4runners in the usa

Pls

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>>16661640
Lol jeep.
Youre obviously trolling.
The toyota destroys cherokees and you wont convince anyone otherwise.

>>16661640
The drive line rarely has a component failure, its light and has good cargo room.>>16663430
>>16663430
That's why there is a "Toyota" spec in BOTD huh?

MOAB!!!!!!!

>>16663817
thanks for the explanation

>>16661640
>>16663817 me
forgot to add that they have better manners on the road then xjs but the ifs is a weak point when used hard off-road. Specifically the ball joints.

>>16664004
yeah i was about to say that people do solid axle swaps. imho the xj is cheaper and easier to work on for use as an off road vehicle.

>>16663430
thats not an xj.

for the cost of an SAS i could buy and build another cherokee.

Cherokee>XJ
I have a lot of experience with both btw

>>16664601
lol I need to go to bed
Cherokee > 4Runner
Fuck.

>>16664608
lol

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>>16664608
>trip
>says bad stuff is good
Normal day on /o/

>>16666201
>4runner
>good
No, ifs a shit

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>>16666355
Ifs is superior for EVERYTHING
except driving over large obstacles
Which a VERY small percentage of people do.

Also jeep diffs are known to explode

>>16666364
Sorry man but that is not true.
The are less prone to failure
cheaper to maintain
easier to swap gears and install lockers
Stronger by a significant margin
Are easily upgraded to significantly larger sizes
IFS is always better at higher speeds or on for handling in general and most light off road applications.
I have a SFA truck and an IFS Truck so no bias here

>>16666604
>lockers
>swaping gears
Things crawlers do and no one else
They arent stronger either.
They arent difficult to maintain
They handle better, they ride over bumps better, they are more stable at high speed.
Things 99% people do with a vehicle
No one needs solid axle

>>16666650
I was gonna say you were in the wrong thread, then I realized this isn't /org/

So yeah the 4runner is the better mall crawler for sure. Well, except that Toyota tax.

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>>16666666

>>16666666
fuck you

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>>16666666
Another milestone complete. Right. Back to the grind...

>>16666666
>worst get ever
People will never reach the full capability of a 4runner to the point it needs mods.
In which case they would have bought something better than a jeep too.

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>>16666666
CHECKED

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>>16666666
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

THAT WAS FROSTY'S GET

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>>16666666
Checked

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>>16666666

>>16666604
>The are less prone to failure
That's a very generalised statement, but you can't really argue a live axle's simplicity over a pair of half shafts,especially with the XJ's uni joints. In practice though, CV boots are easier to upkeep over swivel hub seals typical of most live axle fronts, and a CV boot only has to protect the CV, not seal up the whole differential.
>cheaper to maintain
This is false. As of above.
>easier to swap gears and install lockers
Blatently false. There's no difference in installing diff centres.
>Stronger by a significant margin
Another generalisation, but in the comparison of an XJ and a 4Runner, I'd favour the torsion bar 8" Toyota front end over the XJ's D35.
The biggest drawback of an independent design is the geometry limitations when looking at changing ride height. There are options such as diff drops (that's before you take control arm mounting location into account) which help correct half shaft angles, but ultimately it's a much more complex job than lifting a live axle, and is a lot more hit and miss with results and usually involves a lot more in the way of compromise.

>>16661640
>living in a housing tract full of hideous beige chicken-wire-and-spackle McMansions

kys

>>16666650
IFS is better for prerunners and pavement princesses. That's it.

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>>16668314
Shut up moron

>>16668314
I find the only flaw with an IFS truck is slighty limited articulation for taking poser Facebook tier photos parked on a rock. In the real world out in the forest on the trails however, they loose little on a solid front axle option in terms of capability.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cars-owners-speak-out-on-5-least-reliable-cars/

>Cherokee 3rd most unreliable vehicle in the USA

Here's a guy who wrote an article about how reliable his xj with 215k miles is

>The Jeep 4.0L H.O. has been praised by countless automotive journalists for its insane reliability. It could have a rod knock and still get you all the way home. It could be running 90* under the proper operating temperature, with vacuum leaks, a bad fuel injector, and still get you home (ask me how I know).

Wait, why is it running cold, with vacuum leaks and a bad fuel injector? I've had old Toyotas with more miles that never had any of those problems.

