Trump

Any car manufactured in the US will stay cheap, everything manufactured outside the US will go up big league.

>>16544140
Didn't he just meet with a bunch of companies and tell them that there's gonna be tax for products that come across the border and tax incentives if they stay?

>>16544170
>>16544160
Don't know but I did hear about tax incentives for not leaving.

But what does that mean for cars that never were made in the US in the first place? Do they get a pass or do these taxes apply to everything?

>>16544140
Good thing I know better than to buy a new car already.
Trumps not gonna fuck me over on that one.

>>16544344
Why would they get a pass? Move production or pay tariffs.

He's gonna make America into a bunch of landbarge faggots again like Americans all were back in the late 90s - early 2000s

>>16544377
Comfy desu

>>16544377
>implying Trump has control over designs

Even if he did, he wouldn't be producing shitty malaise era land barges because he knows that shit doesn't sell

>>16544390
Americans want large things though cause they think they are getting they aren't getting their monies worth of they get something smaller but better in every way.
And trump is always saying how huge and big & great everything is gonna be ; he already sounds like an escalate salesman.
so I fear the worst........ faggot landbargers everywhere ..................,faggot.

>>16544456
Your fears are unfounded, just like all the other crybabby lefties, fanny bandit

>>16544140
The used market is far too large for any manufacturer to stay in business with a huge jump in prices. This means the manufacturers with plants in the US need to keep costs about the same, which they can since they're not going to be paying anymore.
The manufacturers with plants in Mexico will lose the extra profit they were making by exploiting cheap labor. New plants will be built in the US instead of in Mexico.

>>16544476
>this is what trumptards actually believe

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>>16544377
>90s and early 00s designs
I am definitely okay with this
bring back curves and get rid of those ugly polygons on cars that makes everything look like something from a game in the late 90s

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>>16544493
>butthurt lefties still think shillary wouldn't have sold out the country to the chinese

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>>16544499
It's not gonna be like that it's gonna be like this

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>gubment forcing me to buy a POS Ford or Lincoln

JUST

>>16544476
>The used market is far too large for any manufacturer to stay in business with a huge jump in prices.
Completely false. Most people don't care about used cars. They think used cars are buying somebody else's problems.
>This means the manufacturers with plants in the US need to keep costs about the same, which they can since they're not going to be paying anymore.
So Trump is just going to Houdini the high corporate tax rate? Un fucking likely
>The manufacturers with plants in Mexico will lose the extra profit they were making by exploiting cheap labor.
>extra profit
Are you retarded. Profit isn't an extra. It's just positive returns.
>exploiting cheap labor
Giving Mexicans to have and giving American consumers less expensive cars in the process, wow what a horrible thing to do.

>>16544524
*Giving Mexicans jobs

>>16544524
>>16544535

Considering we should be worrying more about our own fucking workforce than Mexico's, yeah it is a horrible fucking thing to do

>>16544514
That looks pretty cool m8

why does some retard have to embarrass the entire nations automaking force by basically admitting we cant make good cars to the world

why is this retard our president

we ams treadin downs a path of disappointment

>>16544547
Tribal designs are not cool, fag.

>>16544539
Our own workforce can do other jobs. We don't HAVE to have auto companies that need to be bailed out by the federal government in case of a recession.

>>16544140
>And what about foreign cars that aren't made in the US?
Yep he's gonna put a huge tariff on foreign cars. It's a shortsighted plan to bring some jobs back to the US and force people to buy American made cars regardless of the actual vehicle quality.

tl:dr Trump is an idiot

>>16544555
are you fucking stupid
even as a Mexibro I think your statement is retarded

>g-guys our third world neighbors down south can't get their shit together
>Please give up positions in our workforce so we can exploit their cheap labor
>We can do other jobs! Like-

>>16544562
How fucking dumb are you retards? Foreign car companies have plants here employing Americans, all it will mean is more investment in America rather than Mexico or the fucking Canadians, if the car is made in our borders there's no fucking tariff

THINK FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE YOU LITTLE SHIT

>>16544160

No, US made cars will similarity go up in price as a result of tariffs on parts and materials manufactured outside of US. Do you not understand how internationally connected the auto industry is?

