tfw you find a way to defeat the seatbelt jew

fuck seat belts. seat belt do more harm than good.

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Drive a car from before 66 and you literally never have to

my seat belts don't even work, but instead of a ticket to fix them, I get a ticket to put it on.

>>16598079
>make a product
>write "DO NOT USE" on it

kek
reminds me of the q-tips that say
>DONT PUT IN EARS
on the package, or gun manuals that say
>DONT POINT INTO DIRECTIONS OF HUMANS OR ANIMALS
well d-fucking-uh, why the hell do you think i buy a gun.

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I can understand wanting to defeat the airbag jew because they cause about as much injury as they prevent (>tfw removing any factory airbags including substituting the airbag steering wheel for a barebone steering wheel is illegal here) but you gotta be a certified retard to want to drive without seatbelts, those are empirically proven to save you.

>tfw you find a way to defeat gravity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVSQh5MbTo

>>16598108
there are situations in which you dont want a seatbelt. of course i wear one usually, but there are situations.

for instance driving a truck on tiny roads in mountainous areas, or using your car in a way that requres you not you have a seatbeld on. a buddy of mine is working in forestry and he always has the belt behind his back, because when he uses the pickup to drive deerfood dont a hundred meters in the forest, unload it, and drive up again, the sound is just an annoyance.

i personally drive a vehicle from the 90's so i dont care. but everytime a friend drives me home, and a few meters before the car comes to a stop i unbuckle myself and that FUCKING NOISE start, i get angry. that fucking car is not my mother. i know when and why im unbuckling myself.

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>>16598119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnggDGijR4

Are you guys all manlets or something? Does it hurt your little neck? :''(

I wasn't brought up by savages so by the time I was a teen it was an instinct for me to put my seatbelt on everytime I got into a car.

>>16598084
looolllll @ u

ok gramps

>>16598119
>>16598132
I laughed.

Use your fucking seatbelts, retards.

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>>16598084

>>16598125
I hate that fucking chime. Friends corolla and anothers civic has it.
Based nissan doesnt chime for shit, just a light on the dash

>>16598079
who the fuck ordered this thread with extra fucking retard

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>>16598084

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>>16598084
>Found the boomer...

Seriously, wear your damn seat belts. Or don't. Why should I care?

>>16598119
of course it's some fat hick. This is how stupid you look when you don't wear your seatbelts

>>16598132
>Saudi Arabians
>common sense
IF WE DIE IN A DRIFTING ACCIDENT WTIHOUT SEATBELTS THEN ALLAH WILLS IT, NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT

>>16598176
He shouldn't, so we get rid of another idiot who thinks seatbelts are a violation of his 1st amendment rights or some shit like that.

>tfw all the cool kids with mud rigs at my school called them "bitch belts"
>hottest girl in class driving drunk, rolls truck
>no seat belt
>looks like a fucking gremlin now

>>16598185

fucking boot licker

>>16598132

I love that vid...I laugh so hard I damn near shit myself everytime...

>>16598132
those flyers ragdoll exactly the same way as in video games. fucking kek.

>>16598202
>Tfw native friend rolls his H2
>Had he had his seatbelt on he would have died

It goes both ways, which is why it should be a choice. If we want to kill ourselves not/wearing them then fuck it.

>>16598217

Bullllllllllllll-shit!

>I bet you vape, too.

>>16598230
What part is bullshit

>>16598168
I loved that about my 2013 altima shitbox and i even wear my seat belt. But it's so fucking nice not to hear that dumbass chime.

>>16598217
how is that possible in a roll over? it literally will hold you from slamming all over the place, unless youre morbidly obese it isn't going to damage your body in a roll over.

>>16598153
>>16598166
>>16598175
>>16598176
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1564465,00.html

You have to be a moron to not wear a seat belt in a vehicle that has one. And every car I've owned has had a way to disable the seatbelt reminder chime, but I don't because I'm not a moron and understand the serious safety benefit of not being a fucking missile during a car accident.

>>16598245
How does that help if some crackhead clips you on the freeway?

>first two years they introduce click it or ticket
>I get 7 click it tickets
>next 5 years of click it or ticket
>I haven't got a single ticket


I didn't put my seat belt on before, I'm not putting it on now.

>>16598245
So seatbelts didn't change death rates because people thought they could drive more dangerously if they had them.

The difference to now is that you'd stop wearing your seatbelt and sitll drive more dangerously, or at least everyone around you would still drive more dangerously.

>>16598245
tl;dr
seatbelts dangerous because human nature is to feel safe therefore drive in a more dangerous manner

>>16598253
CLICK IT OR TICKET, LET'S SEE YOUR SEATBELTS FASTENED
TRUNK RATTLIN' LIKE TWO MIDGETS IN THE BACKSEAT WRESTLIN'
SPEAKERBOXXX VIBRATE THE TAGS
MAKE A SOUND LIKE ALUMINUM CANS IN A BAG

>why didn't you simply click it

>>16598245
>The point, stresses Adams, is that drivers who feel safe may actually increase the risk that they pose to other drivers, bicyclists, pedestrians and their own passengers (while an average of 80% of drivers buckle up, only 68% of their rear-seat passengers do). And risk compensation is hardly confined to the act of driving a car. Think of a trapeze artist, suggests Adams, or a rock climber, motorcyclist or college kid on a hot date. Add some safety equipment to the equation — a net, rope, helmet or a condom respectively — and the person may try maneuvers that he or she would otherwise consider foolish. In the case of seat belts, instead of a simple, straightforward reduction in deaths, the end result is actually a more complicated redistribution of risk and fatalities.
Oh come the fuck on. This argument is fucking stupid. The argument is that you get complacent that you wear a seat belt and drive riskier. All else equal, the seat belt will allow you to survive accidents that were not survivable without a seatbelt and survive with less injury in accidents survivable without a seatbelt.

