2017 Toyota 86 /o/pinion thread

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slow piece of shit

>>16647557
Front facelift looks horrible in person, engine still horribly underpowered.

Steering and control in general is great, good road feel

Critics need to realize it's not a racecar and more of a tourer, it's fun for zipping around backroads but if you think you're going to be able to stoplight race in it you're sadly mistaken and should throw in a few extra grand for a mustang.

The problem is people criticize it because OMG 200HP SO SLOW xD when they don't realize it wasn't made for boyracers.
t. test drove one

>>16647557
The sporty version of the new Yaris will have AWD, 10 hp more and be lighter, so what's the point?

>>16647557
fun car to drive, cheap to maintain, best car to learn how to drive rwd

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>>16647573
>muh lap times on a track I'll never drive on.

>>16647586
It's slower to 60 too though. LMFAO

>>16647584
I'll be fucked if Toyota brings back RWD on their economy cars. Post proof.

>>16647579
Clearly retarded. It looks great in person. Although not as good as the first-gen.

>>16647557

The new one they upgraded with unnecessary bullshit. They say it drives better, but it looks worse and has lower top speed.

The earlier models have more of a 90's vintage touches and are very comfy, but the newer models removed that and added buttons and displays, ugh.

ANGERY

>>16647557
>slower than a Camry
>worse handling than a 2006 Corolla

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>>16647557
I own a MY14 FRS.

The Kouki 86 looks like shit. There is literally no reason to buy one over the BRZ now.

>>16647772
>big ass brembo brakes for the whopping 170hp

>>16647778
>170hp
Jesus. My 15 year old eclipse had more power

>>16647772
Thats a BRZ.

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>>16647778
Miata has bbk and even less power.

>>16647782
Did you just admit to owning a 3g eclipse?

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>>16647772
literally this.

they took a perfectly good looking frs/86 & made it look like the biggest kike possible.

there is no reason not to buy a brz now.

zenki frs/86 was goat.

>kouki is mirror image of pic related

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>>16647789
I never said it wasn't?

This thread is about the 2017 86. Here is my car though if you're that interested.

>>16647797
Did you just admit to owning an FRS?

>>16647814
Misread my bad nice car.

>>16647557
Fiesta ST shits all over this fuccboi "god machine" for less money. Simple mods and tune can get like 270 lb-ft torque on the FiST, and you'll still spend less than a new 86. BTFO NIGGER

>>16647816
Yeah, twice actually.

>>16647609
>rwd economy cars
nope, not happening
>awd yaris gti
also not likely, it'll be sporty, but fwd

>nobody would own one if it wasn't for Inisharu D

You fucks are making these so expensive, stop the memeing please.

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maybe y'all can help me

I want a smaller sporty car but I'm never going to race, never going to touch a track. It'll be a commuter, errand runner, and vacationer. If I have to use it everyday I want it to be fun but I'm not an enthusiast.

How is the 86/FRS/BRZ vs something like the Accord Coupe V6, G37x, or Genesis Coupe?

>>16647826
Fiesta st?
slow piece of shit...i can smoke the fuck out of this in my 1994 EG hatch with a couple of simple mods:

- 10 point cage with Parachute
- 3 piece discontinued JoJo frontend
- spec-R full drag suspension
- Fuel cell with -8 lines from tank to motor
- 1 044 bosch pump
- 1200 rc injectors
- golden eagle sleeved block
- cp 10:1 pistons
- Eagle rods
- arp headstuds
- oem h22 headgasket
- Balance shaft delete
- competition clutch twin disc
- Port and polished head
- skunk2 valve springs and retainers
- Str cam gears
- crower stage 1 cams
- aluminium radiator with slim fan
- gsr transmission with itr lsd.
- qsd h2k intake manifold adapter
- k20 rbc manifold
- qsd throttle body spacer
- blox 70mm throttle body
- 4bar omni map sensor
- 6al msd with coil and cap. 3 step launch control
- hks bov
- Garret 102mm turbocharger.
- Custom t4 front facing turbo manifold with 44mm flange
- 44mm tial wastegate
- Custom water to air intercooler set up
- aem eugo wideband w/ gauge
- tuned on chipped p28
- 13 inch volks drag rims
- 2 15 inch volks rear rims
- arp extended wheel studs
- si cluster
- 150 shots of nitrous

im making 248 horsepower to the FRONT WHEELS because thats the only place the power should ever be.

>>16647845
> couple of simple mods

>>16647845
>1994 Honda
LaughingGirls.jpg

>>16647855
>being this new

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>>16647844
>How is the 86/FRS/BRZ vs something like the Accord Coupe V6, G37x, or Genesis Coupe?

You have to sit in those cars. You day you want something smaller, but the accord, genesis, and Infiniti are not small like the 86 is. To be honest, the 86 is probably not the right car for you.

Just buy a 4 cylinder mustang desu.

>>16647826
>Bragging about power in a fwd car
Wew lad

>>16647865
>Slower than a fwd car
Weweeee

>>16647863
i was baiting back, retardo

>>16647865
>being slower than a fwd car

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>>16647894
You think anyone buys a 86 because they want a fast car?

Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>16647908
>Gm fangirls are THIS delusional

>>16647764
Never even drove it

>>16647935
Never even drove anything

What's different between the Scion FR-S and the 2017 86, besides the facelift?

>>16647957
I think it has slightly more power and different gearing.

>>16647935
>t. buttmad cause its true

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>>16647957
>>16647971
Pretty much this. The interior is a little nicer too, but it's only available in one trim unlike the brz

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86 owners on suicide watch

>>16647844
If you want a proper fun coupe with power and handling, either get a 370z (3 grand more than a BRZ but 150hp more) or G37x. The BRZ is so slow, even Maximas humiliate it.

>>16648000
>literally slow: the car
Lmaoing @ their lives

>>16647971
>>16647990
Thanks mates. I imagine the parts and maintenance costs are pretty similar between the 86 and BRZ, yeah?

>>16648032
Like how much of a joke do you have to be to think you are driving a "sports car" when fat bitches in their fwd auto maximas and accords will pull on you everytime.

>"b-b-b-but anon it's a track car."
>literally demolished on nurburgring by every major hot hatch in the past ten years

RWD is a meme

>>16648112
>fat bitches in their fwd auto maximas and accords will pull on you everytime.
86fags literally BTFO

>>16648019
>370z
What does /o/ think?
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/689864056/overview/

I love the color combo. Might go test drive today :-)

>>16648164
DO IT. It's brilliant. The trans is nearly bulletproof and with a few boltons, you can get an extra 60-80whp. A solid mid 300whp out of a lightweight sports coupe for 18 grand. Can't go wrong.