Even US labour is likely to go up in price due to increased demand as some manufacturing plants increase production in the states in order to avoid tariffs.

>>16544539

Trumponomics. Let's bring back manufavturonf but lose other jobs since we're so fucking uncompetitive and no one will buy our shit once it's tariffs and produced at a higher cost than anywhere else in the world

US is fucked if trump follows his elementary school tier economic plans

>>16544390
what if companies somehow decide to make different spec cars for europe and US?

we could possibly get pop up headlights again

>>16544562
you autist

jap companies often use more US labor than actual american companies

>>16544609

Read an economic textbook or Wikipedia article for once. Yeah manufacturing jobs will increase in the US, but this will come at the expense of all the countries OTHER industries since you guys seemingly want to pretend it's 1940 again in a global market place

Have fun when your cost of goods increase and your exports drop off

>>16544688
>Even US labour is likely to go up in price
So more money goes to American workers? I see nothing wrong here.

>>16544709
no company is retarded enough to make pop ups

>>16544724
>>16544724

It's the equivalent of ripping the copper plumbing out of your house to sell for scrap metal

A plus would be if he truly does bring back the coal industry and maybe that would change the laws on smog

Living in CA rn so I'm cucked by alot of these laws

>>16544724
worse cars and higher prices are the likely outcome

American car industry still hasnt fully recovered from the hit the 70s did to its image I can only imagine another era of shit

>>16544744
lol fuck no

>>16544749
Do you have any proof to your bullshit claims or is it all fearmongering ant-Trump speculation?

>>16544744
Coal can't compete anymore, that's why it's dying. Time to cut the subsidies and find the workers jobs elsewhere.

>>16544758
>>16544758

The industry will be a oligopoly with automaker having higher production costs. How would it not happen that way?

You think north Korea has good cars since the do such a good job protecting their industry?

>>16544758
>Americans demand more pay for their work
>prices will go up
>bunch of new workers and plants/tooling
>competition is taxed to hell
>lax standards come into play because lo who is going to spend all that money to buy a good car
>good chance of shit quality

Trump admitting that your countryrs cars are complete shit while enabling and supporting that fact is sad enough

dude is a tard

>>16544791
You might have a point if it wasn't for the foreign auto companies paying good wages for American workers not necessitating workers unions, and that hasn't affected the prices at all

>>16544785
>US
>In any way shape or form economically resembling North Korea

So all you have is pure speculation based on hatred of America, until you come with actual data backing up your claim, you should really stop posting

>>16544555
>Our own workforce can do other jobs.
I suppose you believe the unemployment numbers and subscribe to the obama vision that our workforce is doing "just great" because "look how many jobs we added!" despite them all being part time mcjobs.

service economy is a myth. A country cannot support itself with just service jobs and intellectual jobs.

>>16544723
I dont see it, it's simple, we make american, and buy american, fuck everyone else. It's worked this way since the dawn of our nation's history.

if you think "global marketplace" is a new concept maybe YOU should read a textbook.

in the early days of the country, Britain was still top dog, and an industrial juggernaut. They made most of the farm equipment used in the civilized world. The nascent US manufacturing industry didn't stand a chance against the british juggernaut. So what did the US do? They implemented a tariff on imported farm machinery to protect the domestic industry.

America has had protectionist policies for ages.

Fucking george Washington signed a tariff as one of the first things passed by Congress. protectionist tariffs encourage domestic production.

Ford produces most of it's US market cars in Mexico and Canada.

Toyota makes almost all of it's US market vehicles, particularly trucks- in the US.

what do you think will happen when that Ford Fiesta costs more than a Toyota Camry?

people will buy the Camry instead, and Ford will be forced to produce in the US or nobody will buy their products.

it's that simple.

