What's /o/s opinion on electric cars? Is this guy right?

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Electric cars are great and elon is the savior we don't deserve.

not to mention the model s being one of the fastest accelerating production cars in history makes /o/tists sperg the fuck out

>>16549258
This. The Model S is literally as fast as a Veyron and the Model X beats a 911 Turbo.
Tesla is the greatest thing to ever happen to the automotive industry, since not only did they make electric cars viable, they made electric cars the most desireable cars on the planet.

>>16549220
They need to replace the battery with something that can be filled as quickly as a gas tank. /o/ seems to think hydrogen is just a Hindenburg waiting to happen due to ignorance so I leave it to the collective to come up with a better idea than batteries to run the electrics.

Electric cars still got suspensions, brakes, wheels, and other parts which need to be maintained which the inept cant do themselves. This guy is full of shit.

>>16549323
Batterys get faster every day, modern LiPos can charge to 80% in less than 10 minutes, wich is about as fast as you can refill a tank.

>>16549354
And they fail that much quicker due to the fast charging. Batteries do not like heat or being charged quickly.

>>16549369
>being this retarded

>>16549382
Instead of being a cancerous tripfaggot, go to battery university and read up on how batteries actually work. Technology cannot fix everything.

>>16549369
You don´t need to charge the that fast every day, usually you charge in your garage in a slow rate.
Also even with increased charging speed, they would still last way over 500 full cycles before dropping to 80% capacity.

>>16549390
>N-no! It's not true!
Stay BTFO ICEfag, Elon will save us who are willing to embrace the future while you choke on your own exhaust gas.

>>16549258

Fast from a launch, what happens when the speeds reach three figu-

>>16549390
>being this retarded
There is no way you are actually this stupid. Quick charging doesn't effect battery life. It lasts just as long with it enabled.

>>16549404
Enjoy your GM quality car fires. The reason the Note 7 failed was due to poor battery design. What do you think is going to happen when GM and other cheap manufacturers start needing batteries at a high rate?

>>16549399
The slow charge overnight will help with the overall lifespan of the cells but it will start to lose capacity eventually.

>>16549410
Filtered for being a cancerous faggot who doesn't know shit but about battery chemistry.

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>DURRRRRRR I'M GOING TO FILTER U
>CHARGING A BATTERY FAST GIVES IT BAD BATTERY LIVVESSS
>DURRRRRRRRRRRRRREEERREE
>i'm more smarter than people who have dedicated their lives to the topic
>durrrrrrrrrrrrr
>electric badds!
>gassy good!

>>16549220

Next paragraph

>I've found that my cuck shed is the perfect place to install charging points, especially as Deshawn and his gangbangers park their SRT8s and Camaros outside the front of the house.

>>16549422
>The slow charge overnight will help with the overall lifespan of the cells but it will start to lose capacity eventually.
Teslas usually drive more then 200.000 kilometers before they even lose 20% capacity.
Assuming the owner isn´t a retard letting the car park at 90% in the summer.

>>16549220

Cliffs OP, I ain't reading that.


I'm thinking of buying a small EV as my daily to run alongside my RX7. EVs are stupidly cheap second hand and cost nothing to run.

>>16549450
Nice projection.

>>16549220
it used to be that if you posted shit from reddit or facebook on here people would automaticlly know not to respont to the thread

so many fucking newfags now, the old ways have totally been forgotten

>>16549433
Trip back on retard.

>>16549461
why do ice fags always seem to project their fantasies?

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tldr

HEY ELON

COULD YOU POST THOSE STANDING MILE TIMES

OH

WAIT

YOU CANT


BECAUSE NO TESLA HAS EVER COMPLETED THE STANDING MILE

EVER

NOT EVEN ONCE

IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

ITS BECAUSE IT CANT

>>16549453
From an engineering standpoint, one should always assume the consumer is retarded and design the product to withstand the abuse. Tesla has done a great job getting the cars out there but they need to lead the pack in a different direction, whether that be a new battery chemistry that has a greater energy density than Li-Ion or Li-Po or going with an entirely different energy source all together.