I think the only people who say the Jeep is better are people who still think it's necessary to wrench on a car and that that is just part of ownership. Things break, you replace them. Ok, but the Toyota, you just fucking drive it. Put gas in it and change the oil. That's all you have to do.

>>16668345
>IFS on an easy trail proves that IFS is better on for trails
Okay guy.

>>16668355
The extra articulation is far better than just a locker as far as traction goes and it's immensely helpful with predictability. Sure, you can usually get to most of the same places with an IFS rig but you'll generally be looking for easier lines and you'll need to take a lot of obstacles slower than a comparable SFA rig due to the reduced suspension travel. A slight weight shift with SFA and a ton of travel can be absorbed by the suspension. If you've got an IFS vehicle with one wheel a foot or two off the ground, there's no resistance to that weight shift until that wheel hits the ground, at which point the vehicle has gained rotational momentum making a rollover much more likely.

IFS being less capable usually doesn't mean it's not going to be able to follow SFA, only that it's going to be pushed closer to it's limits doing so and the driver is going to have more difficulty.
And then there's the fact that SFA is generally stronger and far easier to upgrade for even more strength.

Generally speaking, SFA is just better. That doesn't mean you can't use IFS.

>>16668157
I think they're apartments m8

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>>16668410
Keep lying to yourself to feel superior
Youre a moron
Maybe 1% of people off road (rock crawling) NEED SFA
No one cares about driving over a rock at a snails pace.
Its stupid.

>>16668419
w/e

i fucking hate beige buildings

i hate beige

>>16668428
At least he made an argument


>>16668443
Noted :^)

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>>16668443
faggot

why the fuck does everyone do a SAS conversion if the IFS is so much better? Pretty sure OP is talking about wheeling, and not just driving to school.

2500$ for a 4runner plus 1000-1400$ for a SAS conversion you could have purchased a cherokee for 1000$ and had 2-3000 for mods.

>>16668462
Some people are dumb (sfa people)
The jeep is for poor rednecks and is truly a terrible vehicle

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defend this. EVERY single toyota truck ever.

I'm just gonna sell it to some retard for more than it's worth because 4runner people will buy anything that rolls.

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>>16668489
Defend this. EVERY single cherokee ever.

>>16668505
you got me. I have no words left.

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>>16666666
CHECKED

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>>16668489
>every Cherokee ever

>>16668428
SFA being better doesn't mean you need SFA.
It just means it's better.

>>16668711
At one thing. That very few people do.
No one cares

>>16663817
>The drive line rarely has a component failure
Like an XJ unless you do something retarded like floor it at full lock?
>its light
XJ is a good 700 pounds lighter
>and has good cargo room
So does an XJ.

>>16661640
4runner is better but I would still sell it unless you really like it. You could probably make $1500 or so off of it and since you already have XJs then there isnt that much of a point.

>>16668731
IFS is only better at conefagging and prerunning, which very few people do.
No one cares.

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>>16668764
Nearly the most stupid thing ive heard in this thread

>>16668410
>Generally speaking, SFA is just better. That doesn't mean you can't use IFS.
While that's true, the advantage in factory applications isn't as pronounced as others would like to have you believe, and in the case of the 4Runner vs. XJ, I'd wager the Toyota to have greater overall articulation than the Jeep taking into account the rock hard leaf sprung rear end of the XJ (ever see all those XJ fleks pics where the front carries a huge angle and the rear stays close relative to the body?). Where the Jeep is of an advantage is if you intend to run a lift of 4 inches or greater. There's no getting past the modabilty of a live axle.

>>16668410
>generally speaking sfa is better
At ONE thing. That a very small percentage of off roaders do.
IFS is superior in EVERY other situation.

>>16668906
>While that's true, the advantage in factory applications isn't as pronounced as others would like to have you believe
100% factory there isn't TOO much difference between comparable vehicles.
However it's much easier to get extra travel out of SFA than it is out of double wishbone IFS.

>>16668921
>IFS is superior in EVERY other situation.
Such as?

>>16668906
Having said all that, in OP's case were he runs multiple Jeeps, is probably familiar with wheeling and wrenching on Jeeps, I'd say he'd be silly to invest in the 4Runner other than flipping it as suggested, heck without being vested in either I'd sooner choose an XJ over a 4Runner for various reasons.
It's the same reason I predominantly run Mitsubishi Monteros these days, similar serviceable parts and all covered by the same workshop manual.

