasies

Do you also push start cars bevause that's akin to letting your wife be fucked by another man? Top kek manualcucks are so delusional

>>16770222
Before vanos. Everything after vanos is trash.

>>16778527
there is no modern bmw worth buying

>>16778574
Is there any reliable modern BMW?

>>16771154
The E30 M3 has a completely different body than the regular models.
Very few parts are interchangeable without a lot of fabrication

>>16778527
>modern BMW
>worth buying

>>16778473
Saying that the Viper is comparable to the F1 is like saying a Casio is comparable to a Rolex

>>16770912
>>16770922
If you're not driving an Alfa, you're driving a beta.

>tfw my car is in the shop (clutch felt gritty, still under 100% warranty so fuck you, Ford
>driving my dad's deceased fiance's 2009 BMW 135
>thing is faster than my car, easily
Fug. He'd probably just give it to me or sell it at a huge discount to me if I wanted it. It would maybe be silly having two cars considering I'm paying one off at $350 a month over four years, but this car is fast and the clutch is a lot more forgiving.

>>16778635
If the Casio keeps time better than a Rolex then it's true.

>>16770222
>take my parent's audi q7 for a drive because i needed parts to get my dd back on the road
>try to do a skid in an empty parking lot because it's snowing
>car does not want to slide and finally honks at me from inside the cabin

why are germans so boring?

>>16779071
those N54 engined cars will scoot.

>>16771186
Well the economy e30 was the 325e I'm pretty sure

>>16780162
maybe you should learn to disable nannies

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>>16780220
thankfully i found out how to do it on my dd. that's actually the reason it broke down. i smashed the drive shaft coupler when drifting

>>16780297
Should have upgraded that before hooning

>>16771099

lmao wrong

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>>16771145
>thinks oversteer makes a car inherently better
>uses 'cuck' twice in one sentence

>>16782198
>thinks the only benefit of RWD is oversteer

>>16782207
Alright, what make RWD better for you?

>>16782216
Weight balance, packaging that allows for a better suspension, stronger inherent design, etc

>>16782225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gkJ0oRCcmI

There's a technoviolet e36 m3 for nale near me, should i dd it?

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>>16782562

>>16782641
>e36
Nope. Go E30 or go home.

>>16770503
Hitler preferred the Berghof.

>>16780199
Right? God damn

>>16777003
>he thinks his shitbox rsx handles better than a m3 because runflats ride rough

There's a reason everyone ditches the runflats immediately you delusional benchracer

>>16782665
this is high quality bait m8

>>16782645
Bmw btfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMcN6SQrtcw

>>16782665
I would but there's no e30s for sale over here. I'm considering an e46 too

>>16770222
They still are, poorfag.

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>>16782827
Get a corolla or civic or cobalt. They are faster

>>16782834
But muh german engineering

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>>16782850
Ew

>>16782834
fwd is for cucks who cant handle real mans drive (rwd)

>>16782880
Rwd is for cucks who need to be able to make corrections with their right foot only because throttle braking is such an outlandish concept to you

>>16782936
Dagumi is not a cuck though
you cant drift FWD cars and fwd burnouts look ridiculous
FWD drivers are literally cucked by their drivetrains every single day

>>16782950
>you can't drift fwd
You can't!
Anyone who can drive worth half a shit and understands the basics of weight transfer can

Sorry not sorry you are a shit driver
Stay btfo

>>16782974
you should learn the definition of ''drifting''
fwd ''drifting'' is not drifting but a pathetic cuck attempt to look cool in their civic shitboxes

>>16783052
>shifting goalposts
Stay mad, cuck

>>16783052
>oversteer is not drifting
Stop saying cuck btw
We get it, you like to see women dicked by bbc. Stop telling us about it

I'm 100% positive it's the same sperglord that always posts the same pics trying to defend his fwd shitbox

>>16783108
>projection: the post
Nice

>>16783123
Yeah fag keep defending your parents car. No one makes their halo cars fwd

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>>16783138
Audi, kek

>>16783138
>m-muh halo car
How many halo cars do you own again? Zero. I own 3

Remember when cars didn't have to be designed with pedestrian safety in mind? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>16783161
Audi's halo is the r8 .. and the a8 is only fwd in eurocuck and that's the base model you cherry picking nerd
>>16783162
Not an argument

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>>16783188
>FWD-based AWD
kek, you're not helping your case
enjoy your fucked up weight balance, cuck

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>>16783188

>>16783105
oversteer actually is not drifting
>>16783108
it's just a troll

>>16783188
Halo, flagship, big difference
fuck off

>>16771563
Bugatti Type 35 would like a word with that M3

>>16786144
You can't have a word with the M3 when all you can see are its tailights

>>16786207
>comparing a 1990 car to a 1924 car

KRAUTS ON SUICIDE WATCH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSUr3NOLCxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ZpYn3TvHc

>>16771617
>Most of it requires welding

The only welding they mentioned is the sway bar link tabs. Any Joe can arc weld the tabs in place if necessary. Just look at all the rednecks relocating rear shock tabs to give their 1500s a cleaner look.