>>16598245
>>16598265
>this guy has scientific cred
>I don't
Shows you how retarded stemfags really are.

I dont wear one because im not some shit fucking driver and if someone hit me ill fucking sue

>>16598245
>article says that seatbelts increase safety but this is offset by retards getting more reckless when they feel safe

Surely this means that I will be safer on the road without a seatbel-OH WAIT

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>No airbags, ABS, traction control, electronic stability control

>the most powerful naturally aspirated straight-6 engine ever to be fitted to a production car

>As with all modern TVRs the Sagaris ignores the European Union guideline that all new cars should be fitted with ABS and at least front airbags because Peter Wheeler believed that such devices promote overconfidence and risk the life of a driver in the event of a rollover, which TVRs are engineered to resist.[2]

just dont crash :DD

>>16598079
my crown vic has a feature that dosent chime if you buckle and unbuckle it within 30 seconds it basically tells the car that youre kmowingly not wearing it and it dosent chime

>>16598263
To be honest, there is a reason.

I worked at quick in and out lube stop. And I'd individually be going in and out of 20 different cars a day, and doing that for years broke my habit of grabbing the seat belt, and buckling up.

And, then it's just been a constant thing since then. Now I just outright refuse to do it because they made it illegal.

I used to buckle up all the time.

>>16598280
Dead people aren't legal parties.

>>16598265

That also makes the assumption that the driver driving 'safely' without a seatbelt is the one causing the crash. What if he gets slammed in the side by someone running a red light or something. He could be doing 15mph forwards and suddenly 40mph sideways thrown round inside the car like that video of the bloke throwing the concrete slab in the washing machine. His argument isn't full retard because there is some merit in what he's saying about people wrapped up in safety gear probably will take more risks, but other people can always be a factor.

>>16598280
Have fun suing when your body flies half way across the interstate and is mulched by an 18 wheeler

>>16598230
>doesnt realize if you dont wear a seatbelt you can get thrown out of the truck/car
Just so happens he gets chucked out and the roof caves in on the drivers seat
Happened to one of my friends to

>>16598271
He's a fucking geography prof, and educated people can be some of the stupidest people you know. He's overanalyzing a simple issue in an "intellectual fashion".

Let's take the opposite example, and maybe make it less severe. Let's say every time someone sneezed and a person didn't say "bless you", they got punched in the dick. You would probably see a reduction in the number of times someone sneezed and no one said "bless you" to them.

His example is to point out that risk is not in a vacuum, and that while seat belts likely reduce injury and deaths in accidents on the whole, they do not linearly reduce risk in every single accident ever because, *theoretically*, some drivers may engage in riskier manuvers when they have a feeling of "safety" from wearing a seat belt. Just as some people may feel more comfortable in a higher car (e.g. SUV) or one with all wheel drive).

The article you link to has nothing really to do with the safety that a seat belt adds. It's an attempt to be a smug pseudointellectual about how life and changes don't exist in a vacuum. He's technically correct in that if a person drives like a fucking moron only because they wear a seat belt then they may drive in a way that results in a serious injury/fatal accident. But it's really out on a fucking limb, and assumes that a driver's common sense goes out the window the moment they "click" in a seat belt.

If you believe you personally would go mind numbingly retarded and do risky shit because you clicked in a seat belt and that is why wearing a seat belt is more dangerous - then I pity how your brain works.

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>>16598292
>Now I just outright refuse to do it because they made it illegal.

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>>16598245
Okay, so seatbelts and airbags allow me to drive more recklessly and still have the same risk of injury. Sounds like a clear win for seatbelts to me!

>>16598079
i love how they are carbon fiber for MAXIMUM WEIGHT REDUCTION

>>16598308
Bikers don't have to wear a helmet, but I have to wear a seat belt? Fuck off, this is just revenue generating bullshit.

>>16598294
Funny (or demented) enough, there's a number of dashcam videos in China where after a car hits someone, they back up and run over the person repeatedly. Same thing in China.

If the person has family they may sue and you have to settle for the death for $30-$50K, but if that person lives with injury it can cost many times more.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/09/why_drivers_in_china_intentionally_kill_the_pedestrians_they_hit_china_s.html

i find it uncomfortable to drive without a seatbelt on, it feels unnatural. i only take it off if im parking my car somewhere tight

my fiesta st never tells me to wear them anyway

>>16598283
that car looks like one of those hurdurr ima curr pics /o/ loves to make with photoshop's liquify tool

>>16598313
>Bikers don't have to wear a helmet
Maybe in your shithole state they don't, but here they do.

>>16598313
Maybe in whatever shit hole state you live in they don't have to wear helmets

>>16598317
I know that feel, it's like you've forgotten something at home.

>>16598323
>>16598325
Shithole mind

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>>16598292
>working at a goofy lube for years

>>16598323
>>16598323
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/laws/helmetuse/mapmotorcyclehelmets
tl;dr Iowa, Illinois, and New Hampshire don't require motorcycle drivers to wear helmets. Many states especially in the midwest have laws only requiring drivers younger than a certain age to wear a helmet (mostly 17 or younger, a few are 20 or younger). 19 states require all motorcyclists to wear a helmet.

