>you will never own an Rx7 FD3S JUST

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wait wut

>>16749209
>how to make a car balance at 90/10

>>16749204
>Rx7 FD3S

Just say FD, tryhard.

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>>16749204
just get a corvette c5 instead

>>16749204
I know. Such a sad feel.

Honestly there are nice models around me for 20k but i just don't have that kind of money to drop on a toy car (Espesh when my real dream car is a clubman)

>>16749204
Just wait for them to be able to be imported from Japan. Early models can be found for like ~$5000

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>>16749360
Corvettes are only good for their engine. Rx7 is much better looking. Fax b

>>16749209
should had just bought a corvette, if you're going to buy an rx7 you're going to need to commit to the rotary that's what is special about the rx7 and you could add more power with turbos/ more rotors

>>16749310
An ls1 is barely heavier than a TT13B, once you factor all the plumbing

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>>16749402
thats not my car.

what if the 13b that was in that car was absolutely shot.

Personally I wouldnt LS swap an Rx7 but I can appreciate a clean swap when I see one.

>>16749409
If you go single like most people do the car becomes significantly lighter.

>>16749409
This isn't even true. Why do people keep saying this?

An overpriced unreliable meme mobile, wow what a loss.

I know most of you guys weren't alive when RX7's were still in production, but their reliability was legendarily poor. Only car i could think of that got a worse shake was the 1st gen DSM's.

Seriously, rebuilding the engine every 40,000 miles? Nobody is gonna do that in a country where that's the average mileage people drive every year. So they were constantly broken down.

They're great race cars and nice around a track but they are expensive to own and get terrible fuel economy for the non-existent torque.

I'd much rather a same year Camaro SS.

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>>16749505
Welp, this thread is going to be a shitfest.

Grab the popcorn

>>16749505
>rebuilding the engine every 40,000 miles?

Holy shit who would take apart a perfectly good engine every 40k miles?
I'm not sure you could even destroy a rotor in 40k miles unless you ran it without oil or screwed bulk boost into it or something.

16749505
laziest b8 I've seen on /o/. you don't even deserve a (you)

>people acting like a fucking Japanese weeb car is unattainable

Is it summer already?

>>16749526
It's notthe rotors it's the turbos

>>16749505
What nigger

Do you genuinely believe people rebuild these things more than once every 200-250k kms?

You're a real spaghetti monster m8

How did the fd compare to the 911 of that era?

>>16749468
because ls fanboys can't accept that their glorious engine actually ruins literally every car it's put in because the owners are so autistic they literally just spew "muh hp, muh tq" without understanding anything else around engineering.

>>16749544
Not every 40k it's not. Besides, going to a single is an easy option that everyone should be doing regardless. This whole unreliability meme is out of hand.

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>>16749505
lol rarely anyone daily drives an Rx7 FD.

>Seriously, rebuilding the engine every 40,000 miles? Nobody is gonna do that

wrong plenty of people do that.

>They're great race cars and nice around a track but they are expensive to own and get terrible fuel economy for the non-existent torque.

100% agree with you but it's still a stupid fun street car to own.

>I'd much rather a same year Camaro SS.

Good for you, I find them to be ugly. i would say most people find them ugly compared to the FD

>>16749559
>Youtuber put an ls3 in his cayman/boxter
>Had almost double it's power
>Even better mpg
...
...
...
...[spoiler] it was even lighter [/spoiler]

>>16749547
what are you saying? that a 200-250k km rx7 will already be rebuilt once and be getting worn out again? sounds about right

>>16749204
A C5 vette is better, at least the gearbox is in the right place - unlike that underdeveloped crock of shite

>>16749589
>once every 200-250k kms
christ are you fucking retarded or is english not your first language?

>>16749596
>Underdeveloped
You mean overdeveloped right?

>>16749603
No, I don't.

>>16749615
Well then you're a sped.

That must be nice.

>>16749596
why was the rx7 consistently faster around tracks than the c5 then?