>>16549476
What do you mean fantasies? They're already getting cucked by the big oil corps.

>>16549512
rotflmao

>>16549508
The Li-Ion packs used in the Tesla stand abuse better than moste ICE.
Think about forgetting maintainance at all and always floor the car after cold starts, it won´t last as long as a Li-Ion battery always charged at the Supercharger to 100%

The range isn´t much of an issue, if you compare it to ICE cars, wich usually have about the same range.
Charging with a Supercharger very 4-6 hours of highway driving isn´t a big deal either, after that time you have to pee anyway, so you don´t actualy wait for 20 minutes compared to about 10-15 minutes you would need at a gas station for refueling and paying.

>>16549559
>10-15 minutes to fill up with fuel and pay

What the fuck are you people talking about? I mean, I agree with you in principle, but who the hell takes 10-15 minutes to get gas?

>>16549559
I'm not arguing that a vehicle with fewer moving parts will fail more often. I like the idea of electric cars, I just don't like the power source.

Tesla is more or less the Apple of the car industry. They make a quality product that lasts a while (Or Apple used to).
The thing that worries me is what happens when the Gateway or HP of the car industry make an electric car? Companies such as GM have been caught putting profits over safety. What happens when the batteries they order are not designed or manufactured properly?

>>16549601
Tesla isn't the apple of the auto industry because they actually innovate.

>>16549595
If you inlude paying etc. you will take about 10-15 minutes.
>>16549601
Tesla garants these packs will last at least 8 years.
If not, they will replace it.

>>16549620
You missed the point of the post entirely.
>>16549623
Tesla's packs are not the issue. The issue is when electric cars are made for the masses by the shit tier manufacturers.

Trouble is, updates. What if a manufacturer stops updating a car and someone is using autopilot and it hits a bug? Sure, for now, there will manual controls. But there might not be in the future.

>>16549640
Then people won´t like it and shit on the manufacturer doing this kind of shit, just look at Dieselgate...

>>16549643
Tesla is the only automaker that actually updates their cars for years. Fuck off with your fear of the unknown bullshit.

>>16549643
>not just upgrading every 3 years

>>16549659
VW took a big hit from that I agree. GM has made similar mistakes after knowingly building cars with a faulty ignition switch that caused the airbags to not go off. It was save a few cents per unit or save lives and they went with the former. What happens when these kind of decisions are on the cells of the battery? Instead of death due to a failed airbag, people will be roasted alive.

>>16549681
>people will be roasted alive
That is a retardet meme, a Li-Ion or Li-Po battery isn´t more dangerous than a fuel tank full of gas.
I´ve stabbed several litium batterys trying to get them to burn, it never worked.

>>16549696
Batteries are designed with internal safety features to prevent just that from happening. However if a battery is made cheaply or damage is great enough a thermal runaway will cause the battery to burst into flames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAZ62tUtc0w

It is rare and requires significant abuse of the cell to cause on a properly designed battery.

>>16549732
I tried that with unprotected Li-Po cells as well, it dedn´t even smoke.

>>16549663
Tesla's Model S and X aren't even that old. But 15 years from now? Will they continue to update such an old car? Probably not. Fuck off you autist, it's a very real issue that will only surface later on, not now since it's in its infancy.

>>16549764
>meanwhile all other manufacturers stop updating their cars after 3 months
consider suicide

>>16549664
I usually keep cars for a decade and sell em. Could be different though with everybody saying that "ownership" will no longer be a thing. Fuck off, public things are treated like shit. The cars will be absolutely disgusting, ownership will continue.

>>16549776
You're probably a 15 year-old. I'm a software engineer and very much understand the issues that old, depreciated code poses. You will also realize when your hurtling down a freeway at 100mph in a car that is no longer supported.

>>16549792
>retard makes illogical arguments
>gets his points refuted
>i'm a technician so i automatically am right
>please shut up and stop using logic and reasoning
/o/ in a nutshell

>>16549390
Don't reply to Alphonse you mong.