>>16648164
Smirf blue will be a cop magnet. Just sayin.

>>16647592
>muh straight line car

>>16648019
Why would anyone buy a 370z when you could buy a Cayman or C6 for the same price?

>>16647573
Have fun getting pulled over, Speedy.

>>16648227
Obnoxious mopar colors are a cop magnet. Yellow, orange, lime green, bright purple, racing liveries. Plasti-dipped wheels and giant Monster Energy stickers are a cop magnet. A park bench bolted to the trunk is a cop magnet. No cop specifically targets a blue car, blue is a common color. If anything he'd target it because it's a 370z and anon farted past the cop 30 over the limit at 6,000 RPM.

I was told a red car would get cop attention/higher insurance premiums for my entire life and then I bought one and I've never been pulled over once and my insurance didn't even ask what color it was.

>>16648976
insurace knows what color it is from the vin dumbass

>>16648945
>same price
370z is 29k
Cayman is 54k
Corvette is 55k

kek

>>16647772
>Brembo brakes

Why

>>16648902
not an argument, toyocuck

>>16647584
I desperately want this to happen but I suspect if it does it'll be one of those limited run GRMN dealies and not mass market.

>>16648996
370z for 29k doesn't even have an LSD.

C6 corvette is way less than 55k you double nigger

>>16648902
>muh track car

>>16648976
>colors are cop magnets
lol wat

They aren't gonna pull over red corvettes every time they see em. You have to be speeding first but if you are, you are guaranteed a ticket. Chances are you'll be clocked at high speeds even before cops hear your exhaust or make your specific vehicle. A red car obviously stands out more but it's not like a cop is gonna be "oh here comes a fast, lowered, and loud moving black dot, I'm gonna let him go because he isn't red."

>>16649001
Rice

>>16649020
>comparing new to used car
brilliant anon.

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>>16648902
it's not a track car, its not a straight line car. What the fuck is it?

>>16649040
It's literally a drivable meme

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>>16649034
>Buying new

Even comparing new to new, a v6 Camaro is a better car than a new 370z

>>16649067
it might as well be, you have to invest a lot of money to make it competitive. I do like the rocket bunny kit for it though, shit's cash

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>>16649040
Who says it's not a track car?

Just because it doesn't set lap records doesn't mean you can't have fun at the track with it.

>>16647579
This. Personally I DGAF about drag racing, what I love is hitting up the back roads through the forests. That's where the 86 shines, so I am stoked as fuck about it, 3 years on and I still love it.

>>16649040

It's a track car that emphasizes driving technique on a balanced chassis, that can corner with throttle input, and teaches you how to be more efficient and smooth through corners as a driver so that when it's all paid off, and you trade it in on the new Supra, you can drive it like a sports car is supposed to be driven, with out driving like a ricer fag in a Fiesta ST weaving in and out of traffic.

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>>16649068
lmao it's really not burger.

370z
>330hp
>3250lbs curb weight

V6 camaro
>335hp
>3450 curb weight

>>16649106
So it's an overpriced miata?
>>16649115
>muh dagumi corner learning
The learning technique you just described is highly subjective, I'd learn to be more efficient if I were in a high powered car trying to kill me at each turn. Then again I am not a responsible person

>be europoor Dutch
>see people complaining about low powered coupe
>"it's probably cheap, but let me check the websi-"
>52K yurocoins for a manual gt86
WHAT THE FUGGG

A manual cayman comes at 65k with a 300hp turbo flat 4

>>16649138

No, you would learn basically to baby it through a corner then gradually get on the gas power out of it.

Where as if you had proper driving skills, you would be able to understand the limits of the car better and understand how to push it to the limit with out looking like a faggot afraid of the throttle.

boring car for boring people

:)

>>16649138
It's cheaper than a Miata

>>16649180
It's also uglier and heavier

>>16649168
>a faggot afraid of the throttle.
that's my learning technique, if you keep learning to step on the throttle around corners you'll do it by accident on other cars by a fatal mistake. Whatever floats you boat I guess. I'm just benchracing since I don't even have a car yet
>>16649180
isn't the mazda 28K and the 86 30k? This is sold as a commuter car while the mazda is a known girl/hobbyist car.The GT86 is sold as a commuter car and its underpowered even for that. If it had FWD or some variation of AWD we'd be in business

>>16649107

This is exactly what I plan on doing when I get one. I'm not a track guy, I don't stoplight drag race, and I don't jerk off about numbers and how the car looks on paper.

I honestly don't know if people are still trolling years later or they actually think that people buying them WAN GO FAST and MUH TRACK TIMES.

Good on Toyobaru for making such a polarizing car that is still talked about and debated so much.

>>16647584
I thought they no longer do homologation in WRC?

>>16649237
>If it had FWD or some variation of AWD we'd be in business
I just want to point this out to the RWD meme dickriders. RWD is only good for high performance sports cars. Taking a car with very little power and giving it RWD not only increases drivetrain hp losses but adds extra weight. If there was a FWD BRZ, it would literally be faster than their current RWD config. Fucking Civics do better from a dig, roll AND on the damn track.

BRZ is worthless. It's a joke in the car community. You can drop 4 grand worth of boltons into it and gain maybe 30whp on a good day.

>>16648000
bahahah the BRZ/FRS/86 is such trash
>but Muh RWD
>Muh track day bro
>Muh drift
I can't handle all these meme ingredients

>>16649212
Looks are subjective, only slightly heavier.
>>16649237
Here it's 39 for the 86, 45 for the Miata.

I drove both, the Miata's feels too soft and not as connected, plus it's boot is too small to fit my groceries in. I haven't used the rear seats often, but I have used them. The 86 was an easy choice. Also cross shopped a WRX and GTI, both faster, but much more boring to drive.

>>16649252
I do enjoy track days, but it's fun. I'm not racing other people so how fast the car is, it's irrelevant, it's how fun it is which is important.

Some are trolling, others are retarded and do believe power is everything, they're the same people that would never appreciate a Lotus.

>>16649290
>40k gets you 200hp
Memes aside, thats fucking terrible

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>>16649319
Look at this car, 140HP, what a piece of shit, how retarded would you have to be to but one HAHA

>>16647772
>Kouki
hahaha youre a faggot.

gtfo weeb

>>16647798
>zenki
>kouki

hahaha you'rea huge faggot.

>>16647814
cool, a slow overpriced shitbox. kys.

>>16649344
>actually pay money for anything even touched by a britbong

fcking disgusting.

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>>16649287
>>16649289
Since when is controllable oversteer a meme?

