Everyone is already so fucking used to e-nannies

this is why old cars need to be taken off the road

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I dont see the problem with these "e-nannies"

People as a whole do not have any interest in driving or practicing it safely, and as such they will never be able to actually do anything safely in an "old" car. With systems like these you simply make it less likely for the retarded people to crash into something, while those of us who wants to drive as safe and effective as possible often find these systems interruptive as they are designed to work with a person who is not paying attention and who is probably a mediocre driver at best

>>16689393
you really need to understand how uncoordinated/retarded the average person is.

A friend of mine kinda was in that situation.
She had a new car but it was in the shop and she had to use her momma's car.

She was driving and we came to stop at a signal on a hill.
Then she wanted to go again instead she stalled and the car was about to roll backwards into a brand new SUV. She was able to stop it like 1 inch before impact and started crying violently and I had to take over the wheel.

She didn't expect the car to have no hill holder and she wasn't used to drive a car without one and panicked like hell.

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>>16689433
>started crying violently
That is just one level under "oh no, I'm losing control over the car I better take both hands and hold them over my face"

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>>16689433
letting women drive was a mistake

tfw I've never driven a car with any of these things (except maybe power steering, idk what you classify as "extra strong")

tfw I dd a motorcycle with none of these things

tfw whether other people's cars have these things doesn't chap my britches

~~The Magic of a Free Market~~

>>16689396
because you are a shit driver, yes

>>16689427
Only if they're poorly trained and forced to spend 500 hours a year driving thanks to horrid city planning (read: Americans).

>>16690827
I mean at least she stopped

>>16689393
What don't you like about shorter brake pedal travel? I work for a brake company and that is one thing that we work to control. First time a drove a newer car it took getting used to but I don't really see much of a difference.

>>16690914
Shorter pedal travel=less range of braking pressure

>>16690961
Not really. You just need to have more control of your foot and break it up into smaller fractions.

>>16689433
wat

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>>16689433
Skill Level: Underaged and probably on learners permit with no instructor. A miracle how she passed.

>>16689417
The problem is that people are retarded, and these things that are supposed to help them not be retarded only makes them more retarded.

>>16689393
>hurr why isn't driving a chore

That feel when your car only has ABS and ESP.

>>16693593
How do you propose making better drivers of those who see it as a boring chore?

>>16690864
because more people die from car accidents in america each year then people do from guns.

AND WE CANT SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT GUN CONTROL BUT EVERYONE WANTS TO IGNORE THE EVEN BIGGER CAR PROBLEM

Whats even worse is that gun deaths are just gang members and thus a non issue, but half of car deaths are innocent people who were driving safely and killed by someone else being an idiot.

>>16690827
What level is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwjsHdv5hRw

>>16693427
>A miracle how she passed.
>miracle

sadly, I've seen this level way too often.

>>16693922
take their licenses away if they're really such a shit driver.

Driving learning courses and the exam should be taken on a manual car with all these things turned off.

>>16693919
>ABS
have fun trying to stop on gravel or dirt.
>ESP
I don't like the idea of psychic cars, anon. That's asking for trouble.

>>16693936

>oy vey guns and old cars are like seven gorrillion shoahs take them off the road

>>16694205
Also perhaps we should retake it every 2-3 years.

>>16689393
The anti glare is actually a good idea. I wish my car had this.

>>16689393
But its better now, because of all the cool stuff I mean.
Just like traffic lights! I like them because I don't have to think about my actions, I get told what to do and when to do it.
I like how my car tells me when I need to put fuel in it, or when I need to get it serviced.

I enjoy taking no responsibility

>>16694196
Uhuh, so constant surveillance to pick out the bad ones?

Its just the way it has to be. Even with strict education and tests you'll just have people become shit drivers again when they get comfortable and dont have an instructor in the passenger seat

>>16694257
what defines a shit driver?
For me its someone that drives in an unassertive manor or who is visibly uncomfortable with the operation of their vehicle.

>>16693922
Executions

>>16694297
Those are decent definition

I'd say mine is "someone unable to drive without impeding or endangering themselves or other trafficants & infrastructure"

>>16694313
Like this gal?

https://youtu.be/emaxtEDtUPM?t=16m30s

>>16694328
Exactly

There are way, way too many people who should not have a licence

>>16694337
It should be a lot more harder to get the licenses and a lot more focus on defensive driving.

The driving exams should only be perfomed on manual cars in order to weed out the stupid people. (Automatic would only be allowed for handicap people)

>>16689393
>Everyone is already so fucking used to e-nannies
The car manufacturers are slowly testing out the pieces of self-driving cars by introducing these things. As people use them, the bugs are worked out or the items are perfected due to feedback.

>>16689393
The anti-glare rear mirror is really helpful. I drove a LeSabre on a fairly long road trip and it had auto rear-view dimming which worked like a charm. Everything else is shitty though.

>>16694337
>There are way, way too many people who should not have a licence
Those people will drive without a license if you deny them. That's the plain truth.

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>>16694373
Where are you referring to?

Here in Norway the coursing is very stringent, with what I think is over 80 obligatory hours, and the drivers are still shit.

Here you can take the coursing & test eith borh auto and manual, but if you do it with auto you're only allowed to drive auto

We also have strict classification for different vehicles & weight/power restrictions

>>16690838
>In car with mother
>She's driving
>get's a phone call
>One hand on the wheel, not looking at the road
>it's in a zippered pocket, takes second hand off the wheel
>not looking at the road, no hands on the wheel, foot on the accelerator
>We're in the city
>I lean over and steer the car into the left hand turn lane and flick the blinker on, brake using handbrake
>didn't say anything, never let her drive again.

>>16694430
With both auto and manual*

>>16694415
Thats true. We have to find a balance between performance and obtainability

>>16694328
That can't be real. My blood is boiling.

>>16694430
I know.
I was refering to the overseas

>>16694430
Must suck to live in such a communist country. In my state you get your license when you're 16, you can drive anything you want except motorcycles and your license doesn't expire for 30 years. Motorcycle endorsement is going around some cones in a parking lot and proving you aren't a retard.

>>16694469
>living in a country where immature teens are able to drive several tonne vehicles with little to no training is great

You can't be serious

>>16693922

Bus pass.

>>16694469
And then we have much fewer fatalities and heavily injured per driven mile, even with low road standards, long winters and a high average age of the cars

Renewal is basically getting a new photo, and if required; showing a statement from your GP about you being physically fit to drive

>>16694469

This is the problem.

I say this as I also live in the US.

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>>16689393
My car has:
ESP
ABS
and power steering, that doesn´t correct my torquesteer

That car was build untill 2014.

>>16694222
Until it decides to go pitch black mode for no reason

>>16694544
>ABS
>Not threshold braking
Do you even drive? All I have is power steering because fuck parking lots.