>>16668994
>However it's much easier to get extra travel out of SFA than it is out of double wishbone IFS.
Yep, modabilty especially when talking increased ride height.

>>16668787
that's not even challenging and SFA would do that better

>>16663430
AMC =/= Chrysler

>>16661640
Post 2-3 pics of underbody plz

>>16663430
>>16666201
>putting anything 35"+ on a dana 30 and expecting it to hold up

user error

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>>16668921
>IFS is superior in EVERY other situation.

>>16661640
body on frame

convert it to SAS and upgrade axles and you'll have a better platform than an XJ. nobody said it was cheap though, it will be more expensive the a cheap XJ wheeler with moderate mawds.

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>>16668505
>EVERY single cherokee ever.
Disproven

>>16672993
>rear end flexes less than an IRS
>XJ faggots will actually defends this

>>16673827
I guess the Jeep fanboys don't want to defend this. It'd be hard admitting your vehicle overall has less flex than an IFS equipped vehicle, regardless of arbitrary axle configuration I guess.

>>16673827
>worst example of SRA
>just as much flex as best example of comparable IRS

>>16673827
>rear end flexes less than an IRS
what did he mean by this?

>>16673827
Well, Obama's IRS flexed quite a bit desu, it was bent as fuck

If we're talking 2nd gen 4runners a xj probably would be a better platform for offroading. 3rd gens on the other hand are way better as than any jeep

>>16674117
>worst example of SRA
It's the exact example of the thread content you fucking genius.
>>16674159
>what did he mean by this?
Exactly what he said you fucking genius.

>>16674877
>Exactly what he said you fucking genius.
nah, he had to be sarcastic
there's no way that's what he meant by that

>>16668921
>IFS is superior in EVERY other situation.
At handling power and maximal torks?
no.

Boom. BTFO.

>>16675125
Why couldnt they handle power?
Some of the fastest cars in the world use CV axles.
Rock (mall) crawling doesnt require power either

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>>16663855
HECK YEA REDDIT!!!!

>>16675186
>Why couldnt they handle power?
The joints, even on some moderately large solid axles, are not made to handle the stresses of turning large diameter tires. Do you really expect diffs on independent suspension vehicles to have stronger joints than purpose built offroad vehicles when they are AWD only for the ski market? And those fastest cars are not the most reliable cars. Fastest until failure is the norm on performance vehicles. Reliability is a solid axle, a carbureted pushrod v8, and no sunroof.

>>16675230
Its as if words just fell from your ass

>>16675307
https://youtu.be/soup06jz6vA

But for real tho, drivelines on cars with independent suspensions can't handle torque nearly as reliably as solid axles, because their applications don't require it.

>>16675230
The joints in IFS applications have to handle a lot more angle and strength decreases as angle increases.

>>16675601
Hence why I said they were weaker.

>>16675608
>arguing a point that doesnt matter off road
Wow its nothing

>>16675692
joint strength definitely matters in off road applications with oversize tires and varying traction

>>16675692
Angles Increase stress
Doesnt matter offroad
WTF are you saying? That is where it matters the most. That is where you will stress the vehicle the most.

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>>16675230
>lolpushrods
can't make this shit up, stay delusional gm fags

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>>16676917
>toyota vs jeep
>gm
????

>>16677158
actually thats chrysler, but whatever

Keep 4Runner sell Jeeps. Lots of profit, plus you got an actually reliable SUV. (unless you by chance got an SRT8)

>>16676917
What's really funny is when Jeep fangirls actually believe the 4.0 AMC is a great motor. They go all shy and quiet at the mention of Toyota 1FZ.

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>>16679620
>They go all shy and quiet at the mention of Toyota 1FZ.
>this is what toyotafags actually believe

>>16679620
Only available in the land cruiser

>>16680660
Great substantiated retort.
>>16680685
Roger that.

>>16681707
>Great substantiated retort.
nobody cares about your meme engine faggot

>>16682987
>meme engine

>>16684599
>implying it isn't
A big block chevy will mop the floor with those shitty toyotas with a lot less money spent on it

>>16682987
>meme engine
>>16685792
>this irrelevant example is better
Serious question, do you suffer regular strokes and find it hard to concentrate on something for longer than two minutes? I think you may suffer from serious brain damage.

>>16686097
>being this mad that a lolpushrods timed engine is superior to your dohc
can't make this shit up lole

>>16686184
pushrods are simply superior, why do you think most american car manufacturers use them in their performance cars?