>>16649357
>Calling people weebs on a Chinese comic book website

>>16649393
>I-I don't know japanese
>I just u-use japanese words when referring to cars in certain situations for no reason,
>D-does that make me c-cool?

HYOOG faggot.

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>>16649402
Who says I don't know Japanese?

Baka.

>>16649420
>literally a weeb
Nice

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>>16649430
You're what I like to call a "Gaijin".

>>16649393
>controllable oversteer
BRZs are so slow, they don't need to worry over oversteer. The only thing a BRZ owner should worry about is getting the crankshaft to turn fast enough so your battery doesn't run out of charge mid-trip.

>>16649462
Shit I'd even be worried about the crank turning it's own weight

>>16649444
Gross!

>>16649492
Shit I'd worry about pulling up behind one on a hill. Might have to get a new bumper.

>>16647844
sounds like you just to enjoy the drive while putin around town brz/frs sounds perfect. Don't listen to the other sperges you don't need a 350z for what you described. I have a 17 accord 4 banger and nothing about it is small and sporty. I'm not going to check but the other cars you listed are heavier than the 86 and feel less nimble. On the flip side the v6 cars are going to get off the line and ahead of everyone with a fraction of the throttle you'll use with the brz. Brzfrs you're gonna have to whine out the engine just to keep up.

>>16649287

And it would just be another front wheel drive shit box.

Good job, you ruined it.

>>16649609
Giving a Corolla RWD doesn't make it great anon.

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>>16649693

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>>16649554
No u

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it's another "poorfags get triggered by another new rwd car they can't afford" episode

>i can't buy new & modify to my liking bc i am a poor piece of shit
>le used is best bang for le buck to maximize my shekels bc i have already stated i am a poor piece of trash & cannot afford to modify a new car

a y y l m a o

>>16647557
How much did your parents spend on it?

>>16650041
>IMG_1304.jpg
>640x403
presumably this is your own picture, why is it so small?
what even is it, another of those silly toyotas? why does it look different?

>>16647557
great car. Would have it over ANY american car.
Not much else to say.

>>16647839
toyota has a reputation of putting awd or rwd in DD cars.

That's why toyota is better than honda. Honda makes enthusiast sporty cars in fwd, toyota makes generic ecoboxes in RWD/AWD or slaps a v6 in there.

>>16648000
so what
everyone knows it comes with shitty prius tyres for maximum skidz.

GT86 is a great chassis and with some mods it can be really fast. On the cheap.

>bought a Falcon
>1300 bucks ex-taxi shitheap
>has 60 more hp than the 86
>and its on lpg
truly an epic win

>>16652589
But it's fat as fuck, wouldn't even be faster in a straight line.

I just sat in one yesterday at the Cincy Auto Expo. First time I've really gotten to sit up close to it. Few thoughts:
-Not sure what you autists are on about with 175ish horsepower, it said 205 on the one I was looking at. This should be plenty for most things.
-It costs as much as a mid-tier Ford Focus so keep that in mind when looking at what you're running against. It is still a relatively cheap car. Not saying econobox-tier cheap, but 26 k ain't bad, lads.

Things I appreciate:
-The very spacious engine bay. Looks extremely easy to work on and all your fluids are right up and easy to get to.
-The seating position. You're low as hell in this car and it's comfy as fuck.
-The plucky little 2.0 boxer they have in this. Chain driven, great, but as long as it doesn't have the headgasket issues that Subie's 2.5's have always fucking had, should be a great little engine.
-The very simple interior.
-The theoretical rear-seats. Theoretical.
-The totally standard looking double-DIN radio
-Manual many-things.
-The fact that there's a set clock/hour/min buttons on the dash.
-Rear wheel drive
-Positive feeling 6 speed.
-An extant spare tire.

Things I do not necessarily appreciate:
-The not-really-a-dual-exhaust dual exhaust.
-The design-college-student-tier wheels (would change those out first thing)
-Too many 86 badges everywhere.The ones on the front quarters and the rear badging were plenty.
-I liked the round rear tail lights on the older ones.
-Something on the rear quarter panel near the wheels looks too..empty. But not sure how to fix this. Like, too much space.
-Not the biggest fan of the face but eh.
-Reverse lockout

Guys it can't be that bad of a car. I'd take this over a current-gen Miata any day. And probably over the Fiat spider. Dunno, it's not that bad. I thought it was cozy as fuck.

So, uh, that.

>>16653731
I should mention that the Toyota branding is my favorite of the three marques it's been under. Supposedly the new one has better suspension dynamics. Dad was looking it up, he liked it too. I do not like most new cars, and while my little ZX3 hatch is doing fine right now, this is the first time I've actually WANTED a new car in, well since the Focus RS, but I didn't really want anything before that. And this is half the price of a FoRS...FoRS is still tempting though.

>>16649287
>FWD GT86
Already exists, T sport/190/GT celica.

>>16653731
try getting a test drive of one, they certainly did something right with it. Also for rims, like you said, change them out instantly, they come with Economic thin tires stock too so might aswell take the big route and change everything at once. Taillights should be interchangeable too

>>16653731
It's 200 at the crank, the 170hp meme is what the car makes to the wheels. Full bolt-ons and tune get the car to around 200 at the wheels so around +30whp. Full bolt-on 86 will keep pace with a stock S2000.

>>16647557
I can't find it attractive. Era of good looking Japanese cars ended in 90's.

>>16647557
It's the best planted car short of the twice as expensive boxster.
The problem is it makes no power and the suspension is setup more to be fun than quick.

I bet you a billion dollars the reason Subaru isn't actually turboing it is because of a gentleman's agreement with Toyota. The bullshit schlock of
>it was never meant to be a straight line car
>it's supposed to be affordable
Is nonsense. People are waiting for the secondary market to have cheap examples to tune to what they wanted the car to be in the first place. Those are straight lost sales, sales that would have gone to Subaru if they offered the car in a package people wanted, new.

It's no coincidence the Fiesta is outselling both 86's combined. It's more practical to live with and the turbo torque puts a smile on people's faces the way an 86 just can't for novices.

>>16653731
>dual cam boxer
>easy to work on
Oh baby are you in for a rude awakening.

This is a Toyota shill viral marketing thread

Daily reminder to buy American

I had a 15 brz before my 16 sti and my opinion is,

Looking back it was nothing special. It did corner well and didn't have really any body roll, but my sti takes corners nearly as well with allot more power..

The engine sounded like a tractor literally, where my wrx and now sti despite being boxers don't sound nearly as bad.

The clutch was the worst I've ever had. I took out the spring assist to bring it up higher but it had no feel to it before and still never really figured out a way to get a smooth shift every time, was hit or miss.

