[ D a i l y B i k e T h r e a d ] - /dbt/

Anyone know what happened to the motorcycIe development cycle of the late 90's and 00's?

When I first got into motorcycles it seems like each Japanese manufacturer had a new model coming out every 4 years and a refresh of that model every 2 years with a bit more power, a bit less weight, etc. in between the complete redesigns.

But it seems like after 2008-2010 or so they stopped this and just stuck with a single design and only did minor updates over the years, some sticking with a single original design for 10 years (see R6).

It also seems like they are reusing parts a lot more. The CB1000R uses the same motor from the 2007ish CBR1000R. The GSXS1000 uses the same motor from the 2005ish GSXR1000R. Yamaha sold a bike that is essentially a 2002 R6 as the R6S for years along side the latest R6. Yamaha's basic engine architecture hasn't significantly changed since the first R1 in the late 90's (most significant is going from 5 valve to 4 valve heads and going crossplane crank with the last two generations of R1), it even originated in the 80's. And even all R6 motors since have been derived from it. The CBR1000RR has just now seen it's first major redesign since 208, and even then it's not a full redesign, the bike is still based largely on the 2008 bike.

It seems like manufacturers have pretty much given up on the 2 year update-4 year ground up redesign, bleeding edge development cycle where they constantly tried to one-up each other.

Now we get the same bikes year after year with slight changes to output, plastics/headlight, some suspension tweaks, etc. and the very occasional (but not complete) redesign (see 2015 R1, 2017 CBR1000RR)
It's like they forgot what "ground up" development is and got lazy.

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>>16699011
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE THE REASON I DON'T UNDERSTAND

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Going to buy it today lads

>>16699018
>keep producing the same shit you made ten years ago
>surely that will bring people in to buy new motorcycles.

>>16699018
wonder what happened around 1999 that caused such a surge in motorcycle sales through the 2000's

>>16699027
>honda
enjoy your overpriced parts and meh performance.

>>16699029
>hasn't watched The Big Short
>doesn't remember the housing market implosion
>doesn't remember the worldwide economic fallout

>>16699034
If you think Honda has overpriced parts I'd like to know what you think of ducatti bmw or HD

>>16699036
>citing a Gosling film that isn't Drive.
>implying that only had a major effect on people's purchasing habits for about 2 years
>ignoring that we have recovered from the recession and the Japs keep pumping out the same old shit spare a few new examples.
>implying people are inclined to buy new bikes if they're not actually new, but refreshed bullshit
>in addition manufacturers increased the cost of these recycled bikes by around 50% without any significant upgrades
>10 years ago you could have walked out of a dealership with an R6 for less than $10,000 out the door. As of last year you couldn't walk out with pretty much the same bike for less than $15,000. gee I wonder why people aren't motivated to buy new bikes.

Suzuki made the same GSXR's for over ten years. Gee I wonder why no one was rushing into showrooms to pick them up

>>16699043
>ducatti bmw or HD
Sorry, i don't buy trash.

>>16699029
>release new bikes
>they sell like fucking shite because no one has money to buy them
>shit let's throw more money at this and make the bikes even more expensive, surely that will entice people to spend the money they don't have
All the R&D went into small bikes so that they'd have something cheaper to sell to poorfags and new riders, that's why there's a highly competitive 300cc market in North America now instead of the Ninja 250 and nothing else and even shits like BMW are getting into them.

>>16699052
>nobody has money to buy bikes
>solution? Increase cost of preexisting bikes by 50% with almost no changes
>Surely people will buy now!

Literally what happened.

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Is this the best line you can take for a roundabout?

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>>16699054
The value of money.

>>16699062
Inflation didn't increase by 50% though.

>>16699061
No, start outside, late apex. Smoother turn-in, less room for error, less risk of runout.

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>>16699070
Neither did motorcycle prices.

A weak USD makes foreign made vehicles more expensive.

Is there any good motorbike anime that is actually about bikes and not cute girls?

>>16699085
He is coming from bottom side I think.

>>16699011
Emission cucking, now it's just a rush to who lowers emission by 0,0003% rather than anything else.

>>16699102
>anime
>good

>>16699106
There is plenty of good anime. Just none of it was made in the last 20 years

>>16699102
I tried to watch Motorcycle Legend (initial d dude before initial d).
Wasn't very good.

>>16699102
>Is there any good anime that is actually about (insert any topic her) and not cute girls?

No.

>>16699104
I assume right side traffic like 99% of the world.

>>16699112
This

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>>16699117
Look at the cars, it's obvious he's a shitposting Aussie cunt.

>>16699134
>Racing line through a roundabout
Just read that shit again. Its obviously a retarded aussie

>>16699048
liar, post your bike

>>16699110
If you're still interested in selling the bike from >>16697820 , email me at bike at bikelurker dot 33mail dot com

>>16699150
u frst bby

>>16699181
Just email me [email protected]

>>16699184
or just keep being a little bitch, that works too

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Britbong here, I am an inexperienced man, new to handling the wonders from the Far East, so riddle me this, /dbt/, why should I shack up with an old, used up Jap bitch with a stretched pipe that has passed through hands of many men, such as a Honda Hornet or an SV650, if I can have a hardly used, young, supple Korean waifu with SV650's engine for less money?

>>16699280
Its your loss. Theres a reason why all korean bikes are cheap with low KMs. I hope you are smart enough to figure it out

>>16699280
Because you don't want your engine and transmission to die after the first 2000 miles.

>>16699280
A literal WHO motorcycle brand.

So whats the current status of sem 3.0?