>>16694578
>driving in parking lots
>letting your car get hit by unaware drivings and kids slamming the doors open

>>16694578
I bought my car used, and it came with the optional power steering, ABS and I think it has ESP as well, but I´m not shure.

>>16694328
HOLY FUCKING SHIT, AND SHE WON'T STOP CRYING, I'M FUCKING MAD NOW, THANK YOU ANON.

>>16694328
Why are these people even allowed to drive in the first place?
How did they get their licence?

>>16694578
>he doesn't want abs
Abs+Hicas is the best accident avoidance combo you can have. It's saved me on the open road form illegal pull outs multiple times

>>16694609
Threshold braking outperforms ABS. ABS also fails hard on some surfaces like ice. Of course, the average retard doesn't know how to handle either, so they want these things.

>>16694578
Whats so special about power steering its basically on every car after the 70s

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>>16694596
>>16694604
The driving education there is a joke

>>16694619
It makes steering at low speeds easier. That's it. Also can be a bitch to repair or replace, but engines tend to go first. Nothing wrong with having it, just added it in because the other guy mentioned it.

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>>16694620
T-this is all fake, isn´t it?

>>16694626
Sure thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mi-se6_59Y

>>16694618
You can threshold brake without activating abs. I do this on the touge all the time. Abs is for an emergency and I would be a fool to say I could get out of any of the situations i have been in without it

>>16694628
Why don´t you remove speedlimits on mountain passes and wait for the problem to solf itself?

>>16689393
SUBARU HILL ASSIST
>literally bad rev hang in 1st and 2nd gear

>>16694625
I know what it is and it helps at any speed( I have driven a lada 2107)
But hardly any cars exist nowadays that arent rusted to shit without power steering

>>16694647
>helps at any speed
No, it's almost pointless at high speeds because there is little to no resistance. The wheels are rolling so they're able to turn more freely than at low speeds where they need to slide more. This is why some systems reduce power or turn off altogether at high speeds.

>>16694132
>0:24 lets off the brakes and can steer
>0:30 dives out of the car because they're all fucking retarded
That person should have their license revoked.

>>16694688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZL6OKwQGew

>>16694688
>expecting women to know how to drive

Seriously though, the bar needs to be set higher. Way higher. Not everyone is cut out for it.

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>>16689393
>TV's have comparable to compuer complex operatings systems
>cars nowadays have computer like operating systems and have built in GPS and other measurements and monitors
>probably some other things that really don't need a computer like operating system with other measurements that really aren't necessary
Is it bad if this kind of stuff makes me concerned?

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>>16694620
The other car nonchalantly pulling out at the end is the best part.

>>16690827
>I'm losing control over the car I better take both hands and hold them over my face"

I occasionally try to trigger people by holding both hands up in the air. I have my foot on the brake of course and am ready to grab the wheel.

>>16693936
Multiple studies show that when an activity becomes less risky, people act more recklessly to compensate. The people who are the worst drivers are the ones with the safest cars.

>>16695001
Not only the safest, but the most expensive as well.

Teslas, BMW SUVs, Audi SUVs etc

>>16694620
She forgot to put her seatbelt on.

>>16689396
lolz

>>16695112
It also seems she forgot she was operating a vehicle

>Car has EFI
>Doesn't have to choke start
Curse those e-nannies!

>>16695140
>car has headlights
>doesn't have lanterns

REEEEE

>>16695112
>She forgot to put her seatbelt on.
How? All modern cars in the USA are required to have a seatbelt warning if the car is in drive. She didn't forget. She just ignored the warning light glowing red on her dash.

My car records in the log if seatbelts are worn or not. So if the insurance or police check, they will see if the belts are worn before making their ruling on why people were injured.

>>16695158
>car logs everything that you do or don't

I'll newer get one of those new automobiles

>>16694328
>sometimes I have to have a few beers to calm my nerves
>I'm a regular hit and run artist

This guy is actually dangerous. I've ran a couple of reds accidentally but I would NEVER drink and drive and I avoid speeding as well.

What's shocking to me is that this guy admits to breaking the law and endangering others. This guy doesn't need rehab, he's an old fart. He needs to get off the road asap.

>>16695158
I'm pretty sure this was in Russia.

>>16689393
I've always thought the same thing. People who grew up driving assisted cars like this will be so fucked if they ever have to drive something else. I'm lucky that I learned to drive on a stick shift F150 with hand crank windows.
80,000 miles later and I'm still driving her

>I love my anemic ugly truck

>>16695225
Cranking your own windows definitely makes you a better driver. My first car had manual windows and now I have track day every week.

>>16695169
>I'm pretty sure this was in Russia.
A lot of new cars sold in the USA have subscription services you can purchase from the manufacturer. In order to support those services, the cars have the feature built in to phone home their information.

Toyota and several other car companies have even developed a new car app system which runs only apps that they approve. This is to compete against Apple and Android apps and shut them out of the market. The car apps will do additional features and of course collect data for the companies. They may also require subscription fees.

>>16695236
I just used that as an example of how basic my truck was. I was surprised it had a CD player

>>16695342
Did you think I was being sarcastic or something? I'm serious. If you don't crank your own windows you're a cuck.

>>16689393
hill assist is nice if you have a light clutch, the rest is trash

I'm making sure my next shitbox at least has hill assist.

Backup camera if I go camaro.

>>16695418
Those backup warning sensors are pretty good. The closer you get, the more strident they get. I regret not buying the highest options for my car and getting the backup camera and sensor package.

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>hill assist
Jesus

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>driving millennial college chick home
>she starts looking around, on the door, middle console, around her seat
>ask her what she's looking for
>"the window knob"
>point to the crank

>SHE BOOPS THE CRANK KNOB

>at this point I wish the airbag facepalmed me
>"you have to crank that to get the window down."
>"haha, anon, seriously? that's funny, this car is this old?"


I can't fucking believe I am supposed to be part of the same generation like her. I refuse to believe 85s are still millennials.

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Does nobody see how these features do nothing but enable bad drivers?

My dad kept telling me never to buy a RWD car because when he was a kid learning RWD, ZERO DRIVER ASSISTS. Maybe power brakes and probably power steering. I drive an RWD car with all of the goodies (ABS/TCS/LSD/power everything) but none of the nanny-features. I've driven a manual car with a hill assist, like what the fuck, it applies the rear brakes on a hill while stopped assuming I don't know how to drive?

Ditto for lane departure garbage and radar based automatic braking systems, I find them to be intrusive to normal driving, but what about when idiots find it to be "normal" and you can drive everywhere with only 30-40% attention?

>>16695470
>Does nobody see how these features do nothing but enable bad drivers?