>>16549799
Not sure if you can understand my chain, probably can't so I shall reexplain in baby terms. In the future, when you're in a 15 year-old car. Will you feel safe in it with autopilot on but it's no longer updated? Yeah, that's what I thought. You would be terrified.

>>16549823
>would you feel safe with in it if autopilot is no longer being updated
Yes? Why wouldn't I? The system works doesn't it? If it didn't I would stop using autopilot if I felt unsafe.

You are a fucking idiot

>>16549848
Bugs are INFINITE. No system is perfect, but when the system is no longer updated, those bugs will surface. So you could be using autopilot, going about your business, but a bug surfaces and you're forced to suddenly take control. Would you feel safe using autopilot again? Knowing now that it could randomly hit an error?

>>16549861
The probability of finding a bug stays the the same if the system isn´t updated.

>>16549861
>using fear of the unknown as an argument
wow! you sure showed me!

>>16549866
>>16549868
As the 4chan circlejerk goes. Guess you won't realize the real issue until you are in said situation. Oh well.

>>16549454
>stupidly cheap to run
Until you need a battery replacement that costs 8 grand kek

>>16549866
>>16549868
https://youtu.be/Az0rWc2W28I

This is how you people sound to me.

>>16549220
>Tesla has lower quality ratings than Fiat

Just let that sink in for a minute.

>>16549877
>>16549892
>STILL using fear of the unknown as an argument
>I WARNED YOU OOOOHBLOOBLOOO
>FeAR what you don't understand because it's Super sppooookkyy!!
do you guys have jobs at an oil company by any chance?

>Electric cars

My stance on them has always been the same, when the range is comparable to a full tank of gas on most cars (300+ miles) and the price is the same as a gasoline powered car or close to it (no more than $2k difference) I will consider getting one.

As it stands right now, I burn over 100 miles a day just going to my job and back and burn another 50-70 if I need to do any running around in town. A car that advertises having a 240 mile range in my area will get signficantly less than that because it is always stupid hot which kills the battery, the AC needs to run which kills it even more, and the likelihood of it getting the mile output for me to use it as legitimate replacement vehicle is made highly questionable for the high mile vehicles now and an outright impossibility for most electrics in general.

IF I lived in a major city instead of the sticks and got less than 20 miles of riding for back and to from my job and running around time, I would consider a long distance EV just in case I need to do extra stuff or a charging port isn't always accessible, right now though, they are a novelty with no real function for how I live.

>What about city dwellers who make up the bulk of drivers?

Go ham, you're the target market. The bulk of the people in the USA live in a major city, but about 100,000,000+ live in such a situation where EVs are fundamentally useless.

>>16549892
If you don´t change the system at all, the probability of an error/driven kilometer stays the same.

>>16549906
>price is the same as a gasoline powered car or close to it
total cost or initial price?

>>16549910
BUT WHAT IF????? TESLA'S ARE DANGEROUS!

i'm totally not a paid shill or anything

>>16549623
>If you inlude paying etc. you will take about 10-15 minutes
Maybe if you go into the store and buy something each time.Pay at the pump and it adds about 30 seconds to the fill time.

>>16549928
>pay at the pump
That is a verry unusual type of gas station...

>>16549918

Initial price.

Like, show me a total electric sedan that cost $1,000 more to buy than the gasoline version. It has a range of 400 miles. Both brand new.

When that situation happens, pretty much everyone is gonna start going electric, but that is pretty much what it is gonna take.

>>16549941
That won´t happen in the next few years, but the costs for the first 2-3 years will get get in that area.
You have to consider that fuel won´t stay that cheap for ever.

>>16549952

>Fuel won't stay cheap forever

What the fuck do you thinks makes the power to supply those electric engines? Sure, maybe hydro-electric, geo-thermal, or what have you is used in your particular area, but non-renewable resources will be used and the extra output needed for the swap will just cause extra prices for energy consumption reducing the price advantage as well.

>>16549938
Normal here in 'murrica. There's a credit card reader on each of the pumps, so you just pay for it there and then fill your tank and drive off.

>>16549970
>what do you think makes the power to supply those electric engines
Nuclear power and many different types of energy?
Why do you think electric cars get astronomically better mpg in cities that use renewable energy?

