ZL1 1LE Revealed

MAXIMUM ANAL DAMAGE FOR FORD AND YURONIPS

Can anyone stop the camaro?

God damn gm is killing it. What I wonder though is why they make the camaro super fast when you have the corvette as well. Seems strange to make so much effort making the camaro legendary on track when that's the vettes job

Thats the car that crashed.

We havent seen the z28 yet :O

>>16724191
>Can anyone stop the camaro?
the cooling system rofl

>>16724196
from what I understand camaro and corvette have two separate development teams and gm has basically given each free reign. also, with the corvette transitioning to a mid engine car some might consider the cars to be in two similar, but distinct markets.

my god that grille insert is absolutely awful

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>>16724174
Visibility is still shitty. It's either this or a Stang.

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The z28 is go kart status then

I dont know how they are gonna make it faster if they stick with a NA engine.
This is the car that crashed at the hurrdurrring that /o/ keeps shitposting about lol.

They must have been heavily influenced by the GTR design.

>>16724245
Yea I need to know what the new Z/28 is so I know if I should keep my 2015...

This new ZL1 1LE is scary tempting, despite hideous grill, pushbutton ebrake, and forced induction...

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Searching for more pics.

>>16724174
>only in manual
GM doing it right.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=tCr7Rvw8ihM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBDRr39R1JI

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>>16724217
>camaro and corvette have two separate development teams
If GM had did this fucking DECADES ago imagine how much better previous corvettes and camaros could've been? this could also be the reason they are just now going mid-engine with the Corvette (other than trying not to be bested by Ford's MR car in GTLM) they don't want the Camaro to take over the Corvette as their Halo car.

>>16724269
How? it looks nothing like a GTR. the only thing in common they have is aero bits with the Nismo (which also look nothing alike).

>>16724245
>>16724290
The only way i can see them topping this now is if the Z28 is some kind of DOHC 7 liter Turbo V8 with lots of carbon fiber (they are working on a DOHC V8 and Cadillac is still working on a twin turbo one). i was expecting an LS7 successor but fuck that isn't going to even be enough so why bother... i honestly cannot believe this was the car they were testing at the nurburgring and in all those spy-shots.

>>16724174
ford niggers, make a GT500R to compete with this
also, where is the GT350R competitor you kikes? SS 1LE isn't powerful enough, nigger.
Give me a Z/28 no supercharger bullshit track car
don't tell me I have to wait for the next gen SS 1LE to get a spiritual successor to the last gen Z/28

>>16724174
as a side note did any of you guys hear about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umsFEQkeP28

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>current ZL1 is only 0.5 seconds behind the Nissan GT-R Nismo on Big Willow
>this will be lighter, have actual aero, and proper track tires

I'm not a fan of the Camaro, but I'm cheering for it to silence Alphonse and his disciples once and for all.

I don't care how functional the ricer wing is, it needs to go. Other than that, no complaints

>>16724314
Looks fucking sick

Shame I probably wont see many on the streets. If people don't buy them car makers might drop the market completely just how they did for the Viper. Shame really.

>>16724191
the fact that it's so hideous it's still making the disgusted face from the last time it saw itself in the mirror
Plus >>16724240

>you could buy this car for around 70k, and live with the knowledge that your car is faster than the majority of modern super cars and literally 99.95% of what is on the road

Fuck, that sounds really appealing.

>>16724388
I'd buy one to support development and the fact I get to daily a god machine around but I'm a poorfag

Leave it to GM to make a great looking car yet somehow find a way to make the grill look as plastic and shitty as possible.

>>16724348
I like the new Camaro but hopefully this doesn't turn into a camaro shill show. i don't want a new "Europe vs America"/"Camaro vs GTR or (insert car here)" every damn day.

Basically don't become what the Alfa shills are becoming or ecoboost shills were.

>>16724401
I've just accepted that this shitty ass board, is going to have at least 1 cancerous meme being spammed constantly at any given time.

