>mfw Alfa is taking revenge on BMW for them ripping them off

>BMW is taking revenge on BMW by making BMW ripoffs that worse than the originals

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>>16648155

>built by south Italian niggers
>better than anything

bazinga

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>>16648390
>bmw fangirl
rotflmao, can't make this shit up
stay btfo, V6 master race

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>>16648439
>280 kph max speed

>>16648390
>south Italian niggers
Lol. Are southern Italians considered lower-class?

>>16648507
All of southern Europe is considered lower class.

T. Scandi

>>16648647
t. somali

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>>16648647

>>16648439
enjoy your inherent imbalance, cuck

>>16648844
>damage control
enjoy being slow, cuck
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a30714/alfa-romeo-giulia-nurburgring-lap-time/

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>>16648439
>1700kg

Fucking hell

>>16649327
but that's bullshit

>>16649482
Youre mom a shit

>>16649511
:(

>>16649523
:-)

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>tfw no giulia qv to humiliate bmws, amgs and audis
>tfw I'll have to keep humiliating only audis with my 2000 renault laguna because the others smoke it every single time except for the 316i and the odd badly driven 320i

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When am I going to see more Alfa's here in Burgerland? There is a dealership (or two) in my area but still don't see them on the road.

I'd like to test drive one.

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>>16650712
that colossal faggot Doug DeMuro from Gawker got some guy to lend him his QV to make a review and he couldn't even figure out the blinkers
meanwhile I ride the bus

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>>16648647
fuck off snownigger

>>16650673
>humiliating only audis with my 2000 renault laguna
I bet it was real in your mind

>>16654451
>t. audi's marketing team

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>>16647258
A true godmachine

>>16658591
And it's already fucking up in departments that shouldn't fuck up. Like literally how do they manage to fuck something so simple as the fucking stero?

>>16658608
what are you talking about?

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>>16658591
it's so beautiful

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>>16648439
>slower than a 430hp m3

>>16658774
>QV is that slow on the eboladrome

Holy kek

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>>16648445
bmw a shit

>>16648445
German cars have max governed speeds, it's a gentlemans agreement.
A derestricted M3/M4 can do above 300kph easily.
On topic: I can't see why anyone in a right mind would spend $70+k for a V6 automatic sedan with poor build quality and no brand recognition, it's just beyond me.

>>16648439
>twin turbo
>60 more bhp
>is only able to beat the M3 by .4 of a second
and this impresses you?

>>16648439
>>16658842
Also reminder that the Alfa Giulia comes standard with Pirelli P Zero Corsa Asimmetrico 2 semi slicks which adds greatly to lap times and driving feel. Only the tyres wear out every 5-10k miles.

>>16658825
I mean it looks pretty benign but runs an 11 second quarter mile.
Hell I'd want one just for the drag strip fun that would bring, and if I were rich enough to afford it (or had a better credit score) I'd actually do just that.

>>16658849
>asimetrico
>semi slick

no

>>16658996
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero+Corsa+System
>The P Zero Corsa Direzionale tires mold Pirelli's innovative racing tread compound into a semi-slick, V-shaped directional tread design
Yes.

>>16659086
wrong description, it's this one:
>The P Zero Corsa Asimmetrico 2 tread design is inspired by Pirelli's P Zero Max Performance Summer tire and features a semi-slick, low void ratio and a large external shoulder structure.

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>>16658825
>alfa fucking romeo
>no brand recognition

>>16658626
Ignore him, he doesn't know that the entire infotainment is made from magneti Marelli, an FCA owned company which makes infotainment among other things for many companies such as BMW.

Alfa Romeo now uses harman kardon surround as top tier optional hi-fi system.

Probably he's the usual American faggot who cries on consumer reports because THE RADIO DOESN'T WORK and he didn't think about reading the instructions provided with the car itself

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>>16658797
>holy kek

First you don't know what eboladrome is because if you knew that you wouldn't have made such a poor troll comment.

The Giulia drove on a very wet track and was only 1 second slower than the new Honda nsx supercar which costs twice.

Another idiot purged.

>>16658842
The M3 had to equip 10.000€ of optionals to keep up with the Giulia.

Competition package, 20" ultralight rims, more advanced suspension setup, etc.

In the review they say that the M3 is basically undrivable on normal roads and that it's specifically made for the track with the competition package while the Giulia not only beat the pimped M3 but also was equipped with the same suspension setup and tyres you have as standard...and it's actusllt usable on roads.

Let's talk again in some years when the Giulia will have all the options that the M3 has now, maybe we'll see a competition package for the Giulia, who knows.

Since then, stfu you nature's joke.

>>16659492
>Probably he's the usual American faggot who cries on consumer reports because THE RADIO DOESN'T WORK and he didn't think about reading the instructions provided with the car itself
so Doug from gawker tier >>16651581

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>>16659518
The difference between the BMW Ms, the AMGs, the Polestars, the Audi RSs is that the Giulia QV isn't a base car with mods, but rather the base Giulias are the same as the QV with tamer engines. So you get QV handling in your base Giulia, it's awesome.

>there's still people buying German performance cars when the Giulia exists
>mfw

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Besides the improved performance, I think another thing the Alfa Giulia QV has going for it is there aren't a billion of them on the road. If you get a an AMG C63 AMG or a BMW M3, there are still a bunch of them on the road (at least in decent areas), and they don't really set themselves apart from the regular models that well either. The Alfa looks very unique.

If you are spending 80k on a BMW or Mercedes, you aren't going to be getting anything unique. But 80k on this car, well there just aren't many of them out. It's a head turner.