The transmission was very grindy going into 2nd when still warming up, as was up to 3rd. Getting on it sounded like a weedwacker.

Interior wasn't really an issue.

>>16655820
For basic maintenance, I mean. My dad got by with the 2.2L in his 96 Legacy for years. Even did a timing belt.

IF I'm doing anything more than that, I'm accepting my limitations and paying a shop to do it. I am a home mechanic NOT an ASE certified.

>>16655829
Enjoy your unreliable, unaesthetic American shitboxes

>>16647579
front does look ass

>>16647798
exactly, front was great on the frs

>>16655815

Gentlemens agreement on Toyota side since they cant have a flat 4 turbo outshine their(Lexus) new turbo inline 4.

Also dont forget that a turbo BRZ would eat into WRX and STI sales in some fashion, and Subaru cant have a RWD coupe dethrone their first child, ever.

At best we will get a displacement bump like the S2000 did before.

The FRS/BRZ is a good looking.

But, it's slow as all hell. My stock Caprice beat my cousins FRS run after run at the track. He dumped $6k of mods into still can't beat me.

>>16657775

If they put a 2.5L ~240hp engine in it I'd totally buy one

Trade in my 2005 RSX Type-S for the 2017 86 last month. To me it feel faster, has more power and torque. Stock to stock with the rsx-s, I say the 86 is faster by a car.

>>16647908
>I don't want my sports car to be fast

This "sports" car needs minimum 350hp at the crank to be decent outside of a parking lot cone drill.
At the very least it should have 240hp NA like >>16657805 said so you could get it up to 350hp fairly easily with turbos.

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>>16647990
Anyone else think of this?

>>16647844

You're the kind of person that the WRX was made for.

>>16649367
why're you so butthurt

>>16649067
>/thread

>>16649444
chexked and kekd
can't tell if sarcasm or actual cringe-tier weeb garbage

>>16649699
No, retard.
Safety regulations of the 80s allowed for a much lighter corolla. That made the AE86 fun.
GT86 is slow heavy meme garbage in comparison.
Toyota knew this garbage wasnt going to be any "spiritual successor".

>>16655829
Kys Lardtard

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>>16647557
LOOKS LIKE A GODDAMN BAT

>>16647557
Guess what two cars took the top spots in the bluebook 5 year lowest running cost sports car awards to add to the world record number of car of the year awards they already have.

ITT: Retards who don't realize the GT86 is a project car

>>16647845
>FWD

Open Flash Tablet, yay or nay?

>200hp from a 2.0L
why isn't this brought up more? Everyone is overly worried that they'll out dragged by some asshole who thinks their V6 mid-sized sedan is a sports car
>perfectly does what it was intended to do
>owners replace the "Prius tires" (195 profile Michellin Primacys or Yokahoma Avids I believe) with stickier/wider tires that go against the car's purpose
>facelift front facia is ugly as fuck
>I don't like the wheels of the FRS/GT86. The BRZ is notably more elegant .

>>16662367

>200hp from a 2.0L

Because the dumbasses dont know shit about how anemic Subarus N/A builds are. Sure, they are rather torquey but they cant rev for shit. And Subarus overall block and head design cant flow for shit or make power without boost.

Blast D4-S for sounding like a diesel but Ill take it over any other system since it wouldnt assfuck your valves and injectors like straight DIT systems will.

>>16661380
>they actually made it shitty from the factory because YOU are supposed to fix it
>they knew that 16-25 year olds that just decided to become car enthusiasts last week know how to build a car way better than a team of Toyota engineers

Was hyped when Toyota started teasing the 86 before anyone knew the specs.

Find out it has a flat 4, hype killed.

Would it have killed them to use an easily modifiable inline 4?

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Slower than a minivan

>>16657680
>>16658475
Spotted the poorfag busbitches

if there's one good thing about living in Ontario, it's that buying a new car isn't that retarded because 99% of the used cars out there were never rustproofed. We pay the cost of the car in our annual insurance anyways so FUCK.

I'm ready to replace my rusted out mazda3 whenever Toyota makes the 86 look decent or BRZ Sti comes out.

So is the new Supra just gonna be one of these, but with an ample amount of power?

>>16663021
i'm still not pleased about the fact that Toyota outsourced the fucking engine again

Why would anyone buy the Toyota version instead just so they can pay the corolla tax for none of the reliability

It really feels like the majority of /o/ users dislike or just straight up hate these cars. Why do you guys keep saying it's such a bad car? How can it win so many awards and be so critically acclaimed but so many of you still openly hate it?

Is this a vocal minority or do you guys just hate it when people like things?

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>>16663081
There are plenty of people on here that own 86s.

And there are a lot of other anons who are waiting to buy used ones when they cost less than 10k.

Benchracers can't comprehend why anyone would buy one over a Ecoboost mustang or WRX though, even though comparing those cars to the 86 is like apples and oranges.

The problem is the car was way too over hyped during its release and some people never got over the fact that it didn't weight 2500lbs and have 250hp out of the box for under 25k.

>>16663081
It's simply missing about 50 horses from its engine.

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>>16663221
>>16663222
See?

>>16648000
A few seconds slower than a corvette at about half the price is bad?

You're a fool

>>16655638
What bolt ons do you refer to?

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>>16663376
This dyno is before and after a 421 header, overpipe and tune.

Everything else is stock, including the paper air filter.

It's also on 91 octane.

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>>16662786
>rather torquey
151lb/ft
>can't rev for shit
7300 rpms

are you a literal retard?

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Don't mind me. Just posting 86s

>>16663342

Full exhaust and a retune on that vette would net you another 50-60hp, you'd spend 6k+ on a turbo kit for the brz for the same gain.

high compression flat 4 a shit.

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>>16663081

i can't speak for /o/, but I've already got a slow import shitbox, spending $26k on new slightly faster import shitbox seems like a dumb proposition

If subaru or toyota releases a special turbp version with treatment similiar to what mazda did with the rx-7 spirit R, I would probably buy one even if it were $40k msrp

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>>16663565
What shitbox do you drive? You know all shitboxes were new cars at some point right?

>>16663524

Reading comprehension dipshit.
The FA20D isnt 100% Subaru N/A and even their basic EJ 2.0 N/As dont even get close to 100HP/L
The 2.5s still cant even crack that barrier, but atleast they make some torque.

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>>16647557

>BRZ is announced

>Excited as fuck

>Sell my GT

>Buy BRZ

>Sell BRZ six months later

>Buy another GT

I really wanted to like the BRZ/86, as I had pretty fond memories of my 180SX/S13's as a teen, but the BRZ was such a pig. Fuck it weighs practically the same as my GT but without the power.