>>16749638
Hey anon, your favourite car is shit

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>mfw

1995 Corvette:
Weight: 3,239 lb (1,469 kg)
Horsepower: 250 to 405
Torque:330 to 385 lb-ft
MPG: Up to 17 city / 27 highway
Dimensions: 179″ L x 71-73″ W x 46-47″ H
Wheelbase: 96.2″
Sticker Price of "Top" model: $66,278 (adjusted for inflation)

'95 RX-7
Weight:(2,685–2,954 lb)
Horsepower: 255 to 276
Torque: 217 to 263 lb-ft
MPG: Up to 18 city / 24 highway
Wheelbase: 95.5″
Dimensions: 169″ L x 69″ W x 48″ H
Sticker price of "Top" Model: $63,496 (adjusted for inflation)

yes, tell me again about how the FD was so superior.

>>16749678
see
>>16749644
and see literally any car review comparing the two at the time

>>16749678

FD can turn.

>>16749690
Which has literally nothing to do with reliability, cost of ownership, or fuel economy, which were the points i originally made and was called a troll for making.

For fucks sake, I even said it was an amazing track car. But yes, continue to move the goal posts. I can do it too. Why are corvette's still made and yet RX-7's aren't? (Hint, one is a tried and true concept, the other was failure.)

>>16749654
Way to ruin it, you dunce.

>>16749648
It's not my favourite car, that's for sure.

But also, i like cars with flaws so idk it's characteristics actually just make it more endearing.

>>16749710
see
>>16749688
and stay mad

they are perfectly reliable with < $1000 worth of mods.
>caring about mpgees in a sports car

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>>16749713

That's just like, your opinion man.

>>16749644
RX7 last year sold in US was model year 1995
C5 vette came out for model year 1996

Show me a published comparison of the C5 vette against an RX7...

>>16749845
>they didn't come out in the same year so track times cannot be compared
hmm interesting

>>16749872
Anon made claim that the RX7 was faster than a C5 around a track consistently, I want to see evidence. There isnt anything published that I can find,.. probably because no auto journalist magazine is going to compare a new generation car against a discontinued one you couldnt buy anymore.

>>16749899
why the fuck do you need an auto magazine to do the comparison for you? just look up the track times for both cars and compare them, retard

>>16749845
I was actually comparing the 95 FD to the 95 C4, specifically the "spirit R" vs. the ZR1. Unfortunately there isn't any sort of comparison in lap times between these two cars available, however lap times were not what i was talking about.

>>16749872
Also, if you dont compare track times conducted on the same day, preferrably by the same driver, then the comparison loses relevance.

People who pull who try to draw conclusions otherwise immediately telegraph their lack of experience with driving on a track.

Track times can change drastically within the course of a single day, based on weather conditins and track surface temps alone.

>>16749468
13B-REW weighs around 320 pounds fully assembled (including 26 pounds of intake and 35 pounds of turbo assembly/exhaust manifold)

Aluminum block LS crate engine weighs 418 pounds.

A complete swap will add around 150 pounds to the car, with 100 of that on the front axle. Assuming a starting weight of 2800 pounds, and a starting weight bias of 50/50, that comes out to 1400F and 1400R. After the swap it will be 1525F 1425R, for a total weight of 2950 and a weight bias of 51.7/48.3.

>>16749915
Youve never driven on a track have you?

See
>>16749927

>>16749929
>Aluminum block LS crate engine weighs 418 pounds.
not fully assembled.
also you did not take into account transmission weight and the fact that the ls engine is mounted higher and much further forward than the 13b

>>16749925
Ok thanks for the clarification

A normal FD sure, shit's literally cheap on the Japanese auctions since cunts are afraid of dumping money on rotary maintenance.

>>16749505
>>16749526
>The meme was originally 120,000 miles
>That somehow turned into 120,000 km
>That turned into 80,000 miles
>That turned into 80,000 km
>Apparently that has now turned into 40,000 miles
How long until people start talking about rotaries requiring rebuilds every 25,000 miles?

>>16749949
You'd be lucky to get 20,000 miles out of one of those things. I saw guys rebuilding their's every 15,000 miles. What a ridiculous design, an engine you have to rebuild every 10,000 miles.