I do, and thus I fell for the E90 meme. It was nice for like 5 years then
>radio breaks, can't be fixed, shop has no idea what happened
>interiors start to peel and fell gross as fuck to the touch
>timing chain snaps, whole engine replaced
>new engine plastic tubes crack after 3 years, replaced
So far it cost me almost 30% of its original price in repairs

>>16770303
>>16770314
is that some site co compare track times?

>>16787309
Don't act like we didn't warn you for that.
Deep down in our hearts we all know BMW makes the ultimate driving machines, we just know they suck in the long term.

>>16787413
fastestlaps.com

>>16787437
Found the nu-BMW fangirl.
No, they don't make the ultimate driving machines anymore. And no, proper BMWs don't suck in the long term.

>>16788159
>don't make driving machines
M2 and M4 GTS would like to have a word with you

>>16788164
>M4 GTS
>undrivable POS that retails for a higher price than a Viper ACR and isn't nearly as fast

>>16788435
Should have said, isn't nearly as fast or as cool looking and stylish

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>mfw daily e92 m3
>mfw this thread full of some samefagging fwd nigger

I'm also like 90% sure you're a yuropoor serf cuck

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>>16788458

>>16788548
ayyy lmao

>>16771662
that really is a beautiful car

>>16788435
so unpracticaility makes a bad drivers car?
wow such a hypocrite

>>16789217
>the ACR is practical
top kek
Trailer queens aren't driver's cars

>>16789372
>>16788435
so the M4 GTS is a bad drivers car because it sucks for daily driving? What the fuck am I reading

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>>16789401
It doesn't just suck for DDing. It sucks at the track too. And no, cars that require special conditions to drive them aren't driver's cars.

>>16789787
>It sucks at the track too
according to who? some bong hack who got fired from the BBC and is now doing a show for amazon?

>>16778579
No. They are literally engineered to break and cost tons. And the owners (rich businessman mostly) are OK with that. Even the used ones by now are very costly to maintain and own.

>>16790238
>Clarkson
>hack
It's also funny how you're so assmad that you refuse to name him lol, you're like shillary when she called Alex Jones "the texan".

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Was the 8 series good?

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>>16791007
of coursh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pbzUBg_AjY

>>16791007
In my country a 1991 850i with 180k kilometers is worth 42.5k USD as of today, I'll let yourself figure out if it's good.

>>16791227
In my country I walked away from a running 850i after negotiating it down to $1500. They are cool cars but their value vs. cost to run make them almost worthless. You can get a super clean one for $8k. Not sure what's going on where you live, super strict vehicle inspections that won't pass them with a warning light on?

>>16791007
The 840i was Heavier and slower than its predecessor the 635i, and came in only auto here in the states.

The only thing it really has going for it is that its sexy as fuck and has no b pillars.

>>16791389
you mean C pillars?

>>16791460
Pretty sure he meant B pillar, seeing as the E24 has them and the E31 doesn't. Can you give an example of a hardtop car without a C pillar?

>>16782974
dragging the back half of the car =/= drifting.

>>16791501
My bad, I thought the last pillar was called B pillar in those cases

>>16782814
bro thats a toyota and a civic...

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>>16792162

rwd dick riders in here act just like apple users kek

>>16792162
That LAP a bmw.
Yup. Bmw a shit

>>16782950
>DD FF car
>cant steer and apply power when its raining
>cant brake and steer because the front end is so fucking heavy
>modern v6 FWD needs to be wrestled to accelerate in a straight line

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>>16791007
>tfw my local shop will swap any engine into it for $7000

>>16792333
stay mad fwdcuck
maybe some day you'll grow up and be able to drive a real mans car

>>16792568
>swapping out that glorious V12
only a cuck would engage in such heresy

>>16770222

no?

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>>16792775
>not swapping out the anemic V8 for a glorious Viper V10

>>16782705
>>16777003
It's probably because the dc5 integra has probably the best steering feel of any car ever made, second only to the objectively best dc2 type r. An e92 with power to the rear and electric steering will never compete in that regard. I think that's probably what he means

>>16793089
>hondashit
>best steering feel
christ, delusional japfags
the e92 has no electric steering by the way

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>>16793089
There only place for one best handling fwd and it's the renault sport clio 197, stop being a weeb and kneel before the honda slayer.

>>16791196
hhhhnnggg. This video just gave me all the feels. Those graphs, atmospheric dust; oh lawd.