>>16659518
Competition Package costs $5500
BMW M3 base price 64k+5500=69.500k $
Alfa Giulia QV base (empty) price $72k for a V6 autotragic sedan with italian unreliability and track tyres
The Giulia is overpriced garbage

>>16654451
Renault has pretty great V6 engines. They are rare though.

>>16660356
The QV isn't that different from the regular Giulia though. That said, it's pretty awesome.
>>16660593
It's a Volvo 2.0 4-banger, not the V6.

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>>16660550
>spend 5.5k on top of your M3
>still uglier than the giulia
>still inferior handling to the giulia's
>still slower than the giulia
can't make this shit up rotflmao

>>16661055
You don't use apostrophes to form plurals in English, retard.

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>>16661055
>handling inferior

Is that why it kept up with less power? Something doesn't add up here
>still comes with a stick in america
Sorry, still rather own an M3ZCP

Alfa's brand recognition is that some of them look good & none of them are reliable.

Off course there are exceptions.

Also, holy shit 1700 kg that fucker is heavy. wtf alfa?
and lol the reason that car wins is because they gave it hueg power. it's too heavy to credit it to anything else.

>>16661653
The reviewers themselves have said it's not suitable for use in the street because of how uncontrollable it is. Thanks but I'll take the Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde.

>>16661055
inferior handling?
On what do you base this?
Have you seen these laptimes?
>>16658774
Everywhere where chassis performance is required the M3 slaughters the QV, the Alfa only gets close because it has 500+ horsepower on other tracks.

>>16661763
Please tell me how uncontrollable the M3 is after doing groceries in every day traffic and actually driving like a normal person instead of a total fucking moron.

"uncontrollable" is a. relative and b. up to your right foot.

>>16661763
You are confusing the M3 CP with the M4 GTS
All reviewers are praising te Competition Package on the M3/M4

>>16661637
>thinks I was trying to form a plural
>calls me a retard
I was obviously referring to the giulia's handling when I said "still inferior handling to the giulia's", retard.
>>16661733
>and lol the reason that car wins is because they gave it hueg power. it's too heavy to credit it to anything else.
yet it has barely 22 more hp/tonne
>>16661653
>kept up
it didn't, it lost

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>>16661055
>spend $72k+ on a V6 autotragic sedan
>no brand recognition
>shit build quality
>shit interior quality
>slower than base M3
>>16658774
>literally looks like a retarded owl
pic related.
Alfa fags will actually defend this

>>16661818
the only thing that's retarded on the m3 is that the 2 door version isn't called m3 and the wing mirror's upper leg doesn't connect to the body.

>>16652385
med genes god tier imo lad

>>16661818
>it's still better than a BMW in every conceivable way somehow

>>16661817
in some cases the total power(and TORQUE. torque matters more) matters more than hp/tonne.
See the gayron for instance.

>>16661818
>muh brand recognition
maybe in Burgerland where people are so ignorant they don't know the brand that has ruled motorsport with an iron fist since its inception
>shit build quality
t. benchracer who never saw a Giulia IRL
>shit interior quality
top kek, it has some of the most gorgeous interiors among current cars
the way they integrated the navi screen is particularly refresing and beautiful
>slower than base M3
wrong
>literally looks like a retarded owl
don't talk about your mother like that

>>16661841
butthurt alfa fanboy detected.

>>16661856
>>slower than base M3
>wrong

It's actually true. See >>16658774

>>16661857
found the butthurt bmw fangirl
stay btfo

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>>16661817
>it lost
The base 425hp M3 is faster than the 510hp Giulia QV
How do you even defend this LMAO
>>16658774
>>16661055
>muh beautiful looks
You can't unironically like this retarded front end.
It looks ok from other angles because it is copied from BMW though

>>16661877
>copied from BMW
kek
it's based on the 156
and it's a lot prettier than the bimmer
>The base 425hp M3 is faster than the 510hp Giulia QV
>How do you even defend this LMAO
see >>16659504
>>16661868 see >>16658774

>>16661873
actually i'm not really butthurt because i don't like any of the 2.

I'd rather have an e46.

But yes, enjoy your delusion that the alfa is better than the bmw. :) I urge you to buy both, drive them daily for 2 years and then take them to the track for a 6 hour endurance session.

>>16661886
you're actually referencing to the post I also referenced to, which proves my point.
Your point being? the Alfa is slower where it matters?
Indeed it is.

>>16661841
>better than M3
That is literally what all italicucks tell themselves when they go to sleep to feel better, and that's ok.
It's fine to defend your domestic cars no matter how shit they are

>>16661892
>delusion
It set a Nürburgring record with a bad tire. The only delusional faggot here is you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gEdJmIVqLY

>>16661900
I meant to quote >>16659504 not >>16658774

>>16661856
>ruled motorsport
With FWD shitboxes?
Lmao sure
>muh beautiful interiors
They are poorly built.
And still
>slower than the F30 chassis from 2011
Can't make this shit up.

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>>16661900
>spoon and egg races
>"where it matters"

>>16661914
>poorly built
nice try bimmer shill
I bet you've never seen a Giulia, let alone sit in one

>But the M3 has wonky steering and feels heavy compared with the Alfa and . . . I can’t believe I’ve just written that.
t. Jeremy Clarkson

>>16661940
Fucking delusional alfa shill the poor interior quality is addressed literally in EVERY Giulia review

drive the alfa and bmw for 3 years and then tell me about their respective build quality :)

Or chassis performance.