I keep saying the same but apparently no one seems to care.
The driver gets less and less involved in the operation of the vehicle. Then something happens and the shit driver is supposed to do the right thing instantly while he's still mentally in the process of leaving his social media posting.

The constant gear changing, doing this and that, checking windows and mirrors instead of one displays kept the driver busy and aware of the driving.

It's laughable how cars get safer and safer due to better materials, better constructions and engineering but then he probability of accidents increases accordingly due to pampered shit drivers and view obstructing elephant leg sized pillars and slits instead of windows.

I drive a 1986 car, I don't have any of those. don't even have airbags

>>16689396
>this is why young drivers shouldnt be on the road

fixd that for you

>>16695534
because your car is from 1986, duh

this thread is just a thinly veiled "my shitbox is so shit it doesn't even have power windows" thread

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>>16695526
Because you seem to be thinking that this stuff actually keeps drivers good

People
are
fucking
shit
at
driving

They always have been, they always will be. They dont use their indicators, they dont check their mirrors, they dont keep proper distance, they panic easily and so on.

You are never going to get someone to actually like/appreciate driving if they only view it as a necessary evil/tool to get to where they need to be.

If having bare-bones cars with absolutely zero equipment kept drivers good then why do we even have these things? Why did anyone feel the need to design, engineer and manufacture such gadgets if people apparently would've been perfect drivers before as they had no driving aids?

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>>16695558
I'd gladly drive one with crank windows again.
If I ever have to fix the electric windows the third time on mine I fucking swear I will install a crank and rip out that motor for good and call it a day

>>16695575

You forget what another anon already said: Those "helpers" enable shit drivers.

Of course, back then there were also shit drivers but most of them were SCARED of driving and rather let someone else drive.

If shit gets so easy, a ton more idiots get to drive who'd have never driven a car otherwise.

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>>16695603
I dont think I've ever heard of or spoken with anyone who was scared of driving because it didnt have driving aids

We're talking the late 70's and outwards here, I really dont think any considerable amount of people were afraid of driving and going
>THE STEERING WHEEL IS SO HEAVY TO TURN WHEN IM GOING SLOW"
>THE WHEELS LOCK UP WHEN I PRESS TOO HARD

We could probably argue about this for way longer than need be... I see driving aids as a good thing for the general populace. It'll keep shit drivers from killing someone who had nothing to do with anything, and it'll assist a good driver if they at one point make a tiny slip

Yes, we need better drivers eduation; especially in many parts of the world
Yes, we need more hefty punishment for people who violate traffic regulations
Yes, there does exist people who would take more risks because they think their modern car will save them from everything possible

Even still; as a whole I think it does more good than harm

>>16690847
MOTORCYCLES
CAPITALISM
FREEDOM

I love you, anon.

>>16694188
>>16693427
>>16689433
She passed because the driving test doesn't cover the common sense of if you're in a new or unfamiliar car, you go dick around with it somewhere clear before you go on the road.

Even when it snows or there's ice I test it out in the parking lot I was in to see how bad it is. See people just go right out on the road and this leads to fuckers spinning out of their own driveway

>>16689393
I dont think you understand how strict the safety standards manufacturers are faced with today

>>16695683
Not the anon you are talking to. I have no problem with driver aids as long as they can be turned off completely if I want them off.

I am also of the opinion that everyone should have to also ride a bike once in their life. To get perspective on the other side.
Fucks who pull out infront or merge into me without looking irk me to no end. Most of the time I know it wasn't on purpose, they really didn't see me. They usually say sorry. I don't want you to be sorry I want you to look at what the fuck you are doing.

>>16695683

>Yes, we need more hefty punishment for people who violate traffic regulations
No.
Tickets are already ridiculous. That's a very European way of thinking.
People should be punished for causing accidents, not for going 10mph over or doing a rolling stop in the middle of the night.

>Yes, we need better drivers education; especially in many parts of the world
No, because when the government steps in to regulate things, it becomes the people who brown nose the best that get the most approval, not the people who are the best suited or qualified.
The Pareto principle applies to traffic too, you should be revoking the licenses of the 20%. If you're too hard headed to know that you're a danger and avoid driving as much as possible, you shouldn't be allowed to keep a license.

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>>16695683
ABS. I wont argue it, its a good thing in almost all situations that isn't dry pavement (gravel need not apply)
TPMS. Its cuck-ery, but its good for the average dildo who dosent check their tire pressures, average fuel economy and such.

All of the other ones are unnessessary. I mean, even EBD effectively turns the brake pedal into a suggestion pedal. If you have an ABS modulator fail, you wont have brakes, your master cylinder isn't where the pressure in the braking system is created anymore.

Even steer-by-wire is terrifying. If you have a total systems failure on the highway then you'd have no steering, at all.

pic related, none of this makes any sense.

>>16689433
What is a hill holder?

>>16695762

People driving those will still manage to do the same retarded shit that they did 25 years ago, so what's the use?

>>16695811
>>16695811
>ABS... (is) a good thing in almost all situations that isn't dry pavement
No, you stupid fucking twat. ABS is the best on dry pavement. It's theoretically worse than threshold braking by a very small margin in a straight line panic breaking situation in optimal conditions.
But with ABS you can still maneuver while braking near the maximum, something you cannot do with threshold braking. A basic rule of racing is brake or steer, not both, and for good reason.

Abs blows absolute cock in snow, isn't ideal in rain, and is hell on ice.
In a snow storm a complete lock up will stop you in 20 feet, while ABS will glide you straight through someones house. Only fucking retards think ABS is good outside of dry pavement.

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>>16695835
So you're saying for the masses, you'd rather everybody have a p-valve set up and no ABS?

>>16689393
>emergency auto brake™
This sounds dangerous. What if someone is behind you? What if the road conditions are bad and the sudden braking causes you to spin out?

>>16695779
>Fucks who pull out in front or merge into me without looking...
I used to be one of those people, until I nearly hit someone. Never again.

>>16695820
A device for retards who can't start in first without rolling back 6 feet. It's largely unnecessary if you aren't a retard or are a retard who can use the parking brake.

>>16695875
At least you learned something and didn't kill a guy. Good for you anon

>automatics are new
wew lad

>>16695874
>What if someone is behind you?
This happens to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgL33MlPgE
>brakes so strong they cause structural failure at ~80% braking

>>16690827
J E S U S T A K E T H E W H E E L

>>16695811
>Even steer-by-wire is terrifying.

Nah, the best cars have power windows, steer by wire, brake by wire, transmission by wire, pushbutton start, and throttle by wire. That way, if you're accused of sedition, the government will have the car drive you to the nearest detention camp.

>>16697502
>alternator dies
>battery dies
>you die
I know you weren't being serious, but these types of cars are absolutely terrifying.