>>16793089
e92 has hydraulic power steering you benchracing cuck

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>>16794406
>dust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpRUKLKCY-w

>>16782216
FWD inherently limits use of power particularly through cornering because it overloads the front tires that already have to deal with steering and braking. It also reduces grip under acceleration due to pitching and front end lift, while a rwd car actually grips harder when it's under heavy acceleration.

This is why pretty much consumer any fwd car cannot make use of more than ~200bhp.

>>16795031
Also drifting.

what happened to /bmwg/?

>>16795965
Alfa Romeo BTFO BMW so they ragequit

>>16770222
No. They have always been overrated.

>>16770358
this car omg ;)

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>>16796864
I see that the picture has had an effect on you

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kys italishills ITT
>>16770222
BMW never stopped being the ultimate driving machine you humongous cuckold

>>16770303
It also weighs close to 200kg more, that's a pretty big fucking difference, yet the gt86 is barely faster than it, and it's nearly 30 years newer.

>>16774869
how does the M3 take longer to get to 60mph (96.5km/h) than it does to get to 100km/h?

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>>16798555
>butthurt BMW badge whore
>criticizes italianbros
>posts a M3 with a modded wing made to look like the one in the Giulia
LOL@U m8

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>>16800841
Modded wing and diffuser. Might as well do this tbqh.

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>>16801074
Ayy

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>>16801074
>that ///M badge in Italian colors
The devil is in the details

>>16782225
None of that is even true. Rally cars are fwd, and I think you'll find they have a 'strong inherent design'.

I hate when people start lying to justify their preferences.

>>16803527
>he doesn't know rally cars break all the time
lol
they're only fwd because understeer is desirable in those conditions

>>16803527
Rally cars are stronk because they're rally cars, not because they're FWD (which BTW, most aren't, as AWD has taken over). They are strong DESPITE their layout, not thanks to it. Also rally cars aren't representative of what you see on the streets because they have extensive modifications.

>>16803527
>I hate when people start lying to justify their preferences.
like how a hyundai owner posts pictures of the wrc i20 when people say its a shit tier fwd econobox? lmao retard

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>>16803527
I think equinox has experience with those, kek

>>16803527
lol no
here in north europe where there's folk rallies all the time cheap RWD cars are king.

>>16782216
because in ff car the front wheels have to grip, steer and deliver the power while rear wheels are just tagging along.
You have a limit of 250-320bhp depending on design before torque steer becomes unbearable
In fr/mr/rr you have front wheels just for steering which is allready a task that takes up all the grip it has while rear wheels deliver the power meaning neither have to pull double duty.
FF is jack of all trades master of none.
Besides weight shifting means under accelaration in rwd cars the weight is on rear helping car have more grip meaning faster corner exit while when breaking weight will be on front wheels that can use all their grip on getting the car around the corner meaning faster corner entry.
Also oversteer is more fun and actually useful as opposed to understeer

face it FF while sometimes faster than rwd like ice and rally, is just a cost and space saving measure employed by auto makers, it is sub optimal for enthusiast or performance use unless in very specific cases.

>>16783105
if oversteer was drifting it would be called drifting not oversteer.
Understeer is fucking useless anyway.
My car tends to understeer.
Guess what I fucking do as soon as it starts to?
I transfer it to oversteer because that is at least controllable

>>16770358
Every Alpha driver is some nu-male wannabe fuck. Just no.

>>16798555
> the engine is literally made out of paper thin aluminium
> all the components in the engine bay are made from plastic
> everything in the bay is designed to fail as soon as possible

I mean, yeah, if you can afford a new BMW M3 every 2-3 years, it's a fantastic car.
Warranty keeps it running (you still have to pay for a fuckhuge hourly price tho), and that's it.
Now the problem is, not everyone - even the higher class - has money to buy a 100,000$ car 2-3 years.

And that's a cheaper model, there is the M5, X M5, and so on.

>>16803458
I don't think many BMW fanboys would notice.

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>>16801074
>>16800841

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>>16805222
>projecting

>>16805224
>Now the problem is, not everyone - even the higher class - has money to buy a 100,000$ car 2-3 years.
>buy
You're supposed to lease them, that's why they're disposable. They cater to the leasing market.

>>16805919
BMW drivers are BMW drivers, nothing new about that.
I was talking about Alfa.

>>16805922
Leasing a simple 3 series or something looks okay-ish, but an M model?
I don't think any legit business can even lease them. Even a 5-year open-ended lease would cost a fuckton...

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>>16771099
>album itself was shit

>>16805938
Don't individuals lease stuff in the US?