>>16661973
This, the Alfa weighs fucking 3800lbs and it doesn't even come with a DCT
If you use different tyres instead of the standard Pirelli semislicks you end up with a pigfat autotragic unreliable boat with a shit interior lmao.

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>>16661958
>having the nerve to blatantly lie like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaTn3gaCQYk

>>16662018
>lie
Holy shit you thick headed imbecile just read any Giulia review, including the Motor Trend review where the Giulia "won"

>>16662046
>Holy shit you thick headed imbecile just read any Giulia review, including the Motor Trend review where the Giulia "won"
That's called "appeasing the burgers". If they dared to question the bad reputation of Alfa, they'd never hear the end of it.

>>16662062
Alfa has no reputation in Burgerland.
They are just entering the market now with the Giulia
Every single review on the planet is addressing the Giulias interior build quality, not just American reviewers.

>>16658825
>No brand recognition
Spotted the American

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>>16661900
>slower where it matters
said the fangirl of the brand that never won Le Mans

>>16662211
BMW has won le mans tho

>>16662211
what brand never won le mans?
toyota? honda?
we're not talking about those in this thread.

>>16662046
>>16662122
>Front or back, you’ll be treated with a stylish and nicely appointed interior. Leather is standard on all Giulias, and it’s rich soft stuff. It’s also on the dash and doors and features accent stitching. The dashboard design is interesting and original, featuring a frameless infotainment screen which disappears into the surrounding black panel when you turn it off. The software itself is a bit layered, but if you can figure out systems from German automakers, you’ll pick this one up fairly quickly. The rotary controller itself feels cheap, as if it’s about to pop right off in your hands.

>Front or back, you’ll be treated with a stylish and nicely appointed interior. Leather is standard on all Giulias, and it’s rich soft stuff.
>Front or back, you’ll be treated with a stylish and nicely appointed interior. Leather is standard on all Giulias, and it’s rich soft stuff.

the only thing they bash is the rotary controller, fuck off

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>>16662222
>>16662223
my bad, it won ONCE
literally Renault tier
can't make this shit up

>>16662239
And alfa won it in 31-34 when ferrari wasn't a thing yet. Nor were bmw automobiles realistically. involving le mans is quatsch.

>>16662262
>damage control
Ferrari was originally a scuderia that raced Alfas, stay btfo

>>16662262
BMW was a pretty big thing in the 1930's actually.
See BMW 328

>>16662227
Read the MT review
Dont have it on my phone
Or any standard Giulia (non QV) review
They always note how the Giulia is lacking in interior quality departement.

>>16662211
BMW has won LeMans, competed in F1, produced F1 engines for decades, they also built the McLaren F1 engine (aka best car engine ever), what has Alfa done?
Produced cheap unreliable FWD crapboxes?
The Giulia is their first decent car since the last 50 years.

>>16648439
Holy shit what the fuck BMW.

>>16658774
431 hp car faster than a 510hp car
Ouch.
Just shows how poorly engineered the Giulia really is.

>>16662425
>260 lbs heavier
>wet track
really made me think

>>16662485
Still more power to weight and semi slicks, no excuses stats wise.
Also how do you know the M3 lap time was set on a dry road? It is often wet in Britain

>>16662519
>Also how do you know the M3 lap time was set on a dry road? It is often wet in Britain
Because a car that takes 7:50 to complete Nürburgring (a circuit that's far more taxing on chassis performance, by the way) beating a car that completed it in 7:32 is pretty suspicious.

>>16662519
>implying weight doesn't hit handling harder in the wet
>implying semi slicks are better when it's wet

>>16662540
The M3 has no Nurburgring time recorded though. The claimed 7:50 time was done in the M4 by a journalist.
And the Nurburgring is more taxing on the cars power output, it's shorter tracks where the cars chassis and suspension win races instead of power
>>16662549
Was talking about tracks in general not just the Eboladrome

>>16662601
>shorter tracks
Irrelevant. Nürburgring is full of hard corners.

>>16662630
Don't be so ignorant, it has plenty of straights where pure power and best max speed is needed (such as the final straight "Dottinger hohe")

>>16662669
Yeah and Eboladrome are just straights and soft corners, who are you trying to kid?

>>16661008
>The QV isn't that different from the regular Giulia though
So then is the regular one the best deal? Get most the performance for a lot less? I realize these will depreciate like rocks, but still curious.

>>16662859
I was talking about the looks you autistic faggot

>>16662859
>depreciate like rocks
>implying commodities face depreciation
kek, if anything their price goes up unless a new deposit is found

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>>16648390
>>16648844
>>16658608
>>16658774
>>16658797
>>16658825
>>16658842
>>16660550
>>16661637
>>16661653
>>16661733
>>16661778
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>>16661914
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>>16661993
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>>16662222
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>>16662425
>>16662519
>>16662601
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>>16662859
>all this damage control
hahahahahahaha show me where the bad Giulia touched you

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>>16648439

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>>16663372
>fake lap times

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Say it with me:
>diesel

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>>16663522
>crowd starts cheering and clapping
>FIAT
>crowd goes insane shouting USA USA USA

>>16663522
>>16663545
diesel
>crowd leans in anticipation
1.3L
>crowd starts cheering and clapping
FIAT
>crowd goes insane shouting USA USA USA

FTFY

>>16648844
>professional car reviewers are saying that the unbalanced 90* V6 is actually smoother than the straight 6 in the m3
Alfa Romeo engineers are truly godlike

>>16658774
>the Eboladrome is now listed on fastestlaps
kek
Anyway, wasn't the Alfa's lap wet while the BMW's was dry?