>>16699304
Cancelled

>>16699280
I hear the mechanical shit of Hyosung's aren't bad, but the electrical is an absolute nightmare.

>>16699304
Happening

>>16699280
SV650N is only marginally cheaper and way more refined/reliable

>>16699314
When and where?

>>16699280
If we're using your shacking up metaphor,

the korean love slave is inexperienced, and doesn't know how to suck dick, and is a dead fish in bed and will probably stop mid way through.

The whores always want to be fuckin.

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>Squidding with just a tshirt on for the first time
>Feels nice at first, should do this more often
>Get up to 40mph
>Tshirt all of a sudden around my nipples
>Entire back is exposed
>Turn around and come back home
That fucking sucked, squids are retarded

>>16699313
can vouch for that. mechanically it's a dream but just going on five years old and i've recently had the tps needing an adjustment and now the o2 sensor seems to be playing up, disconnect it and it's fine but flashes Fuel Injector of the dash instead of speedo

>>16699339
You sound like a bitch

>>16699341
Which one do you have? If they got their stuff figured out and went with EFI I feel like they could be a great budget option.

>>16699346
You sound like a squid

>>16699339
if you havent figured out yet you tuck a small tail of your shirt into the back of your pants (assuming you're wearing pants) and it's fine. try wearing a singlet. it's like a friggen parachute that slaps your nips every seccond

>>16699355
honestly my leather motorcycle jacket is super breathable, wasn't much of a heat difference between that and the shirt besides when I was sitting in traffic.

>>16699352
Guilty as charged fampai

>>16699327
Austria, near Swiss / Italian border. Last weekend of July. I'm not at home right now so I can't send you the link to the camp site's website.

>>16699347
2012(13 model) gt250p

>>16699339
>fall for the ride to uni in tshirt meme last summer
>baking hot almost 40°
>be even hotter than in textile gear because sun is burning down onto bare skin
>don't dare go marginally fast because no protection
>wind, bugs, tshirt slapping against skin is uncomfortable
Never again.

>>16699339

>Australian Summer
>Squidding down to the shops to grab some milk
>80km/h stretch, so doing 120+
>Shirts going fucking wild, goes full Michelin Man as it fills with air
>Buttons start coming undone
>Soon all the buttons are undone
>Shirts flapping around wildly, starts rolling and winding itself up on my back
>Bugs and shit pinging off my chest
>Arrive at the super market looking like the biggest faggot imaginable, half naked, trying to untangle myself from my shirt, covered in bugs
>Left wallet in jacket

>>16699384
top kek

>>16699289
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>>16699330
Thanks, Anons, this is very helpful and confirmed my suspicions. I want a Bandit for sure now.

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>shirt flies off
>every bump in the road causes belly to jiggle
>my man tits flop to the side everytime I make a turn
>get some whistles from guys at every stoplight
>bugs slap across my chest I can feel their juices dry on my chest
>entire upper body gets sunburned
>It's physically painful to turn to look when changing lanes


never gain tbqhwu lads

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>dropped my bike in the fucking driveway
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

FUCKING NIGGER ADJUSTMENT SCREW

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>>16699410
Seriously fucking mad about this. Gonna be a pain in the ass to get this out.

On that note, anyone know of a good place to get a new adjustment screw and locking bolt for the rear brake pedal on a Yamaha Virago in South Australia?

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>when WR Anen sends you 10 snapchats in a row of bad 'fukt ur mum' jokes
I'm rollin m8s

>>16699412

Just pop into your nearest Yamaha dealer or Peter Stevens in the City, see if you can find the part number before hand on....

http://www.cmsnl.com/

...even if you can't, they'll just look up the parts fische in store and suss it out.

>>16699433
Cheers m80. There looks to be a Yamaha dealership just up South Rd from me as a matter of fact, so I'll drop in there tomorrow.

In the meantime, I need to find a tiny hacksaw and get this damn screw out...

>>16699339
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>>16699407
Daily Mega Squid here, please just tuck in your shirts.

>>16699404
Bandit is shitbike supreme

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>>16699438

Coast Yamaha is great, super helpful and they've always done me an awesome deal on literally everything i've bought there.

They pretty much cum buckets every time I rock up on my TW as well.

Pick related are pretty handy for those super tight jobs.

>>16699438
Vice grips and just thread if out?

>>16699443
elaborate pls?

>>16699450
It's bent at such an extreme angle that I'd be concerned about it getting halfway out and getting stuck, thus fucking things up even further. It'd probably be safer to cut the whole bottom half off as close to the bracket as possible before trying to thread the rest out.

But it's a very small cramped space, so I guess I'll be going to stratco or bunnings tomorrow for something like pic related: >>16699445

>>16699102
Yes. Stop being a casual.
>>16699108
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>>16699125
Ignorants.

>>16699464
lmao!!!

>>16699469
You're still a little bitch even though you don't watch anime.
I could post hundreds of good anime.

>>16699476
hahahaha!!!!

can somebody add me to the /dbt/ whatsapp group again?

>>16699480
sorry frank, once you're out, you're out.

>heated grips

>>16699480
What?
You faggots have a whatsapp group? Do you exchange boipussi pics?

>>16699489

you sound jealous

>>16699480
Who one are you?

>>16699505
I'm satisfied with my JAVs.

>>16699506
Which one*

>>16699506
WR go to bed

thanks

>>16699514
WR is not in the group, only ppl who made it to SEM 1 or 2 are there, with *one* exception but that's just cuz he's a mad cunt.