>>16686184
>being this mad that a lolpushrods
I don't give a flying fuck as to whether something has pushrods or not. Is this some sort of asspained GM fangirl spilling over into an irrelevant discussion?
My point is the AMC 4.0 is an outdated underachieving bucket of snot, regardless of arbitrary valve train design.

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>>16686383
lmao

>>16686572
Allow me to redirect you
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>>16668505

>>16686728
most of those are user error, stay btfo

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>>16686383
>>16686184
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>>16685792
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>>16680660
Its like you people don't even own cars.
The flame wars are good tonight.

>>16686793
all me

>>16687259
lies, I made some of those

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I'd say you need to specify 2nd or third gen 4Runners, but in either case:

4Runner has both an overall higher quality of build, and heavier duty construction for better overall durability of the vehicle as a whole. Yes 2nd gens rust like crazy, but then so do XJs. 2nd gen 3.0L V6s have a propensity to blow headgaskets, Jeep 4.0Ls have their own issues with cracked heads on certain years, short lived cooling systems, issues with low oil pressure. 4Runners fit larger tires and have more clearance from the factory, and can fit 32s stock. 4Runners have skid plates from the factory as well, not sure if XJs do.

2nd gen 4Runner has more cargo space, 3rd gen 4Runner has more everywhere space.

3rd gen walks all over the XJ IMO, except for power to weight ratio. But doubly so the durability/reliability aspect (much better rust-proofed as well), the 3.4L 5VZFE is GOAT-tier. Available rear locker ups the ante off road big time.

I will end with this video:
https://youtu.be/YYDkQuP3HAs

Good luck getting a stock XJ through that.

>>16690273
kek, is that supposed to be impressive? That's motor trend testing range rovers tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccxy_V8hwhY

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>>16690340
>poor rednecks destroying a worthless jeep
Sure showed me

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>>16690340
You know, people talk a lot of shit about the jeeps but I'm pretty sure they'd rather have a XJ than a toyota when SHTF

>>16690434

No, I'm pretty sure the entire world already decided that Toyota is the go-to for that kind of environment.

>>16690340

A stock XJ would not have made it, or at least nowhere as easily/gracefully.

>>16690788
>>16690795
delusional toyota fangirls everyone

>>16690434
That's why Jeep is the go to global SHTF military light vehicle... Oh wait
>>16690893
Nice substantiated retort

The amount of butthurt over the superiority of the XJ is fucking hilarious in this thread. Some dude literally crawling the internet for pictures of broken XJs in a desperate attempt to defend the toyota's honor.

It's worse than white knighting, the toyota can't even sleep with you. It's pathetic.

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>>16690893

Prove me wrong nigga.

Find a single pic of an XJ used in a combat zone.

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>>16691057
toyota cucks absolutely btfo

>>16691100
That's a question of availability. Toyotas aren't used by sandniggers because of how good they are, they're used because of how common they are.

>>16691141
>that's a question of availability
Are you implying XJs aren't available globally? Sorry bud, they are, and they don't compete favourably with the Japanese competition.
>>16691057
Nice substantiated retort

>>16691341
Lol, even those bucket of shit Land Rovers win favour over Jeeps.

>>16668409
KL =/= XJ
Of course the new cherokee is shit. It's FCA garbage.

>>16691341
>Are you implying XJs aren't available globally? Sorry bud, they are, and they don't compete favourably with the Japanese competition.
They aren't nearly as available as the Toyotas around the world, not everyone can afford a Jeep outside of North America.
>>16691379
top kek

>>16691380
>FCA
>garbage
Reminder that both the Charger Hellcat and the Giulia Quadrifoglio are FCA products.

>>16691985
>They aren't nearly as available as the Toyotas around the world
They are just as available as Toyotas to the people that wish to order and purchase them new. They generally don't because they're outclassed and not as fuss free as your average Japanese branded shitbox pickup.
>not everyone can afford a Jeep outside of North America
What makes you think they're more expensive to begin with?
>>16691995
This. If anything, the general quality of Chrysler products has increased since FCA bought the brand from Daimler.

