/pog/ - Porsche General

>>16766497
The pasta:

Want to get an early N/A watercooled 911/Boxster but are afraid of the infamous IMS issue? Well I'm gonna try to change your mind

>What is an IMS
The intermediate shaft has been present on Porsche flat 6 engines ever since the original air cooled 911 all the way up to the 9x7.1 generation 911s, Caymans, and Boxsters
It's used to indirectly drive the camshafts and is in charge of engine timing

>What goes wrong?
The IMS itself is perfectly fine, the problem was when Porsche switched to watercooled engines they needed a bearing on the flywheel side of the engine, and with their infinite wisdom they decided to use a sealed bearing with a lifetime grease
What happens over time to a small handful of these bearings is that the grease dries out and it fails, causing the IMS to throw the timing out of sync and grenade the entire engine in seconds
The bearing on the opposite side is lubricated by engine oil and has never been known to fail

>How often to these fail?
Engines from '97-'99 use a robust dual row bearing that has a failure rate of less than 1%, it's the engines made from '00-'04 that use a weak single row bearing that has a failure rate as high as 10%
But don't worry just yet, general consensus is that if the bearing in your car is faulty it would have failed before 40k miles
In addition the best way to keep it healthy is to actually drive your car like a Porsche should be driven; low mileage garage queens are more prone to failure

>How much would this cost me to repair?
If you have a higher mileage car I wouldn't worry too much, especially if your car has a dual row bearing
Fixes include:
>replacing the bearing with a new OEM part - $100
>IMS Guardian - $400
>replacing the bearing with an aftermarket ceramic bearing - $600
>removing the seal and adding a flange that directly feels engine oil to the bearing - $800
The last option is the only true way to fix the problem, but I personally don't feel any of this is necessary

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>Magnaflows on a Porsche
N-NANI!?

>>16766883
Post an audio clip

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$800 porsche anon

Really glad to see pog back.

The paint turned out really well. Getting close to finally finishing up

Haven't even touched my 944 na since picking it up . Have an engine sitting in my garage which i want to go over . Fuck having so many cars.

>>16768117
That looks pretty fucking sweet.

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=235057000

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=237425779

So /pog/ I've got the money saved up for a 996. I plan on not giving a shit about the service records book after buying and just maintain it via a trusted mechanic.
Any specifics I should look for in a PPI?

>>16769122
This seems like a good place to start:
http://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/414586-the-ultimate-preowned-996-buying-guide.html

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>>16766883
Just got a Kline inconel 625 exhaust for my car, someone near me on a forum I'm on has a lift, gonna do the install soon, hopefully next weekend.

>>16769122
Nah the proper PPI will tell you everything within reason that you want to know. It is money well spent.

>>16770611
What car? Looks like it would be for a 911

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>>16769288

>>16767769
When I finally get good recording equipment

>>16766883

Ayyyyyyyyy
that's awesome!

What magnaflows are those? If it sounds good, i might look into getting the same setup for my 986.

I haven't had the time to take my muffler off and see what's up.

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>>16771983
'03 turbo

>>16776221

(autotragic turbo guy?)

>>16776312
Nah that guy only posts from an underground garage, I think this is the guy that tracks his car

>finally in a financial position to purchase dream Porsche
>can't bring myself to do it

How does anyone spend ~$100k on a car? It feels so excessive

Any recommendations on an exhaust for NA 944? Right now my pick is the borla.

>>16776057
Got 2 of these exact models on Amazon for 60 Canadian pesos each
https://www.magnaflow.com/products?partNumber=12634

Cost $120 to weld them up including the reducers needed to fit, the 90 degree bends, and the custom hangars with rubber mounts

It actually sounds great now, instead of like an anemic vaccum like it used to, but at the same time it isn't obnoxiously loud either
One thing to note is that there is some very mild droning at 2500 rpm, but there's so little room down there it's not like you can fit a couple resonators

>>16776331
do it anon

worst case, you don't actually like it, do some cheap and basic mods and flip it for a profit.

>>16776331
That just means you're financially responsible. You could always go CPO or get an older model like a 997 Turbo or something

>>16776331
Give it a test drive and see if you fall in love.