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>>16699540
>mfw you're talking to the mad cunt

>>16699545
You're the maddest cunt

>>16699061
>american
>in car with my father
>be like 12 or something
>a roundabout comes up
>i have never seen one
>neither has my father
>he wants to turn left
>he turns left at the round about
>8 car pileup is created

>binge watch "bikers vs. angry people"
>lots of snowcat
>sub to him, seems ok
>a day later he uploads a video in which he willingly meets keemstar
>unsub

any good motovloggers i should sub to? kinda bored at work these days.

>>16699626
even amongst motobloggers snowcat is known for exaggerating things, clickbait and driving poorly then getting angry at other drivers for accidents he almost caused

>>16699626
DoItWithDickhead

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So i'm in Korea and am getting a motorcycle soon, i'm trying to decide between

A: a cheap 125 scooter
B: a good scooter like a PCX 125
C: a semi auto delivery bike (korean made honda supercub) for stealthy parking, but only 110cc
D: an SYM wolf classic 125

I am limited to 125cc and have only ridden scooters before. I am really tempted by the SYM Wolf but ;earning to ride a manual in korea is intimidating

650,000W is about $650.

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Is Nicky Hayden /ourguy/?

>>16699626
>seems ok
That's when you fucked up.

>>16699672
i know, i'm sorry!
>>16699644
okey dokey brokey(?)

>>16699672
>lookin for moto vloggers
>see snowcat always uploadin
>hit nubscribe without checkin
>now your inbox is full of
>clickbait and shitty riding
>always whining and whining
THATS HOW YOU KNOW YOU FUCKED UP

>>16699626
Baron von Grumble and his semi-professional channel 44teeth.

>>16699657
To be very honest with you, you can learn gears in a parking lot in about 15 minutes.

Don`t be afraid of gears. Clutch control might be trickier but I doubt it.

The fact is you can ride a scoot already and should be able to ride a manual bike with no real fuss.

>>16699668
I don't like his accent

>>16699682
oh i forgot about grumble, used to watch him quite a bit years ago, then svengalie died and i worked away more and more so pretty much stopped using youtube altogether :(

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>>16699682
>>16699693

>>16699657
I'd go with the sym just because I could never get the hang of lowspeed stuff on an auto bike.

You can teach yourself manual very easy. Don't let it scare you away.

>>16699626
>friends 80 year old grampa use to own one of the oldest euro motorcycle dealership in the USA so they would get to play with all the brand new toys when they came out.
>grew up with him telling stories of back when he used to race and stuff like when he friends use to get bored and play baseball on their dirt bikes before they got banned for destroying the field.

motovloggers are boring as fuck to listen to.

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>>16699668
not but I like nicky a lot.

Scott Russell is our guy.

>never had a teacher or a coach to tell him how to ride faster on track
>taught himself by buying VHS tapes of 500cc GP racing, with a buddy he would go out and practice the techniques he gleaned from the tapes on public roads
>underachieved in his international career for his skill level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pinxVKROFEA

>>16699691
im from colorado but 100% of my family is in Kentucky. when ever i hear him talk it makes me think of family.

im the only person in my family that doesn't say "y'all"

>>16699657
exc125

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disregard dirty garage, pic is when I rotated my engine to work on the rocker box gaskets over the weekend

>>16699688
>>16699701
>>16699707

OK, so i'll try the manual bike

the SYM seems like a good idea, i'll be putting in my paperwork in the next few days for my licence. I think it's a very good looking bike and the few reviews i've found on the 125 version all say it's reliable and good to ride. some do recommend higher handles though.

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>>16699715
oil had coated everything, from the rocker box gaskets failing as well as the pcv valve grommets leaking

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>>16699731
she's back together though, and running like a top. i had put new plugs in that weren't gapped properly recently, so it was backfiring all the time.

>>16699699
Kek. That shit never gets old. Baron is a fucking madman. Watch his shit pretty religiously especially 44teeth stuff as its actual quality shit unlike most other jewtube crap. Also, him, and especially his buddy can actually ride pretty fucking well.

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>>16699699
>mfw that almost happened to me but with my f650gs w/road tires

>>16699018
clearly republican presidencies are good for motorcycle sales

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>Visiting parents
>Driveway is blocked
>No problem, my Africa Twin is mighty offroading machine
>Ride up grassy slope
>Road tyres tear out large chunk of grass
>Grab the brake
>Do stupid half doughnut
>Manage to keep bike upright
>Sheepishly ride back on to road
>Wait for UPS van to move
>Parents now have ruined lawn

>>16699878
I don't understand how you figured it would end differently.

>>16699885
I've never tried to ride up a steep grassy hill before. Also, the front tyre tore a neat solid semicircle so it looks like Dr Manhattan had an issue with their lawn then got bored half way through carving it up.

>>16699410
Nigga that is EASY.

Cut the head off the screw, unthread the lock nut it'll clean the threads up and then back it out from the bottom.

30 sec to fix.

>>16699859
Republican presidencies are good for all sales fampai.

>>16699927
Tell that to my buddy. He makes and sells incredibly tacky male jewellery.

>my whole life I'm told not to lift with my back
>don't even lean forward and let my own bodyweight be supported by my back
>use my arms for support if I do have to lean forward

>then I get a sportback
>constantly leaning forward
>everyone tells me on a sportbike I should support my whole bodyweight with my back and not use my arms for support at all

Will I destroy my back if I ride a sportbike for years?

>>16699974
>then i get a sportbike*

>>16699974
No, there's a difference between lifting with your back and supporting your body weight. The reason you should use your back on the bike is because it leaves your arms free to quickly shift position.