>>16598313
>Bikers don't have to wear a helmet
Where the fuck do you live, India?
And why the fuck do you care, you should simply care about what's best for you, using a seatbelt clearly is.

>>16598316
Chinese, the scum of the world.

>>16598317
>>16598335
>get in the car, put seatbelt on
>wait for dad to finish his cig and get in the car
>start the engine
>oh, I need to put the seatbelt on
>claw at the seatbelt hook for ten seconds not understanding what went wrong

>>16598343
>half the states have no inspections
>half the states have no emissions tests
>half the states require no helmets on adults
>a good number of states require no seatbelts on rear passengers
Thanks for proving that the US are a third world country.

>>16598343
>murrica
>not shithole

>>16598313
what kind of fucking mouth breather would ride a motorcycle without a helmet?
ALL THE GEAR ALL THE FUCKING TIME

>>16598245
By that logic we should all be driving in vehicles with absolutely no safety measures to keep us on our toes. What a stupid fucking argument.

>>16598132
>1:26
are those brains?

>>16598355
19 states have no emissions inspections for non-commercial vehicles, most others have it in the major metropolitan areas. Fewer states require annual or biennial safety inspections. I agree that it should be generally required for both in all states.

The helmet thing is a freedom thing, I guess they figure you're already roadkill at the point you get in an accident on a bike most likely, but for less severe accidents a helmet seriously reduces the risk of head injury.

>>16598343
>no emissions laws
>no motorcycle helmet laws
>no inspections at all
>I still have to buckle up or else I'm illegal

>>16598316
>In April a BMW racing through a fruit market in Foshan in China’s Guangdong province knocked down a 2-year-old girl and rolled over her head. As the girl’s grandmother shouted, “Stop! You’ve hit a child!” the BMW’s driver paused, then switched into reverse and backed up over the girl. The woman at the wheel drove forward once more, crushing the girl for a third time. When she finally got out from the BMW, the unlicensed driver immediately offered the horrified family a deal: “Don’t say that I was driving the car,” she said. “Say it was my husband. We can give you money.”

This is one of the disgusting things I've read in my life, more shocking than child porn, I want to literally kill a chinese now.

I ride a fucking motorcycle and even I think you guys advocating not wearing seatbelts are retarded

>>16598379
>The helmet thing is a freedom thing
>freedom
What the fuck has a helmet got to do with freedom?

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>>16598132
>1:46
>mfw

>>16598089
It's your job to maintain your shit... why you driving around with busted shit that is legally required?

Idiot.

>>16598387
Freedom of choice, I guess. New Hampshire is a state with the motto "Live free or die". They considered a helmet law at one point and the bikers protested it (ironically, one of them died on the way to the protest when he was hit and had a fatal head injury) and it was put aside.

Some people consider it, along with seat belts, to be another symptom of the creeping "nanny state" making decisions on behalf of the people. I don't think seatbelts are overreach, a small portion of the country does.

>>16598300
Again im not a shit driver and will never find myself in this situation

>>16598132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUL5w91dzbo
Gosh~

>>16598393
because I wouldn't wear it anyway.

>>16598399
>if some driver hits me
>that'll never happen to me because I'm not a shit driver

Go ahead and don't buckle up, when you head smashes against the ground it's not like there will be any brains to clean up afterwards

>>16598407
Funny how the gene pool works to clean itself up. Life finds a way.

>>16598396
Americans have a preverted idea of what freedom is.
If you're too stupid to understand that wearing a helmet will save your life there's nothing wrong in forcing you to wear a helmet.
Imagine if that person were to have a child as a passenger and wouldn't make him/hear wear a helmet. Or a seatbelt if they were in a car. The fact that he's allowed to do that because the state thinks making the use of a helmet and seatbelts compulsive is somehow against "freedom" makes me mad.

Fight for the real important things like education and healthcare, you fucking retarded americans, not for FREEDOM.

>>16598422
Or at least for actual freedom of self expression and not only for freedom to act like a gigantic retard.

I own an old wrangler YJ that the previous owner removed the seatbelts from. Ive driven past cops and theyve made eye contact with me and saw that I wasnt buckled up and didnt bother ticketing me. I think they might just not wanna waste time on such a small thing.

>>16598422
Every state enforces seat belt usage for legal minors in the US, and 49 of them require seat belts for all minors in any seat and either require front seat drivers or all drivers older than that to wear seatbelts. Not the same as the helmet laws.

>>16598440
In one state (New Hampshire) adults are not required to wear seatbelts, in 18 others you can be ticketed for not wearing a seat belt as an adult/front seat passenger, but they cannot pull you over solely for not wearing a seat belt (most states do allow cops to pull you over + ticket you for failure to wear, which is called primary enforcement).

Even in states where primary enforcement exists it's up to a cop to notice and care enough to pull you over.

>>16598451
You get what I was saying.
>muh freedom of not wearing a simple tool that can prevent injury and death
The state should tell mouthbreathers to fuck off.

>>16598283
fuck the EU anyways
i hope all of those safety-crazy EU-nannies fucking die, and im actually serious

>>16598462
But you can still build new cars without ABS and airbags in the EU, it's just a guideline. Try releasing a car without 18 airbags, 5 electronic assistants and a backup camera in the USA.

>>16598313
If a vehicle has a roof, you need a seatbelt. If it's open, you don't because if it rolled over you'd be fucked. It was this was 15 years ago when I took tractor safety classes. Old open cab tractors had no protection in case of a rollover so no seatbelt, so you can try to jump clear.