It's so fucking gutless.

Riddle me this, 86 shills: if the car has enough power stock, why is everyone constantly talking about ways to get more power out of it?

everyone and their dog will cream buckets if toyota sold a factory turbo version
toyota will never do it because why?

>>16664149

they think it'll only ever be driven downhill

Now that the MX5 is available with a roof, is there any reason to buy an 86?

>>16664171

Some people like lugging around an extra 300kg.

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>>16664171
There never was a reason to begin with

>>16664171
the miata is a bit more price in Australia is the only reason i can think of

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>>16664171
Lots of reasons, the 86 is faster and more practical and quite a bit cheaper.

>>16663221
>And there are a lot of other anons who are waiting to buy used ones when they cost less than 10k.

They will be waiting a long time given it is officially the slowest deprecating sports car on the market. What do you know the detractors are right it is slow at one thing.

>>16664607

>it is officially the slowest deprecating sports car on the market.

What market is that?

On the Australian market they're not only depreciating rapidly but they're hitting the used market in droves.

New they're 44k, used they bottom out at around 16-18k, even less at auction and we're already starting to see track use only ones for 5-10k

>>16664726
USA according to the bluebook.

>>16663081
Because a bunch of people on the internet who have never driven one are better judges of a car's quality than people who review cars for a living and drive high end Ferraris/Porsches all the time

>>16664092
Only bench racers. Mine still makes more or less stock power as do most of my mates.

>>16664171
MX5 isn't as focused. The ND feels surprisingly aloof

>>16664726
Find me one for under 20k.
Please post a link

Also they're 40k drive away new for a GTS, 35 for a GT

>>16648000
I don't usually get triggered over my car being called slow, this I have to reply to. It's not a "track car", it's a daily driver that's fun on twisty backroads (if you're American you might unironically not know what this is).

Was any of those laptimes set on deliberately low grip tires?
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/watch-a-standard-gt86-on-streetlegal-semislicks-go-around-the-ring-faster-than-a-993-porsche-911/

If you just want to go fast on the bürgerkingring, get the Seat Leon Cupra, it kept the time below 8 minutes and you can have them brand new for just over 70% of the price of an 86. But it's set up on and for the Nürburgring, so it's horrendous anywhere else, except for straight lines.

>>16647579
>its a touring car

But it's not.

Touring cars have space for passengers with room to spare for cargo. You can't even fit a small child or half a midget in the back of a BRGTZ86

>Slower than all but 3 or 4 economy cars on the market

>slower than a camry
>slower than a 2003 corolla
>marketed as a sports car

>>16664807

>Please post a link

Really, you couldn't do that yourself?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-cars-vans-utes/toyota+86/carmake-toyota/carmodel-toyota_86/k0c18320?sort=price_asc

https://www.carsales.com.au/car/toyota/86/?sortby=~Price&offset=0&setype=sort&area=Stock&vertical=car&WT.z_srchsrcx=makemodel&

>>16664171

Probably cant fit inside of it at 6'5", also costs a extra 10k in Canadaland.
It looks dead sexy though.

>>16664816
Cheapest is 18. There are none for 5-10k like you said.

>>16664815
It's a sports car not a tourer.

>>16664815
I frequently fit my 6' friend in the back of my GT86, he only complains about his feet not having much room under the front seat and the sun burning on his head, considering he's sitting right under the rear window. There's ridiculous amounts of space for cargo compared to other cars in its class, refer to >>16649106.

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>>16664821

How fucking dense are you?

First of all, last time I checked 18k is..

>Find me one for under 20k.

Secondly, read what I fucking posted.

>track use only ones for 5-10k

Pic fucking related.

>>16664828

Welcome to /o/ where storage space is preferred to be non existent or longcat long storage only.

The 86 is still a 2+2 end of day, youll only fit small children cut off at the knees or one grown man laying down across the bench.

>>16664832
Written off cars don't count, written off M3s are 20k for a 170k car

>>16664849

You are a special kind of retarded champ.

>>16664842
I just said I fit someone 6' tall in the back you fucking cunt.

>>16664832
>cannot be registered
Why thought? Pls enlighten a European.

>>16649115
>its a track car

>Gets beaten on every single track (while heavily modified) by bone stock economy cars

>>16664893
>thought
though

>>16664893

Has to do with our absurd written off vehicle laws.

If your vehicle is damaged and an insurance company deems your vehicle uneconomical to repair it becomes a statutory write off and can never be registered again even if the damage is ridiculously minimal.

There's a couple of states where it's particularly over the top and you'll get instances of a motorcycle literally having fallen over, smashed a mirror/indicators and scraped a few bodywork panels and it gets written off....and since the owner gets a brand new one from their insurance company, no fucks are given.

Whilst it is overly wasteful, it does mean there's a fucking awesome market for cheap track cars/bikes in Aus.

>>16652572
No they put Prius tires on the car because it's so under powered bigger tires would knock off 15+HP just from the added weight.

>>16664912
>better rubber adds weight and reduces power
Stay classy /o/.

>>16664827
>it's a sports car guise!

>can't even keep up with 10 year old economy cars

>>16664920
>better rubber

There's more to changing out the tires than getting better rubber.

Nobody makes performance tires that fit BR86GTZ tires that are street legal, you have to change to wider tires to get performance rubbers on the car. Fuck off with your meme-tier arguments kiddo.

>>16647844
Get an Impreza

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>>16664944
>Nobody makes performance tires that fit BR86GTZ tires that are street legal
what

>>16664944
>Nobody makes performance tires that fit BR86GTZ tires that are street legal
From the extreme road legal performance end
Toyo R888
Yokohama A 048R
Federal 589 RSR

Good daily
Toyo T1R
Mitchelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
ContiSportContact 2
Goodyear Eagle F1 (2 & 3)
Dunlop SportMaxxTT
Pirelli P Zero
Uniroyal RainSport 3

It's an entry level sports car making 1990s levels of entry level sports car power. Embarassing.

>>16665541
45hp more than it's only competitor. Stay salty.

I still don't understand why people get mad at this car.

>>16665554
I just wish it had more to offer for the price
Only 200hp at 25k just isn't worth it imo

>>16664899

>Benchracing

>>16665551
>45hp more than a car known for being underpowered but extremely light
>weighs 500lbs more
Yhe only salty one here is you. Stop defending your bad purchase.

>>16665554
They are too poor to buy it.

>>16665588
>>weighs 500lbs more
is three seconds a lap quicker.
see >>16664600

>>16665554

Because they don't understand it's purpose.