It's probably worth doing some situps, B-52s and other core exercises.

>>16699704
p based did not know bout him

How's your day going?
Because I lost my SV's registration

>>16700011
>shitbike is still shit
>roads are still covered in snow
Average

>>16699993
People tell me I'm not even supposed to bend over and let my own bodyweight hang from my back tho. My last employer had a whole traning day on this shit along with other workplace safety. They said you should squat down with your knees instead of bending your back any time you reach down to pick something up, even if it's not heavy.

>>16700022
You definitely shouldn't throughout the day but sportsbikes aren't designed to be ridden all day. It's a compromise.

The best solution is to ride full Sonic everywhere and let the airflow support you.

>>16700022
/fit/bro here. You squat with your butt, not your knees. To strengthen your core, do deadlift.

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>>16699974
I've told you before but I'm not very fit and I've had back problems in the past with sciatica and find riding does not stress mine at all. It's all in your technique. I sit right up on the tank and never really bend my spine much, my back is nearly always up in a straight line whether I'm hanging off or tucked in.

And yes, keeping load off the controls is very important for spirited riding and what not because it allows the input to be as unfettered and as delicate as possible, the smoother you are the faster you are. Look at jorge lorenzo, he is the smoothest rider in motoGP, he will look slow as fuck while setting lap records it's so smooth and his hand will nearly be completely off the bars when taking right handers, zero pressure on the controls.

But it's not gonna matter if you take a bit of load on your hands while chilling on the highway or in traffic for a bit. Everybody does it.

>>16699974
Why the hek didn't you just get a naked like us sensible people

>>16700011
Top kek
My KLR 650 has no licence plate or licence disk.
My DL-1000 is still not registered in my name or been through road worth.
Lucky, I live in a lawless land and don`t care.

>>16699706
I'm kentuckian and his accent sounds too southern to me.

>>16700042
Because motorcycles aren't designed to be sensible. Hanging off an engine on wheels is such a lunatic idea in an age of self tensioning seatbelts, airbags and crumple zones that attempts to infuse it with sanity are a futile waste.

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>>16699045
People are still buying these new even though it's been the same shit for the last 16 years.

>>16700042
Because I can't afford a new bike and nakeds of a decade ago aren't anywhere near the performance levels of the supersports from the same time.

>>16700099
if it ain't broke

>>16700099
>>16700109
Explain the /dbt/ meme of bullying KLR 650s?

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>>16700041

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Searching for a zxr750 J.
Does anyone have any experience with them?
It will be my daily bike and yeah I know cons but I wanted this bike my whole life so...
They are really difficult to find in my area, at least with this paint job, if I find one in another colour it will be possible to get this one done?

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>>16700125
his hand is fucking bouncing

>>16699011
Basically motorcycle manufacturers have maxed out motorcycles in the physical realm. It's not like you can improve the gyroscopic properties. It's going to stay the same indefinitely. Minor tweaks can be made to the geometry (wheelbase, height, etc...) to maximize the use in certain applications but it's a fucking engine on two wheels. That isn't much of a platform to work with. Sport bike manufacturers have intentionally hamstrung themselves when it comes to power so this is a characteristic they can't really compete over since no one is going to drastically exceed that 186/300 limit.

So what is left after that?

Electronics mainly - a thing that many people would argue isn't even desired. ABS, traction control, user modes, dynamic suspension, quick shifters, (all of which BMW and Ducati had in 2010, lol) and some meme electronics that show lean angle and brake pressure being applied etc..

There just isn't anything left to do man. At least not in the world of sport bikes

>>16700124
I've heard they have a good tank, but are a bit heavy for a thumper and don't do too well on the road either.

>>16700146
>all of which BMW and Ducati had in 2010, lol)

worth noting early gen electronics all pretty much sucked, the S1000RR's in particular was known for it's awful wheelie control that sent the front wheel bouncing up and down.

The only first gen road TCS system that worked well was aprilia's APRC.

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>>16700146
I have no idea what I'm talking about - The post

>>16700166
found the FZ riding ABS shill

>>16700124
P O T T E R Y

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so broke I can't afford an oil change that is due soon atm. :(

I have a list of parts I want to buy that comes to $500ish and I might sell her.

She is on her side because I was going to install a new stator.

will be buying new plastic, seat, grips, mirrors, a new tail light, and levers. I looped it. I also need an exhaust guard to cover up a small dent.

She is a 2008 wr250x with 21kish miles. Only aftermarket parts is a shorai battery and a powercore 4.

How much would you guys ask for her?

>>16700158
Simply because aprc only comes in top tier models...
ABS on their cheaper bikes makes the rear chirp and sometimes lift

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After some looking around I found what parts I'm looking for and it appears the only website offering these is www.motorcyclespareparts.eu. Any Yuros here have experience with this site?

>>16700223
$500

>>16699027
Cool bike, have fun

>>16699110
Motorcycle Legend is a great anime

>>16699327
Be aware that there will be HP limits to prevent further avoidable tragedies. More than 2 cylinders will be banned and more than 45hp will be banned. Learner legal only.

>>16700383
>patch of carpet bolted onto the bike

Haven't seen that before...

>>16699367
>Austria, near Swiss / Italian border

>/dbt/ does Stelvio
>Literal shower of motorcycles off the first hairpin

>>16700383

That carpet has more padding than the fucking seat. Why are cafe bitches such unrelenting faggots?

>>16700390
Some anon claimed it was to keep the bike from diging into the dirt or some such.