>>16776331
Don't let your dreams be memes

Why has Porsche been so conservative with their design language? If you put a 2017 Porsche 911 next to a 1971 Porsche 911 the only real difference in appearance is that the 70s 911 looks downscaled.

I mean shit, I'd love to work at Porsche's design department. Me and a bunch of Krauts drinking and playing cards while die Ingeniueren are toying with turbos and dodging smog inspectors sounds like a blast. All we'd have to do is copy/paste last year's 3D model before der Chef swings by and pretend like we were arbeit macht frei-ing.

>>16776354
>https://www.magnaflow.com/products?partNumber=12634

would be great if you could post how it sounds anon

who cares if you record it with your phone, as long as you keep a distance the audio shouldnt distort.

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>>16776312

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>>16776419

hows that shifter?

have you driven 986/996's with the other stock shifter? I'm thinking of replacing my stock one with something rounder like yours.

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>>16776395
More effort and money can be put into engineering while other companies do shit like this

>>16776449
Porsche could at least alter it a little bit in a "natural" progression. It's an iconic yet stagnant design. There's no [spoiler]soul or passion[/spoiler] to it.

The GT-R had such a big leap in style it really made no sense. It looks agressive but in a killer microwave way.

>>16769104
this looks just like my uncle's house in the downriver area

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>>16776474
They did but autists, I mean purists bitched and whined that it didn't look like the old 911s

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>>16776446
I have no issues with it, though if it didn't come with the car I wouldn't spend the money on the carbon fiber trim. Shifter might not be too bad on its own.

The one I have looks more like the one on the left in your pic.

What's the gear ratio for a '99 986 Boxter differential? There's one at a local junkyard. Engine, tranny, and anything electric are already picked clean. I figured a Porsche would have a good rear end.

>>16776515
A 986 has a transaxle, so the diff/rear end and gearbox are the same unit.

Fun fact, non-S models use the 5-speed from a B5 Audi A4 or VW Passat. Good option for anyone who has a 986 with a busted gearbox and wants a cheap replacement.

>>16776532
I'll admit I haven't looked at it too hard. Can the diff/tranny/bellhousing be separated from each other (this is just for idle curiosity now)?

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>>16776964
It's all a single unit, you'd have to go with a torque tube setup like the 924/944/928 used for an FR layout.
It's also not that strong and only a 5-speed, the Boxster S used a "flipped" 996 6-speed which is much stronger.

Another strong alternative would be a 6-speed FWD VW/Audi transmission, found in some European B5 Passats and Audi A4s/A6s.
These use a longitudinal engine because they also have AWD variants, but the 2WD transmissions are pretty popular for mid-engined kit cars.

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>>16776404
>>16767769
Soon™

>>16776964
lol no, the input shaft and output shaft gears mesh all behind the differential, the output shaft basically sends the power back forward to the diff unlike other trannies that keep going in the same direction

>>16777115

>tfw second gear is a little fucked in my 986 S

i've had it pop out of gear a couple times, and i feel a clunk sometimes when i put it in 2nd.

:(

>>16777540
2nd gear is known to have shit synchros

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>>16777116
So I went on a drive with my chinkese action camera mounted to the tow hood using the motorbike handlebar mount since it was all I had and it was a great failure

Literally heard nothing but wind noise. It also looks like ass

>>16778224
tow hook*

>>16778224
What kind of camera? GoPros suck in the wind, I always mount them behind a windshield/screen depending on if on a bike or in my car.

You might be able to get a remote mic and put the camera where you want it, then run the mic somewhere out of the wind.

>>16778238
Lel it's some $40 no name piece of shit. I'd get a Yi 4k cam but it's like $350 Canuck bux

I think I might try mounting my DSLR inside the car and running an external mic like you suggested, probably with a wind guard

>>16778224
>tow hook
Seems sketchy

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speedyellow best yellow.

Do they still make the 911 Targa?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/altheachang/2012/03/25/porsche-recalls-911s-on-fire-risk/

>>16780995
Yes
https://youtu.be/6H7xSw7bEms

>>16777540
Change your fluid and see how bad it looks. If you can live with it for a while you then you can save up and take it to an Indy.