In a closed cab tractor, safest to be strapped in so the rollcage can do its job.

Same logic applies to things like motorcycles. The helmet argument is just you spouting edgelord bullshit.

The fact that this isn't obvious to you shows how dumb you are.

>>16598125
>there are instances in which you dont want a seatbelt (...) or using your car in a way that requires you not to have a seatbelt on
????
thats not an example if you dont explain it and just reiterate the first point.
What are you doing, trying to resuscitate your dying mother in the back seat while you are driving?

>>16598477
I drive a total of 10 minutes a day, if that. And the highest speed limit on the road is 40 MPH. And that drive time includes sitting in a drivethru each morning before work.

I'm not any bit safer wearing a seat belt.

If I were getting on the highway and going across town, sure I'd put one on.

>>16598313
>Bikers don't have to wear a helmet
Bro do u live in the Sahara or something?

>>16598399
You realize maybe you will be in a situation out of your control and no matter how much of a PRO TOUGE DRIFTER SIK SKIDDER you are, youre gonna get hit, right? Keep thinking bad things wont happen to you because youre the protagonist

>>16598493
We already established that you're an idiot, so I don't know why you're doubling down. 40mph is enough to launch you, and if the drink that hits you is going 75 even better.

>>16598512
>going twice the speed limit in the 9-5 commute hour traffic
I think I'll be just fine, famalam.

>>16598303
post shorter ones lol

>>16598079
these seem like a bad idea

>>16598516
Then don't bitch about paying the ticket.

>>16598497
Quit being a fag only retards can't counter steer

>>16598493
>drives for 10 minutes
>uses car and not bicycle
Pfffhahahaha. You're fat, aren't you?

>>16598486
no, im telling you there are situations where you dont want to wear a seatbelt for reasons other than
>fuck the law lol
and that noise-shit going off in your car because youre not wearing a seatbelt is extremely retarded, annoying and disgusting.

for instance, talk to truck drivers driving on dangerous roads, forestry in mountainous areas. talk to cab drivers. countless people have been stabbed into their necks while some asshole from behind was fixing you onto the seat by grabbing your seatbelt. thats why in many countries, cabies arent required to wear seatbelts when clients are in.

driving a truck on dangerous roads? if your trailer pulls you down, you want to jump out, not get pulled down with our truck. try surviving falling down a fucking cliff, bet your seatbelt saves you then.

>trying to resuscitate your dying mother in the back seat while you are driving?
how old are you dude? either you want to shitpost, or you want to actually discuss a topic.

>>16598242
He was north of 350 at the time. The whole thing was that the seat belt would have trapped him in the vehicle due to his size.

Since then he has started working out and lost quite a bit of weight, and turned a lot of it into muscle, but he still refused to wear a seat belt.
*I'm not saying this is a typical case, and it's 100% completely anecdotal evidence

these seatbelt clipsare for when you have a harness for track but a seatbelt for road.

in autocross i use a harness cause it holds me in but i dont trust it on highways

>>16598532
All I'm saying is that there are times when a seatbelt is more appropriate than others, and it should not be a taxable crime to not be wearing a seat belt.

>>16598562
And all we are saying is you're both wrong and dumb.

>>16598545
So you're saying you don't wear your seatbelt on a daily basis to prevent driving off cliffs and getting stabbed in the neck?

I don't even....

why do I get the impression it's only americans who don't want to wear seatbelts

>>16598571
Well keep being a homo square then, I'm cruising up to the store to grab another beer, and a seat belt would kill the vibe on that comfy cruise.

>>16598586
Because being pulled over and ticketed is just the vibe you're after....

Do you even think?

>>16598586
Because being pulled over and ticketed is the vibe you're looking for?

>>16598599
I'm the guy that got 7 tickets the first two years of the program, and none in the last 5.

The coppers around here stopped enforcing it, but it's just obnoxious that it's still a law.

>>16598545
>guys, don't wear a seatbelt unless you want to fall off a cliff or get stabbed!
Way to make other people take you seriously.

>>16598090
DO NOT DRIVE THIS VEHICLE
DO NOT DRIVE THIS VEHICLE
DO NOT DRIVE THIS VEHICLE
DO NOT DRIVE THIS VEHICLE

is it possible to kill the chimer-tooter? will it make the car throw codes or just not work

>>16598581
i am not saying that.
do you have some sort of mental retardation that puts words in texts that arent there? i always wear a seatbelt. read my post again, especially the first sentence.

>>16598606
see above. this isnt stuff i make up.

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>>16598132
>first vid
>DRIVING CABRI WITHOUT SEAT BELT HAHAHAHAHAHA
He didn't fly so good

>>16598627
I would imagine that it depends on the car
my dad drives a supershitbox and the wire that detects if your seatbelt is plugged in is clearly visible
I would guess that you could just cut the wires then separate them or attach them together

>>16598132
LMFAO@the last fatty

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>>16598674
Since we're at the topic.

>>16598313
normal bikers always wear a helmet even if it's not illegal to ride without one

>>16598681
LMFAO he literally jumped out of his socks

and the other dude is just there hammering his loose ass bumper into the ground, lmfao

>>16598379
emissions and safety inspections are for cucks.

why the fuck would i want to make sure the shitbox truck i use rarely, can pass emissions or safety. as long as the wheels arent going to fall the fuck off who gives a shit.

protip it would fail because of completely blown suspension

>>16598493
>I drive a total of 10 minutes a day

Buy a bike them faggot

>>16598704
It's winter, dip shit.