>>16700401
>Ive never heard of flat track racing

>>16700383
how has Indian been doing with the new flat track racers?

>>16700429
As far as i know theyve been doing ok with the scout 750 tracker, though I think this year is the first time it will race the whole season.

All weather gloves get, now nothing will stop me from riding! HAHAHAHAHAHA

Winter may or may not have caused me to go slightly mad.

>>16700399
>3 guys drop their bike
>3 guys wash out on some grass
>2 can't leave the camp because the blasphemers did not sacrifice to the carb god
>2 lowside off a cliff
>1 crashes into a truck

>>16700223
probably 2.5kish in dollarydoos

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Is there any reason for me not to buy a 2017 Triumph Street Twin for my first bike? (2016 if I can find a good deal)

Getting my motorcycle endorsement in April. Figured on buying the bike after then.

6'4" and about 2010lbs. Know I'm not gonna really find a bike that fits me perfectly, but the reviewer from Revzilla, Spurg, is about the same size as me and he said it fits him well.

>>16700405
>keep the bike from diging into the dirt
Yeah, sabe dat agshun for my benis :DDD

>>16699974
no lol who the fuck told you not to use your back muscles?
weak back muscles is how people hurt their backs to begin with.

>>16700528
should be fun. wouldn't go for longer road trips on it though, lack of any aero will be tiring.

>>16700528
The odds that you drop your first bike are high, and you'll feel like shit for dropping a brand new triumph

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>>16700528
The biggest reason to not buy a new bike as your first is that you will probably drop the bike.
The Street Twin is nice, but pretty expensive compared to other entry level bikes. The Fz-07, SV650, and Z650 are almost $2k cheaper and weigh less as well.
Moto Guzzi V7 is another option, Guzzi just dropped the price.

>>16700528
Nigga, just get a nakid.

Youll get bored of those modern retro bikes quickly, weak engines.

>>16700223
>she
>her
>considering spending $500 on cosmetic shit when you just said you can't afford $20 for oil
>selling a bike because of cosmetic damage
WR riders

>>16700528
just get a UJM.

>>16700554
I know it's two different animals, but I was told the same thing about cycling and I've been racing and training for like six years now without a single issue.

I would buy used, but the used market here is so small. There's tons of 250cc "sport bikes" and cheap V-stars but nothing that looks even remotely like I'd want it. Some cheap newer rebels but their price point isn't far off from that of the Triumph.

Something to think about. I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled for anything I can find. The nearest Triumph dealer is about 150 miles away from me anyway, so I'll start expanding my search area the closer it gets to April.

Are there any other bikes that have the same look/power as the ST? I've read Ducati scrambler and maybe even the HD Sportster but they're all in the same price bracket.

>>16700558
My Triumph (older to be fair, carb model Bonneville T100) has been tuned from around 40 crank horsepower to nearly 80. They're not weak, just badly tuned. High comp pistons and some better breathing/fuelling and they're pretty good.

>>16700555
Of those the V7 looks the best to me. Gotta be honest I was attracted to the Triumph mostly for looks/Steve McQueen.

Trying to stay away from the typical sport bike look. Never much fancied them. For one reason or the other.

>>16700591
And how much did that cost, and what did it do for longevity?

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Are scooters welcome here?

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>>16700600
Still better than these guys.

>>16700598
I have receipts and dynos and such at home but I bought it as is. It's never given me any trouble except a dead ignition coil once. Owned it over 3 years, thrashed the life out of it, taken it down a 1/4 a few times, serviced it late some times, still running great. Coming up to the point where it will need the cam chain tensioner doing and the valves adjusted but that's maintenance for you.

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>>16700605
Sounds great. Have fun m8

Most irritating thing about owning a Triumph modern classic is that the rear brake calliper is mounted at the bottom of the disc on mine, so it will start binding several times a year and need the pins and calliper cleaning and greasing.

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>>16700595
I really like the way that the Street win looks, but the $9,250 price point has turned me off. For the slightly more you could get an XSR900 which is a much faster bike.
What are you planning on using the bike for, commuting, touring? Have you thrown a leg over any of the modern nakeds or the Triumph?

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>>16700620

Commuting mostly. I have a car, which I love, but I put very few miles on it because I bicycle most places. A motorcycle would replace my car for when I wanna get somewhere fast and not sweaty, and relegate my car to a winter-mobile.

So reliability is important to me. The purported 10K service interval for the triumph intrigues me for that reason.

Kicking around some fire roads and what not out here in the country side (live in the middle of nowhere).

Basically looking for fun, reliable first bike and I really like the looks of the retro-modern bikes.

The Moto Guzzi does look appealing. Coincidentally they have a few for sale at the dealership where I was gonna go look at Triumphs. I've got $4k saved up so far for a bike, or a down payment on one, so I'd only be about $2000+some haggling from being able to buy a 2015 V7 with cash. (Though, i'd probably still try to finance it for six months for that credit boost)

https://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Windy-City-Triumph-2988506/listing/2015-Moto-Guzzi-V7-Stone-118372461

>>16700655
With the Guzzi's you want to look for a V7 II, is much better than the V7

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I can't seem to lean far enough to get rid of the last little.chicken strip. How do I not be pussy dbt?

TFW riding like I drive causes me to nearly go wide on every normal turn

>>16700671
If that's the case then the price advantage is absent over the Triumph for me. The nearest V7 ii according to cycletrader is two states over and is a 2015 vs. a 2017 Triumph in my same state for the same price.

>>16700672
>How do I not be pussy dbt?
Get rid of your will to live and go ham.