>>16665598
>benchracing

I went and drove a brz yesterday and I don't see the appeal. It's not particularly fast and I don't see much benefit of it over a wrx. I mean unless you wanna pay for an Rwd 2 door car that is much slower than the wrx comparatively o guess but when I see the car it seems that it doesn't have much performance seeing as its being sold as a sort of performance car. I really don't understand why Subaru/Toyota didn't do more with it in terms of performance. I can't figure out how to justify it outside of it being Rwd 2 door and that's just two features I wasn't really looking for anyway. Its a very bland car with nothing to it and I feel that if I did get it I'd have to dump a lot of money into making it worth using as an actual sports car it's got all the sports features without any of the sports car performance

>>16665603
What is the purpose of a 26k car with 200hp and Rwd? Please mention something outside of subjective shit like aesthetics because anyone can go buy any car for looks

>>16665618
>I went and drove a brz yesterday and I don't see the appeal.

I'll take things that didn't happen for $500

>>16665618
Also I test drove a Subaru Impreza the same day after not really liking the brz. I didn't do anything real buy the Impreza definitely gets around corners quicker and I think it's because it has more torque and awd and a bigger engine

>>16665643
>your opinion doesn't count because I disagree with it based o my own preconceived notions Ala my opinion

>>16647557
Does anybody else think the appeal of the AE86, or any other old car isn't with speed or formation, or all that bullshit, but about the aesthetic? That boxy angular look, and that 90's JDM silvia look are what I want in a car, popup healights that sit flush against a flat hood and not curvy like a miata. I don't want curved "sexy" bodies with huge grills, that's not what I want to drive.

I don't want a fucking interior full of touch screens and flashy LCD panels, just give me a simple radio with all the basics, fuck pandora streaming, internet streaming, built in phone answering, auto texting, and all that bullshit. I just want a car with similar designs to old shit with some modern convenience.

>>16665628

Learning to drive properly and enjoying the drive in driving a slow car fast.

Refining technique, and understanding chassis, suspension, tire grip, throttle input, in a safe, forgiving and easily controllable, car that gets 30mpg as a daily driver and part weekend SCCA solo/autocross racer.

>>16665682
>Learning to drive properly and
I can do this in any car with a manual dude
For 26k there are tons of other cars to learn how to properly drive on and at that a gt86 probably isn't your first car either
>driving in a slow car fast
What the fuck does this even mean?

>>16665682
>Refining technique, and understanding chassis, suspension, tire grip, throttle input, in a safe, forgiving and easily controllable, car that gets 30mpg as a daily driver and part weekend SCCA solo/autocross racer.
None of these things are exclusive to the brz either

I can understand and learn about all these properties on any other car

>>16665609
not an argument.

>>16665724
Stay btfo

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reasons why you don't like the 86:
>you're too poor to afford an unmolested tuner car & swap in a god tier engine
>you have to carry around your wifes sons in a cuckmobile
>you unironically think that burgerfat shitboxes are superior
>certified retardation

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>>16665734
>he brags about a $25k car that makes 200hp
>b-but it's RWD!

>>16665734
For 25k I'd rather get a wrx that I don't have to do an engine swap to make it go faster

>>16665748

but they have the same engine?

>>16665701

Sure, but what car matches the driving dynamics of it?

An eco-boost mustang with floppy rubber mounts, soft suspension, and wide gears with upsetting power curves when the turbo spools?

A 1le V6 Camaro with the same mustang chassis problems and a little more cost?

All-wheel drive and front wheel drive cars are automatically out of contention.

So that leaves you with the Fiat MX-5 and what else?

It's sorted out and balanced, giving a complete package that forces you to improve your driving skill to get the most out of it.

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>>16665743
>tfw an 86 with a 2jz or lsx engine swap literally has a better weight/power ratio than a viper acr, 911 turbo, hellcat charger/challeger, z06 corvette, r35 gtr
>for less than 1/2 the cost
>and you're too poor to afford it

>>16665757

Same type of engine, wrx's aren't running 12:5:1 compression and can actually handle enough boost to make alot of power while still on pump gas.

With a compression ratio that high you'll more than likely have to run e85 to make 400hp out of a brz.

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>>16665796
>have to engine swap to make the car good
>ruins "muh handling muh low cg"

>>16666083

>Going through life this dumb

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/amp/this-300bhp-wrxengined-brz-is-the-car-we-wish-subaru-would-make/

>>16665796
>86 with 2JZ swap
yeah i bet a GT86 would handle great if you dropped an iron block inline six with a gigantic turbo on it right on the nose, you fucking retard

>>16665775
>Sure, but what car matches the driving dynamics of it?
You don't need to get a brz to understand any of those subjects of a car you mentioned before though. It seems you changed the subject by going from "it's a learner car" to "this car doesn't compare to any other see here" which isn't what we were originally talking about

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>that fucking concrete hard persistence in not upping it to at least 300hp even after several years

This can't be a coincidence.

Are they AFRAID of selling a relatively cheap high performance RWD car?
This must be the reason.

>>16666271
Idiots who vehemently defend the gtbrz will call you a bench racer for wanting more power out of it

>>16666235

If you don't understand why driving dynamics are important to learn proper technique, then there is no help for you and the reason that Amerifats will always be shit drivers.

Learning on a slop box Mustang will get you completely out of your element when you drive anything with legitimate sporting intentions.

Why? Because you won't understand road feel through the steering wheel. Suspension bound and rebound through a corner, stiff and responsive chassis to inputs.

If you don't understand what cornering and handling and technique mean beyond "apexing" then your opinion is shit on this car.

Go buy a V8 Mustang, enjoy your straight line power and make sure you don't hit anyone because you can't fucking drive.

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>>16666277

It's really odd.

I'm not even a hp craving madman, I'm just curious why pretty much every FWD car in existence gets hp upgrades all the time while here there's complete stagnation.

It has to be because they fear boipucci racers can't handle fast RWD cars and they apparently know their main audience.

I mean even a fucking VW Polo is available with more power than that car has. This is just getting depressing.

>>16666277

Wrong, Benchracers who call it shit because they can get a turbo shit box with more power are fucking morons.

Wanting more power is different then bashing it because you can't jerk off with one hand on the wheel.

>>16666163
>the car we wished Subaru would make
lmao

>>16665775
>electric steering
>by-wire throttle

>driving dynamics

>>16666304

>Luddite

>>16666320
Is your 86 with a six speed standard tranny?

>>16666327

Is your mustang caked in the blood of pedestrians?