>>16598701
The only people who claim emissions and safety checks to be stupid are either those so poor that their clapped out shitbuckets would fail them or those so ignorant that they think they have the right to run straight pipes in built up areas.

>>16598707
>can't ride a bicycle for 10 minutes in winter
Are you for real?

>>16598674
The great Ford explorer, the vehicle where you were far more likely to die as a passenger then you would if you were the driver.

>>16598707
uh oh buy ice tyres for 20$ and go on

>>16598712
pretty sure my daily driver can pass emissions and safety.

pretty sure that its not fair to assume my clapped out shitbox truck can pass emissions since it has over 300k miles on it. It would fail safety for some trivial ass cuck reason like blown shocks or something. Doesnt even shake or anything at over 90mph

>335i
>seatbelt chime begins after 1000ft of travel without it on.
>stays on for 2 solid head pounding minutes before it realizes your opting out of seatbelt usage for this drive

>>16598722
>blown suspension
>trivial
Either it's safe for driving or not. Nobody gives a shit whether you drive it every day or once a year.

>>16598714
>>16598714
10 minute drive is not a 10 minute bike ride.

>>16598727
10 minute ride is 10 miles at best, which is like 30-40 minutes of pedaling at most

>>16598727
In my city it's even less.
You said it's 10 minutes counting the time you stay in the drivethrough.
How fat are you exactly that you can't even ride as fast as a car in the city?

>>16598738
>>16598721
>>16598714
>people who don't live in the north actually believe this shit

>>16598745
the only option when car will be significantly faster then a bike is if there is a highway straight from his house to the workplace (implying he has a job), if not then bike will be about the same time

>>16598745
>riding a bicycle at 30 mph
Okay, Lance Armstrong. Unless you're on a racing bike you'll struggle to maintain 15 mph.

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>>16598756
it's -20c right now right here shut the fuck up cunt and stop making up excuses

>>16598756
>live in the alps
>get told I don't know what it's like in the "north" by some lazy fatass
Lmao.

>>16598769
>>16598738
>>16598745
>>16598727
>>16598727
>being too poor to pay click-it tickets, they actually bought a bicycle instead
lmfao

>>16598777
>my excuse about winter didn't work, better call them poor, that will teach them!

>>16598725
>blown suspension
>a problem

maybe a problem for my back but it isnt going to make it crash

>>16598775
first of all this isn't /fit/, but I trip fag on there regularly. Also the alps have a significantly lower annual snowfall then where I live, so nah sorry bud you don't know what it's like.

>>16598765
You can easily ride a bike that's not shit at 30kmh. Knowing the lights timing and ignoring them if no one is coming will make you save time.
I can get on the other side of my 100k people city in less than 10 minutes.
>>16598763
Exactly.
>>16598777
How exactly fat are you that you can't even respond and don't even consider using a bicyle for 10 minutes an option?

>>16598783
>i really enjoy not having a heater, or a wind block, or seatbelts instead of paying a ~$10 fine to have 2/3 with the third optional.

>>16598769
>-20c
>cold
why are you euro's so pussified about winter?

>>16598795
>complain about cyclists constantly ignoring traffic signs and lights
>advocate people to ignore traffic signs and lights on a bicycle

>>16598795
>>16598795
I'm not fat, and I don't have a bicycle, I have a car, and a bullshit law that tells me I need to buckle up. But, they don't even enforce it anymore.

It's not that I'm going to ride a bicycle to avoid a ticket Id on't even get anymore. I don't understand the relevance to this bicycle suggestion.

I have a car, and I suggest it shouldn't be illegal to not buckle up. a bicycle is in no way associated with what I'm trying to achieve.

>>16598804
Nice reading comprehension there.

>>16598795
I mountain bike regularly in the summer, you really need to live in a rural mountainous area that gets 150+inches of snowfall annually to understand why I am saying I would not do this.

>>16598797
Why did you bring seatbelts into this argument? It's not about them
>>16598794
150 cms of snow has fallen since the start of winter here. Please continue

I was in the back middle seat of a jetta with the lap belt buckled when we flipped six times and I was ejected over the powerlines. The doctors concluded that the belt was responsible for six fractured vertebrea and the rest of my injuries were from smashing into the ground. The other four occupants were buckled up and unharmed, except minor bruises and one broken ankle.

Wear your seatbelt.

>>16598086
You don't have to go that far back. The 90s is far enough back

>>16598822
150cm is nothing, do you even know whats going on in America snowwise right now? Or the infrastructure that the majority of the US has outside of our cities?

>>16598806
When did I complain?
>>16598817
>>16598794
>inches
What's that?
Explain to me how snow is a problem. Don't they clean the road in the night where you live? And then again, if you can drive a car in the snow, you can also ride a bike, so what's your point?
>>16598807
>I don't have a bicycle
Is that even a thing? There wasn't a single moment in my life I hadn't had a bike since I learnt how to ride and I never practiced the sport.

>muh freedumb to not use the seatbelt!
You're retarded.w

>>16598865
>don't they clean the road
jesus fuck like I just said you clearly don't understand rural living

>>16598865
What the fuck would I even do with a bicycle? You know this is an automotive board, right?

Unless that bicycle is fitted with a two stroke and spins the rear, nobody gives ashit.

>>16598355
>A lack of revenue generating nanny laws means the country is third world
I hope trump bans euros too.