>>16700685
I think I'm spoiled, I have 3 Triumph dealerships within an hour of me, and the only Guzzi dealership in the state within 15 min

>>16700672
Rear you can lean more and get rid of them but the front probably going to need to be on a track to lean that far.

>>16700715
Yeah, I'm in middle Illinois. There's triumph dealerships in the northern and southern part of the state, but it's gonna require a trip to get to any of them. That's why I wanna be pretty sure before I jump the gun. I'd hate to waste a 300 mile round trip and come home empty handed.

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>>16700672
>Last chicken strip
>A whole inch
Brrrk brrrk

Bought a pair of gloves for £65, and they just seem 'okay'.

>they fit, but are kind of loose around the thumb and palm area
>the knuckle guard looks cheap and plasticky but it seems genuine and strong
>it secures well enough around the wrist
>has nice vents on top of the fingers and a little visor wipe thing on the finger
>waterproof but breathable for summer (it really is, dipped my hand in water, kept dry
>has a fucking Swedish flag on it
>in a crash it would do its job but it still doesn't fit as amazingly well as my Revit gloves

not sure what to think desu

>>16700672
not that bad.
Relax your arms, lower your head and push the outside peg. It will go away.

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>>16699011
The speed wars happened and the busa was named king before the japanese goverment told the big 4 to stop making all these fast bikes because it was nonsense

>>16700655
There were some gearbox issues with the V7 so like another anon said, the V7 II would be the preferred model. They ironed out the gearbox problems with a 6 speed vs 5 speed

>>16700730
I would suggest you call or email them to get the conversation started before you go, get a test ride set up beforehand so you don't have to futz around when you get there.
Any accessories you looking to get? Center stands are fucking awesome.

>want an adventure bike badly

Should I get a r1150gs?

Or is it a memebike?

>>16700763
>Not getting an Africa Twin
>Not getting a bike that will actually adventure

>>16700655
>mfw there's another IL anon here
Aw shit where you located familia?

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>>16700763
Didnt you hear the news?
Adventure bikes are useless. Buy a sportsbike and offroad it.

>>16700745
I'd fuck her but it'd feel wong.

>>16700763
>not THE adventure bike
AT or bust

>>16700763
Ducati or africa twin m8.

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/dbt/ is turning it to even more shit now we a have to deal with harley cucks and beta nu-male hipster cucks everyday like if its summer already. Just ignore cruiser and cuckfe post and make /dbt/ less shitty my felow anons.

>>16700125
>>16700041
How can you keep load off the hands the moment you have to move the internal knee from the tank before a corner? Especially in downhill.
I've been trying to use a correct body positioning in corners these last two days and I think I somewhat succeded but there are things I still don't understand. And my throttle control is pretty shitty, how do I improve it, just riding?

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Dbt wyd?

>>16700869
Does that burn your finger when you take the key out?

>>16700873
I cool it off by storing it in my anus.

>>16700898
While it's still in the barrel? That sounds horrible, I hate when I burn the roof of my anus.

>>16700854
Use leathers and stomp grips, keep yourself up with your legs and back. Keep your back straight.

For better TC you must improve your lines. Read Twist of the Wrist 2.

>>16700842
Hipsters are done with cafe racers m8, they're all over scramblers and, weirdly enough, choppers now. Mark my words in a few years you won't see a single over waxed moustache on a cafe racer, it's just old guys who've been building them all along now.

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>>16700763
Don't listen to those fools, they don't know!

Get the R1150GS.

>>16700918
>keep yourself up with your legs and back. Keep your back straight.
How the fuck do you do that when you can't hold the tank with both knees? I understand when you're down in the corner and you use your external knee but what about just before?

>>16700965
put the bike on a rear stand. Get on the bike and practice moving left and right. Watch Murtanio tutorial on Youtube about this.

>>16700999
>Watch Murtanio tutorial on Youtube about this.
That's exactly what I did.
He doesn't explain this.

I could feel the air near my knee in corners, it's probably time to get pants lol.

>>16699404
no you fucking idiot you don't want a 600 blandit, or a diversion or a bros or a skorpion or . you either want the 98-04 fazer 600, or a 1200 bandit.

>>16700763
>not considering getting an F800/650GS

>>16700965
>How the fuck do you do that when you can't hold the tank with both knees?
If you're going fast enough in a corner the g-forces on the bike should help you enough. The rest is holding yourself up with your outside knee

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>tfw rained the last few days and roads are still wet

>>16700869
why does Harley think its smart to have the clutch/gearbox separated like that?

Do Harleys have 2 oil filters as well?

>>16701071
Go away cj

>>16701060
The F800GS is sadly more expensive than a 1150

>>16701071
Post sister's nudes or fuck off.

>>16700924
The problem is hipster on dbt i dont give a fuck about the bikes. Its like having niggers.

>>16701060
>>16700797
>>16700819

those bikes are way too fucking expensive and for what?

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>>16701071
Hey bb

>>16701078
Holy benis, really? Are you a euro?

>>16701073
There is no primary filter, the giod thing us yiu dont get friction plate particles frome the clutch circulating in the engine.

>>16701073
Oh and the clutch and transmission share oil. Engine is separate.

>>16701066
Sure but you can't go that fast before a hairpin and it's also downhill. I can't for sure but I'm pretty certain even more experienced riders would have trouble, unless I'm missing something.

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>>16700620
Why not pay a lot more and have it look good as well?

>>16701102
The R1150 is more than 10 years older than the F800GS.