>>16661845
>TORQUE matters more

This retarded meme needs to die. Torque does not move a vehicle, power does. I can create 500lb/ft of torque with a big breaker bar but the car is going to go absolutely nowhere because I can't create any POWER with my body.

>TLDR: lrn 2 physics scrub

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>>16658774
>omg 435 bhp beats 510 xDD
>german engineering best engineering
>ignoring that the m3 weights less
>just split second faster which is perfectly accountable for the weight difference
are you being retarded or are you trying to justifing your poor choice of having bought a bmw?

>>16666047
so your engine spends all it's time at the peak power point of it's rev range?
eat shit. it's not a meme, it's the fucking truth.

Come back when you actually know shit.

>>16666063
Torque is not what's moving the car, power is. Of course I don't spend all my time at peak power, bit if I'm accelerating from a stand still the power at say 2500 rpm is what's moving the car, not torque

>>16666093
>torque is not what's moving the car, power is
>horsepower = (torque x rpm) / 5252
i don't think you know the full story

>>16663400
keep telling that to yourself italian cuckboy

>>16666102
Okay I'll play your game, observe

Assuming equal weight car A has 5252 torque, but makes it at 1RPM, using the HP equation that car has 1HP. Car B has 5252 torque (same as car A) but makes it at 5252 rpm yielding 5252 HP. The cars have EQUAL torque but car B will accelerate much faster. And in an ideal world with no friction losses. It will accelerate 5252 times faster. Now tell me again why torque means something

>>16666131
horsepower is the speed which power can be deliver, so of course car b will accellerate faster because altought it delivers the same torque by doing it 5252 times a minute it will output more power. You proved nothing instead you proved me right.

>>16666156
So you admit that it's the power moving the car not the torque? Because that what you just said

>>16666162
of course power is moving the car, but power itself is a product of torque and rpms. So you can't just say that torque means nothing

>>16666162
so, remove torque from the equation.
what happens?

>inb4 car does not move at all because the engine can't produce the power

>>16666176
Jesus there's hope for you yet. Fine I admit that saying torque is meaningless is misleading. BUT, it's still the HP moving the car not torque, never has been, never will be

>>16663274
stay mad Alfista

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>>16666036
GODMACHINE
O
D MACHINE

>>16648155
Underrated

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>>16666120
>SPOONFEED ME MOMMY!
as expected
stay btfo

>>16666156
>horsepower is the speed which power can be deliver
wrong
horsepower is power, power is the rate at which work can be delivered

>>16666257
>implying mad
1/10
you get 1 because you made me reply

>>16666062
>ignoring the Alfa has better power to weight ratio
>ignoring the fact that Alfa is running on SEMI SLICKS
>>16666307
>spoonfeed me
do you even know what it means you autistic fucktard?
apparently the alfa fan base consists of autistic underage kids

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>>16667402
>no argument
as expected
can't make this shit up rotflmao

>>16666257
>Alfista
>mad
pick one

>>16667402
as if you weren't asking to be spoonfed the reasoning behind calling those lap times fake lol
keep telling yourself your M3 will perform like those special modified press cars

>>16668452
where's the proof?

>>16667456
>no argument
stated some arguments in that post, you are literally retarded.

Why is bmw damage control always through the roof? Do they really need to justify their meme machines that much?
Interior bashing seems to be their "thing" even though bmw interiors are full of as much plastic as audis

t. shopper who drove lots of premium brands

>>16670467
it's just the alfistas making all these BMW bashing threads even though the Giulia is slower than the old base M3 and italicucks don't want to admit it
>>16658774

>>16670467
When you claim to make "the ultimate driving machine" and a bunch of dudes called Luigi, Mario and Guido who haven't made a RWD car in decades make the fastest sedan in the world in their first attempt, your carefully built reputation starts crumbling. Desperate times call for desperate measures, so BMW shills are out in full force at every corner of the internet where the Giulia is mentioned. It's damage control because deep down, they know that the M3 can't even compete. I can't blame them though. After all, the Giulia is for all intents and purposes a Ferrari sedan with an Alfa badge.

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>>16671898
>muh fastest sedan in the world
>slower than a 430hp M3
>if i ignore it will go away!!
Delusional alfa cucks lmfao
The alfa is also slower than the C63S sedan
>BUT MUH SOUL

>>16648445
>implying top speed has anything to do with the overall qualities of a car

>>16671898
also
>no rear wheel drive car in decades
What is the 8C?
4C?
FWD cars?
Lmao italicucks can't even in their own brand, let alone other superior brands.

>>16671950
top speed matters when you are a 13 year old

>>16671940
DELET THIS!

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>"""fastest sedan in the world"""
>an unreliable shitheap
>trash interior
>2 turbos and semi slicks
>still slower than all German counterparts (C63/M3)
>retarded looks
>autotragic
>V6
You literally have to be brain damaged to be a fan of the Giulia

>>16671940
Let me trigger you:
>7:32

>>16671953
coupes don't count
carrying 2 people is what bikes are for

>>16672073
>no rear wheel drive car
>posts RWD cars
>don't count
Lmfao alfistas

>>16647258
How does the M4 competition compare with the Alfa

>bench racing $100k cars you will never own or even drive

/o/ u so crazy

>>16672181
no one on /o/ can afford one? nobody?

>>16672183
none of the fucking spastics who spend their time shitposting about them, that's for sure

>>16672195
So if you can't afford a car you can't talk about it? So retarded

>>16672089
""""cars""""

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>>16658774
>muh fake lap times of different drivers on different days with special modified bmw press cars
tob kek
Are you implying that lap times are not perfectly-correlated comparisons?