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>>16805936
Nah, you were projecting your inadequacies on Alfa owners

>>16778635
>Casio
>does the same thing for the fraction of the price of a Rolex

>but muh fashion item, muh exclusivity, muh class mufugga

>>16782225
>Weight balance
>packaging that allows for a better suspension

Its like Hondas don`t exist. Not even a fanboy

>long ass driveshaft going from the front to back
>stronger inherent design

>>16806289
>does the same thing
but it doesn't
for most applications yes, but the rolex can do the stuff people buy a rolex for

>>16783052

Drifting is literally just a controlled slide by breaking traction on the rear end.

>>16806330
>rolex can do the stuff people buy a rolex for

such as?

A cheap phone can do more things.

>>16770303
>120 kilos lighter
>30 years newer
>only slightly faster
Typical of a gr86fag to have no self awareness so he btfo himself yet again lmao

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>>16806344
oh but it can't

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How bad the new M3 is?

>>16806381
>implying this has any practical use, unless you are scuba diver.

>>16806394
ATS-V wrecks its shit in terms of fun

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>>16806395
>he isn't a scuba diver

>>16806394
it's pretty good
it can outpace the new Giulia despite having 80 horsepower less.

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>muh ultimate driving muhsheen
>ever

BMW was always a bag of memes.

>>16806420
>it can outpace the new Giulia
>7:32

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>>16806428
>muh ultimate driving muhsheen
I read that in a PJW voice kek

>>16806435

He is kinda obnoxious, desu.

>>16806394
Pretty bad. Engine sounds like trash, steering is numb, is less powerful than other cars in the same category and price point, it's base price is a crock of shit because it doesn't come with ANYthing and options are stupid expensive

>>16806431
btfo
>>16806394
Get a Quadrifoglio and spare yourself the suffering bro, you'll smile every time you hear that Ferrari designed V6 roar

>>16806571
less powerful and ''numb steering'' yet still quicker than the 500+hp competition (Giulia, Merc C63)
also a base optioned M3 is better equipped than the base equipped Alfa Giulia

>>16770358
no thanks.

>>16806851
>all these lies
my sides are in orbit just by imagining someone believing that bullshit
if the M3 was so quick they'd test it at Nürburgring

>>16806851
>"... Now, at this point, I would normally use the word 'however' and start talking about the car's good points. However, I can't because I'm struggling to find any. The engine for instance has water-injection which sounds cool but it means that every third time you fill the car with fuel, you have to fill the water tank in the boot. I don't know but I'm not sure this is very high-tech."

Jeremy Clarkson on the M4 GTS

>>16782216
tires have a grip limit, using the same tires to accelerate and turn reduces the amount you can accelerate and turn at the same time.

>>16807551
>if the M3 was so quick they'd test it at Nürburgring
inb4 muh stipped out roll cage fitted m4 gts track car that is 'a 2 door m3'

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>>16807777
Checked. BMW fangirls won't recover, guaranteed.

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>>16807777

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>>16770227
Porsche a shit

>>16809550
>t. italishill

>>16782096
>should have known what will break before it does
You clearly don't have a licence

>>16810185
You clearly don't know your own car

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>>16806666
Nice quads!
Such a blessed thread

>>16806428
>car from 20+ years earlier
I want to see lap times proving that any mark 1 Shedscort is faster than an E30 M3

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>>16770222
>>16770244
>>16770622
>>16770922
>>16770988
>>16771099
>>16771433
>>16771744
>>16771777
>>16771799
>>16774833
>>16780199
>>16792333
>>16790311
>>16790911
>>16796477
>>16798555
>>16805255
>>16806666
>>16783188
>>16787266
Checkem

>>16810237
there's 300 posts

that's less dubs than expected

>>16810261
there's trips and quads there though, one of them being the OP itself

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>>16810237
praise kek

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Posting ultimate driving machine to let this thread die the death by one hundred and ten posts

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>>16810318
>318
heh, the digits have a fun way of telling us stuff

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>>16810318
>death by one hundred and ten posts
shit, meant to say by three hundred and ten

>>16810236

Who said I was comparing it to a E30 M3? It can beat a 2002 though. Even Datsuns pwned the 2002.

>>16810278
>RWB literally made a meme Borscht

>>16806181
the new BMW models are all fucked up.
the BMW 1 too, like what the fuck? Why would you even buy it?
like an overpriced shopping cart with nothing bmw about it.

>>16771189
thats not really a "car"

that's a limited production hypercar custom-built from the ground up using the Porsche template >>16771746
yeah because i imagine having kids in my ultimate driving machine fantasy, or going to the mall for any reason ever

>>16810402
>backpedaling

>>16811209
>that's a limited production hypercar custom-built from the ground up using the Porsche template
so what? This is about what's the ultimate driving machine. And it's the CTR3.

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>>16810575
>Why would you even buy it?
I hope this sheds some light into it