>>16666291
>If you don't understand why driving dynamics are important to learn proper technique, then there is no help for you and the reason that Amerifats will always be shit drivers.
This is such a non answer, you don't need a brz to understand any dynamic of driving since you can do that on literally any fucking car under the sun

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>mfw this car has been out for 5 years and still makes half of /o/ upset

>>16666291
No ill just go buy a wrx for the same price and go get everything you just said, and then some more

You're treating it like it's fucking drivers ed or racing school and as if all these things you're talking about are exclusive to the brz when it's fucking not

None of these dynamics are exclusive to it and the brz doesn't do anything special to exemplify any of them anyway

>>16666298
>people who know they can get cars that cost the same or cheaper which are also faster are morons

You're a fucking moron why buy a car that is slower than other cars of the same price

>>16647584
because you can drift this thing at low speed.

>inb4 you can just buy any old beemer and do that anyway

>>16666914
You can drift in any Rwd car, this isn't something magical that you can only drift in

>>16647844
The Accord coupe will be miles more luxurious feeling. It'll also have a softer suspension which is good for communiting daily, it'll also have a fuck ton less road noise

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>>16666909
>i am a dumb & poor piece of human garbage, so i need to buy an abused used car to stretch my money as far as it will go
>i hate everyone who has more money than me to buy new cars

>>16666940
>can't retort
>defaults to shit posting

You're defending a car that is slower than every other car in its price bracket and calling anyone who doesn't sniff ass as much as you do a bench racer

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>>16666901
With the WRX you get an economy car seating position, AWD understeer, turbo lag, and hundreds of pounds of extra weight.

I'm not saying the WRX is a bad car, it's just but as fun to drive.

>>16666945
how is it shitposting if you're too fucking poor to afford something nice & i point it out?

it's a widely known fact poorfags have to maximize the value of every dollar they have, just like you do.

go buy your amerilard shitbox with 400hp that's been fucked by the previous owners: cletus & jim bob

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>>16666952
>its just not as fun to drive.

Fixed

>>16666952
>With the WRX you get an economy car seating position
It has bucket seats dude
>, AWD understeer,
The brz has Rwd oversteer, push and pull
>turbo lag,
The turbo lag (if any) doesn't get in the way of the car's performance. The torque peak is at like 2k rpm, it's a powerful car and there's little evidence of it suffering from turbo lag
> and hundreds of pounds of extra weight.
And it's still faster and more agile despite being slight heavier.
>I'm not saying the WRX is a bad car, it's just but as fun to drive.
In your opinion

>>16666918
nah, but it's what the 86 was made to be, a toy to be enjoyed at speeds that don't endanger your driving license. That is what it is, it is what it's good at, nothing more, nothing less.

I applaud them for doing it by the way.

>>16666968
>drifting
>not an absolute danger to everyone

I guarantee you're so many times more likely to get pulled over for drifting than speeding

>>16666972
where in that last statement did i say drifting?
also that's not what I am saying, that is how toyota markets the thing.

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>>16666960
>attacking someone for being financially responsible

LOL

anyone with a part time job can attain a fucking 86

>>16667002

>because you can drift this thing at low speed.

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>>16667006
>anyone with a part time job can attain an 86
and you can't why?
>inb4 b-but i can!!!!1!!!1!1

go be poor somewhere else, retard

>>16667022

You know the 86 is literally the poor mans sports car, right?

>>16667002
None of their other cars have been advertised that way, the ae86 certainly wasn't and the supra wasn't by any extent either. I'm almost willing to bet that Toyotas v6 corolla is faster than this thing

>>16667020
what part of "last " sounds, looks or reads like "earlier" or " first" ?

learn to read, you tire me.

>>16667033
>it's for drifting!
>no
>lol I didn't really mean that I swear it's for going slow on purpose, Toyota wants to advertise that

You were just pretending to shill for it weren't you?

>>16667032
...... were you just born stupid?
yes the 86 is marketed that way because it's not about fucking speed. it's about an enjoyable driving experience that's not far off both on the money front and the speed front.
Yes, the v6 corolla is probably faster, but that's not the point of the car.

>>16667030
but you can't afford it, so what does that make you?

a neet?
homeless?

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>>16666966
>>With the WRX you get an economy car seating position
>It has bucket seats dude
There is a huge difference between driving in an Elise and driving in a 5 series. Both have bucket seats.
>>, AWD understeer,
>The brz has Rwd oversteer, push and pull
Oversteer>understeer
>>turbo lag,
>The turbo lag (if any) doesn't get in the way of the car's performance. The torque peak is at like 2k rpm, it's a powerful car and there's little evidence of it suffering from turbo lag
I'm not saying the lag takes away from the performance, but NA throttle response is always better than turbos, unless you are talking about 60000 dollar cars. How many turbocharged cars have you owned anon?
>> and hundreds of pounds of extra weight.
>And it's still faster and more agile despite being slight heavier.
Faster yes, not more agile though.
>>I'm not saying the WRX is a bad car, it's just but as fun to drive.
>In your opinion
Of course. I'm not the only one who feels that way though.

>>16667045
>it's about an enjoyable driving experience
So lemme get this straight. You can't name a single feature, fact or show anything in anyway that this car is superior in any fashion to other cars of similar price so you've delved so deep that you have to use baseless, unreasonable, immeasurable feats to trying and reason as to why it's good Aka a fucking subjective opinion at best.

>>16667048

>but you can't afford it, so what does that make you?

....but my car is worth more than an 86?

So I guess that makes me an employed adult who see's the 86 for the poor mans sports car that it is?

>>16667052
>There is a huge difference between driving in an Elise and driving in a 5 series. Both have bucket seats.
Just fucking adjust the seat if you want a leaner seat position Jesus christ this is autistic

>oversteer>understeer
In your fucking opinion

>throttle response
The wrx will take off just as quick I don't even know what you're attempting to argue let alone quantify here since the wrx accelerates faster and has superior torque so its obvious throttle response from a stop doesn't matter at all
>it's not more agile
It goes around turns faster than the brz, it's more agile because it had a superior weight to power ratio. The brz isn't light enough for the weight difference to matter
>feels
You can't measure feels, your feelings don't matter in the real world

>>16667033
>You tire me
But does he Prius tire you?

>BRZ weighs as much as my 17 year old wagon, produces less power, doesn't hold as many tinnies and has a lower safety rating.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew.

this thread gave me cancer

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>>16667091
>i'm going to lie on the Internet

>>16647557
It's nice to have a sports car back in toyotas lineup
I wish one with the Monza exhaust didn't push 29k before markup
My opinion on the chassis is that it's the new Silvia. Not very impressive stock but with aftermarket encouraged by the manufacturer plus the basic necessities of decent weight, RWD, and stick shift.
It's what you wanted to come to America you just can't wrap your heads around what you have to do to them to make them truly impressive.
Ain't nobody who actually drives gotten in a stock S13 and thought "man what a fucking racecar" SR20 or no

>>16667142

>I don't believe employed adults post on the internet

Might be time to put the phone away, your bus stop is coming up.