I assume the process for removing the gearbox is similar to the 911's, you can probably diy it and take the transmission to the shop to save $$. But it will turn into one of those "while you're in there" things and you may spend another $500 on a new clutch ;)

>>16782155
Removing the tranny in a Boxster is even easier than removing it in a 911

>>16781004
>>16781005
>>16781013
Yes you're very funny

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Moving out of the country at the end of the year and I have to leave my car behind. Going to be leaving it with my dad for a year and a half. After this exhaust and tune, think all my future part purchases are on official hold.

>>16782205
yeah kaitlyn jenner is hard to get to

>>16785584

that sucks, anon

whatever you do, don't sell your tarbo 996!

Where are you moving?
>any pog related plans in the new country?

>>16776331
Lease

>>16776395
That's one of the great things about Porsche m8...
Do you seriously want MUH SPORTY LINES ANGRY FACE HUGE GRILL design language?

If i buy a used 944 even in good condition is it still prudent to rebuild the engine?

>>16785591
caitlyn jenner has a GT3 RS

>>16781346
So nice. I think I like this model the most desu

>>16787544
It's a 30+ year old car so probably

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My grandpa has one of these guys, is a kit car although

>>16788029
Still neat, wouldn't mind a 550 Spyder kit car myself

>>16766497
Hey, I'm glad to see this thread.

I'm looking into getting into the automotive mechanic trade and learned that Porsche has its own certification program. I was wondering if any certified mechanics could tell me about it. I'd also like to know what the recommended route into the automotive mechanic industry is; my friends went to UTI and some are doing well, but I get extremely mixed responses about enrolling when looking around online.

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>>16788449
Your friends got UTIs? Sounds awful, hope they get better!

>>16788584
Every single time I ask.

>>16788623
That's all you deserve for asking for career advice on a mongolian smoke signal bulletin board.

Sort your shit out.

>>16788637
Fair enough.

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http://www.automotive-fleet.com/news/story/2015/11/porsche-recalls-macan-suvs-for-fire-risk.aspx

>22000 Macans


http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/porsche-recalls-2012-911-due-to-fire-risk/

>1232 Carreras

http://jalopnik.com/porsche-will-replace-the-engines-in-every-single-911-gt-1545737774

>785 GT3s

http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-recalls-13500-panameras-and-cayennes-for-fuel-tank-seal-issue/

>13500 Panameras

>>16788872
>cars no one owns here

>>16766883
porsche a shit

>>16789698
You're so cool

They just published the new GT3.
Amazing.
Im on phone to lazy but someone should post pics

>>16776492
As in Allen Park, Southgate, et.al.?

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2018 Porsche 991.2 GT3
500HP 4.0 & Manual option
starts at $144,650


>>16790258
I gotchu fham

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>>16790684
>>16790690
>>16790695
>>16790700
>>16790710
Yeah but can it deliver pizza?

I love the gt3 bodystyle. There was a base cayman with the gt3 bodykit. I was tempted

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>>16790832
>base cayman with GT3 bodykit

Pics? that genuinely sounds ugly.

>>16790853
Never took any pics, and it sold a few weeks afterwards.

>>16790684
>>16790690
>>16790695
>>16790700
>>16790710
>Proper Manual gearbox

Holy fuck I want one. Right now.

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>>16786668
Gonna leave my car and bikes with my dad, he rides and loves Porsches so I figure that is my best bet.

Going to Singapore, no plans for pogging over there, might buy a beater just to get around unless the train system is sufficient.

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>>16790726
I can fit a large pizza in my frunk at an angle.

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>>16792029
>implying I'm not hauling an extra large pizza
All that Mezger power and all for nought

Also recorded the Magnaflows using an external mic on my DSLR, video was just the foot well
Still not all that impressed with the recording, I need someone behind me recording to really capture how the new setup actually sounds
>>>/wsg/1578740

hey guys, can i get your thoughts on the 914/6?

>>16792131
Well the place I got from last was big pizza but it's this frunk >>16792022

Hard to tell for me as I am not familiar with how your car would normally sound. Can't wait to do my install this weekend, no more cats and inconel exhaust. Gonna have to set up my go pro near this short ass tunnel near me and blast through then grab my camera from some random mounting point.