>>16692091
>They are just as available as Toyotas to the people that wish to order and purchase them new. They generally don't because they're outclassed and not as fuss free as your average Japanese branded shitbox pickup.
Wrong. You can get a top of the line brand new 2017 Hilux for 44k in my country. A brand new 2015 model year Cherokee is 57k. A brand new 2017 model year Cherokee is 99k.
24k gets you a base 4x2 Hilux. 30k gets you a 2006 Grand Cherokee. Jeeps are only cheap in the US or the countries that have FTAs with the US. Toyota has factories everywhere. Not everyone who buys a Toyota can afford a Jeep.
>This. If anything, the general quality of Chrysler products has increased since FCA bought the brand from Daimler.
I was talking performance, not quality. You can't simply call the fastest sedan in the world "garbage".

>>16692210
>A brand new 2015 model year Cherokee is 57k. A brand new 2017 model year Cherokee is 99k.
Sounds as though you're confusing Cherokees with Grand Cherokees. Grand Cherokees pf which compete in the middle ground between the J150 Prado and J200 Landcruiser elsewhere.
The no frills Cherokee has always been a 4Runner (think modern Fortuner) competitor.
>I was talking performance, not quality.
I'm talking both. And I was anything but calling it garbage. I think you missed the context of that reply.

>>16691011
>That's why Jeep is the go to global SHTF military light vehicle... Oh wait
>>16690788
>No, I'm pretty sure the entire world already decided that Toyota is the go-to for that kind of environment.

AM General is the go to SHTF military vehicle.
GM is the go to support military vehicle.
Mercedes is in some places with the G series.
Even Land Rover in other places.
In the past, Jeep, Ford, and even Dodge have played these roles.
Toyota is the go to for goat fucking terrorists that think suicide bombing against the nonbelievers will earn them 72 virgins in heaven, and the only reason they use it is because it's the most common cheap truck platform in their area. The middle east is not "the rest of the world" you delusional toyota fangirl.

>>16692292
>Sounds as though you're confusing Cherokees with Grand Cherokees. Grand Cherokees pf which compete in the middle ground between the J150 Prado and J200 Landcruiser elsewhere.
>The no frills Cherokee has always been a 4Runner (think modern Fortuner) competitor.
I know, but people were posting ZJs in this thread to attack Jeep. Also the Cherokee might be slotted under the Grand Cherokee, but I wouldn't call it "no frills". Maybe the Wrangler.
>I'm talking both. And I was anything but calling it garbage. I think you missed the context of that reply.
What I'm saying is that quality was good even before FCA.
>>16692561
>and the only reason they use it is because it's the most common cheap truck platform in their area.
this
>The middle east is not "the rest of the world" you delusional toyota fangirl.
they're also pretty common here in South America tho
Also I'd rather take a Jeep than a Hummer, according to the guys working in the motor pools they're shit.

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>>16692292
>>16692676
lmao

>>16692676
>Also I'd rather take a Jeep than a Hummer, according to the guys working in the motor pools they're shit.
Everything is relative. I couldn't even image how short the lifespan of a 4Runner or Cherokee would be if it were expected to do the same thing the HMMWVs are doing.
Some yuppie putting 300k on his Tacoma picking up groceries is going to be much easier than 18 year olds fucking around in a 15,000lb armored truck that none of them own for 3000 miles.

>>16692723
That's true, but the complaints mostly had to do with the engine reliability which would be the least affected part. After all, city miles are harsher than highway miles. Also the HMMVVs are let to warm up because they're started before they start the trip.

>>16692561
>Toyota is the go to for goat fucking terrorists that think suicide bombing against the nonbelievers will earn them 72 virgins in heaven, and the only reason they use it is because it's the most common cheap truck platform in their area. The middle east is not "the rest of the world" you delusional toyota fangirl.
toyota fangirls fall for that meme because they don't understand the criticality of logistics when operating a fleet. Toyota trucks are everywhere in those countries so they can salvage parts if they need to. They can even cannibalize their own fleet.
>One truck stopped running? No problem, we'll use it as a spare parts source

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>>16692723
Most HMMWVs don't have any armor, FYI. The worst thing about HMMWVs is they sit for a large chunk of their lives.

But honestly HMMWVs have a shit ride and are ridiculously wide. They are like 6 inches wider than a full size truck which is fine for desert running but makes it un-usable for tight forest trails.

>>16692561
>AM General
>G wagen
bad idea unless you have access to copious amounts of fuel

>>16692842
>The worst thing about HMMWVs is they sit for a large chunk of their lives.
like police cars and hearses?