>>16549970
Where I live on average about 30% are renewable, the other stuff is coal and nuclear(only for a few years)

He's not wrong, but he's so self righteous I want him to be.

Electric cars are great for routine, but horrible if you ever try to break routine. Once someone comes up with a fuel cell that gives electric cars the same range as ICE, I'll try to get one, but until then, no.

Hopefully they won't have banned driving by then.

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>>16549977
>Why do you think electric cars get astronomically better mpg in cities that use renewable energy?

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>>16549992
bait or retarded?

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Well, I see them taking a big, big bite out of the market once they figure out a way to make them run far enough on a charge to support most of population aswell as making charging a lot quicker

Also; find a way to make them not lose insane amounts of power just by sitting in the cold without being plugged in. This'll be a huge problem to solve

>>16549986
My friend could give a fuck about cars and said as they come along she'd get an electric city small one and then rent a car for long trips. We live in a city so renting is fast and available.

I think a lot of people are already willing to work around the long distance stuff

>>16549986
Actually Teslas get pretty much the same range as normal ICE cars.

>>16550024
You can get 430 miles on a charge of a tesla on the highway?

>>16549220
No. He's full of shit.

Electric cars do not very well "fit into your life" when they take twice as long to charge as they can feasibly be driven for without stopping. What if I want to go somewhere in the middle of the night? What if I find out I need to go to the grocery store, but the battery's too low to get me there and I'll have to wait 10+ hours until 4AM when everything's fucking closed until it's ready to go anywhere?

Shouldn't I just be able to make a <5 minute stop on the way to the store to get gas, and go?

>>16550030
You don't have a grocery store within a few miles of you?

>>16550045
No, everything's 15 miles or more away.

>>16549868
If you were diagnosed with prostate cancer and were going to be treated with brachytherapy, would you want your oncologist determining the placement of your internally implanted radioactive sources using a current treatment planning system, or one that was 15 years old and no longer supported by its developer?

>>16550052
>now resorting to false equivalencies

>>16550029
Almost, but my ICE car usually gets that far if I try to use as little fuel as possible.

Where are we gonna get the fuel to produce the electricity to charge these batteries?

>>16550068
Well, in the US, it's mostly from 100% CLEAN-BURNING COAL WOOOO HELL YES I LOVE FREEDOM

>>16550068
>solar
>offshore
>hydroelectric

>>16550054
Not the same guy, but it's a fairly equivalent situation. New data is added to software all the time, and patches are needed when bugs are found.
Computer vision isn't simple, and idk why you would operate a piece of equipment that weighs a few thousand pounds when it's running on software that isn't current or even supported by its developer

>>16550076
Lol

>>16550068
Wind power, nuclear power, water power

Trust me, when the oil starts running low we'll see a massive boom in R&D for renewable energy sources

>>16550079
Because you can still disable autopilot if you don't feel safe you utter fucking moron. Holy shit, are all you shills this retarded?

>>16550088
Oil isn't just used for fuel, though. It goes into a LOT of shit we use every day.

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Don't know enough about the viability to come to an informed opinion.

I do know I like internal combustion and mechanical engineering. This was the domain of good blue collared people. These were our grounds. I feel like it's forthcoming demise is also mine. Like we're becoming redundant.

>>16550079
t. the same guy

>>16549220

>Wants to save the planet
>Has kids

Dropped

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>>16550175
holy fucking same

also, even though there's no historically necessary reason that electric motors have to be bundled with various kinds of tiresome electronic nannies, I suspect that's how it's gonna go down. potentially a big blow to human autonomy.

hold me breh.

>>16549220
>cars as an investment

I can already assume he's retard and has no clue wtf he's talking about.

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It's a lot simpler to modify and upgrade batteries, ESCs and motors then it is to upgrade ICE parts

>>16549450
kek

>>16549323
>Store energy in huge capacitor in your home
>Tesla has two massive iron rods coming out of either end of the battery
>Touch the two rods across the capacitor
>Refill almost instantly
>Totally safe because the rods are thick so they have huge resistance so low current, which means you won't get dead

Fixed that issue for you, you're welcome

>>16550953
>Totally safe because the rods are thick so they have huge resistance so low current, which means you won't get dead
you have no idea how electricity works.