>>16598838
This reminds me, back in higschool my classmate got into a rollover as a passenger and he wasn't wearing a belt. He got propelled through the rear passenger window into the forest in a magnificent arc and knocked out cold, the car nearly steamrolled his ass but fortunately veered off course, missing him by a couple feet. He took a few days off to recover and started religiously using seatbelts afterwards.

>>16598858
>150 cms in 2 months is nothing
>300 cms in a year is a lot

>>16598898
You're clearly just baiting at this point, I never once said that where I live only gets 120inches (if you actually are too dumb to convert that then go fucking google it).

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>>16598879
>thinking we need to generate revenue with our checks
That's what taxes are far. Thorough checks are so that we can have this.

>>16598871
>10 minutes drive
>rural living
Please.
Since we know we get snow we have all the required machines so that we can clean the roads during the nightime in time for the morning. Roads simply don't get blocked here.
Seems to me like you should get angry at your local government for doing nothing.
But of course your freedumb to not have to wear seatbelts is more important.
>>16598874
>What the fuck would I even do with a bicycle?
Cycle? What else? Typical burger.
And nigger I have a motorcycle as well. How would that precent me from using the bicycle is beyond me.

>>16598881
Glad to hear he survived.

Same happened in my HS class. The passenger was a cross country champ and she is now in a wheelchair, all others relatively unscathed.

>>16598911
I still don't see how a bicycle is even in this seatbelt discussion.

IT SHOULD NOT BE A LAW TO WEAR A SEAT BELT.

>>16598461
Freedom, noun.
1.The state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint
2. Exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.

Free shit from the government is not what freedom is, cuck.

>>16598911
niggawut?
my state has click it or ticket laws, I'm not the one who said I have a 10 minute drive you fucking mongloid, and yes lets get mad at our already in debt government for not spending more money to plow all of our dirt roads that lead to nothing but houses. Even with plow trucks and sanders its not exactly easy to deal when you get dumped one with 4-5 feet at a time (that's about 1.5 europoor units of measurement)

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yeah I'll keep using mine, thanks

>>16598931
So you believe all laws are against your "freedom" uh?

>>16598907
Good for you, but here in the US driving is more of necessity than a luxury. It's fucked up to pull some working schmucks civic off the road because of a shitty catalytic converter while letting some jerkoff in an f350 drive his toy around because "lol it's a truck he can pollute"

>>16598962
>but here in the US driving is more of necessity
Sucks to be you, shouldn't have turned your urban planning into a complete shitfest.

>>16598959
It's pretty simple really, if I'm not harming anyone in any way or causing a dangerous situation, or if the harm/danger is only brought on me, then it shouldn't be illegal.

>>16598164
YOU ARE THE NIGHT OF FIRE

>>16598980
What about minors? What about parental teaching roles?

>>16598928
Because for a 10 minute commute you should use a bike.
>>16598944
>my state has click it or ticket laws
What the fuck is that shit? Some police price game ala Who wants to be millionare?
How the fuck do you drive a car with 1,5m of snow anyway?
>living in the middle of nowhere while complaining about the snow
Typical american.
>>16598980
>or if the harm/danger is only brought on me, then it shouldn't be illegal.
Wrong. You're obviously not able to choose what's best for you.

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>>16598976
Nah I like driving, why would I want to be a buss cuck? And why would I want to live in a city? In any case, urban planning isn't as simple here Muhammad.

I guess most of you anons would want a law that forces you to use the safest most efficient vehicle in the world. If you go above the speed limit by one mph you also get arrested :^) and the vehicle wont start unless you have the seatbelt properly on.
Its a small price to pay to arrive safetly r right?

>>16599008
Actually it should be even easier than in Europe because you have no existing structures to deal with. But I presume that this is exactly what made your urban planning so utterly awful.

>Hey we have an empty flat space, let's just pave a giant grid with frontyards for everyone and worry about maintenance, traffic and time consumption later! Also let's enact fascist zoning laws so that everyone has to drive miles to the next store!

>>16599006
it simply means where your seatbelt or you get a ticket, seriously its like you britbongs speak another language. You wait for it to be plowed, or have a vehicle that can handle it, I'm not complaining simply explaining to you that while a bicycle may be a viable solution for you, not everyone lives in the region as you and does not have that luxury.

>>16599009
>le slippery slope argument
>unless I drive a shitbox with my seatbelt off, the government is going to enslave me

>>16599037
?
All i did was argue your point
If you are not actively acting to protect your life the government should take care of you and decide

>>16598451
Front seat drivers?

>>16599060
Durr. Meant front seat adults... passenger or driver.

>>16599009
As you can see if you wouldn't make a simple thing such as using a seatbelt obligatory, dumbfucks wouldn't wear it.
>>16599036
I'm not an English speaker.
>>16599036
You're the one who said no one will plow it, m8. What kind of car could "handle it"?

>>16599075
No i personally wear one
But my point still stands if you do not actively act to protect oneself and loved ones then the government should choose for you

>>16598562
All your examples are off road situations. Except for the taxi driver scenario, but taxi drivers aren't required to wear a seatbelt anyway

>>16599106
? The we agree.

>>16599188
Yes we both agree the gov't should enforce the most efficient and safest car

>>16599075
4x4's, it's not plowed immediately, you have to wait usually a day or so

>>16598079
>took bench seat out of my truck years ago for cleaning
>forgot to connect the wiring harness plug to the seat belt receptacle
>no more seat belt light

this is a cheaper option

>>16599207
That's totally different.
>>16599208
No 4x4 could handle 1,5m of snow, nigga.