At least Camaro vs GT-R spam would be entertaining catharsis for a week or two.

>>16724348

GM says this car is 3 seconds faster than a regular ZL1 around the hurrdurring.

>>16724411
No, it was the Milford Road Course which is a 2.9 mile track. Nordschleife is a 12.9 mile course. Ideally, that would translate into a 14 second advantage on Nurdburgerking, although that seems unrealistic. Supercharger heat soak, overheating tires, etc.

>>16724431

Got a link? You're prolly right, I couldn't find the article where I read that statistic.

>>16724439
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-1le-supercharged-z28-successor/

Opted not to link Jalopnik

>>16724348
>gm needs to go all out to compete with 10 year old nissan paltform
TOP KEK
and gmfags thinks this is impressive

>>16724411
>3 seconds faster than a regular ZL1 around the hurrdurring
so still slower than a base model 2011 gtr on all seasons in the wet! roflmao

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>>16724459
> Why not just call this a Z/28? Chevy says that name is reserved for naturally aspirated cars

Why the fuck didn't they do this with the ZR1

>>16724481
Z06 i mean..

HEY NEGRO
>>16724481
CAMARO TAKE OVER VETTE FAGGOT
next gen top level trims~~
Camaro = TTV8 FR HANDLING & NAV8 FR HANDLING ALL MANUAL TRANNY
Corvette = TTV8 MR HANDLING & NAV8 MR HANDLING ALL MANUAL TRANNY

>>16724174
>sports car with a truck engine
might as well make it a diesel too for the full package lol

>>16724744
I've actually heard that the whole "truck/sports car engine" is more of a car engine crossing into truck form than it is truck crossing into car form with the latest LT series anyway.

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Holy fucking shit my dick cant be more erected than that

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>only available in manual

Once again proving that Americans buy manual because they want to have fun, and Europeans buy manual because it's all they can afford.

>>16724174
Flowtie > Bowtie

They should just make all the Chevy badges like this, it looks so much better

>>16724793
Kek
Yuropoor

>>16724809
i feel like it would ruin the special touch being on every car.

I really want to like it but the visibility is a massive issue to me.

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>>16724751
That car on the bottom is the ZL1 1LE. Not the z28
>>16724740
Why are you so triggered anon? Where did big bad GM and the camaro touch you?

>>16724174
It's fine, I think the GT350-R had some pretty neat gimmicks with the carbon fiber wheels and stuff, but all that aero just really scream shameless bench racing.

It's fine for what it is, but I wouldn't buy one.

>>16724281
>2 inch headlights
>20 foot grille

made me think

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>>16724174
>Arguably the most significant change for the ZL1 1LE, though, is with the suspension. Instead of the standard ZL1's Magnetic Ride shocks, the ZL1 1LE gets Multimatic's genius spool-valve dampers. These are the same sort of shocks used to astonishing effect in the old Camaro Z/28. Beyond the dampers, the ZL1 1LE gets additional suspension tweaks to make it stiffer than the standard car.

delicious

>>16724840
this post triggered him, lmao

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>>16724174
I nearly came. I want it.

>>16724326
>How? it looks nothing like a GTR. the only thing in common they have is aero bits with the Nismo (which also look nothing alike).

The grills are really similar desu

>>16724980
kinda makes me think of a fat retard with wideset eyes

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>>16724174
The car looks like it's melting

>305 fronts
>325 rears

Jesus christ they might as well just put rubber rolling pins on the next Camaro

>>16724348
>implying anything but a bullet in the dome could silence Alphonse&co.

>>16725304
>THIS assblasted

>>16725304
Kek nice

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>>16725304
which will never happen

>>16725260
I'm not really seeing it.. they don't even have the same shape for the opening. but i guess they do both have big grills.

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>>16724210
>11 heat exchangers

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>>16724314
>fucking cleetus in the background

>>16724182
>>16724174

that front end
>GOSH MOM, ITS NOT A PHASE, ITS WHO I AM

>>16724174
I love my zl1 I can't wait to get this one

>>16725670
which gen?