Not to mention this isnt without benefit- Trump proposes benefits such as tax cuts to companies that move production to the US.

>>16544948
>service economy is a myth. A country cannot support itself with just service jobs and intellectual jobs.

why not?

I agree that it can be a good thing to subsidize domestic manufacturing--in case of war, f'rinstance, or in an infant industries scenario. Or to put tariffs on imports produced, e.g., without regard to environmental safeguards. But no reason why Japan can't produce cars, US can't produce waiters and software, Japan sends us cars, we send Japan waiters and software.

On another note,
>tfw maybe tariffs on cheap Japanese sportbikes
o well at least erik buell will get a leg up, hopefully

>>16545019
>and buy american

only the retards do this

only reason any American cars sell are because they are cheap garbage

I cant even the last time I bought anything made in America so its funny how thats how its been all this time

>>16544816

Do you really have to be spoonfed?

Have you ever considered googling protectionism?

1) Ikenson, D. J. (2009). Protectionist pandemics? the durability of free trade. Georgetown Journal of International Affairs, 10(2), 15-22.

" Like businesses in other countries, U.S. businesses have become increasingly reliant on transnational supply chains. U.S. producers accounted for over 55 percent of U.S. import value in 2007, which included purchases of raw materials, components, and capital equipment used in their own value-added production processes. Furthermore, an open trade policy is all the more crucial given that 95 percent of the world’s population lives outside of the United States"
2) Archibald, R. B., Feldman, D. H., Hayford, M. D., & Pasurka, C. A. (2000). Effective rates of protection and the fordney-McCumber and smoot-hawley tariff acts: Comment and revised estimates. Applied Economics, 32(9), 1223.
“In contrast, the auto industry is a large loser from both tariffrevisions, presumably due to increases in input costs.”
3) Commentary: Don't forget lessons from smoot-hawley tariff act. (2011, ). Xinhua News Agency

"The Act was criticized fiercely before President Herbert Hoover signed it into law. Calling it "an economic stupidity," automobile executive Henry Ford even spent an evening at the White House trying to convince Hoover to veto the bill. And a petition was signed by 1,928 U.S. economists, also urging Hoover to veto.
Now most economists are of the view that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff had traumatic effects on the U.S. economy, running counter to the intention of lawmakers Reed Smoot and Willis C. Hawley, who launched the bill in the belief that it would create jobs and boost exports. They never imagined a trade war plunging the United States and the world into deep recession. "

>>16545019

When Washington signed those tariffs, US did not have a manufacturing or economic base. It can be beneficial to establish those bases through the use of protectionist measures so they do not face immediate competition from countries with larger economies of scaled. However, the United States is arguably the most economically developed country in the world. It does not need to establish a manufacturing base, it was lost as a result of the countries wealth.

Ford will move production to United States, vehicle costs will increase as labour costs rise using US employees. People will continue buying Camry since ford is even less competitive.

Do regular people benefit from higher costs? Of cars? Would your family be better off if everything from’s stoves to tires had costs in the range of 20-30% higher to allow for low skilled manufacturing jobs? Thank god trump will allow Americans to do the jobs of chinks, that's what we need in this country.

If the united states enacts protectionist measures other countries will follow suit and a trade war will begin.

Protectionist measures have been found time and time again to have negative impacts on the economies of developed countries.

The only people who will benefit will be the uneducated mid westerners who are too dumb to move out of their shitholes

>>16545048
>why not?
lets put it this way.

we are a capitalist society.

A Capitalist consumerist society.

our economy revolves around people buying goods and paying taxes.

the standard of living that this country has enjoyed since WW2, was a direct result of a booming industrial sector and an abundance of industrial/factory/labor jobs.

those kids of jobs pay well, and allow an average person to have some money left over after living expenses to maybe buy a new car, or buy a new BBQ grill, or hell, that lawn mower is getting kind of old, let's buy a new one.