>>16598283
I wouldn't risk driving a TVR anyways.

Let's hope the new one has actual good build quality.

>>16598086
>Drive a car from before 66 and you literally die in a flaming steel tomb

ftfy

>>16599227
No because if people are stupid enough to make dangerous decisions then the gov't should make their decisions

Speaking of seatbelts, why the fuck rollcages are not an essential safety measure?

It won't let the roof cave in into your melon and it even reinforces the chassis/structure of the car.

>>16599279
Because they're really fucking dangerous when you're not wearing a helmet.

>>16599279
In racing or normal cars?
At least in the US, all cars are required to withstand a rollover crash and have super thick pillars.

>>16599279
>hit head on rollcage
>dain bramage

unless you want to wear a 4 point, helmet, and HANS every time you drive

>>16599279
Rollcages are excessive because it's already pretty fucking hard to cave in the roof of any modern car.

For as much time as I spend rolling my car, I don't think it's a worthwhile investment since I just cruise the city streets.

>>16598132
>1:05
Lmao
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gZoInf5jjfI

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>>16598079
>tfw some cop gave me a $200 ticket when I was 18 because I had the sash tucked underneath my arm
>tfw about to graduate from my city's police academy
I AM COMING FOR YOU, MOTHERFUCKER

>>16598550
So its more of him being a fat fuck that would've endangered him not the fact that the seat belt wouldn't have saved him.

>>16599043
Let's think of it pragmatically then.

Instead of the government having to spend a fortune scraping your bloodied remains from the road because you shoot out of your windshield, they can just force you to wear a seatbelt so that cleanup is easier and cheaper. Savings get passed onto the taxpayer.

Does that work for you?

>>16599322
Trucks made within the last decade can still crush their cabs in rollovers.

>>16599283
This rollcages are more dangerous at low speeds than typical designs unless you're using a helmet and racing harness.

>>16598079
I hated that annoying ass dinging when I bought my car. I cut the wires and capped them off on the drivers seat, Then later did it to the passenger seat because every time I would put my laptop on the seat it would beep.

I wear my seat belt but not If I'm driving to my mail box or around my property.


I don't know why wearing your seat belt is a law, You should be able to die in a crash if you choose though.

>>16598132
> 2:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so9DBHCo64Q

>there are people here who seriously argue that there should be a law enforcing seatbelt use

How ethically illiterate can you statist twats be?

>>16599518
>I don't know why wearing your seat belt is a law, You should be able to die in a crash if you choose though.
There's a law against suicide, retard.
>why can't I kill myself
Nothing stops you from breaking the law and get yourself killed in a crash, you can easily do that.

Fatty boom boom too fat to fit in the seat? Don't drive fast enough for it to matter?
Lmao

Would be useful just for my dog.
She is heavy enough to set off that stupid fucking chime that you can't turn off

>>16598462
Butthurt because stang got 2 stars?

>>16598738
What bike goes 60mph

>>16598132
Most of these look like really epic dunks.

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>>16598674
>the one dummy that gets like a full second of air time

>>16598265
>This argument is fucking stupid.
It's 100% empirically true. If the argument is stupid, then reality is stupid.

>>16598265
>college kid on a hot date
>they won't bang without protection

Nice virgin logic.


>>16598283
>front airbags

I'm actually more comfortable without them.

Bonus: Got a letter about another airbag-recall last week.

>>16598756
Nigger, I live in Minnesota and used to ride heave ass Mongoose bikes all year long with the normal tires, only I'd run them until the tube started popping out the side.

>>16600443
It's true but the seat belt are barely in cause
It's more about the feeling of safety you have from the car which depend on many things
But a seat belt can save your live in a crash anyway

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>>16598551
same here but only because harnesses are illegal for road use here, not sure why if they are certified for use by racing safety authorities?

The only reason I can see which is why i really wouldn't use them on the road anyways is that I cannot turn properly if I need to look at odd angles to the rear because my upper body is basically locked in.

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>>16598382
Yep mainland Chinese are soulless appliances

>>16598962
This is some bullshit right here

>>16601135
Also in the event of a crash a cheap/not well designed harness could be problematic in getting a person out of the car fast.

>>16598928
Of course it should. Every time someone gets hurt not wearing a seatbelt it costs everyone else money because of the required health care and possibly disability checks and shit.

>>16598382
Thank the Chinese government. GLORIOUS "COMMUNISM"!

>>16598265
It's not stupid you idiot. Peltzman Effect and law of unintended consequences. Look it up you dumb bitch.

>>16598084
Only if it's an old lap belt. 99.99% of shoulder belts help the occupants.

>>16598079
Honestly those things are only good for old GM seatbelts with plastic shells that would brake and "explode" for every second that they are not locked in. Also that is why the rear seats are always belted even when nobody is in them.

I want the law to stop trying to treat me like one of dem perrly edumacated folks who dun know betturr an jess need a litta halp

I know better. I just don't care. Why am I allowed to ride a motorcycle at a perfectly legal 75mph with nothing but a half helmet on in dense traffic but not allowed to drive 30mph down a residential street that's empty except for me and the cop?

"Because we have to get those perrly edumacated (the whole thing) to stop dying! If we just let everyone do what you're doing, they would die, and we gots ta be faiiiiiir"

Fucking hell.

>>16599241
>I wouldn't risk driving a TVR anyways.
Still safer than the new Mustang.

>>16598090
It's funny how far companies go to stay out of trouble.