I mean, different drivers on different tires in different weather with varying levels of familiarity with the vehicle doesn't seem like it could add that much variability, right?

;P

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>>16672294
>different tyres
yeah because the Giulia performs so poorly they have to use semi slicks by standard, with the same tyres as the M3/C63 the Alfa would show awful track performance.
>different drivers
same drivers and conditions in pic related
and here
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergleichstest/alfa-giulia-qv-mercedes-c-63-s-bmw-m3-sportlimousinen-test-11566116.html

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>>16672423
wrong pic.

>>16672169
m4 competition is faster.

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>>16672427
>german press are slower in the italian car

>>16672427
>the c63s is getting slower
gret job amg!

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>>16672476
>german press give german car higher "emotion" score than italian car

>>16672476

tin foil hat detected.
No they didn't do it on purpose, check the sector times. the sectors the alfa lost it in are not sectors you can sandbag similar cars and still only lose .18 of a second

Also, Italy and Germany are buddies from the last century.

>>16658591
That's a spicy meat-a-ball-a right there

>>16672522
>the sectors the alfa lost it in are not sectors you can sandbag similar cars and still only lose
the sector with the biggest BMW advantage was the straight, really makes you think huh

>>16672577
That too, since it has 70 horses less than the alfa +-
really good engine Alfa.
Have you checked the top speeds they reached?

>>16672427
>no information on the transmissions
There's too much info missing from that picture

>>16672427
funny, the M3 is faster than the M4

>inb4 muh coupe

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>be german "journalist"
>go to the track
>race the alfa in dynamic mode
>THE BMW IS FASTER GUYS

>>16672601
It's really telling that they had to put Mario behind the wheel to get an honest lap time in Nurburgring.

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>>16672583
All cars were automatic

>>16672577
according to the description the BMW was able to be fastest at straights thanks to its improved cornering and turn-in capabilities, it could accelerate faster after corners

>>16672787
>bmw has superior chassis performance
Tell us something we don't know?

>>16658648
it looks great on photos, but irl it looks like a shitty knock off of mazda, was really disappointed when I saw it

>>16672818
>knock off of mazda
what lol

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>>16672796

>>16661908
>It set a Nürburgring record with a bad tire
sorry?

>>16673690
Listen to the squeak in 1:42 and watch the close call that comes after, with the low tire pressure warning popping up

>>16661908
>>16674218
Wow, that guy has some serious balls. He doesn't even wear a racing suit.

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>>16674646
Word has it that the thing FCA drivers fear the most is being filed under "chicken shit" in their fellow Italians' books for not living up to their heritage. They'd rather be dead than be called chicken shit.

>>16672796
BMW indeed does have superior chassis performance, it outperforms its competition (c63, giulia, cadillac) with less power.
On longer tracks the lack of horsepower can be noticed though

>>16675514
>it outperforms its competition (c63, giulia, cadillac) with less power.
I didn't see it going around the burger king faster than the giulia

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>>16675514
Track length would matter if these weren't flying start laps, just fuck off already. What matters isn't track length but how much of it are straights. The most likely reason for the M3 winning is that the driver was more familiar with it and more confident to push it to the limit.

>>16662227
At first I didn't like the rotary controller. I was used to the touchscreen on my Regal. But it's actually much more ergonomic than leaning forward to touch the screen and then you don't have fingerprints...

>>16647258
>FCA
>ever

>>16671940
Cucks will defend not having v8.

>>16647258
>better
>implying
If uglier and with no manual option is better than yeah but no

>>16678011
I actually cheered when I saw it wasn't a touchscreen, I loathe the concept of using a touchscreen while driving.

>>16679368
>I loathe the concept of using a touchscreen while driving.
same. That's why I'm getting a GT350. Screw not having physical buttons.

>there are people on/o/ who are unanimously defending FCA products

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>>16681335
>unanimously

>>16681363
>>16681335
>unironically
Fuck

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>>16681335
>2015
>Challenger SRT Hellcat, fastest and quickest sedan in the world

>2016
>Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde, fastest sedan in the world at Nürburgring

Is there anything FCA can't do? They kick ass on both sides of the Atlantic, showing who's boss and making everyone else beat the dust.

>See you around.... Giulia

>>16681428
Italians made Chrysler great, the company that was once so bad it ran Mercedes-Benz into the ground. Really makes you think, huh?

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>ywn have as much skill and balls as him
why live

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>want to buy the alfa romeo
>have to get on a 10000+ person waiting list

holy shit this thread is still going on?

>>16682365
Bump

>>16681549
truly Trabant tier, kek

>>16648507
Yes

>>16681512
that guy probably has frost in his blood lol

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>>16666062
>it's bmw's fault the alfa is so fucking obese

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>>16682994
I think the word you're looking for is ice, unless you were trying to make a Frosty reference. Who BTW isn't cold blooded at all.

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>>16684589
>that wing
gets me every time

>>16684589
Can you rip fukken hektiks if you are cold blooded though?

reminder that mjet drives a 1.3L diesel fiat

>>16686787
I'd rather drive a Punto than ride the fucking bus desu. Besides, Puntos are pretty cool. It's not like we're talking about some Brazilian abomination like the Panda-based Uno, or the Palio.

>>16687287
Sup mjet
I'd rather ride the bus than drive a shitty diesel Fiat, and the Punto isn't cool
there's a reason why your car is considered the worst of /o/ and you're the laughing stock of the board

>>16687310
>I'd rather ride the bus than drive a shitty diesel Fiat

That's because you're insecure.