>>16724174
Why the fuck is it so ugly though? Seriously, it's like they didn't even try.

Also,
>visiblity.

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>>16725374
unfortunately you'd have to go outside to catch a bullet

>>16725807
triggered?

>>16725602
really? lel

>>16724326
>How? it looks nothing like a GTR
apart from having a rounder front it definitely has similar design ques.

But the question here is, can it finish a lapmaround the ring?

>>16724174
>The new Chevrolet ZL1 LE
>You'll only see the tail lights
>It'll never see anything behind it.

>>16724196
I don't think GM is worried because Corvette's have a cult like following. It would be pretty funny if the ZL1 is actually better than the next C8 Z06. I feel like GM waited too long to give Camaro's the "premium" package. I'm not even a Camaro fan but the ZL1 looks like a fucking beast

>>16726267
The current ZL1 already did at 7:29. I'd expect this to be hovering around the 488 GTB in lap times.

>>16725695
1st

The car is great

It doesn't look so sweet though...?

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>>16727521
Damn, real nice.

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>>16724174
So you pay more for a car that slower than a base ZL1 with the automatic? I don't get why it's manual only. The carbon fiber isn't going to make it faster than the auto version.

Could someone explain the difference between this suspension and regular MRC?

>>16725296
That's the same tyre size the GT350 uses too though.
I won't bother looking, but the hellcat is probably around the same size too.

They have to use big tyres because all of them are front heavy.

Why can't Americans make good looking cars?

>>16727935
American sports cars don't lose much from going to manual, since they have good torque and don't need to worry about turbo lag/holding boost. At most you'd lose half a second around a track like Laguna.

>>16726417
corvettes are usually for top speed anyway, camaro is now the track car, so it's a different segment, and I imagine the interior and ride quality is worse than corvette too.

But it's still so hideous

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>>16725670
>>16727521

So you're telling me you own a $450,000 classic car? I know you're going to tell me that you really do and I assure you nobody here will believe you so why even try?

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>>16727980
The Mustang looks fierce and quick. The Challenger looks large but in charge.

The rest are forgettable bloat.

>>16728492
No I don't own a 1969 zl1 you fuck wit. I have a first generation one from this decade

I really didn't think I'd have to clarify

>>16728618

Then you have a 5th gen ZL1 you fuckwit. ZL1 is a trim level. The "Gen" refers to the generation of Camaro. Even by your logic, you'd have a 2nd gen ZL1.

No by my logic I have a 5th gen camaro 1st gen zl1 the 2nd generation is already around nigger.

>>16728799

I'm not gonna spell out why you're retarded until you post bread on hood.

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>>16728707
*aggressive reddit quoting and commas.

>>16728831
The * goes after what you type when you are correcting somebody's post and that's not even what you're doing
Lurk moar newfag

[Understanding Of Punctuation Deintesifies]

>>16728843
*teleports behind you unsheaths debating skills.

But no seriously, my bad.for the misconception I have a 5th gen zl1 and the 1st rendition of what they call the "zl1" and I'll post my dick on the hood wednesday it's Mardi gras and I'm having fun triggering you niggers

>>16728531
Mustang looks like shit m8

>>16728902

Its not the 1st rendition of a ZL1 tho. You already said what the 1st was right here >>16728618 you dingus.

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>this triggered over a post

fucking lmao

>>16728975
nice projection, lol

>>16728990
>nice projection

Just take a look at what you've posted before saying anything

>>16729016
t. assmad gm fangirl

>>16728916

Soz brah In my head I understood them to be entirely two separate entities despite what chevy wants to call it.

>>16729026
Aww, did I trigger you?

>>16729046
nope, stay btfo

>>16729049
>s-stay btfo

like a broken record

you can't defend it at all

>>16729105
defend what? lol

>>16729122
defend the camaro being slower than a base model 2011 gtr on all seasons run in the wet

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>>16725380
Do you see it now.