>>16749937
>not fully assembled
Yes, fully assembled. Weights for both engines are dry and without accessories. The LS doesn't include manifolds, though.
>also you did not take into account transmission weight
I did. A T56 only adds like 5-10 pounds. The Mazda R-type transmission is god damned fucking heavy. I should know, I've got two in my garage.
> and the fact that the ls engine is mounted higher and much further forward than the 13b
It's not, they mount to roughly the same place. The V8 is about 25-30% longer. I accounted for that in my napkin math.

>>16749995
>Yes, fully assembled
no it isn't. it is closer to 450 fully assembled
>It's not, they mount to roughly the same place
wrong. it would've taken 2 seconds on google to find out this is the case.
>The V8 is about 25-30% longer
look up the lengths of the blocks and get back to me
>I accounted for that in my napkin math.
no you didn't

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>>16749980

>>16750012
You should call up Chevrolet and complain about them sending out complete crate engines only partially assembled.

it's a dream of mine to own of these eventually. 19 and neet rn but in around 3 or 4 years ill have the disposable income to own of these. hopefully they don't double in price

>>16750029
>everything you need on an engine comes in one package when you order a crate engine
would be great if this was the case

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>>16749204
I have an RX8, that's 1 better than 7.

>>16750012
>look up the lengths of the blocks and get back to me
Oh wow, I based that on my 4 banger. I just looked it up and the LS is almost exactly the same length as the 13B. Not sure if that's the point you were making.

>>16750051
In that case, the 13B weight I provided is incomplete as well because it doesn't include accessories and a harness and whatever else.

>>16750085
kek, where the fuck are you getting your information from that a fully dressed ls motor weighs 400lbs and is the same length as a 13b

>>16750085
>27" vs 16"
Yeah, exact same length

>>16750085
>>16750093
>>16750103
Oops, nevermind. It's 610 mm from bellhousing to crank pulley compared to 506 for the 13B. That's pretty much what I originally claimed.

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>>16750126
>bellhousing to crank pulley
>on a 13b
you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. the engine block is 410mm long on a 13b

>>16750103
>>16750139
You're including the alternator in your LS measurement but not the water pump in the 13B measurement. You're not wrong per se, but it's disingenuous at the least.

>>16750154
no, that's comparing the engine blocks (the bulk of the weight), like I initially said you retard.

>>16750159
Okay, so it's 410mm compared to 533mm, which is exactly 30%, and therefore within the 25-30% range I gave earlier.

>>16749583
>what is power delivery for 100$ chris:

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>>16749204
>tfw no rotary gf

>>16749505
Survivorship bias
The ones that have lasted this long are likely to keep lasting, as long as they continue to be maintained the same way
The weak have been culled, so to speak

>>16749468
Because it's a fact that LS engines are more light weight and compact than most japanese motors.

>>16750621
Kaisuke fucked up, man. She totally would have been supportive of his racing ambitions. All he would have had to do was not say "fuck off, cunt."

>>16749505
>>16749678
Rotards have yet to give an answer to these two posts.

>>16750735
I know you weren't alive when the RX3 was in production, but its reliability was legendarily good. Only cars I can think of that could match it in grassroots endurance racing are the E30 and MX5.

Seriously, rebuilding an engine every 200 race hours? That's unheard of. People stopped bringing spare engines to races.

>>16750735
This >>16750777 it's also really easy (and quick) to rebuild a rotary compared to a piston engine.

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>>16749204
stop making me feel this way

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>>16749204
Yeah.....
No

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>>16749678
pic related

also,
>gm has never won le mans
top kek

>>16749505
>Seriously, rebuilding the engine every 40,000 miles?
stop posting any time

>that's the average mileage people drive every year
seriously, stop posting

>muh torque
yep, you should definitely stop posting

>>16749505
>40,000 miles
>that's the average mileage people drive every year

lmao holy shit

>>16750639
The way how I understood that, he liked her too and that alone would fuck up his racing.

He would no longer be able to ride "balls to the wall" because in the back in his head he would be careful for her.