I think all cellular devices should just stop working on a moving vehicle, I mean they can still receive calls but no digital input should be allowed since most wrecks nowadays are either drunk drivers, sleepy drivers, distracted drivers (phone users).

Also, everybody should start using standard again because with the way that we need to shift, they would be forced to drop their phones for even just a couple of seconds in between gear changes.

>>16689393

People are innately worse drivers than robots, so these are good things.

>>16697814
Seems like a good idea, until you're a passenger in a car and can't use your phone then either.

>>16689393
>tfw want to buy a new car
>can find one without 4 tons of nanny tech

thats why I drive a 30 year old Volvo

>Cousin is in town
>she likes my shitty jeep
>"CAN I DRIVE IT?"
>cute friends with her so sure
>We all get in
>she stares at the shifter for like 2 minutes
>"what is this wheres drive"
>Yea ill drive

>>16689393
Sometimes /o/ is retarded
Not every car was developed to be tracked and spirited driven
The statistical death per day in tge use in 2012 was 92
These safety features are saving lives. I wish we still had the same amazingly designed cars but we don't, but at least it is saving peoples livea by designing them better (theres other variables but its been a very steep decline in the past years)

>>16694920
That car pretty much had no choice. The female-driven car was rolling back uncontrollably at that point so they had to drive off to avoid getting dinged/dented.

>>16689393
what is all this shit
Ive been driving the same carrerra for 30 years

>>16697887
like It's fine if she can't drive stick but "what is this" just fucking what

>>16697814
Surprised it's not illegal to use your phone without hands free in the states.

It's a fine and points on your license in the uk. I'm sure there was a study that proved it was just as if not worse than being drunk.

>>16697972
>I'm sure there was a study that proved it was just as if not worse than being drunk.
yep. And I'm sure women are 90% the issue with it.
Real talk, anti-glare rear view mirrors are nice. I always get some cunt tailgating me with his brights on when I'm already going 80. I don't mind switching lanes but fuck off you cunt.

>>16697972
>I'm sure there was a study that proved it was just as if not worse than being drunk.
Mythbusters had a TV show using Stanford University driving simulators to show that handsfree still had a lot of distraction and the drivers still got into accidents when confronted with stressful situations as compared to the control case.

>>16694725
>turn on hazard lights
>stop car on motor way
>place safety triangle 30 meters up the road
>watch the world literally end

>>16697502
Steering by wire is terrifying to me because car manufacturers cannot write software.

Most of these Canada's worst driver people need therapy for their anxiety worse than they need driver training. The rest need to start with putting all of their things in the boot before they leave.

>>16695811
>Even steer-by-wire is terrifying.
I agree but numales will counter that with "hurr, mechanical parts can break too and you won't have steering anymore durr"

>>16696944

both are retarded.

bmw driver for being a complete idiot and the truck driver because he didn't secure his shit properly.

>>16697972
>there was a study that proved it was just as if not worse than being drunk.
But its not though, because if you check a text you're distracted for what? 5 seconds?

If you're drunk you're impaired all the time.

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>>16689393
>mfw the only assist in my old ls shitbox is ABS
feels extremely good

>>16698984
How many times has your pen stopped clicking and how many times had your phone not detected your touch

>>16699059
> mfw when the only assists in your shitbox is God looking over you because your not a faggot camel jockey

>>16699087
Good point

>>16695140
>car has electronic ignition
>don't have to crank a handle to start the car

You kids have it so easy these days.

>>16699095
well i could pull the ABS but i really cant be fucked

>>16699059
too bad there's no assist to stop you wrecking the transmission on every car you own.

>>16698993
>he didn't secure his shit properly.
U wot m8? It was loaded right to the front wall and pushed it's way through it under heavy braking. Pretty obvious that nobody is retarded enough to load something like that in a way that allows it to move.

>>16696944
Why is he transporting a stack of plywood in a reefer?

>>16694725
>niggers ruin everything

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>>16699383
>Why is he transporting a stack of plywood in a reefer?
People transport the darndest things. In whatever car they want.

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>>16699383
>>16700475
(You) were your dad's unsecured load

>>16700490
heh

>>16694328
I feel bad for mike. He does not deserve this.

>>16699383
That's the norm on the I-5. Lumber goes down from Canada, produce comes back up from California.

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>>16697887
>"what is this wheres drive"
Almost as bad as my sister, who I convinced into thinking the clutch pedal was a backup brake pedal for emergencies.

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>>16696944
Of course it's a fucking BMW.

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>>16699095
Jesus is my safety feature.

What exactly is the issue with Hill Assist?
I've driven manual for 10 years and only got a car with hill assist half a year ago. It's a nice thing to have.

Are you mad that modern cars have ABS as standard too?

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>>16699055
>But its not though, because if you check a text you're distracted for what? 5 seconds?

A lot can happen in 5 seconds, anon.

>>16701163
They're afraid of their 'talent' is getting obsolete now that every modern features hill start
and/or
they need to tell others to feel better about themselves that they can do hill starts without any assistance

I find that GPS navigation is the worst enabler of them all, when it comes to people who would otherwise be afraid to drive.

You've seen those types out on the road- the ones that watch the nav so closely it distracts them. Also, the idiots who have their cell phone suction-cupped dead center in their field of vision (illegal in this state, for good reason). I guess that fear of getting lost is more prevalent than fear of mortal injury from shit driving.

People who get their asses saved by lane keep assist and automatic emergency braking are just negligent- I don't see those types as letting their incompetence keep them off the roads, with or without the computerized safety nannies.

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>>16689417
>People as a whole do not have any interest in driving or practicing it safely,

We have a solution for that.

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>>16690838
>letting women drive was a mistake

Amen! Er ... Inshallah!

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>>16694132
I thought they were using the doors as speedbrakes.

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>>16689396
>NORMIES WITH NEW CARS GET OFF OUR BOARD REEEEEEEEE
>>16694827
You should be concerned. All this unrepairable computerized garbage that doesn't need to be there is a fundamental flaw of modern products. Better manufacturing, materials and computerized design are all great but when fucking toasters have WiFi and Bluetooth they have gone too far.

>>16694604
>How did they get their licence?
They paid the DMV the fee, same as you.

>>16701449
>when fucking toasters have WiFi and Bluetooth they have gone too far.

Some Sonicare electric toothbrushes already have bluetooth in order to communicate to the cloud. That way you can track your kids' or your own brushing methods.

www.usa.philips.com/c-p/HX9192_01/sonicare-flexcare-platinum-connected-sonic-electric-toothbrush-with-app

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/6/9/11877586/phillips-sonicare-connected-toothbrush-dentist-app

The toothbrush "combines a variety of sensors in the handle to track in real time how you’re brushing your teeth. The data is synced via Bluetooth to an app for both iOS and Android. The way it works is pretty straightforward: as you brush, a 3D map of your mouth shows you which teeth you’re brushing and tells you if you’re brushing too much or too little. The app also warns you if you’re using too much pressure or scrubbing too hard. When the two minutes of brushing are up (both the brush and the app have a timer), you can see if you missed any spots."