I bet you're one those faggots who post videos and creepshots of their relatives in the incest threads on /b/.

Also, post your DD so we can laugh at you.

>>16661778

Literally everyone agrees the Alfa QV is a better car except BWM autist cucks, Alfa is faster, rides better, is cheaper and the interior doesn't look like shit. What else could you ask for really, as long is it's reliable then the car is a winner.

Only a cuck would pick the outdated m3 over the Giulia.

>>16658825

Is this bait?

>>16688374
>literally everyone
Lmao who? one or 2 italicucks?
Nobody gives a shit about some generic V6 autotragic sedan Giulia, it will never outsell or outperform the Benchmark.
>>16658774

>>16688537
So, as a normal Lexus IS drives and handles better than a normal 3 series the whole thing doesn't matter because the Japanese car doesn't outsell the BMW.

>BMW fangirls logic

Justin Bieber is a better artist than the Beatles because he sold mode albums

>this thread is 7 days old
lmao @ BMWcucks being this butthurt
Have a bump m8

>>16688649
The alfa will never outsell the M3 because it's slower on track and weighs more than a 5 series

>>16688654
>lmao @ Fiatcucks being this butthurt

ftfy

>>16688252
>I bet you're one those faggots who post videos and creepshots of their relatives in the incest threads on /b/.
>implying those are actually of relatives and it's not people memeing for the lulz
how new are you?

>>16688374
It's not cheaper lol, even if the rest is true
>>16688537
>the Benchmark.
the Giulia is the benchmark now
>7:32

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>>16688654
thanks m8, much appreciated
let the butthurt flow through them
>>16688778
>projecting this hard
>mfw

>>16688851
>implying >>16688654 wasn't the true projection and I wasn't just setting the record straight

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>>16658591
The headlights look retarded tbqfhwy

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>>16688920
how so?
>>16688857
kek, stay btfo
let me know when the M3 matches the Panamera, I'm not even asking for it to beat the Giulia because it can't even compete

>>16688920
Not really. Just looks like modern headlights.

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>>16688953
>giulia
>compete

LMFAO!!!

>>16688964
>costs $10k less
>has 80 horsepower less
>still wrecks the Giulia
ouch.

>>16688953
>Panamera
But the Panamera competes with big luxury cars such as the 5/6 series, Mercedes CLS, Audi A8, what does the Panamera have to do with anything?
Alfa fags truly are fucked in the head

>>16689031
Not to mention it's several years older. I can't even imagine how badly the next M3 will kill it.

>>16688964
So the Alfa has a better straight line acceleration but it is still slower on track. Another straight line performer ''m3 competitor''.
Yeah nah I'd rather get the M3 for the cornering fun and driving pleasure

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>>16689042
So you admit the M3 can't even compete with a pigfat full size luxury car? By the way the Panamera competes with the 7 series, not the 5
Stay BTFO, the Giulia beats both the Panamera and the M3
>https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/battle-of-the-sedans/

>>16688964
>>16689031
>>16689046
>>16689051
>slower on the track
>M3 does the burgerking in 7:48
can't make this shit up

>>16688920
HNNNNNNNGGGH

>AR making the Guilletta a RWD car
>BMW making the 1-series a FWD car
Which car manufacturer is more based in this scenario

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BIG NEWS GUYS

I'm happy to announce that Alfa Romeo has finally released an accessible Giulia for every BMW fangirl here and in the world!

>pic related

>>16689283
>BMW cucks will defend this
By the way I didn't know the news, the new Giulietta looks awesome. Must be because it because from the B pillar until the front it looks like a Giulia

>>16689323
Another good news is that the mito is going to die after the end of its career.

>>16689245
But it literally is slower on track, are you retarded?
>>16688964

>>16689343
Nice, always hated the bug eye design
>>16689497
>spoon and egg races
The benchmark is Nurburgring, not some meme track

>>16690320
>eboladrome
>meme track

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>>16691147

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>>16691147
Irrelevant track with "ebola" in its name, I'd say meme track confirmed

>>16690320
So a track where manufacturers bring their tuned pre production cars matters more than tracks where actual people (journalists) are driving the production cars?
In that case BMW still has alfa beat with the 2 door M3 - the M4 GTS

>>16648647
Volvo is built by China I've heard.

>>16692900
>muh m4 gts
not a sedan, fuck off

>>16692900
>German journalists driving non German cars

What possibly could go wrong?

>>16692900
but the M4 GTS is a pile of mexican garbage

>>16692900
>the 2 door M3 - the M4 GTS
You know what's funny? The M4 GTS has water injection and the M3 GTS doesn't. Water injection is even banned from certain categories of motorsports such as Formula One. You know what else is funny? Only 700 M4 GTS cars will be made, and only 300 for the US. You know what else is funny? It's MSRP is 134k, there was a dealer that even put a 200k markup on it to take advantage of the exclusivity. Only a BMW fangirl could try to imply that the M4 GTS is in any way comparable with the M3.

>>16661940
Neither have you

>>16693962
Actually I have, my buddy bought a 2.0 two months ago.

>>16693913
>alfista """"""damage control""""""

>>16693913
>excuses
The M4 is literally the M3 coupe, they just changed the branding name for marketing.
Who cares about water injection, it only has 500 hp, the Alfa still has 10 more.
And the Giulia is more expensive than the M3 so why are you mentioning prices?