This man works in a factory that makes Ford cars. it is a good paying job. the executives at the top obviously make far more, but the worker still makes a good living. with the money he earns from his job, he can raise a family, and then have some money to pay for goods for his family. he can buy his son some toys and his daughter some dresses. maybe at some point, he decides he likes that new sedan his factory built, and so he decides to buy it.

that is the kind of living standard that the civilized, industrialized world knows.

the majority of the people in the "middle" will have some kind of job like that, while those at the top, have a higher education that allows them to make more money in an exclusive position, and the lower end person maybe works at a retail store for a living, or owns a small family owned shop.

TL;DR, service jobs don't pay enough to live off of properly, unless you artificially raise their wages like they did with McDonald's. they are not jobs that were ever meant to be lived off of entirely.

And on the other end, you have higher end intellectual and educated jobs like CEO, scientist, lawyer, etc, but not everyone can have that level job. they are traditionally exclusive jobs for a reason.

You need that middle ground, otherwise you go back to pre-industrialized society, where anyone who isn't rich, is just poor.

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>>16544377
>>16544499
>90s cars

oh god no, not the taurus

>>16545081
wow you are so cool. How can I be as cool as you?

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>>16545198
How about this for your pleasure?

also honestly id still take the 90s taurus over many of today's cars

>>16545186

Guess what? Manufacturing jobs are gone because the US is uncompetitive unless you start paying employees 3 dollars an hour. Deal with it.


The service industry isn't McDonalds, The service industry is financials, engineering, healthcare, technology, advertisement, entertainment etc.

These are universally better jobs than screwing bolts into a seat rest for 8 hours a day

>americans will be forced to buy shitty cars

LEL

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>>16544503
>getting fucked in the ass
>"It's OK Hillary's dick was gonna be way way bigger"

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>>16545256

Truly living the American dream

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>>16545266
>no proof the us will be fucked
>more delicious lefty tears anyways
Still not an argument

>>16545272
>>16545161

Continue ignoring posts.

>>16545277
It's hilarious that you think he would dare try Hooveresque policies in this day and age, you chicken little leftists are hilarious when you don't get what you want

>>16545293

He wants to pull out of NAFTA and tax foreign automakers 35%

Those are Hooveresque policies

I don't think his policies will actually pass because legislators aren't quite as stupid as some Americans, however it would definitely be funny to look at pol in a few years time if they did go through as originally planned.

It feels nice to be looking at america through the window even if the policies will also negatively affect me.

The butthurt of hillary losing was funny, but this could be even better.

>>16545186
lots to think about here. strikes me as different than "a country cannot support itself" but nevertheless worth talking about

In particular, it seems to me that postwar prosperity was not the result of industry per se as much as the result of providing things the world wanted but couldn't make for itself because most industrialized countries were devastated. The lesson is not to make 50s Cadillacs, the lesson is to make things or provide services that can't be provided by anyone else.

also worth considering the ratio of labor:capital.

>>16545247
mm yeah but these jobs also have an increasing minimum human capital (IQ/conscientiousness) requirement and assortative mating means that the skills required for those jobs are increasingly concentrated in a small subset of the population. see Murray's "Coming Apart"

>>16545321
>I sense a leaf behind this post
Well he met with Trudeau to discuss trade, we'll see but I'm pretty sure Donny's gonna find a way to win in the negotiations considering Trudeau has no business acumen and is basically the Canadian Ying to Donald's Yang as far as political background is concerned

Mexico is manipulating its currency, and it's killing this nation.

>>16545334

Looks interesting, I'll give it a read when I have the chance

>>16545336

Of course I'm a leaf

I'll be annoyed if he fucks Canada considering US gets a pretty fair deal in NAFTA and its mutually beneficial.

Plus we are pretty similar countries

>>16545428
I think Canada will be fine, Mexico however....