Now the app can queue up a data packet to squirt back to the toothbrush company when your phone gets on the internet. Ha, it' be better if it sent data to the dental insurance company to raise or lower rates for those who brush properly.

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>drive my Buddy's 370z
>turn off his automatic rev matching thing
>he doesn't notice that I did it while he was riding with me because I can actually manually rev match
>laugh at him for not being able to downshift without jerking the car around when he drives it right after me and doesn't know how to turn it back on

>>16689393
>Everyone is already so fucking used to e-nannies
They are all thematic parts of what will be self-driving cars. Be glad the companies are implementing self-driving cars feature by feature instead of rolling them out all at once. This way, they get a lot of feedback to make sure these features are bulletproof parts of a self-driving car before rolling out the final version.

Why have e-nanny?

Remember, a self-driving car uses these e-nanny features too. Just like you, it is a driver. And it needs these e-nanny features not just fully debugged in actual use, but evolution improved by driver feedback. That way, the self-driving core of the car will have all these reliable and optimized e-nanny features to make use of.

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>tfw my base level 98 Jetta has some kind of computer preventing it from stalling in gear as long as the car is in forward motion

I feel like I'm in an S class guys this shit is insane.

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Damn e-assists, no one should ever use computers either, they should hand write and solve all equations and programs. Forget ANSI and HTML, we should be transmitting in binary and machine language.
01010000 01101000 00100111 01101110 01100111 01101100 01110101 01101001 00100000 01101101 01100111 01101100 01110111 00100111 01101110 01100001 01100110 01101000 00100000 01000011 01110100 01101000 01110101 01101100 01101000 01110101 00100000 01010010 00100111 01101100 01111001 01100101 01101000 00100000 01110111 01100111 01100001 01101000 00100111 01101110 01100001 01100111 01101100 00100000 01100110 01101000 01110100 01100001 01100111 01101110 00101110

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>>16705028
That fucking retard.. How do people like that even function on their own?

Modern cars a shit

>>16691017
You basically just agreed with them. Brake expert

>>16701230
If you can't do a hill start, you shouldn't have a driving licence.

>>16701311
I am constantly amazed by how oblivious people can be to where they are in relation to where they're going and where they came from.

>get a lift with a coworker to a client's office
>she's done this trip at least four times
>uses her gps
>panics when there's some roadworks
>suburb is a fucking grid

>TFW literally everything is manual in my car
>even windows, mirror adjustments, headlights
>no TC or ABS
>only a little power steering
>power steering pump died in my other car and I just keep driving it without, which is actually harder than driving one designed without PS in the first place

>>16705380
It's because their mindset has changed from thinking about where they are and where they are going. Instead, they have a reactionary mindset. They wait to see what comes up and the react to it.

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So I work at a staffing company and sometimes we get people from other countries. China, Bahamas and the like. Some of these women are enormous, claim they know how to drive but can't stay on the correct side of the road, are too stupid to pass the written (computer) exam on road signs and rules, and fail the practical multiple times. It FUCKING sucks dealing with them.

>>16694132
unfuckingbelievable.

>>16694328
I watched this whole thing. I am raging. I might watch the rest of the fucking season. Fuck you.
and FUCK Krystal. And the smug bitch Indian guy.

>>16695804
I agreed with you here, but then you ruined it here >>16695835
>A basic rule of racing is brake or steer, not both, and for good reason
Braking is specifically used in turning to shift the balance of the car. Hell, in racing brakes are just as much for turning as they are for slowing the car down.

>>16705552
>It FUCKING sucks dealing with them.
The problem is there is no durable penalty for lying. So people tell lies wherever they go to get whatever job they want. Once in, if fired, they file discrimination lawsuits.

>>16702344
>Some Sonicare electric toothbrushes already have bluetooth
Some Oral-B electric toothbrushes also have bluetooth in order to acquire brushing data

>>16689433

To be honest that is kinda scary when you're new, especially if you can't deal with stress of causing hundreds of dollars in scratch repair because you might fuck up because you're new to something.

>>16689393
i freaked out over a hill start today

I ended up accidentally revving up to 4K rpm because the car behind me was close as fuck.

fuck how much did I shave off my clutch's life? I'm getting better bit by bit since my driveway is inclined up and was recently paved so my car wants to rolls down instantly, but my clutch..

How much should I expect to replace it? $500? $1000?

>>16708435
A lot of people with manuals probably wish they had automatics due to the tailgaters.

>>16708483
nah i got full coverage

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>>16694494
This. Driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right. If you don't have the brains or motivation to learn how to do it properly then take the fucking bus.

>>16693922
self driving cars

>>16694530
It's also not a problem because you can't trust elected lawyers to do the job of philosophers and traffic engineers consulting with automotive specialists and elite drivers without ruining it for everyone

>Okay, so, no turbos until you turn 21, because turbo sounds scary!

>>16693922
better public transit or confine them to slow motorcycles to limit property damage

>can't drive? well, you're a danger to others and yourself, but you say you want freedom on the road
>here's your 125cc commuter bike have a nice day
>please come in for testing if you want something that can go 75mph

>>16708595
i fucking wish scooters/bikes for commuting were actually a thing in Canada. I'm not even worried about snow, I'm worried about other drivers.

barely anyone uses them, and half the people who do use them on the sidewalk. It's only going to be safe to ride them if everyone else actually expects to see them on the road.

>>16708435
Happens to me at least once a day. I just smash on the gas when it's a steep hill and I know I'm going to start rolling. Tailgaters are retarded. Like if I move up one inch and theu're already close, they move up too. GET THE HINT FAGGOT. Do I really need to roll down my window ans yell at them to back the fuck up?

>>16708595
>better public transit or confine them to slow motorcycles to limit property damage
they actually do this in some places. 50cc scooters don't require license so everybody who gets a DUI rides one

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>>16708698
Ah the old boozer cruiser

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>>16695835
tfw my no-abs brakes did nothing on ice and I skated into a mailbox

>>16705028
Why would you communicate in machine language? just use opcodes ya dingus, they can actually be read

>>16689396
I would have laughed at this before I came across hordes of Elon Musk ball-handlers who think self-driving cars are finally here and in %the current year% nobody should be allowed to drive.

>>16705606
I'm on episode seven. She has not gotten better. In any way. Invest in blood pressure medication.