>>16694164
How is that "damage control"?
>>16694227
The M4 is the M3 coupe, but the M4 GTS isn't comparable to any M3. BMW obviously cares about the water injection system, there's a reason their fastest car has it. If it didn't matter they wouldn't use it.
It costs double than the Giulia Quadrifoglio, has no back seat, is really exclusive with only 700 made, really not comparable. It's a street legal race car, the Giulia is a street car that gives many race cars a run for their money.
>And the Giulia is more expensive than the M3 so why are you mentioning prices?
Only barely more expensive than the M3 with competition package, and much faster. The amount of money you need to get a M4 GTS can get you a supercar.

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>>16694227
Seriously at that price point, what's BMW's excuse to make such a piss-poor offer? FCA BTFOs them again with an equally impractical car that's cheaper than theirs, more fun, faster, cooler looking and with an awesome V10 which sounds godlike.

>>16694354
Both the M4 GTS and Giulia were similarly set up to do the Nurburgring lap though.

>>16694390
>BTFOs
>with a discontinued car
LOL okay

>>16694391
come on, give me a break
the Giulia didn't even have a roll cage and it wasn't an official record attempt, it happened basically by accident
guy was wearing jeans and a polo ffs

>>16694398
Still available to buy, BTW the GTS is a limited edition so it will be "discontinued" after the 700 are finished.

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>>16694398
>damage control

>>16694405
Still Bmw fangirls wet their pants because MUH M4 SUPREMACY, THE GTS LIMITED EDITION RACE CAR BEAT THE GIULIA.

Alfa romeo shit bla bla bla anal tampoons, bla bla bla

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>>16694390
Alfa Romeo still wins, because they also have their version of the Viper.

Buttmad bwm fags

>>16694405
shouldnt take long since they're welding it together with a buzzbox and 6011 rod

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>>16694432
The M4? kek
>muh hand built bimmer
>>16694425
ikr
>>16694429
that one isn't available new though, is it?

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>muh nurburgring times
fastest production Alfa vs fastest production BMW
italicucks on suicide watch again

>>16694737

Too bad the M4 GTS costs nearly twice as much as Giulia QV. I hope those extra 4 seconds on the Ring are worth the extra $50k faggot.

Fucking kek

>>16694737
>700 units
>""""production""""

Also
>equipped for the track, rollcage and no back seat
>water injection system
>coupe
>double the price
>barely beats the giulia

>>16694737
see >>16694639 and >>16694354
You're comparing apples to oranges, the comparable FCA product (similar price and characteristics such as being a 2 seater track oriented car) is the ACR Viper. Do you work for BMW or something? I can't believe someone could be this cucked by a badge.

>>16694639
>that one isn't available new though, is it?

Nope, limited series of just 9 cars

>>16694737
>Grand Tour Eboladrome
>Giulia (very wet) vs M4 GTS (dry)
>Obviously not a single indication about this "irrelevant" thing

What are we talking about, times that can't be verified?

>>16694737
>italicucks on suicide watch again

The ones that should be on suicide watch are the Bmw fans.

>Italian car maker
>Not a single RWD saloon in 30 years
>Their first attempt is the Giulia Q
>7:32 at Nurburgring

Also the Giulia has to face years and years of further development and refinement...so guess what, I foresee more crybabies in the future here.

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>>16694929
this

>>16694639
>bland looking coupe
this, the GTS is a glorified 4 series
I'd rather get a V8 vantage for that money and buy a nice go-fast boat with the spare 30k

I bet you cunts only praise the Alfa because of its special snowflake status and because BMW is too "mainstream". Don't make me laugh, you so-called Alfa fanboys will probably choose a BMW too given a choice.

>>16695049
>special snowflake status
>a normal Giulia is way better than the 3 series with dull steering, uncomfortable suspension and plastic fantastic interior

I'd go for the Giulia because I want a driver's car, and as of today the Giulia is the best in class while you're only a buttmad faggot who chose the wrong car and now has an empty bank account.

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>>16695009
>M4 GTS
>bland
there's nothing blander than a slow car
and there's nothing less original than getting a car like a lambo, ferrari or aston as soon as you get enough money

>I'd rather get a V8 vantage
spotted the BMW hater
stay btfo

>>16695049
>projecting this hard
kek, the special snowflake here is the GTS, it's just like any 4 series but has some mods and is hand built in limited numbers
just like a snowflake is only different from the others once you look close enough

>>16695075
>muh originality
only special snowflakes care about that bullshit and what others will say, ultimately you're letting others dictate what to do with your money by thinking that way. I'd get the Vantage because it's stylish, pleases me aesthetically a lot more than the M4 (even if the M4 isn't ugly), comfortable, luxurious, has a V8, is manual, the key is cool af. The only downside is that the interior isn't the prettiest (nice materials but the design isn't my favorite, I'd rather take the Giulia's desu). It's a sculpture on wheels, whereas the M4 is a generic German coupe.

>muh 1 second at the figure 8
lmao who cares

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>>16695049
If the Alfa had a BMW badge and a kidney grille you'd be all over it like a hot pocket, badge whore. You'd be talking about how awesome BMW is and how they raised the bar again. Fuck off.

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>>16695304
>mfw I googled badge whore for the lulz and the first car related result was from bimmerfest
>mfw this was posted in the thread
Really made me think kek. Audi fags are worse badge whores though in my opinion.

Not too long ago when you bought a BMW you were buying a RWD car. The shittiest BMW was already cool. Times have changed though, how sad. Also until the 2000s every BMW had awesome materials, but then they started using cheap plastics and other bullshit.