>>16792166
Yeah our frunks should be the same, not wide enough for an extra large pizza, but a person can fit in there

>how your car would normally sound
lel it doesn't, the stock Boxster muffler is just that restrictive. Literally just valve train noise when the car is stock, sounded like an anemic vacuum

>>16792196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDvCBCUtiFU
996 w/ same exhaust but 200 cell cats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3KXxhz4OdM
That's a 997 but same exhaust w/ no cats.

>>16792241
>car alarm goes off
Nice

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>>16792258
hah yea that second one is awesome. I also like the old person walking by at the beginning, doesn't give a fuck.

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GT3 bumper y/n?

on 986's

This is exactly how it'd look on mine. I'd need bigger wheels.

>>16795054
Nah, that's a lot of money for a minor aesthetic mod

>>16795213
ayy you're back

>>16766497
i thought this was the pogo stick general and find all these cars in here. now i am out of places to talk about my favorite mode of transportation.

you're going to regret this.

>>16795054
You'd need the skirts as well, and for some reason they never seem to fit quite right on a 986.

>>16796095
Probably because the Boxster has a longer wheelbase than the 911

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I don't frequent this thread. I am a big Porsche fanatic though since I was young and went for a ride in a 930 turbo convertible my parents friend had.

Does anyone here think the 991.2 GT3 will be a very collectable car in the future?

This may very well be the last 911 to come with a N/A flat 6 and a manual transmission, the thought of that could send the speculators into a frenzy to buy these cars. GT4 syndrome all over again where the demand is so high and supply so low the used examples out price new MRSP

On the topic of appreciating Porsches, I will kill or sell my soul for a 964 turbo

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>>16795387

You're right i guess.

Plus i'd rather get it the factory aerokit 1 if i ever happen to find one.

and techart wheels

pic related.

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>>16797618

or rather tarmac wheels.

I'm a little bit of a stancefaggot.

just a bit.

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>>16797640

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jdmtyte yo

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>>16795914
Porsche ads are the best

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>>16797972
truly.

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more boxsters

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What does /pog/'s significant other think of your Porsche ?

>>16798933
>having a gf
>having extra weight in your car

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>>16798933

doesn't like that it's speed yellow :(

but i love muh speedyellow

>>16795392
Yup, buuut gotta do a tranny flush and got a screw in my front tire.

>>16798662
post more boxster with hardtops and aggressive stance

Wannabe /po/ here. What is best for a DD for a 25yo dude living alone with a 15 miles commute, grocery-getting, a bit of autobahn and mostly bavarian/alpine roads?
Thinking of:
>Cayman S 987 post 2009 or
>911 2/2S 997.2.
Pretty set on the Cayman because lol 30-40k€ instead of 50-60k€ but coming from a sedan I'm sceptical about not having at least a 2+2 for reasons. But on the other hand I find the 911 a bit plump when compared to the Cayman, mostly it seems to be too wide to enjoy some sporty driving on tight roads without having to care too much of where that wide ass is.
Whatcha think /pog/? If you own one of those, how did you choose it?

>>16799227

i would much rather have a 911 over a cayman

that fat ass is a bonus for me, so NICE

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>>16792029

>>16796447
Gonna be the 993 all over again

>muh air cooled 911
>993 Turbo isn't even air cooled but goes for more than a brand new Turbo

>>16798933
The main difference between my Porsche and my girlfriend is that my Porsche exists

>>16799227
Those back seats on a 911 are useless, unless you're ferrying a baby or 2 back there

>>16799514
Ayy

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>>16799204

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Best ride I have ever owned.

Took the Boxster out for a ride, everything runs fine after sitting for a year and a half, faint burning smell and all

>>16800676
hm that one looks like it has down syndrome. maybe its the camera angle.

>>16799511
I live in British Columbia, Canada. One of our local Porsche dealers around an hour out of Vancouver had a 993 Turbo with less than 60,000 kilometers, speed yellow with black interior, no stories no bullshit, 2 owner car sold to the dealer from someones personal collection.

Asking price $216,000 CAD. It sold fairly quick too, I was working for another dealer just down the street owned by the same group. I loved getting sent over there cause most the employees there were enthusiasts and were happy to take about Porsches.