Even if she would support him 100% and not take even a second of training time, he drives suicidal when racing, and she would stop him from doing that.

In my headcanon they get together later when they all move to proper/safer legal racing. It's a good headcanon.

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>>16749204
YES I WILL
DELET THIS

>>16750053
I'm so jelly

it doesn't always need to be the best car or bang for buck car.
If you don't like the car leave it alone. It is an enthuasiast car and it will always stay one.

>>16750952
Where can I subscribe to you headcanon?

>>16751614
You already did

I actually have one on the way from Japan.

It's due to land this Friday.

2002 Type-R Bathurst. It's a June build so one of the last FD's from the factory.

V excited.

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>>16749209
Delet this

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Here it is at the docks in Osaka

>>16751669
that one looks sweet

sadly the Germoney cars with LHD are too expensive to ever be able to get one

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>>16751740
basically any car worth getting is too expensive here in Germanistan

>>16751832
Got any more
Pics like this?

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>>16751847
of fds or generally?

>>16751832
Jap Imports are dirt cheap compared to the German Versions, but I prefer LHD over RHD. Gotta bite the wallet then

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>>16751832
>Germanistan

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>>16751879

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>>16751870
>I prefer LHD over RHD. Gotta bite the wallet then
me too, but I am a poorfag (student), so yeah...
got any recs for a first sporty car? I am driving a corsa d atm and it's boring af. Was thinking of getting an eg5 but haven't seen one yet tho.

>>16750603
LS engines have a pretty broad torque range

if he means the Gorguts album and not the band Obscura he's a fuckin G

>>16751954
Great for trucks, irrelevant on lightweight sports cars.

>>16751862
Both would be nice.

FD's or Silvias?

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>>16751988
this is all I have

>>16751997
Ah yes, seen this one.

I have an FD one somewhere if u wanna see it.

Looks like the same dude too lol.

>>16751832
>>16751862
>>16751945
>>16751997
muh dick

where do I find more like this

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>>16752007
yes please
>>16752027
would like to know too

>>16750777
Ah yes, I forgot that a 12a is the engine as a 13b TT, and the rx3 is the same chassis as the rx7. Your comparison is pointless. You still haven't proven the FD was superior to it's competitors at the time. But keep not addressing my post, your denial is wonderful.

>>16751981
Not actually relevant for trucks either, except when all of the following conditions are met:
>Manual transmission
>Below the speed of idle in first
>flywheel inertia is insufficient to start the vehicle rolling
>Speed differential between flywheel and clutch required for the engine to meet the minimum amount of power to start the vehicle rolling is great enough that clutch burnout becomes a concern
So torque matters if you have a manual transmission with a tall first and a lightweight flywheel and you're trying to drag launch while towing a trailer. That's not actually a common use case. In general, it's power, traction, brake heat capacity, gearing, and frame strength that determine suitability for towing.

>>16751945
Adam S? Fiesta ST? GT86/BRZ if your budget can handle it, E46 325i?

>>16752068
A 13B is just an "overbore" 12A with better metallurgy. I'll admit that the twin turbo system on the FD left a lot to be desired. Either way, the FD's problems are not problems with rotary engines in general, and therefore can fixed even on an FD.

I also enjoyed your implication that the FD chassis is somehow unreliable. Clearly that must be the case, as evidenced by all those LS swapped cars that snapped in half.

>>16752131
I heard they have a problem with cooling when driven harder for a longer time or in heat, is that true?

What do you guys think about FD with F20C or F22C1 engine?

Heresy?

Is RX-7 without rotary enine still an RX-7?

>>16752147
The FD has a problem with heat soak because of the enormous cast iron turbo/manifold system that eats up heat when running and then radiates it all over everything else when you stop. An extractor hood fixes the problem.

>>16752155
80% of the cost of an LS swap for -25% of the return. Why would you even consider that as a swap?

>>16752182
feels more like the original

especially the smaller F20C

>>16752155
better than LS, thy

>>16752172
is having a heat shield making it worse since the heat stays on one side? If you want to keep the stock body would an upgraded Radiator/Cooling System delete the problem?