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>>16729303
He can just use the same defense you'd use for pic related.

>>16724174
Seeing that thing reminds me of that guppy airplane

>>16729397

Are you implying Nissan invented the retarded wide mouth grill? Because that was Audi.

>>16727939
Challenger uses 275 all around

The viper uses 355's on the rear

>>16729637
>audi is known for their huge mouth grills that everyone uses now
>also known for their flashy led headlights that even the most basic of shitboxes have now too

Audi are truly the pioneers modern automotive design

>ZL1
>ZRE
>ZT4
>ZTTHEDRIVEROFTHISCARSUCKSPENISFORALIVING
>ZL1
>ZR1
>ZZZZZZZZZDILDOFAGGOT104

arr rook same

arr sound same

arr same

>>16729424
shit tier tracks with unregulated/unverified tests done by 3rd parties vs the literal performance benchmark of the world and verified/regulated tests done by manufacturers?
i wonder which is more valid

stay btfo gmcuck

>>16724174
>>"Cheater Tires" - Nissan
wat

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I'd want one so bad, if it didn't look like shit.
Why'd GM have to fuck up the styling so bad?

>>16724174
How the fuck are slicks cheater tires?

>>16730540
My point was that the argument "if it didn't beat it on the same day by the same driver than it doesn't count" would come into play since that's the original argument used for those prezo pictures.

Also you got it backwards. Manufacturer conducted test are never taken as seriously vs 3rd party. all the hyper car comparison test were done by 3rd parties for benchmark not manufacturer.

>>16730523
>Corvette
>Z06
>ZR1
>Z07 = track package

>Camaro
>ZL1
>Z28
>1LE = track package

Wow so hard

>>16730644
>Manufacturer conducted test are never taken as seriously vs 3rd party
lmao in your dream world. journalists favor whichever company gives them the most support
manufacturers only care about their product
journalists do a handful of hot laps in whatever condition and call it a day
manufacturers spend countless hours testing their cars

you are delusional

>"if it didn't beat it on the same day by the same driver than it doesn't count"
gtr has beaten corvette in two head to head comparisons
lost in none
stay btfo

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>>16730650
>track package
>overheats after a lap

TOP KEK!

>>16724196
i honestly think GM wants to move the Vette up to compete with the Ford GT and other super cars and then let the camaro move in where the vette used to be.

Im no GM fan, in fact i hate their shit, but there is no denying that the mustang cant really compete with the camaro anymore now. I mean fuck the fucking camaro goes toe to toe with a M4??

>>16730678
>i honestly think GM wants to move the Vette up to compete with the Ford GT and other super cars and then let the camaro move in where the vette used to be.

This would be a great move for GM. With faster and faster cars, GM needs a super car to compete with Europe. The camaro would be the perfect fit to fill that void that the corvette left.

>but there is no denying that the mustang cant really compete with the camaro anymore now
Agreed

>that feel when can't afford
>that feel when the SS will still be magnetic
Is the throttle response at least going to be better in the SS?

>>16730678
This is exactly what they're doing, though I don't think they're moving the Corvette all the way into supercar territory.
I think it'll be at that level that the R8 was introduced at before its price started inflating wildly. The shift to mid-engine signifies a serious shift and it's probably going to piss off a lot of the boomers who can't stand change and get super touchy about their vettes, so it's certainly not a move that's being done without serious thought.

Btw, I drove an M4 on closed roads for a day and still ended up buying a Camaro. For me personally, it wasn't even close when you factored in price/performance.
I do hope the Mustang starts competing again though, it's better for everyone when they push each other.

>>16730714
you have a point. honestly with boomers on their way out (cant fucking wait till their all gone) the vette is going to have less of a market to appeal to, but for millennials the camaro was what most could afford. So GM moves the camaro into a higher price bracket just as we get older and chase after it because thats the car we grew up with. The camaro will be the vette in our eyes when we get to our 50s which begs the question: "If the camaro "replaces" the vette, what will GM make to take over the spot that the camaro once held?"