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>>16544725

>>16544140
Less and less unions at auto makers now, Like toyota in KY, those guys make what..13$ an hour ??


More and more car companies will slide towards West VA and KY I bet and pay the workers just over poverty.

>>16544566
Mexibro? More like a Meximoron. Why should we do jobs that you can do for less cost, and then ship the fruits of your labor back here for consumer benefit? We both benefit.

>>16545496
Right, keep the Mexicans at slave wages like the Chinese who make your precious iPhone, how humanitarian of the left

>>16545508

It's not slave labour if they are some of the better paid wages in the country, its mutually beneficial.

>>16545523
>some of the better wages
>He makes $60 more a year over the average!

Pathetic leaf

>>16545537

Would you rather he make the average? Because that's the alternative.

Not to mention it also involves engineers etc. who are running the plant and its operations, and the industries supporting its construction etc.

>>16545560
And there are less of them compared to the plebs on the floor, and peanuts above average is nothing to write home about so that holier than thou attitude needs to stop

>>16545567

Its not holier than though lmao, would you rather be paid 2 dollars per hour or 3? Are you harmed by being given a job that pays more?

fucking idiot what's next we won't be able to import food. communist scum

>>16545592
>it's marginally better than a local manufacturing job
>it's soooo much better

Please, if they were making a significant improvement than I wouldn't say anything, but Mexico is treated the same way as China, and we all know how well they're paid

If you want to act like what your doing is actually improving their lives, than actually do something that improves their lives

All this bullshit with them moving manufacturing to Mexico is just to appease shareholders which is why we're stuck in the mess we're in

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>>16545613

No shit thats the major concern, its fucking obvious. Did you really feel like it was necessary to point that out?

My point is that its also helping Mexicans

>>16545648
My point is that it's not helping Mexicans like you say it is, it may be a job, but it only pays marginally better than any other job they could get, and yes you are acting holier than thou by saying
>b-but look what we're doing! We're making their lives better!
While not actually doing anything to make their lives better
They're still making the same shitty wages they were before
They're still working the same fucked hours they were before
They don't have any real benefits to speak of from working said job

There's no real benefit to anyone other than those in charge of the company and the shareholders, which is essentially the argument against TPP

>>16544725
>>16544709
pop ups are outlawed on cars built after a certain year (early 90's iirc)

>>16544524
>Completely false. Most people don't care about used cars.
Most people buy used cars, especially today. New car sales are suffering and manufacturers are building more than dealerships can sell already.

>Trump is just going to Houdini the high corporate tax rate? Un fucking likely
If you manufacture all your cars in the US, then you don't have to pay the additional tax. That means your cost stays the same, so your prices can stay the same.

>Are you retarded. Profit isn't an extra. It's just positive returns.
Example here:
Cost to build in US: $8k - MSRP: $10k, that's $2k profit
Cost to build in Mexico: $5k - MSRP: $10k, that's $5k profit.
The $3k is "extra" gained from exploiting cheap labor.

>Giving Mexicans to have
Mexico can handle Mexico's economy. They don't have to feed off of the US, and the US is under no obligation to feed them.

>and giving American consumers less expensive cars in the process, wow what a horrible thing to do.
They're not selling the cars any cheaper, just increasing profits.

>>16544555
Maybe our economy wouldn't be as fucked if we weren't supporting Mexico's economy?

>>16544562
>force people to buy American made cars regardless of the actual vehicle quality.
>hurr durr american cars suck
Go be a special snowflake elsewhere.

>>16544555
Manufacturing jobs offer well paying long term careers that are easy to get into if they're not run by unions. In the US those are being replaced by dead end minimum wage fast food jobs.