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>>16752128
I am poor af, would like to have something that doesn't break and that I can learn to do maintenance on myself.
It should be German or Jap, preferably Jap since I don't want stuff to break.
I wish I could get something more "grown up" like a s13, but the prices show how much of a meme it is. Celicas seem cool too...idk. Can spend like 4 to 5k max.

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>>16752052
>low res

>>16752198

Bigger radiator, bigger oil coolers, lower temp oil thermostat, and a vented hood.

I never see higher than 190F even under extended wot.

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>>16752205
nb MX5 is your best option, I'm in the same position as you and that's what I'm planning on getting next.

>>16752027
>>16752052
There's a facebook page called 'original JDM guy' that regularly posts older car related pictures from Japan.

>>16751981
Spoken like a true Honda kiddie

>>16752225
meant for
>>16752201

>>16752201
the train for S13 left some years ago, prices are pulling.
The fucking S14 is becoming cheaper than the S13

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>>16749204
imagine having this qtie meeting you every morning in the garage

damn feelings ;_;

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what anime is this

>>16752191
Yes, but you're still talking about spending thousands to swap in a less capable engine.

>>16752198
Go single with a stainless manifold and get an electric water pump that can continue to circulate water when the engine is off. I'd strongly recommend an extractor hood for the best reliability, though. Nothing you do with the radiator or thermostat will fix the problem, because the issue is the manifolds releasing heat to bake all the rubber when you stop. I suppose popping the hood every time you park would accomplish the same thing, but is that really a preferable option to a hood vent?

>>16750629
That is true when it comes to the RB and J but definitely not the 13B-REW.

>>16752068
I've posted an image showing the rx7 destroying the corvette 911 and nsx already
Its not anyone's fault you choose to live in ignorance

>>16753646
>J
It's a JZ engine. The Toyota J engine is a 4 cylinder diesel from forever ago. You don't go around talking about the Nissan R engine, do you?

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>>16749209
DELET

>>16749204
>tfw i could have bought an FD in cash yesterday but now im blowing all my money on a down payment for a house

oh well id rather have a house and some shitboxes than an apartment and an FD with no garage

>>16749204


RX7's aren't that expensive?

>>16753839
No but it's hard to a
1. a stock low mileage one
2. one that isnt modded to shit.
3. one that is LS Swapped (no offense to LS')

>>16749209
much obliged

>>16749397
hardly

>>16752027
>>16752052
Mid Night

And there have been a couple dump threads.

>>16753989
nigga I like corvettes but the FD Rx7 looks better than every single corvette made except the C7 Z06

>>16753834
>Not buying a plot of land with utilities for $5,000, a shipping container for $1500, furnishing and amenities for $1000, and having plenty of money left over to buy an RX-7 and start on a shop

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>tfw fd

>>16749583
thats not a rotary dumb fuck its a flat 6

>>16749944
that and japs dont like used cars that much so used cars are pretty cheap in general there

>>16751832
qt

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>>16749834
is this you?

>>16751653
>Not Type R Bathurst R
Dun goofed, son.

>>16755079
You do realise the only difference is the Bathurst R model is a year older and has tacky fake carbon fibre in the interior? Lol

>>16751653
Im assuming you arent from America

>>16756236
My bad, I had the R Bathurst confused with the earlier Bathurst R, which was just a spoiler and window tint or some shit and based on the Type RB instead of the Type R.

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How can Mitsubishi, Nissan, and GM even compete?

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>>16754996

Nope, oh god that porsche front.

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>>16756302
>Mitsubishi

by being an industrial titan that literally makes cars for goofs. comparing Mitsubishi to GM is like comparing GE to GM.

a GE car would be pretty dope though.

>>16749980
FDs seriously break down after only 10,000 km?

>>16757689
That was sarcasm, fuckwit. Only the early Soviet wankels in super limited production Ladas shat out at 12,000 km.

>>16749980
>an engine you have to rebuild every 10,000 miles.
Actually it's every 50 miles, exactly.
The apex seals are designed to disintegrate every 50 on the dot, which requires a costly and extremely difficult engine rebuild.