>>16802866
What the actual fuck

>>16800723
>tfw I'm a jelly, bitter poorfag

Hey guys, I've got a 914-6 thatll need a bit of touching up and some maintenance. wanted to hear what you guys think of it

I can't get any pictures of it today, but it used to run on the track but that's all i know

Also i really don't know that much about porsches in general but hey i might be able to show you guys done of the progress later on

>>16808125
The 2.7l flat 6 in those are over bored 2.5l so stay on your toes

>>16808125
Cool

I think you would be /pog/ first 914 driver

>>16808433
Thanks I'll keep an eye out, i don't know what's up with the engine though, i assume it's either heavily worked on or changed out entirely

>>16808836
Yeah it was my father's old track car from the 70s, I'll fill you guys in with more stuff about it in a couple of days

Is a 944 worth it as babbys first porsche?

Would end up doing most of the work myself out of necessity, are parts hard to find/really expensive like I assume?

Is the car a complete money pit? I understand
>30 year old car
but will I be spending every weekend fixing shit so it will run again.

I'm not going to be like relying on this car but I would like to DD it short distances and if it breaks down I can just take the bus. I don't mind fixing problems as they come up either as long as I'm not going to be fixing head gaskets one week, replacing the clutch on the weekend then dropping in a new tranny next week.

>>16809146
also my q t asian gf says she wants me to be a feminist wat do?

>>16809146
Spend extra on a Boxster, they're more reliable

>>16809146
You have the right mindset. The parts are easy to find if you can wait for shipping, as no where has any porsche parts in stock (even dealers) for the 944

>>16809290
I like 80s cars better than I do late 90s and 00s. The porsche brand isn't that big of a deal to me as much as the era is, I owned an 87 190e and thought it was a cool car so I'm looking into getting another car from that era.

944s always were appealing to me but I was factoring in reliability before and now not so much. Just wondering if I drop 5-10k on a 944 specifically if I will be able to actually drive the thing or should I just move to a different brand.

>>16809861
Don't get me wrong either, I'm not expecting to just buy this car and have it run like a corolla until the wheels fall off. I just want to know in a general sense am I going to be dealing with a money pit/major engine/tranny work or can I just keep up with the fluids and maybe replace a few parts here and there.

>>16809877
Honestly- keep the services upto date and a 944 is a good daily driver. If you spend 15k on it, it's probably a cared for car. Spend less and expect to spend on bringing mechanicals back to spec.

>>16809861
Any 80s car is going to take work and effort, they're just old now days

>>16809861
80s cars are gonna be unreliable regardless of brand

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Should I trade my built c5 corvette for this car?
>tfw IMS bearing issue still is not fixed until 2009

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/6021056742.html

>>16815723
are you stupid? Like I dislike Corvettes and love Porsches but the one you posted has a rebuilt title

a fucking rebuilt title Porsche

stay the fuck away.

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>>16815731
what if my corvette has a rebuilt title too?

also why does the door sills say carrera S also cant tell if engine cover says 3.6 or 3.8

I could buy a 996 cash but damn do they look bland like a saltine cracker

>>16815723
God no, keep the C5 they're great

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>>16815756
Look for a 996 C4S, they're wide bodies like the Turbos

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hey guys, im the anon who had the 914-6
i took a look at it yesterday, it's not quite in as good of condition as i though

it has a bad crack on the passenger side windshield, the front bumper is broke on the bottom, and there are some fuck ups on the paint

ive yet to figure out how the engine is, but it looks like it'll need some work

the interior is pretty beat up too

other than that, the trunks and "hood" open just fine. ill have to refill the tires and see what i can do

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>>16816020

>>16816040
i doubt it's been moved within 15 years

its plates have a 2000 year sticker

>>16816020
I mean it's an air cooled flat 6, the engine is simpler than most over all

But it sounds like you have a handful

For 986/996 owners, did you do anything to make the interior look/feel nicer?

>>16817932
It already feels nice, yeah it's ugly but the quality of the materials is great

I was gonna wrap the faded silver bits in satin white in mine

>>16817986
The biggest thing I've found so far is body color accents on the door hadles, center console and "horseshoe" on the dash.
Either that or the full leather package, which is rare and expensive.

>>16816020
whoa... i've never seen a 914 with that body style before. can you get a pic from the back?

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>>16766497
Didn't see this in the thread.