"DO NOT USE" has got to be the example ever. I'm surprised McDonalds hasn't written "DO NOT CONSUME" on all of their shit, or placed a sign that says "Floor might be wet at any time, enter at your own risk" right at the entrance.

>>16602149
>I know better
This is exactly how I know you don't know shit about anything.

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>>16598164
I always wonder how people's feet don't catch on the floor or seat and snap their legs in half. I mean, you're sitting with your legs in one of the most confined spaces in your car, surely your feet must block the rotational force on your body (with the knees on the dash acting as the pivot point) as you fly through the windscreen?

Perhaps, as a compromise for all the people who are too edgy:

Make seatbelt wearing mandatory for speeds over 30mph, so you don't die when you're obese and go off-roading, but you also don't die when doing 70mph and rear-ending a soccer mom who slammed the breaks too late.

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>>16598382
>be chinese grandmother
>see 2yo granddaughter being run over by chinese equivalent of a soccer mom
>shout "HEY YOU RAN OVER MY CHILD"
>"thanks for reminding me" thinks soccer mom, as she finishes of your granddaughter
>tfw you realize you should've kept your wrinkly old mouth shut
>tfw you actually wanted to offer the soccer mom money to drive off and not kill your child, but soccer mom misunderstood and killed her instead

>>16599748
You're the one that's ethically illiterate. This issue is an ethical dilemma. There is no single solution that is universally right.

>>16598379
Nah, id reckon the helmet requirements comes from most Americans preference of chopper style and the belief that they are slower and safer than sports bikes

>>16599006
It isn't the government's job to choose what's best for you. It's their job to protect your right to choose for yourself, and to ensure that other peoples' rights aren't infringed by your choices.

I agree that laws should be in place for minors, as they may not have the mental capacity to choose, or their parents may endanger them. But once you're an adult, and you're responsible for your own actions and their consequences, it should be your own right to choose, as long as it doesn't endanger others or infringe their rights. Obviously not wearing a helmet is incredibly stupid for yourself, but I guess you could say you have a right to be stupid if you so choose, so long as it doesn't harm others.

I personally am not even against helmet laws, but I feel like these points apply to a lot of other areas in government.

>>16602343
>It isn't the government's job to choose what's best for you
That's why a government exist in the first place. It's called indirect democracy.

>I personally am not even against helmet laws
Who the fuck would be?

>>16602352
It's the government's job to protect you from threats to your well-being, both foreign and domestic, but not necessarily your own stupidity, provided it doesn't hurt other citizens in the process.

>>16598393
Goyim

>>16602395
>It's the government's job to protect you from threats to your well-being, both foreign and domestic
What the fuck are you talking about? No.
The goverment takes decisions in citizens's stead to make the country go on and make it better.

>>16602406
He is absolutely right though.

>>16598536
You're an autist

>have retarded passenger in car who doesn't like wearing seatbelt
>begin driving, seatbelt sound starts beeping
>they get annoyed and put their seatbelt on
Thanks car.

>>16602508
>that happened

>>16598084
Seatbelts are designed to strangle crash survivors so they don't sue.

>>16598132
Can we stop this meme that the seabelt would have saved him in this situation?

There was enough force to fling him out of the car 50 feet into the air.

If he had his seatbelt on, his ribs would have been crushed and he'd have died regardless

he was going to die regardless. might as well go out like a beautiful swan

>>16602508
>not yelling at the cunt to put their fucking seatbelt on
>not brake checking them at the first stop sign so their head bounces off the dash

My ride, my rules, my $150 ticket if they get me pinched for them trying to feel "cool."

>>16602816
Please show me a case where a 80MPH crash with a seatbelt crushed someones ribs and killed them.

>>16602839
right here

>>16602845
shit anon, you're a ghost? holy crap

>>16602845
Must have been bad man how did you survive being killed?

>>16602845
Feeling pretty spooked rn

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>>16602816
Lol, look at this guy

>>16602861
>bogdanov /pol/ nonsense spreading
Stop it.

>>16598079
>tfw you find a way to defeat the seatbelt jew

Found the morbidly obese racist.

You are angry at seat belts because you have to lift up your huge body just to get at where the seat belt buckle is.

>>16602816
>physics, how do they work?
>whatever, I'll just eat another cheeseburger

>>16598084
I never wear one and have been in several collisions, hasn't seemed to make a difference. I just find them terribly constriction and uncomfortable desu

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>>16603499
>Found the morbidly obese (((racist.)))
>Seatbelts
>4chan

>>16598635
Is that Mr. Yorke?

>>16602554
Back to /x/ you tinhat

>>16599892
> There's a law against suicide, retard.
Yeah, but there shouldn't be.

>>16598477
>jump free

This is the same retard logic used for people not wearing a harnes on access platforms. You won't have the time to make the decision or the ability to do so because the laws of physics don't work favourably for you under these conditions


And disregarding safety completely, a fatal road accident means the road is closed longer and emergency services are tied down longer. Nobody gives a fuck if you die trying to look the coolest edge master in your Facebook gang but people do give a Shit if they loose 3 hours pay because somebody is sweeping your ass/spine/brain smoothy off the road and can't get to work

>>16598313
Pajeet spotted

>>16598183


KEK

This guy knows

dont know how many times ive heard that shit

>>16602170
>only listens to approved authority figures

>>16598136
This. At this point it's an instinct and takes 3 seconds anyway.

>>16608042
I never wear one i like to drive relaxed not strapped in like a cuck

>>16608046
Enjoy getting cucked by momentum and gravity once shit hits the fan