>>16545667

The benefit for Americans is cheaper vehicles that allow them to use their time for more productive tasks, and the benefit for Mexicans is a relatively well paying job, and the benefit for shareholders is increased profit

>>16545713
>the benefit for Americans is cheaper vehicles

lmao not it's not, the only benefit is to the board and shareholders who make the majority of Americans

I don't think you've noticed but American cars haven't gotten cheaper, if anything they've gotten more expensive and that's not as a result of inflation either

And the point of my argument is that the policies forcing them back onto American soil is that it benefits the American workforce NOT the fucking shareholders
How many times do I have to say the same thing before it registers in your syrup sucking head?

>>16545670
>what is the c5

>>16545753
*majority of the money

as an ausfag it will kinda hurt us a bit, maybe. but good lord i can't wait to see the US tear itself apart like i pray to jebus it does.

with any luck it will fall further than britain did after wwII.

>>16545764
How would it hurt Australia? What was your country to benefit from TPP? Australian cars will be made in Australia, please explain how your country will feel adverse effects from America forcing American companies back to home soil

>>16545757
oh i was out by a few years.
mid 90's then. happy?

austist cunt

>>16545772
australian cars? what australian cars?

i said maybe. not just the TPP, everything. everything the next 4 years will bring under trump might hurt us a bit.

>>16545783
Oh that's right, the Zeta got killed, but why wouldn't your factories be repurposed for the new models instead of importing from us? Why isn't Holden and Ford Australia reinvesting in their plants? Are you saying that AUS will no longer be manufacturing your own cars?

>>16545792
yeah mate. toyota, ford and holden all pulled out. we got zero.

>>16545803
Damn breh, just don't blame ol' Donny, that shit was decided long before he won the election

Fuck Obama

>>16544140
It means we'll finally have American cars that are actually made in America instead of cheap beaner and canuck shit with chinese parts

Instead of money pouring to other countries it will circulate around the US more meaning we'll all be richer. The companies lose because instead of paying less for foreign workers they'll have to pay competitive wages for American workers.

>>16545763

Its not sustainable to have a high profit margin on vehicles, the competition will under cut you if you pocket the labour costs reductions.

The profit margins on compact cars often are in the range of $500. The fact is that vehicles are cheaper for the equivalent vehicle in years past

The difference is that additional emissions, safety, performance, and more creature comforts are the standard nowadays.

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>what is the c5

>>16545773

>>16545861

>>16545808
nothing to do with obama or don.

blame our PM's for that.

i just don't like america and can't wait to see its fall from the "top" so even the average american opens their eyes and sees america as to what it is right now. a shit hole.

>>16545867
Please nigger, I know the country i live in is nowhere near the beacon on a hill we've been thumping our chests about for the past 70 years, shit this country hasn't really been good since the 70s, but it's my country and I fucking love living here, it's not like I'm asking Australia to be turned into glass, stop being a Melbourne and test and chill the fuck out

>>16545857
No, vehicles aren't any cheaper compared to in the years past, price levels have remained the same in compacts but adjusted for inflation, the cheaper assembly and parts only benefits the companies profits, especially when you factor in the cheaper parts that require replacement which is even more profit for the company, stop being a corporate bootlicker, globalism only benefits corporations

>>16545904
*Melbournian twat

>>16545904

Keep calling me a bootlicker, thats fine. I own stocks.

But the fact is you cant be making 20% profit margins on vehicles, or else someone else will happily step in and earn 15%

All it means is that you will go out of business if you do not adapt to the cost saving measures.

You may have a brain deficiency if you cant grasp this simple concept.

>>16545864
christ you are a fucking retard autist cunt.

when was the c5 designed? please tell me.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2013/10/22/pop_up_headlights_why_the_hidden_headlamp_has_disappeared.html

>>16545839
see

>>16545161
>>16545184

>>16544377
if only we got rid of stupid pillar airbags and backup camera laws

>>16545951
No, I'm looking at from a different perspective, as in the whole is greater than the one, as in I don't give two shits if you lose money because of what will transpire, as a matter of fact I hope you go broke from being a corporatist faggot

How about you adjust your portfolio and invest elsewhere if all you care about is profits, inhere pharmatech is doing great

>>16545904
no.

you live in a shit hole country but act like its heaven on earth

your catch cry of freedom is a fucking farce as well, you're not even in the top 10 countries for most personal freedoms. infact, where you excel at has alot more in common with shit tier dictatorships. high % spending of GDP on the military and a huge prison population.

from an ausfag, who is more freererererer than you.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

>>16545985
in saying that.

don't leave and come here, we don't want you dumb fat fucks. stay and fix the shit hole you live in.