ITT post-purchase rationalization

>>16647573
>new 86: around 41,500€
>new ecoboost mustang: around 52,000 €

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>>16667110
I don't even know where to start with this post.

What I'm saying is obviously going over your head.

>>16667229

>What I'm saying

Not the other anon, but the problem is you're not saying anything.

You're spouting feelings, not facts.

>>16667229
>Gee willikers why doesn't the anon agree with my opinions?
Maybe it's because you have no facts or anything but your feelings and opinions

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>>16667236
>>16667258
Right, because seating position in a car is just a feeling right?

Go drive an Elise and you will know what I'm talking about.

>>16667301
You're fucking autistic with this vomit.

>>16667301
>It's the "I bought a brz for the seat position" shill
>26k for the seat to be more lean

>>16667301
I'm not a manlet I can't sit in an Elise because I'm not under 5'7". My knees hit the dash and the seat won't go back far enough for any sort of comfort it's like a miata except gay

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>>16667301

>Elise

Ironically, I do, an early 00's one admittedly, but it's the reason as to why i'm so passe about the 86 in every respect.

And literally every car i've owned since high school is the same, my nightfillers special KE70 was a far more enjoyable drivers car, hell my clapped out GTS-t I had at Uni was lighter and faster than the BRZ, and that's a car that's almost 30 years old now, MR2 was in a different league entirely and my S15 was nigh on perfect with the stock 250hp.

Maybe it's an American thing as they're just aren't a lot of other options?

I dunno.

>>16667337

>tfw 5'4 manlet and fit in Elise perfectly.

gf struggles though.

>>16667182
They cost about the same in America

>people ITT unironically picking Ecoboost Mustang
All of my keks

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>>16667310
>>16667317
Never been to a track I guess?

I'm not just talking about the 86, I'm talking about any legitimate sports car (corvette, Cayman, 370z). All have low seating positions.

The original comment started with comparing the WRX and 86. You can't just simply adjust the seat in the WRX to get the same position.

Are you guys just pretending to be retarded?

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>>16667382
Seating position is irrelevant to people who drive around on beat up shitboxes

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>>16667382

So, despite the fact that it's not dynamically a sports car, because it has a low seat height you can pretend it's a sports car....and that makes it a real sports car?

>>16667465
Define sports car

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>>16667465
Can you stop moving goal posts?

This is how that whole topic started.

>>There is a huge difference between driving in an Elise and driving in a 5 series. Both have bucket seats.

>Just fucking adjust the seat if you want a leaner seat position Jesus christ this is autistic

The above poster is obviously autistic and I was just trying to explain why.

>A sports car (sportscar) is a small, usually two seater, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling.

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Wait so people don't like this car because it can't do highway pulls or something?

>>16667503
>GT86
>spirited performance

>>16667628
Are you implying performance is only determined by power output?

>>16667382
>never been to a track
oh I thought we werent fucking benchracers around here. The BRZ gets killed by the WRX.

>its the low seating position that makes it go fast
ok

>>16667654
Its one of the largest factors

the BRZ lacks:
-power
-torque
-raw speed
-acceleration (usually determined by torque)
-real agility (its still to heavy to have any benefit of the low weight vs other cars)

Its not sporty in any sense of the word fast. "performance car" is a term I WOULDNT use to describe it

>>16667667
Not him, but you don't compare the two cars completely different vehicles/purposes

>>16667676
lets try this shit again
What is the purpose of the BRZ?

don't tell me its not meant for the track then ask "have you ever been to the track?"

>>16667675
Nobody claims it's fast, it's a fun sportscar to be enjoyed on good roads. It's also not heavy at all for what it is

>>16667686
>fun
fun is a buzzword you use when you run out of reasons why something is good so all you have to fall back on is your feelings and opinions

>its not heavy
who cares how much it weighs, it gets killed by everything heavier than it. Gimme a call when its 1000lbs lighter and not just 500lbs

>>16667684
>What is the purpose of the BRZ?
A lightweight car to be enjoyed on good roads
>>16667694
Have you ever driven one outside a dealer parking lot?
>who cares how much it weighs
You keep bringing up weight, 2700 lbs on a RWD coupe isn't bad at all

>>16667711
>A lightweight car to be enjoyed on good roads
>a light weight
ok so a frivolous feature that doesn't get the brz anything
>to be enjoyed on good roads
so every other car can't be enjoyed on good roads?

>Have you ever driven one outside a dealer parking lot?
Yea and the WRX is faster in literally every metric for the same price.
>its 2700lbs on a RWD coupe isn't bad
and what does that get you? 500 pounds less and the WRX is faster. Weight doesn't mean fuck all when you have nothing to show for it

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>>16667667
Lol Jesus you're dumb. How is me talking about the very basics of driving on a track considered benchracing? I'm not quoting lap times or magazine specs.

I have not once in all my posts said the 86 was fast.

People in this thread seem to be hell-bent on trying to convince me that the WRX is the faster car, but I never implied that it wasn't. The WRX is undoubtedly faster.

>>16667732
Not all cars are equally enjoyable to drive, much less on good roads. Of course the WRX is faster I never claimed it wasnt, I know the WRX isn't as enjoyable to drive that's for sure

>>16667738
>Lol Jesus you're dumb. How is me talking about the very basics of driving on a track considered benchracing? I'm not quoting lap times or magazine specs.

>take it to the track
>but I don't care about it being fast or what my lap times are

like going to a restaurant and not buying food or something.

you're autistic

>>16667756
In your opinion

>>16667758
You would say the WRX is more enjoyable to drive than 86?

>>16667768
>asking for an opinion

>>16667768
Yea, its faster, more powerful, more agile because its not weak as fuck, better. its objectively a superior car

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>>16667758
>>take it to the track
>>but I don't care about it being fast or what my lap times are
>like going to a restaurant and not buying food or something.
>you're autistic

The most tracked car in the States in the Mazda Miata. Literally slower than a minivan.

What's your point again?

>>16667788
>I'm not concerned with the track, fuck you benchracer
>lol have you ever been to the track
did you go like half way around then retire?

>>16667779
WRX doesn't take turns as well and steering is loose as fuck

>>16667793
The WRX takes turns faster in every way. This is NOT debatable.