Battle of the Manual AWDs

you just answered yourself
if you're ok with an auto an audi s4 quattro would be a good option

1st gen Toyota Tacoma.

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>>16568733
Suzuki SX4
>find a flaw
>Pro tip: You can't

>>16568764
it's slow
best-looking version is FWD (but still good)

>>16568733
sounds like you need something with AWD.

>>16568768
>it's slow
turbo kit fixes that.
http://roadracemotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=31_48_33&products_id=345
There's a separate kit for automatic cars that's $100 more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkytX2A1bO0

>>16568733
The Evo and WRX STi are the gold standard for fun winter car. If you can't afford the STi a regular WRX will still get the job done. Granted these aren't the nicest to daily, fairly thirsty and insurance sucks if you're a young male.

Consider some sort of xDrive-equipped BMW if you're after something more comfortable and suited for daily driving, though I think those only come in automatic.

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Subaru Justy

A cheap car or truck/SUV as a winter/utility/camping/hauling vehicle and having a fun summer/dry weather car is way better.

>>16569081
I have a 2007 328xi in manual. They exist, and are great drivers.

>>16568733
your existing car with snow tires...

>>16568733
Just buy any naturally aspirated Subaru with a stick, see how you like it from there.

Dont start off with a turbo if you are gonna pretend to be Colin Mcrae.

>>16570093
but how can you rally without the tsu tsu tsu

>>16569274
Also dont buy a Justy, you will get bored a week after owning it and want more car.

Get something mid to late 90's and Subaru, they are dirt cheap and you can easily start upgrading on the cheap because all parts are basically interchangeable between their models.

>>16570096
I learned to drift in a first gen Legacy Wagon on dry, learned to drive in the snow in a Base Model Impreza, now I drive a Legacy GTB year round.

I prefer the NA in the snow and dirt, linear powerband, lighter, and has more than enough power for an amateur, the legacy gets a bit hairy in the white.

>>16568764
the entire car is a flaw.

>>16570138
how?
>cheap
>reliable
>well built
>great AWD system
>aftermarket support (granted only a few companies, but plenty to make your ricer)
>Italian style
>Japanese build quality
>Decent interior
>great fuel economy
Show me a flaw.

>>16570148
The flaw is I cant drive it because my country likes Jap and American

S4 B5

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Legacy wagon

>>16570214

honestly any quattro model should work just fine.

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>>16570182
But it's Japanese. It's literally built in Japan by a Japanese company. WTF is wrong with you?
They even campaigned it in the WRC directly against the Evo and STI before the rule change necessitating 1.6L engines.

>>16570148
>great AWD system
if this was 1980 maybe.

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>>16570224
this

literally only bought the car for winter driving and its excellent aside from when things break. just remember that for the power they make, they fucking chug fuel.

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>>16570230
Name another CAR that can lock the AWD system at a permanent 50/50 split at the push of a button.

>>16570236

Older audi quattro's ?. dont even need a button since its permanent 50/50 on the older system

>>16570236
>lock the AWD system at a permanent 50/50 split
wow this is genious. well done suzuki!

>>16570228
I meant our markets, like they dont give us stuff like this because our markets are different sorry.

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>>16570247
There's also a 2WD mode that disengages the AWD system leaving it FWD for fuel economy reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShP-anKzO5U

The lancer evo has the most technologically advanced awd. But for you any 4x4 truck with winter tires will suffice.

>>16570277
Does it have a transfer case or is it just magic?

>>16568763
>1st gen Toyota Tacoma.
this with SEVERE SNOW SERVICE rated tires

if you have a small garage, then an alternate is a Subaru Impreza Outback (but only if your area has a lot of subaru mechanic expertise, i.e. good shops with competitive prices)

>>16570609
It has a transfer case. They work similarly to the ones VW uses in the Golf R and Mitsubishi used in the Evos

Group B spec celica or a wrx

>>16568764
>>16570148
i had forgot these existed and now i want one really badly, thanks

op just get a subaru. legacy or impreza good choices. you dont need a wrx or an sti, if you did you need one you wouldnt need to ask us if you should be buying it or not. a subaru with an h6 engine would probably be the best bet. some outbacks have it. its paired with a slow gay transmission a lot (see 2nd gen outbacks for example) but its a great engine.

>>16570242
He's talking about locking the center diff as you would with a truck. I don't think that you can do that with Quattro. Woulda been hilarious if Suzuki included front and rear lockers. I miss the Samurai.

>>16568955
>a turbo kit fixes that
>turbo kit doubles it's power and it still only runs a 15 sec 1/4 mile

Lel wat?

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>>16569274
>Subaru Justy

>>16572524

It's only 200hp going through a awd system, It's by no means a race car. It's just supposed to be fun for cruising around the city or back roads. Nobody shits on the gti for being only 200hp...

>>16569081
>tfw 21 YO male
>tfw going to look at an STi in a few hours
>tfw insurance premium went from 150/month to 740 a month just from the quote adding the STi
Admittedly it's mainly because I'm financing and getting all coverage options required for it.

>>16572535
kek

>>16569081
2002 wrx, 22 y/o male 1 ticket 1 accident, $47/mo full coverage. wrx insurance costs are a myth.

>>16572724
740 yo wtf i looked at one i got 350 for me and im 20 btw