A >2012 F800GS (the good ones) were ~€10.000 2 years ago, my 2001 R1150GS was €3500.

>>16701107
why not have an oil filter and get a lot smaller, lighter engine out of it?

>>16701112
Disgusting

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>>16701128
Disgusting that its price-tag is out of your reach?

>>16701112
Normal version looks unfinished but this actualy looks pretty good

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>>16701077
no

>>16701087
also no

>>16701097
hello fellow fag rider

>>16701112
I'd ride the shit out of it.

>>16701093
they go into the dirt and you wont die.

>>16701138
Post pics of sister cuckj

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>>16701143
Lol hey Octo

Is the guy who was hammered the other night here? Gave me some fucking laughs, I was wondering if he reread his posts the next morning

My SV650 is leaking a green liquid from under the radiator, where there is a bronze-like bolt on the right and an electrical cable connecting to the radiator. It's just a drop or two. What do?

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>>16701135
No, disgusting that they slapped a couple retro styling cues on a modern looking chassis and engine then try to pass it off as a retro bike

Pic related, how to do it properly

>>16701167
Its fuckt m8

>>16701167
HOLY SHIT NIGGER YOUR BIKE IS GOING TO EXPLODE

its probably just leaking form the overflow hose by the cap

>>16701177
>A U T I S M

yeah they should have made a middleweight sportbike more like a pigfat retro standard amirite

>>16701167
pics? Can probably be fixed.

>>16700736
The real difference between good quality gloves and cheap shit shows over time when the good stuff doesn't fall apart.

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>>16701150
>>16701150
>actively begging for photos of someone's sister on a Vietnamese mud wrestling forum
>calls me the cuck

Anon...

>>16701186
Nope, it's from that bolt.
>>16701195
Tomorrow. I've ridden it yesterday and today just fine, as I said it's just a very few drops.

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>>16701177
nigger please, the XSR900 is a stupid trimmed-down "retro" MT09, this Abarth version however is a proper sports-bike with some throwback elements.

>>16701206
>Nope, it's from that bolt.

might be a temperature sensor? Maybe just not properly screwed in.

>>16701203
Post em cuckj

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>>16701194
You can have the looks and the performance. They just chose not to. Reminds me of the 2005-2009 Mustangs. Retro styling gone horribly wrong.

Or "neo-retro" as it says on the Yamaha site.

>>16701225
that is one ugly bike

>>16699011
>(most significant is going from 5 valve to 4 valve heads and going crossplane crank with the last two generations of R1)
How is that the same architecture at all? Those are both very significant changes.

>>16701126
I imagine they want as much oil flowing through the egine as possible considering its air cooled, cutting the transmission out of the loop shortens how far the oil must flow.

>>16701213
What upgrades does the Abarth have besides a few bits of bodywork? Yamaha just says different bars, a solo seat, and a bikini fairing. The only thing more sport bike about it is it comes with an Akrapovic exhaust

Here Yamaha lists the "upgrades"
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/products/motorcycles/sport-heritage/xsr900-abarth.aspx

>>16701225
>Retro styling gone horribly wrong
That's what they were going for?

All muscle cars look like tonka toys to me.

>>16701225
How does it not have performance? Its under 200Kg wet and has 115bhp.

Its just an Mt09 with a sportier seating position and a windshield.

>>16701252
the fairing and the clipons alone make a huge difference.

>>16700798
Normal, IL

>>16701201
do you think it will be good or bad?

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>>16701257
It has the performance, which is good, but they missed the look by several miles. They just put a round headlight on the FZ09 and charged $2k more for it.

got my apartment. now it's slowing me now more than ever from ditching my gs500

>>16701295
When it first came out it also had better suspension and traction control that the Fz-09 didn't have. Yamaha just added those to the FZ-09 for 2017

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>>16701221
>>16701186
>>16701195
It's this bolt here. Not my bike.
Is it cooling liquid?

>>16701328
I thought XSR900s were MY17 and on only, or were there some 2016s?

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No bike ever had a front fairing this perfectly shaped again.

These little "horns" sticking out at the bottom of the headlight make me hard every time.

>>16701381
well if its green then of course its cooling liquid.

that looks very much like the sensor to me, try removing it to see if its cracked or something.

Remove water first i guess.

lol fuck shitbikes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUjrfOseDkE

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Considering this for a first bike. 450cc, dude selling it $2500.
I used to ride dirt bikes(biggest I had was a 250cc) when I was a kid, so I'm familiar with riding.
Anyone familiar with 80's Era Hondas and/or cafe racers? I'd be using it as a daily, maybe 40 mile commute round trip plus small distance travel around town, with the occasionally Canyon ride.
Basically, how do Cafes, in the general sense, ride? Also, I never plan on 2upping.

>>16701381
no its fine just leave it

if it starts to become worse, you can drain the radiator and reseal it with some teflon tape or thread locker or something

>>16701414
what makes you think this is worth 2500?

1500 maybe

>>16701387
XSR900 was 2016 when it came out, following the non-US XSR700.

>>16701414
he is asking too much. i wouldnt even pay 2k for that, its a cb450 with shitty "cafe racer" mods

you could get a stock one for less without the retarded uncomfortable bars and ear rape exhaust

>>16701414
2.5K is WAY too much for someone Else's problem.

For 3k you can get a 2-3 year old 300cc bike and not have to deal with carbs or drum brakes.

If it was a clean bone stock UJM that wasn't cafe'd I would consider maybe offering 1800 with a straight face and a wad full of cash.