>>16689393
they have more important things to do

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>>16694328
I LITERALLY WATCHED THE ENTIRE SEASON AND I HOPE KRYSTAL CROAKS IN HER SLEEP

>>16705347
Which is why hill starts are part of driving education and the license test.

t. Germany

>>16710883
Hill starts are part of every driving educations in first world countries

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>>16694196
>>16694373
>>16694688
>>16695804
>>16705347
>>16710883
+1 for much more difficult driver's licenses. And maybe this isn't feasable, but license tiers would be nice. Where if you test proficient enough, all stops can be treated as yields and the speed limits are more flexible. And for the abysmally inproficient, you can only drive an econobox(no SUV/sportscar) and you aren't permitted on freeways.

>>16697972
I think this is by city ordinance in the states. They'll bust you good for that in central Texas, and worse in a "school zone".

>>16693922
I've worked with a lot of people who see college education as a boring chore but go ahead and do it proficiently to get into their careers. If you don't want dentures, you brush your teeth proficiently enough. If you want to get somewhere far quickly and cheaply(?), drive proficiently enough.

Completely socialized driving would look like, what? Cairo Egypt?

>>16710915
>all stops treated as yields
At stops signs you must STOP to look to see if it's safe to drive on
Your stop sign intersections should be replaced with the priority to the right right-of-way system.

Is 'Keep to the right unless passing' even taught in the US?

>>16694725
I can't believe no one died. All these stopped cars and those people don't slow down at all what the hell man

>>16710984
Such is life in the US of A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg8Iec-uG_c

>>16694328
All these text and driving drivers I would fucking throw their phone out the window if I was the passenger.

>>16710242
I just started Ep 7. I want to stab her.
Mike ended up being cool, I enjoyed what ended up happening with him. At first I thought it was kind of bullshit that they were going to shit on him for a brain injury and just thought he shouldn't be driving at all.

RIPIP Stang

>>16710983
>At stops signs you must STOP to look to see if it's safe to drive on

Unless physical objects at the intersection create blindspots, you don't have to come to a complete stop before you can look down all the other intersecting roads. Maybe you live in a dense city where most stops can't be safely yielded and I know that feel. Right now there's a stop by my house that's like that because the neighbor insists on having huge bushes at the corner.

>Your stop sign intersections should be replaced with the priority to the right right-of-way system.
We sort of have that, but no one remembers the rule for when you do that. Right now it's just "first come, first served". Also, studies show that intersections "should be" replaced with roundabouts. Until that's feasable, drivers need to "git good". There's just too much traffic density in 2017 for driver's skills to be lax as they were in 1960 with any efficiency.

>Is 'Keep to the right unless passing' even taught in the US?
It's softly taught for driving down highways. And not enough people follow it but that's a whole different thread. I don't care if someone is doing 75 in a 70, I'm doing 90 and if you're not passing then get out so I can.

Greatfully, some cities are putting up "right lane for passing" signs along the freeway now.

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>>16710986
>Drivability is life-threateningly shit

Yes, you must still come in to work today. This negative-attitude toward work is why you got a poor review, remember?

>>16694725
What a crappy city! What were all these people looking at? Inattentive drivers take the bus or get rekt.

>>16711126
I meant that stop signs should only be put where there's things blocking the view and have to creep forward slowly and make sure it's safe to drive on.

>I don't care if someone is doing 75 in a 70, I'm doing 90 and if you're not passing then get out so I can.
You think it's okay to 'sit' in the left lane?

>right lane for passing
What the hell. This is on the british isles, right??

>>16711149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCEzEVJkO1U

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>>16694328
>problem glasses
>tattoos
>obese
>random crying

>>16701052
>who I convinced into thinking the clutch pedal was a backup brake pedal for emergencies.

anon why would you do that

>>16711178
>You think it's okay to 'sit' in the left lane?
No, no. I was trying to advocate that the left lane should be for passing only, regardless of speed. Even the law calls it the "passing lane", not the "five above the limit lane" or something.

>right lane for passing only

Wow sorry, I meant the signt reads "Left lane for passing only". Slower traffic keep on the right.

>>16711313
Oh, okay

>>16694725
>that fat black woman making those weird squeeking noises

>>16711196
>all those people driving on summer tires

How can they they let themselves do this? I hope that their licenses gets taken away from them

>>16694132

what would be the best way to deal with this?

>>16711417
Staying in the car, first of all

Try not locking up the wheels and steer out of harms way.

In this video I would have aimed for the hedge hoping that I would stop the car without damaging anything (except for the hedge itself).

>>16693427
>>16695760
She passed because the learners permit doesn't cover your ability to drive, just your understanding of the laws, you dumb assholes. It's a miracle YOU passed.

>>16711126
>studies show that intersections "should be" replaced with roundabouts
This is stupid. I'd like to see this study because there's no fucking way it's that broad. Roundabouts work in very specific scenarios, they're god awful at expandability and handling large traffic loads, and they take up way too much area. They don't work in a shitload of cases such as inside dense cities, on freeway/access road situations, highway intersections, etc.
There are much better intersection designs than roundabouts. In general and for those specific cases. Get the yuro cock out of your mouth.

>>16689433
women

>>16711744
Roundabouts are used in my area to slow down speeders on long straightaways.

>>16694328
there's no fucking way this is real... she needs to be put down for the good of the human gene pool

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>>16716115
>mfw roundabouts are a chance for dem lateral G's
>taking roundabout as fast as possible
>maximum body roll in stock shitbox
>mfw other people give me death glares for whipping around the roundabouts

>>16711438
>In this video I would have aimed for the hedge
Hedges and blackberry brambles have a lot of stopping power. Instead of driving straight through the hedge, drive along the hedge if possible. The car will stop if it's a mature old buxus sempivirens or japonica. The leaves outside are small, but the inside branches can be big and the roots are wiry.

Blackberry brambles have thorns that interlock with other canes. So a car going 25MPH might make a 15 foot dent before the canes are pulled taut enough like a net to stop the car. We have blackberry here and occasionally some cars go off the road but not far because the canes hold them. They are amazingly strong with all those thorns providing interlocks with other canes.

>>16711307
I want her to die already

>>16716953
i wonder why

>>16689417
Good points man. I think I'm ok with e-nannies and self driving cars as long as regular driving doesn't get outlawed.

How to trigger /o/

>>16718363
>as long as regular driving doesn't get outlawed.
It's the same as "outlawed" if the insurance rates rise up as the self-driving cars become the "normal rate" and the other cars become the "higher risk" rate.

Insurance is shared cost. So all the good drivers will run off to the self-driving cars (especially since they can afford it) while the poor people stay with the older cars and non-self driving cars. Self-driving cars will probably report home if they have maintenance issues, so people will be semi-forced to maintain them at the risk of losing warranty for deliberate non-maintenance despite the car telling them to fix it. This means the people who don't want that will stay with the manual driving cars. Those drivers are probably chronically poor at taking care of things which probably means they also drive with a higher accident rate.