>>16550826
I thought Dragonforce was the hardest metal

>>16549887
>Until you need a battery replacement that costs 8 grand
Until they can figure out a way to make batteries more cost effective, I will never buy a hybrid. My friend has a 2009 Prius that he has driven all over the country with, it has 110k miles. The instant the battery dies, he might as well just buy a new Prius.

>>16553258
Batterys don´t die instantly, they degrade a bit over time.

>>16549220
This must be the most smug Dickhead in 20km Radius

>>16549938

What kind of 3rd world shithole do you live in?

>>16549861
Bugs arent always infinite. Bug fixing can and does (on a regular basis) cause more but different bugs.

>>16553282
Germany, we like cash here and are not 3rd world yet.

>>16549405
For a 4 door saloon car doubling the weight of a supersports car (not even mentioning what this thing does to the top notch 1,5 millon lambos), to me is like they are testing the ground.

In a couple of years this teslas will be running gearboxes, or somekind to put the most of the torque and power to the ground, and then there will be no after three figure decline

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>>16550079

>idk why you would operate a piece of equipment that weighs a few thousand pounds when it's running on software that isn't current or even supported by its developer

To be fair, I know a guy that literally scraps his cars as soon as the warranty ends because they're not technologically advanced anymore, so I know your kind well.

>Mfw death count includes a Mazda 6 MPS

>inner city trendies that think replacing a 2 year old car with a tesla is ((environmentally friendly))

>>16553375
>implying they would crush the 2 year old car instead of selling it

>>16549258
>>16549276
>gets BTFO on rolling start
>gets shit all pulls before flat

>>16549323
ethanol, duuh.

>>16549220
>he thinks a car is an investment
Laughing grills.jaypegleg

>>16553258

This is the one thing I see overlooked time and time again.

All of these electric cars/hybrids have a 5-10 year life span thanks to the batteries at which point they become an economical write off.

They're just disposable appliances and the long term cost and use of resources is going to be insane unless we can come up with an economically viable means of keeping them on the road long term.

>>16549473
Who is it?

I don't care, i'll still be driving muh v8 even if it's made illegal.

>>16553436
*10-20 years

>>16549541
Holy shit did I just go back to 2005?

>>16553353
Not even close to the same scenario
That guy should be exterminated tbhfam

>>16553448

>prius

>10-20 years

top fucking kek

Most are needing full battery replacements after 5-7 years.

>>16553470
>outadted battery technology as example
Most Li-Ion Batterys will outlast this nicke gabrage.

>>16549220
>less expensive maintenance
Oh my God rofl what a fucking MORON

>>16549906
You also need a garage if you live in cold weather. Most people in the northeast do not have access to one let alone own one. The Cold depletes the battery and makes it useless

>>16553461

Sad part is I'm not making this up, he really does think he's doing the world a favor, I remember people lining to try and buy him the Mazda, he didn't budge

>It isn't safe anymore, I won't drive it and neither should you!

Still makes my blood boil to this point. I mean, it was still in good condition, but he's also the type of people that only trusts the manufacturer for repairs and noone else.

they're cool, i'll admit, but you can't argue that they're good for the environment.
the shit they go through to get the stuff the batteries are made out of is anything but good for the environment.
also, where the fuck do they think the electricity is coming from? they can't guarantee that it's 100% renewable. so instead of the fumes coming from your car, they just come from a factory.

>>16553497
They don´t need:
oil changes
oil filter changes
fuel filter change
spark plugs
transmission fluid change

they need less
brake pads
fluids

>>16553388
If they got money from selling their car, how would they relate to the quirky writers living in New York apartments on TV?
I mean, think it through anon!

I drive so little that a Tesla is a poor "investment" for me. So many other things will give me more hours per dollar of enjoyment, like travel and upgrading my home with radiant floor heating.