>>16730664
>journalists favor whichever company gives them the most support
So your saying any head to head any car wins or loses are payed losses/wins? so then winning a head to head by anyone anywhere would means nothing because anyone could've payed anybody and we'd have no way of knowing?

>journalists do a handful of hot laps in whatever condition and call it a day
That's exactly what they are supposed to do. that represents real world performance benchmarks and eliminates variables that would make a car artificially faster or slower. The same driver eliminates the variable in skill gap which can make any car seem faster or slower. These were original arguments you guys made against prezo. Not every manufacturer has access to the same driver as the other or clocks in the exact same amount of time.

>gtr has beaten corvette in two head to head comparisons
But the one you were talking about in>>16729303
has beaten the Camaro in none and that's the point.

>>16729637
No.. i was just saying the Zl1 Grill looked zimilar to the GTR grill

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>GM has LITERALLY never EVER been able to lap the nurburgring faster than 7:08

it will take GM another 5 years to beat this, an absolute beast

>>16730856
will gm recover?

>>16730767
>that represents real world performance benchmarks and eliminates variables that would make a car artificially faster or slower
eliminate variables? its subject to variables!
manufacturers testing doing hours of runs in all conditions and using the best time is more representative of the true potential of the car more than anything else
you are fucking stupid

>>16724348
I'm not a Ford or Chevy fan boy, but those guys actually turn people against their beloved brands by being annoying jerks.

>>16728902
Pm me dick on hood please. If you cum on it I will lick it off bb.

>>16730887
>its subject to variables!
What variables is it subject to if they are both in the same place at the same time being driven by the same person in the same conditions vs the Nurburgring?

>manufacturers testing doing hours of runs in all conditions and using the best time is more representative of the true potential of the car more than anything else

But how would you ever know if one car is showing its best potential with the skill-gap in the drivers? unknown hours clocked in? and that just represents what the Manufacturer can do with the car Not what anybody will be able to do just taking the stock car to the track. usually cars at the ring are tweaked perfectly for the track and the driver and your car won't be and the only way you'd repeat that time yourself is if you put in the hours they did tweaking the stuff like they did. handing the keys to a single driver and running them back-to-back in the same conditions better represents the performance every car is going to actually deliver to the costumer from the factory. you also said 3rd parties aren't "verified"... who's verifying these ring times and what's stopping manufacturers from making their car look artificially better than it is by using none-stock stuff? even if they take a journalists or some kind of authority with them to watch what's stopping them from paying them to lie saying the car did "X" with "Y" when it didn't?

If the ring is the deciding factor for what's faster than why are you even saying the Nismo is faster than the C7 Z06 when neither Z06 or none-N-attack nismo GTR posted an official recorded time around the ring? if you were going off the N-attack alone then you would be saying the only GTR that has proven itself faster than the C7Z is the one that cost double the price (in the US, UK and German markets)

>>16728843

it goes before you dumb faget

>>16730552
fuck i agree with you so hard

its like they did it on purpose to torment people

>>16731053
nice excuses

>>16730753
Who knows at this point. I could see them maybe reviving something like the Chevelle or going outside the box and reviving a sister brand's car like a GTO or Firebird.

>>16730838

Geee mister those sure dont look like all-season tires.

>>16724217
Corvette isn't transitioning to mid engine. The new GM mid engine will supposedly be a Cadillac.

as a yurofag i really want to like this car, but that front end is so off-putting and childish looking I just can't.

please don't pull a lexus, burgers.

>>16730668
>15.5 inch carbon ceramic discs
>6 piston brembos
>supercharged monster engine
>aluminium construction
>modern aero design and sleek body
>
>
>
>overheats

way to go

I bet they never even tested it out on the track beforehand.

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>>16733667
Does this look like a Caddilac to you?

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>>16724740
lel

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Hi
I know that it's not released but can someone tell me if my camshaft/crank sensor is properly placed? My engine have problem with ignition.