That will further increase rates in the category of manual driving cars. Various situations will cause the higher risk drivers to gravitate to the manual cars, so if you stay with the older car, you will have higher rates.

>>16718687

Unless a law forces insurance companies to charge the same rates for human drivers as robot drivers.

>>16719036
Discrimination laws do force insurance companies to not discriminate (apply negative rates = penalty). But laws do allow them to apply positive rate reductions to groups that have significantly lower accident rates.

Hill holders aren't electronic bullshit, they're based mechanical inventions that all cars should have.

>>16720211
They do, it's called a handbrake

>carbs
>no abs
>no power steering
>no esp
>only electronic nanny is auto off turn signals

>1978 Yamaha XS400.
Based motorcycles

>>16720223
Wrong

>>16720258
How is a mechanical invention that holds the car on a hill by applying pressure to only the rear brakes not?

>>16720263
You are confusing the two. While both perform similar end results, they are both different products mechanically. In addition, the handbrake (aka ebrake aka emergency brake) requires user intervention to both engage and disengage. The hill holder function is automated and works with the transmission.

Another important distinction is that the handbrake requires the user to remove one hand from the shifter to use it while the hill holder does not.

Hill holders are also good because they encourage the use of texting and cell phones. Handbrakes use up one hand and thus do not encourage cellphone and texting. All wholesome soccer moms therefore detest handbrake usage.

>>16720211

My car has it. It's pretty neato.

>everyone is always speeding
>unless there's a police car pulled over then everyone does 20 under the limit
fuck we need to gas these retards

>>16721469
Even with new automatic transmissions, I like how they don't really let the car slide backwards on a hill like the older automatics did.

why did I buy a manual so I can work towards to being as smooth as driving an automatic

what is actually the benefits of this since I'm going to have to replace the clutch as well which would cancel out how the transmission is "cheaper" to replace than an automatic one

I mean if the transmission goes out on this used shitbox I have, I'm just going to get a new one.

What do I do with this manuel car I have for now

I really want an anti glare rear view mirror for my car. Idk why a 2014 mustang comes with an incredibly standard rear view mirror :|

>>16693593
Non-argument. Roads are already full of dumbshits who never learned how to drive properly in the first place, and to complicate things those same people almost always view having to pay attention, drive conscientiously, or follow traffic laws as an unreasonable punishment. That's why road deaths are one of the highest indices of preventable death.

I'm perfectly fine with nanny-cars. I'm fine with self-driving cars. I'm even okay with having to pay more in insurance to operate a non-nanny, driver-operated car, since--if the self-driving/nanny car works as intended--that means that eventually you'd probably only have to have insurance for non-nanny cars anyway, and it won't be that expensive by that point.

>>16694469
Yea, not having your wife get killed by a 17 year-old in a T-bone because they blew the redlight sure sounds like a shitty way to live.

>>16694991
what a fucking faggot lmao

>>16701449
>all this unrepairable computerized garbage
>COMPOOTA I S HAR HOW COM ALL THIS TUFF WUT IS CODE?

Jesus christ, people who refuse to modernize shouldn't be allowed to vote. You can literally learn this shit in a handful of hours with youtube and google.

>>16695469
Don't get smart at some girl who didn't grow up in poverty like you did, because that's the only reason you even know what a crank handle is. Anyone with enough money has had power windows since the late 80's.

>>16690884
Can't hear you over our $2/gal gas, and no restrictions on what fucking vehicle I want to own at 16.

Enjoy your 6 foot wide roads tho.

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There's only one assist I need in my car.

>>16689393
Lane keep assist is great for long highway driving, but the forward collision shit usually gives you false positives so I always set it to the closest distance to trigger it.

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>>16724038
It's too bad that Lane Keep Assist is not as accurate as the ones alaska snowplow drivers use. Those are able to navigate the marked roadway despite it being covered in snow and ice and even during a snowstorm.

The accuracy of the course information is 3cm (three centimeters) because the fast CPU computer gear in the truck is able to calculate a more accurate value of location from the GPS satellites. Makes you wonder if the police know where your cellphone is due to its GPS. It can take its time to calculate a more accurate location value every minute instead of the snowplow that has to have accurate values immediately.

reference: Modern.Marvels.S18E17.Alaska.720p.HDTV.x264-REGRET

Alone in the snowplow in the harsh alaska environment, the roads have to be kept open. So those giant snowplow machines have a lot of Nanny Power not just to do the job, but also to keep the driver alive in avalanche country.

>>16724762
Personally I've only drove two cars with the lane assistance which is my car an Acura TLX and a loaner Volvo XC90 with Pilot Assist 2. I don't think those two are too horrible at keep you in the lane, but I always hold onto the wheel just in case it decides to kill me. I wonder if the tesla system is more advanced.

>>16723024
>no restrictions on what fucking vehicle I want to own at 16.
Children can own vehicles and even companies here in the USA even at the age of 5 years old. They just can drive those cars legally or work in the business legally at that age.

>>16724927
>5 years old are legally allowed to drive cars

right

>>16727085
>own

>>16727127
>They just can drive those cars legally or work in the business legally at that age.

I didn't catch that you miswrote. I'm fairly certain that that 'can' is supposed to be a 'can't'. Am I right?

>>16722989
The fact of the matter is that electronic circuits are more delicate than mechanical components and are much more complex, which multiplies the number of possible things that could go wrong with them. In the case of automobiles it's better to keep it simple and use electronics scarcely.

>>16727085
:|

>>16727282
?

>>16727305
I missed out on why I'm five.

>>16694222
>I wish my car had this

It's called pulling or pushing the little lever on the mirror that turns it darker

>>16694430
>80 obligatory hours

That's ridiculous. It's 16 here and that's plenty enough for non-retards. Bad drivers can always choose to get more, just make the driving test harder instead of bothering everybody else with endless expensive mandatory hours.

>>16727493
The rough-80 hours are stuff like the pre-courses, theory courses, the most essential driving lesson hours and such. You're not automatically allowed to take the test after them, but only when the driving instructor feels that you are ready

>>16727523
Typical Scandinavian communist bullshit.

>>16727535
>proper driving education covering many subjects and such is a bad thing

Ever since I switched from a hatchback to a sedan I wish I had a parking sensor, I can't see where the car ends.

>>16727567
Don't you have side mirrors?

>>16727562
>Come into driving school already knowing how to drive (most males not raised by single moms do)
>Oy little goy, first you need to take 80 fucking hours learning what you already know, at a low price of only €70 per hour (I'm guessing, it's Norway)! Only then may you take the exam, unless you driving instructor thinks he hasn't gotten enough money out of you yet

nah fuck off

>>16727570
In which you can't see at all how far your back is from the other car's front? Maybe if you turn the mirror all the way down but I'm not adjusting my mirror every time I parallel park.