>>16692842
>Most HMMWVs don't have any armor
Are you sure they haven't been converted using bolt-on armor? I remember there was a big fuss about people dying in them due to the lack of armor so they had started bolting armor on

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>>16692859
Police cars at least sit at idle and move a few times a day. In my last BSB our HMMWVs would sit for months between field exercises, by the time it came to move them half wouldn't start and the other half had class 2 leaks.

>>16692871
Oh, I thought you meant sitting idling

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TayTay knows which is clearly superior.

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>>16694125
Toyota fags on suicide watch

>>16666355
You can go up terrain with it where if your clutch fails the only way you're getting down is by levering boulders and cutting down trees.

>>16694125
>shoop da woop

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>>16694193

>>16690273

Have yet to see a cogent retort to this. My takeaway is that XJ owners are predominantly glue-sniffing highschoolers

>>16695206
Life's too short to drive ugly jap trucks

>>16695361
Sweet opinion.
I wish you a short life

>>16695370
stay mad
at the end of the day the XJ's shortcomings are easy to fix, but the ugliness of toyotas both inside and out is permanent

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>>16695405
>xj
>not ugly
Lel
>opinions
Ha
>how a vehicle looks matters more than performance to you
Kek

>>16695419
>how a vehicle looks matters more than performance to you
Seems to be your case, you were the one who got triggered over me calling toyotas "ugly jap trucks" and wished me a short life.
Also implying your shitty IFS performs better than the Cherokee's solid axles, kek

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Why are jeep fags so stupid?
Things on cherokees break under light usage. Its pathetic. And people defend this.
Pic related. Clutch pedal

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Steering columns fall out.
This was a TSB from jeep.
Literally fall out when driving

>>16695481
>This was a TSB from jeep.
so it got fixed long ago? I fail to see the problem

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Shock bolts sheer off under normal use
We are talking things that can KILL you or another driver on the road
>>16695490
Not many were fixed. Feel free to read about it.
Was NOT a recal. Was NOT made public
Just a TSB

>>16695473
>having a manual transmission on an offroad rig

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Top of the shock can have bolts fall out too.
Potentially deadly issue.
Requires cutting up the floor to fix

>>16695493
>We are talking things that can KILL you or another driver on the road
Toyota is no stranger to tht, see the toyotas that accelerated on their own

>>16695493
That's a pretty odd place for it to sheer if it was done while driving with the shock attached. Looks like that was sheered when they tried to remove the nut.

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Very weak diffs and drive shafts.
High potential of falling apart while driving under normal conditions

>>16695503
>Bolts fall out of shock
>Have to cut floor to fix
Makes literally no sense.

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>>16695530
Feel free to look any of this up. There are writeups on the bolt fix and cutting into the floor

>>16695549
With the way the shocks attach if the bolts fall out the shock will be free to move under the vehicle but there isn't anything that would require you to cut the floor. Do you mean they sheer off? Would make a little more sense but only of you couldn't ez-out them from underneath the vehicle.

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>>16695579
Its a pressed in stud. Jeep thought it would be wise to cover for some retarded reason (lol jeep)
You have to cut the floor to replace them

>>16695493
That's a brittle fracture, pretty strange. I'd be surprised to see a fracture like that happen during normal use because they require sudden stress that goes beyond the yield strength.

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Meh. Mine's problem free.

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>3rd gen 4runner

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>>16695622
Seriously man. You cant defend a jeep.
Im not saying toyota is perfect.
But jeep is absolute trash
>jeep ball joints break too
Who knew

>>16695684
>You cant defend a jeep.
yes I can, it has been problem free for all the time I had it

>>16695597
What year jeep? My XJ just has regular bolts for the upper shock mounts

>jap car shills blowing non-issues of american cars out of proportion
business as usual at /o/, when do the GT-R vs Corvette lap times and the corvette oil leak/fire pics start getting posted?

>>16695897
>steering column fell off
>shocks fell out
>ball joint separated
>drive shaft fell off
>diff grenades and seizes
>all at 65mph
>in a chassis as strong as a wet cardboard box
Non issue

>>16695906
Sounds like a lemon

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>>16696015
Sounds like a normal jeep

>>16696018
Sounds like Alphonse moved from GT-R vs 'vette to 4runner vs XJ

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All you fags bitchin' about XJs; simply don't buy one.
There's plenty of us that enjoy running them.
We truly don't care to hear about your failures.
Enjoy your 4runner.