>>16695075

>comparing a GT to a stripped down track car

>>16695330
it's not like the bimmer isn't pigfat though, 1500 kilos kek

>>16695355
oh, btw BMW made a big fuss about reducing 45kg by using carbon fiber, so their "awesome weight reduction" goes to the gutter if you're a fat guy
the Vantage may be less fast but at least it's not a car for tryhards

>>16695074
>as of today Giulia is best in class
said no one ever
the C class and 3 series are still ages ahead in terms of interiors and build quality

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>>16695566
good one
>that fucking screen popping up like a sore thumb
my sides lmfao

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>>16695566
>those glossy plastics everywhere
top fucking kek

>>16695658
wtf is wrong with Mercedes-Benz nowadays? They pulled the same shit on the G wagen, the screen looks like it was tacked on the dashboard. The 2012 C class was much better. That said, it's still not on the Giulia's level. Pic related is a diesel Giulia. A fucking diesel.

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>>16695788
forgot pìc

>>16695788
since when cars have different interior based on their engine

>>16695823
Since trim levels and engines became related to each other.

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Frankly it's quite nice to see Alfa umiliating the germs once again

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>>16695566
I was referring to best in class handling and driving pleasure you mongrel.

You had to change argument bragging about "muh superior quality" when the Giulia itself has the same fucking plastics Bmw uses (little secret: Faurecia supplies Bmw, Audi and Mercedes + Alfa Romeo now).

Does Bmw and Mercedes use world class leader Poltrona Frau™ leather? Nope.

Does Bmw use a Magneti Marelli infotainment, the same as Alfa Romeo for the Giulia/Stelvio? Yes it does but they wanted to put an autistic tablet instead of actually working on the integration like the decò screen of the Giulia/Stelvio which is very classy and innovative.

Has your average 3 Series got carbon fiber parts as standar even in base models? Nope, yet Giulia uses a carbon fibre shaft.

Is the normal 3 Series based on the M3? Nope, the M3 is just a pimped and tuned 3 Series while the normal Giulia is the same as a Quadrifoglio, just with reduced power and "scaled down".

Has your 3 Series got the best steering in its class? Nope, it comes with 2/3 steering systems (obviously you have to pay because they're optional) starting from the artificial and imprecise one and finishing with the heavy as fuck one and still artificial. The Giulia has got ONE steering system and it's amazing, because Alfa Romeo knows how to make cars and won't ask you more money for a feature that should be standard in a driver's car.

Now, do you want me to cum in your ass or you're ok like this?

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>>16696129
>btfoing elliots this hard

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>>16696129
What were they thinking? Why is the knob partially under this thing? My first reaction would be to try to pull it up, besides it likely traps grime under it. The floating tablet is retarded too, even Peugeot did it in a less autistic way, at least their screen protrudes the dashboard in a more gracious way.

>>16696129
Cum in his ass, cum in his ass

ITT: Fags who dont understand that you have to run two cars on the same track, the same day, preferably with the same driver to really make a comparison of lap times.

Enjoy your fastestlaps.com database queries you retarded autistic faggots.

>>16696665
bmw can't compete tho
the best D segment sedan in the market is the Giulia, hands down

>>16696665
>damage control and excuses from the alfista
as expected

>>16696129
>italishills at it again
Jesus, giulia fanboys are so stupid, even if they use the same materials, you don't realize it's about the fit and finish that makes the interior quality, which is where Alfa is lagging far behind BMW and Benz. Just because it looks nice does not mean it is WELL BUILT
Also don't give me the "same infotainment" bullshit, you know that Alfas infotainment is very poorly made, i.e hard to use in comparison with BMWs class-leading iDrive.
Also
>"""alfa best in class handling"""
>1700+ kg curb weight
Nice try alfista

>>16696665
That's true, that is why the Alfa is slower
>>16672427

>>16698589
>"""alfa best in class handling"""
even your beloved journalists say its handling is the best
stay mad bimmercuck

>>16698589
>i.e hard to use in comparison with BMWs class-leading iDrive
go away shill faggot

>>16698726
lol no, they actually state the Cadillac is the best handling
>>16698752
>t. I have no idea what i'm talking about

To sum it up:
The Giulia is slower than the M3/C63
The Giulia is less luxurious than the M3/C63
The Giulia is less reliable than M3/C63
The Giulia is more expensive than the M3/costs the same as the C63
The Giulia uses the inferior V6 configuration
The Giulia comes standard on semi slicks that only last 5-10k miles
The Giulia has the worst looks from the bunch
Thread verdict: Alfa a shit
>>16672427
>>16671940
>>16663372

Bump for some ass ramming

>Cadillac has the best handling

MY SIDES

>>16699217
To sum it up:

You're gay and insecure because you have to justify and validate your purchase by shitting on the other cars while from the other side nobody cares and ignores you.

Thread verdict: you're still gay.

>>16699482
Why do insecure alfa fanboys feel like making "alfa is best car" threads almost every day? Hmm

>>16699554
This thread is 9 days old, fagit.

>>16698941
iDrive is shit. Just like they gave in and started making FWD crap, they also started using touchscreens now. And the integration to the dashboard leaves A LOT to be desired.

>>16699217
lmfao are you comparing it to the 2040 M3 you saw when you got in your time machine?

>>16700756
This, it's butthurt BMW fangirls who can't deal with it so they have been bumping the thread ever since to "demonstrate" the BMW isn't the inferior car it is.

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>B-but Giulia, I'm tired of winning
>I DON'T GIVE A DAMN, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WINNING 100%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OcldMG932o