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>>16818574
>700hp CTR Yellowbird revival

>>16818321
ill have one up in a bit, i knew its body was unusual, unfortunately i doubt i could tell the story behind it either

>>16818574
>>16818580
incase you missed it , only 30 of them will be made ,

>>16818770

I'm on the phone to Alois right now.

>>16818784
and they are all sold already

>>16818770
And that makes me ree, although deep down I know it doesn't matter because I'd never get to drive one, let alone be able to afford one anyway.

>>16818791
i know , why cant car manufactors make non pigfat cars nowdays

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alright guys I'll be dumping a few photos of the 914

>>16818321

this is the rear end from one angle

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>>16818321

and straight on

>>16818799
Mazda Miata is like 2300 lbs without using exotic materials and meets modern safety standards

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and lastly from the side

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Some pictures from the Porsche Meetup in Interlaken (Switzerland) from 2016

>>16819152
>RUF
Dick status: muh

>>16819119
Nice! Keep posting.

Was supposed to install my exhaust today but the guy that was going to help me had to back out because his wife had some shit going on. Gonna do it next weekend. Could've done it here by myself but it will be a hell of a lot easier with a lift vs jack stands, especially while breaking decade+ year old bolts while underneath. That and I started drinking some rum shortly after I found out.

>>16819194
hhhnnngg

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Gemballa. Owner was found shot in desert in africa some time ago (owner of Gemballa, not car)

>>16819248
What? Sounds shady as hell.

>>16819248
>let's put a spoiler on the spoiler ON THE SPOILER

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clean :)
>>16819257

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/23/radovan-krejcir-uwe-gemballa-arrested/

>>16819264
One is also an air scoop it looks like.

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did I mention that I like multi part rims? :)

>>16819265
>2013
Surprised I hadn't heard of this before.

>>16819296
Wheels :P


Nice pics though, keep em coming. Hoping to catch a PCA track day around here soon once the weather starts getting better.

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Fuchs

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some VW Porsche

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>>16819352

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Fuchs again

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I just noticed that the pictures are actually from 2014

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>>16819359
>>16819376
Most people including porsche fanatics aren't too fond on the 914 for some reason, but have a pic of dem fugs

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>>16819404
I like them too :)

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we need more light

>>16819045
yes and that only single car left , 991 compared to 993 , 991 is like fucking mostertruck, same with nissan gtr , new one is like fucking landbarge compared older versions

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>>16819383
I have some random pics to add from other events.

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>>16819419

>>16819045
also weight is not only thing , nowdays most cars are just massive on size , and they are so high too

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iv'e got some shitty cellphone pics

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>>16819434
Thanks!

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>>16819449
hnnnngggg

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>>16819454
Have higher res of all these but would need to post on /hr/

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>>16819464
noice

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>>16819457
Rims that look good and are easy to clean are scarce

>>16819464
lewd

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>>16819476
That's lewd and not >>16819470

>>16819484
I hit "post" before the page refreshed

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>>16819473
if they where mine i wouldn't mind licking them clean

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needless to say these picture's are badly taken and crap quality

>>16819501
Am I the only one who thinks 996s look better the more batshit they get?

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>>16819496
>>16819505
i suddenly feel the urge for a rothmans cigarette

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>>16819490
That number plate of the Käfer.
This is from Sammlung Steim in Schramberg, right?

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>>16819525
why yes it is! visited that place on my trip to schwarzwald

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I'm 3rd row back with the sun screen right in the middle in front of the sound booth in the back.

>>16819540
oh god, this is auto-ultimatum for me. Can't get better then that car in that color.

>>16819546
more info on that grey smart?

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>>16819549
Other angle
>>16819542
I live like 20km away from it :)

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>>16819552
It's grey and a Four Two.

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>>16819562
im from belgium, about 600km away but oh boy those roads where worth it, had a lot of fun hooning about in my SLK on the roads in the black forest, great car collection and beautifull place to be in general, i was surprised to pass the BBS factory too

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unusual colour

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>>16819583
Yes in Schiltach.

Can we embed pastbin here? Was going to make the thread but more efficiently.

We should also make an alternate /pog/ pic as it is giving me shit about posting the same image and I don't want to alter the image.

>>16819874
>>16819874
>>16819874
>>16819874
New thread