>>16701414
Lol fucking retard beta nu-male cuckboi getting ripped off

>>16701396
>>16701419
Thanks, I think I might ask my unce for advice.

>>16701451
>1800

Its still to much for a cb450, would probably pay that for a super clean 750+ cc ujm but thats it.

>>16701426
I don't know shit about bikes
>>16701434
>>16701451
Thank you for informing me, I'm gonna try for a lower number than.
>>16701456
How am I a cuck for being new to bikes?

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>>16701477
Cuckfe racer bikes are for hipster beta nu-males cuckolds

>>16701477
no, you bring the amount you want to pay for it, duh

never pay for the asking price for private sales

>>16701414
Well that depends, there are some good cafe racers and some bad ones.

The bad ones are the overly hipstered out cafe racers. They'll be missing dumb shit that you'd find useful for a daily rider/travelling around town like an air filter or fenders. And a lot of the customization the the frame leaves the bike handling worse than it did in it's uncafe'ed state. The bars are usually pretty aggressive too so idk if that's your up of tea.

That all said, not all cafe racers are shit. But you'll most often find shit mods of cb450s that have been mutilated but cost like 6k.

>>16701477
You are a cuck not for being new to bikes but for falling for the cafe-racer meme.

Don't by a fucked 80's cafe bike as your first bike, you'll spend more time wrenching than riding, and since you don't send technical in the least that'll be a hard process to learn.

Scrape together $500 more and buy a bike made in the last 15 years with fuel injection.

Or do you enjoy looking for parts that haven't been made since 2 years before you were born?

I've been down that road, skip it.

>>16701381
you ever have problems riding in the rain with the SV? I heard that the front cylinder gives out sometimes cuz it gets all wet.

>>16701523
Never ridden in the rain, you asked the wrong person, sorry.

>>16701523
>I heard that the front cylinder gives out sometimes cuz it gets all wet.

What the shit, that's terrible.

>>16701518
women shouldn't be allowed on motorbikes

>>16701539
SVs have an habit of grenading the front cylinder because they can't get the oil in there
Just avoid whoolies

>>16701518
YBR girl?

>>16701560
How can they even sell a bike that shit?

>>16701523
I think that only happens on first gens. Just make sure the drain hole on your front cylinder's spark plug well isn't full of dirt and shit

>>16701560
They only grenade cylinders if you do extended wheelies at high angles like a negroid. its not a problem for 99.9% of owners

>>16701566
YBR girl was thicker

>>16701568
They just say it wasn't designed to do wheelies.

>>16701574
She could have lost weight. I know it's hard to tell from the limited amount of face and helmet smoosh but it does look like her eyes.

>>16701575
Not designed to do wheelies, or ride in the rain. What else can't you do on it?

>>16701576
She was on a 125, you don't just go from a 125 to a litre.

>>16701518
Principessa?

>>16701573
>extended
Nigger, how long do you think it takes for two scorching pieces of metal rubbing against each other several thousand times per minute to get completely thrashed by lack of lubrication?

>>16701586
>She was on a 125, you don't just go from a 125 to a litre.

That was almost 2 years ago. I went from a YBR to a VFR1200 in a similar period of time (I probably shouldn't, which I why I no longer ride a VFR).

>>16701590
>by lack of lubrication
I think that's the key part. Oil isn't water.

>>16701590
How long do you think it takes for oil circulation to completely stop and for all oil to evacuate the cylinder?

It really isn't a problem like you're thinking, and it has NOTHING to do with the front cylinder cutting out in the rain like that other guy was asking about

>>16701203
>being scared to post a picture of your sister like a massive faggot

>>16701629
Depends on how open the throttle is.

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Are VFR's any good?

$2000 for this one with 10k miles

>>16701654
yes

>>16701666
they look fucking tiny

>>16701667
okay, then stay a nobike and don't get it.

>>16701654
Buy it m8. Looks so fucking cool

>>16701676
already have a duccuti

>>16701654
I'd be all over that like a powerful moss.

>>16701654
Get it m8
Vfr400 + CBR tail unit is best shitbike

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>tfw this is on ebay within a mile of me
>will inevitably go really high in price

this hurts me

>>16701518
would lowside trying to impress /10

>>16701705
>sub-par unreliable overpriced Italian engineering
Why do you care?

>>16701705
Looks like hipster cuckold shit m8

>>16701718
>>16701720
shut yr fucking mouth

>>16701723
Hey it's not our fault you value novelty over quality.

>>16701718
Except Italy has the best engineers in the world.

>>16701732
Uh-huh. Germany and Japan would like to have some words with you.

>>16701741
german engineering is a meme perpetuated by americans

>le germans are so efficient

nah

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hmm needs more chrome

>>16701741
Shit educational system, both of those countries. Japan makes kids take mutiple choice tests, they're a fucking laughingstock.

>>16701767
yes, china #1

>>16701767
mongolia #1

>>16701786
That explains why the Finns are so inventive.

>>16701732
>Except Italy has the best engineers in the world.

Indeed, it's quite a wonder how good they are in designing rust buckets that pour oil everywhere.

>>16701691
Post tendies or fuck off

>>16701794
That's lack of time, funding and R&D, for what they have Italian engineers do wonders.
Give Italians the money BMW or Nips have and they'd probably make better products.

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>>16701705
>wanting an overpriced cafe racer
Atleast get the clank machines instead.

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Thoughts?

Looks dirty because apparently the previous owner literally spray painted the entire bike black

>>16701830
Fuck off cruisercuck

>>16701830
Post boipucci bby :)

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thoughts

>>16701812
Excuses, excuses.