Now if you spend hours driving every week then sure go ahead and lease the Tesla. I wouldn't buy the thing because you know for sure if you have Tesla 2.0 your going to want Tesla 3.0 or Tesla 4.0.

Older cars are like dumb bricks. I mean there's nothing new about them, but they still serve their intended purpose and are cheap. If an old car breaks I leave it up to my mechanic to say whether I should fix it or tell the Salvation Army to send their wrecker to haul it away.

My hats off to Elon Musk. I've owned TSLA stock since 2013 and like NFLX I think these companies are Cisco and Microsoft of our time.

>>16553436
In the 10 years of owning his prius, my dad probably spent less tha 2 grabd on repairs, one of which went to a battery reconditioning. Any argument about "how much if a waste a prius is after the battery degrades" have never owned one. I see statistics saying on average a BMW owner has to pay approx 4 grand in repairs over the course of a year, what reason would suggest that a prius is more expensibe overall?

>>16549258
>model s being one of the fastest accelerating production cars in history
...and the battery overheats after driving at 120mph for 5 minutes.

>>16549220
I have never wanted to curb stomp a mother fucker so badly in my life

ITT: ice fags get btfo

>>16549352
Electric is still way less complicated. Learn to count.

>>16549664
You're the reason that all new cars are built to break and force people to take massive depreciation hits every 3-5 years. The automobile would be infinitely more affordable if people actually kept and took care of their cars

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>>16549220
That guy is a massive faggot, but electric cars are fucking neato, and it's awesome to be here near the beginning of it. More interested in self driving so we can delete the retards who can't drive from the equation. Stricter license tests would be good, too. Imagine, roads safe for donorcycles. Roads where you can floor it and not worry about some dipshit soccer mom swerving around because she dropped her latte while texting.

As a european, i wonder if we would get all the "small" electric engines because of insurance.

This seems like a good way to restrict road speeds though. George orwell all the way

>>16549220
>Opinion
Eh, use it if you want. I find it hilarious that the production of electric cars involves a larger carbon footprint than the entirety of my trucks lifespan.

>Is he right?
Not really.

>Since 2012 could get fully electric long range cars for kickstarter prices
Define long range and kickstarter prices. Either way, my truck was cheap as shit and will always have a longer range as I do not have to stop as long to "recharge".

>affordable ones are coming out
How affordable? Also curious as to the used market. Last I checked hybrids where fuck all terrible when purchased used.

>Tech changes at a rapid pace so investing in gas is a mistake
So why can't tech for gas vehicles improve? Last I checked the gas engines and cars have been getting better. Such as the cylinder shut-off tech.

>complicated and failure prone
Please explain in detail how the Tesla works. Now explain how it is neither complicated nor failure prone.

>smog checks
Depends on state. Mine doesn't.

>muh elegant electrics will be cheaper
An electrician gets paid more than a mechanic. Now your mechanic needs to be an electrician in addition to being a mechanic. I guarantee it will be more expensive to fix literally anything. Especially since I doubt you'll be able to do your own repairs.

>Much easier to fit into lifestyle
Depends on your lifestyle. It would never have fit into mine.

>supercharger for long distance trips
I thought you said they were capable of long distance trips earlier? Now I need to get some doo-hickey to make that happen?

>convenience of warming up the cabin from iphone
You can do that with a gas vehicle. Ever hear of remote start?

>Poisonous gasses in garage
Is your garage airtight? No? Then it's a non-issue.

>got solar panels recently
And that's why an electric would be better for you. Specifically you. Retard.

>>16556171
>Please explain in detail how the Tesla works. Now explain how it is neither complicated nor failure prone.
Tesla is the Apple of cars. These people actually believe the components in apple products can't fail, unlike the components in PCs or other products.

>>16556220
Funny because Tesla's manufacturing tolerances are actually pretty shit right now, any actual Tesla owner can tell you how many times they've to take their car in to get something replaced on warranty.

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>>16556242
My dad has had iPhones for a couple of years now and something breaks all the time and he has to get it replaced or a new phone altogether. My old HTC had a minor software problem recently that I was able to fix on my own for free and he was like "haha, that wouldn't have happened if you had an iPhone".
>mfw