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>>16734735
>lap times set with different drivers
lel, so many desperate gm fangirls around here

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>>16734782
>being this mad

>>16724182
GODMACHINE

>>16734798
nice projection, stay btfo

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>>16724196

Camero is the GM alpha platform. So is the Cadillac ATS-V and CTS-V.

>>16724769

And if it is raining? Or if there is sand on the road? Or if it cold outside? Dude, sport bike rider here. Trust me, you need perfect day and perfect conditions. 2 extra wheels forgives a lot.

>>16724815

That was the oil filter cratering. Same thing stops any car except for vehicles made by Kalashnikov.

>>16724751
this is all they can post lmao

>>16724751
this post triggered the gm fags hard lol

>>16733667

Wrong. Corvette goes mid-engine for c8. Bad move in my opinion, but GM dont listen to me.

>>16734823
>Trust me, you need perfect day and perfect conditions
Pussy

>>16734873
>trust me, I have read this on many clickbait blogs with no actual sources
>lets forget that the same sites said the C7 was also for sure going to be mid engine

>>16734876

My legs, arms and head all still work, though. Talk to me after a shoulder to knee rebuild.

>>16734900

Wow. Someone wrecked a car while racing. Never happened before. Amazing.

>>16724174
> pretending thats not just an ugly lexus.
Kek

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>>16734914
>top of the line model from gm can't beat a V6 f150 with a body kit

>>16734925

THAT WAS A FUCK-ALL AWESOME JOB OF RUNNING THE GUY OFF THE ROAD!!!

(or really bad driving)

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>>16734944

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>>16734954

> People cant drive and they wreck cars

whew, lad.

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>>16734975

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>>16734925
>>16734954

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>>16735006

Damn son, your autism is strong. Just cant let go... GTRs never get wrecked by shitty drivers...

https://www.google.com/search?q=crashed+GTR&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK8diMzK7SAhUE5CYKHXe7Dq4Q_AUICCgB&biw=1276&bih=1287

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>>16735017

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>>16734900
>>16734925
>>16734954
>>16735006
>>16735017
>>16735094

Fug kid that is some serious hate you got going. A corvette and a mustang tag team your mom?

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>>16735169

>>16724326
I would be very, very, VERY, surprised if GM made a TT Z28. I get the feeling the name will be retired for some time. The only way i can see them using the Z28 name plate is if they make a track only version wit his some crazy N/A motor. Kind of like the car copo, but meant to go around corners.

Also, I've heard they plan to make the MR vette along side the normal FR. And there will be more engine options for the vettes. But this is more rumor than fact.

>>16735169

>Not gonna lie, former GTR supporter here. It is great watching a GTR fanboy self destruct. But seriously, we can't let him keep shitposting.

Sorry, could not help myself.

>gm fangirls projecting this hard
lol, they ragequit too

>>16724196
Holding the camaro back to not step on that bet he's toes is one of the reasons the car died in the early 2000s.

The team behind the camaro had to always be mindful of not surpassing the base vette's abilities either irl or on paper which is why the car was always listed with lower hp even though it was the same engine and would dyno the same. Meanwhile ford had the opposite problem of only having the low end mustang and semi exotic gt to represent their performance division. Without a middle ground they had to cram everything in the sn95 chassis to satisfy a price range from $20k-$75k.

Coming from someone who followed the fourth gen pretty closely I was surprised when gm adopted the outlook they have today of letting each team shoot for the stars.

>>16735342
fuck you hater fag

>>16735418
stay btfo

>>16735342
You're the faggot invading their thread.

>>16735498
>p-p-please stay out of our safe space!!

>>16735595
>so triggered that he's banned for being a forced-meme-spamming asshole that he evades his ban and seeks validation on a korean sand raking board incessantly
sad

>>16735611
You do realize that "no u" and "I know you are but what am I" are not valid retorts once you leave kindergarten right?

goddamn this is sad

>>16735221

I hope this is the guy that was banned. Some serious professional help needed with that one..

>>16724192
diamonds