>>16692842
Just the person I wanted to talk to. When did the HMMWVs switch from mechanical to electronic injection and did they use a single PCM after the change or continue using a standalone TCM with a separate ECM?

>>16696171
I'm not sure to be honest with you. I didn't get that familiar with them year for year and we pretty much had 80s ones and mid 00s ones but nothing in between.

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>>16696125
This
I think they bash XJs because deep down they know they're the true and only masterrace

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Explain this!

>>16696125
>leave XJs alone!!!!!
Then
>>16696516
Pathetic

>>16696573
Pretty sure it's not the same guy and pretty sure he only did it because you autistically spammed problematic XJs and implied they were representative of the majority

>>16696573
>I posted XJ
>Didn't post rotted out 4runner
>4runner owners paranoid & angry. Sad!

>>16696742
The majorities of jeeps have the same issues posted here.
Google it

which one has better cup holders? serious question please respond.

>>16696806
>muh google
fuck off armchair mechanic
if it was so widespread some of my buddies with XJs would have had some of those issues already

>>16696757
>Happy 4runner owner goes to /o/, sees awesome XJ, doesn't feel good and changes - JEALOUSY. Many such cases!

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Op here. You guys got way off topic. I hate this bucket of rust but it's growing on me. I might keep it and do a 5vze swap desu senpai.

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>>16697213
And put a cheap head unit in to replace the emoji.

>>16697213
I'd get rid of it and try to find a clean one if you really liked it
t. XJ fanboy

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>>16697
Don't like it that much.

>>16697307
what's that? lol
leftover by previous owner?

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>>16697213
Sell everything and buy into the masterrace.
>more reliable than 4Runner or Cherokee
>less prone to rusting than 4Runner or Cherokee
>easily made far more capable than 4Runner or Cherokee
>better parts availability than 4Runner or Cherokee

>>16697490
>tbi
>reliable
Also enjoy those broken (plastic) torsion bar adjusters
Piles of shit

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>>16697519
TBI 350s are reliable, but gutless. However this is neither TBI nor a 350.
The torsion bar adjusters are metal, as are the keys and adjuster bolts. However this uses none of the above.

>>16697741
>>16697490
Stop being a faggot and put the Escalade front clip back on faggot.

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>>16697767
That's an option too.

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>>16697891
So versatile.

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>>16697916

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>>16697948

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>>16697966

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>>16697490
>>16697741
>>16697891
>>16697916
>>16697948
Let's see some stock rigs

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>>16697970

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>>16697982

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>>16697989

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>>16697996

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>>16697976

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>>16697996
d-did my lexus f-flex gud?

>>16661640

i agree
3rd world reliabiliy is fucking stupid in america

maybe you would the reliability if you were driving through new africa, aka east st. louis missouri or something, but other than that, you dont really need a vehicle which can haul a bunch of chinese garbage through a sandstorm in iraq on an engine which hasn't had new oil in over 100k since last change like every toyota ever in china and iraq

>>16698064
It's amazing how harsh people think 100 degree dry weather is on vehicles driving down a sandy road.

If you've got coolant and and air filter the vehicle is fine. The cold is much worse for vehicles, and salt is terrible.

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>>16697490
lmfao, buy a ford along it so you can tow it when it breaks down

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>>16698357

>>16698438
Why did they leave the F-350 that's pulling them out of the picture?

>>16698058
>kit kuck has a lexus now
wew
what happened to the red ford

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>>16698449
Because it was a GM C/K Series, not a Ford F Series.

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>>16698458
I still have it.

The lexus was the car I had in highschool, these plus a bike are what I own now.

>>16698357
The Only way GM could ever manage a podium at LeMans
>get towed behind the winning Ford
amirite?

>>16698491
>having a lexus in highschool
reeeeee why isn't my country as awesome as america

>>16698505
kek
/r/ing the 1st, 2nd, 3rd,... , recalled pic

>>16698486
>it actually had to be pulled
I was just memeing with my post, top kek
can't make this shit up

>>16698647
2nded

>>16698505
>amirite?
no

>>16700928
he is

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>>16700900
You're welcome anons

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>>16697976

Love that S10 Blazer bro

>>16698721
It wasn't pulling the truck up the mountain, it was pulling the mountain with the trucks on it.

>>16702533
kek, you have a good sense of humor