>>16727589
Know how to drive is more than just pressing the gas pedal and brake pedal. There's the clutch and gear stick, which complicates it a bit. We have a huge focus on cooperation, flow and safety.

>>16727598
>Maybe if you turn the mirror all the way down

Why do you have them adjusted into the sky? Are you looking out for aircrafts or what?

>>16727625
nah I was looking out for your mum

>>16727638
You would have had the mirrors adjusted for the ocean then, not the sky

>>16727589
Well, give us your suggestion that makes it better while keeping or improving the quality of the drivers

>>16727654
Drivers who have accidents should go in for retesting. There is a fee for retesting.

DOT should get some simulators. They have mirrors. Various cars are put on the screen and the driver has to observe them and indicate when he sees them as he reverses out of his parking spot. Other tests can be added based on what the accidents are in that part of the country.

>>16694328
REEEEEAALLY don't like Canadians

>>16727654
Drivers that get moving violations should be forced to take the written driving exam again but with a HIGHER required score to pass. Obviously the minimum score before was not stringent enough

>>16718349
>I want her to die already
Troublemaker drivers need to have their own insurance rates instead of hiding as a domestic partner insurance rate. Or set the insurance rate of the domestic partner rate to be the same as if the troublesome driver was the main driver instead of being the part time incidental driver.

>>16694725
Too many people driving while using drugs. I'm not talking about opiates or other narcotics. There are a lot of mental health drugs that are prescribed in cocktail fashion because a mixture of them works when one of either does not. Some cocktails use three different drugs at close to max dosage.

The problem about the mental health drugs is that users of certain cocktails become inattentive drivers. Yet they still drive. So you can end up with wrecks when you don't expect them to occur in common sense situations.

>>16727562
>proper driving education covering many subjects and such is a bad thing
Harder driving tests got a discrimination lawsuit in california decades ago. Ever since, it is easy to get a drivers license. Meritocracy is a bad word in liberal areas, so you won't find driving exams anything more than superficial tests.

>>16732967
>no one feeling left out is far more important than traffic safety

What has this world come to?

>>16732967
They're still racist because driving tests require you to be able to read and blacks are 1000% more likely to be illierate than whites.

>>16695880
I just get near the biting point with the clutch and turbo release brake and mash gas while lifting the left foot. Sometimes accidentally turbohoon. But my clutch is fucked up in my peugeot 106 anyway. You literally get a muscular left leg.

>>16722989
>You can literally learn this shit in a handful of hours with youtube and google
The "you can teach yourself advanced physics in 2 days with youtube" meme is one of my favorites.

But seriously, you can literally learn auto programming in under 30 minutes.

>>16733876
>They're still racist because driving tests require
It's tough requiring anyone to do anything nowadays. Discrimination laws only need the accuser to meet the requirements to file a lawsuit. Those requirements are far below the evidence level needed to convict. But if successfully filed, the federal government takes over and pays for the costs. The defendant however must pay for their own costs. This makes discrimination law an asymmetric weapon.

>>16722994
There's a fundamental lack of logic or critical thinking if you can't figure out "I need to crank that thing that looks like a crank." It's not ignorance from a particular lifestyle, it's an inability to learn.

>>16695575
It kind of is a necessary evil for 99% of people who go the same route, have to deal with traffic and never actually have an open road

>>16727523
I wonder what stopped the USA from doing something similar to reduce the problems. There's obviously so many bad drivers. Something needs to be done.

>>16693936
And all these dumb assists are just going to make people think its OK to text and drive all the time.

"Oh its OK my car practically drives itself!"

>>16694188
>>16695760
The majority of "drivers ed" is dont drink and drive and heres the consequences of drinking and driving.

The class portion is complete bullshit. At least my instructor was chill and made the 2 hours a week of driving time not a bore.

We didnt learn how to parallel park, didnt learn how to change a tire, nothing manual transmission related. Nothing bad weather or avoiding accidents related. Didnt even learn how to check the oil.

It was all dumb shit about who has right of way in the weird intersections and DONT DRINK AND DRIVE LOOK AT TIMMY HE HAS TO EAT THROUGH A TUBE.

>>16698984
Its pretty hard to break a 1 inch thick steel pole suddenly. If something is wrong with it, you will likely notice it and pull over long before it fails.


Meanwhile, 1 line of code or one dodgy connection can cause entire loss of steering.

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>>16695469
>not having power windows
is this your car?

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>>16690884
>>horrid city planning

>>16701052
>going too fast down a hill
>press clutch in since its the backup brake
>car goes even faster since its no longer engine braking

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>>16693919
>tfw no abs, tc, powering steering, airbags in a dd
yea i want to die asap

>>16737094
If his sister dies, that is one less person to claim inheritance!! Win! Win! This is a capitalist society after all.

>>16737089
You say that like it would be a bad thing. I'd love to have that car.

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>>16694328
>this thing was allowed on the roads

>>16695880
This hill assist crap is really annoying.
>took car for service at dealer
inb4 faggot, it's still under warranty
>gib me refresh of my car model to use for the day
>poached manual for new car just for lulz
>at lights on a hill
>engine cuts out wtf
>realise its one of those annoying istop things
>can't drop clutch to slow to a stop and then go back on clutch as the car is about to roll back without fucking juddering and shit
>starting off from another set of lights on hill
>give extra gas because hill
>car doesn't move for half a second then suddenly launches
>fucking what is going on
>look at manual, it's got a ton of these hill stop istop irev ifuckingdontcare crap
>pretty hit and miss, sometimes on a hill the car would just park itself if not in gear
>other times it wouldn't care and roll
>don't carry spirit level so can't determine cutoff for every single gradient
At one point I put the car in reverse at the lights because the fucking reverse is right next to first despite being 5 speed. Pretty stupid seeing as you don't lift the bottom or whatever like in some cars for protection against accidentally going in reverse.

It took some adapting but I felt like I barely passed my test the whole way through.

>>16737064
>The majority of "drivers ed" is dont drink and drive and heres the consequences of drinking and driving
Bullshit. The vast majority of mine was actually learning the traffic laws and what to do in each driving situation. Covered weather in one or two classes but honestly not enough to stick with you.

>>16694328
why would mike's wife do this to him, seriously the dude has brain damage. He can drive just slow. Fucking assholes.

>>16694469
Pretty low bar to set for not being retarded. Burgers heh

>>16737089
I wish.

>>16695880
As someone who's driven a manual for 11 years and never had issues doing hill starts, hill assist is a nice thing to have. Bitching about it is like bitching about cruise control. It's just a convenience.