>>16545982

You are the one who only cars about uneducated lazy dumbfuck american midwesterns and ignore the rest of the world and rest of your country

>>16545985

And my portfolio is primarily financial, industrial, real estate, oil

>>16545985
Way to just pay attention to where I said I love my country and love living here, yet ignore the first half of my post
>Australia has more freedoms than America

Lmao, what? You faggots are under the same surveillance us, Canada, and Britain are under, your vehicle laws are way stricter than ours and your highway patrol is even more corrupt than ours, your reactionary politics is juvenile at best and is the sole reason why your little leftist shithole down undah is turning into a PC hell hole

But yeah, you're more freererer lol

>>16546002
And what the fuck has the rest of the world done for us, huh? Bitch and moan no matter what angle or pursuit we've taken and for what? Fucking cheap goods? Whoa buddy holy shit that makes up for everything! You faggots are entirely dependent on us and is closing our doors does nothing but cause you fucks to go for it on your own

Eat a dick

>>16544140
Dont care. I wont own anything newer than 1980

>>16545970
>Furthermore, an open trade policy is all the more crucial given that 95 percent of the world’s population lives outside of the United States"

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>16546023
please ignore the link more retard.

just google it. you don't rank in the top 10. haven't for a number of years.

>given facts
>lel i dun red
>WE HAVE MOR FREDUMS THAN YYOU HA

>>16546023

Have you read

>>16545161

Yet?

Do you not understand that the united states wealth and the world in general is due to globalization making goods cheaper and more efficient to manufacture?

Have you once in your life read something other than a news article? Or listened to your equally retarded friends and parents? Have you ever read a book beyond grade 9 with that bitch Ms. Robins?

Is the only freedom you can think of vehicles? That's the epitome of freedom held to you, the last bastion of American might?

>>16545958
>pop ups are outlawed on cars built after a certain year (early 90's iirc)
>built

c5 was built up to '04.

and pop-ups are not 'outlawed' on any car, at least in the United States. it's becuase yurocuck regulations do not permit it for pedestrian safety, and companies would have to go through too much trouble to manufacture differently for different markets.

>>16546038
>Economic freedom

NO SHIT, wages have been stagnant for over 30 fucking years and is brought up in the media at least once a week and you think I don't know this? Fuck me you're stupid
Economic freedom =/= personal freedoms, you still have shitty laws regarding your roads and cops, you can't own a fucking gun for protection and God forbid you use an item like a cricket bat to defend yourself because YOU'LL be going to jail for "excessive force" amongst others and you have the Gaul to through Economic Freedom in like it's the end all be all?
Fuck off you thick cunt

>>16546060
Hey chicken little, do you honestly think America will go back to the Monroe Doctrine? Because it won't, and if we put in place protective measures to insure American manufacturing still exists than so be it, it probably won't happen with lesser goods, and will probably only deal with items such as automobiles, and other expensive goods like home air conditioners or something

Rubbermaid will still make their shit in China and other shitty electronics and other small goods will still be made abroad, the legislature will allow some protectionism but not to everything especially when the public notices the price on domestic (meaning household) goods rising

>>16546060
How do you think Japan went from an a fishing island to a nation producing cars and computers that the rest of the world buys? Protectionism. How do you think Airbus managed to develop in order to compete with Boeing? Protectionism.

Sure cheaper goods made in china using toxic materials that break in a short time is good, but not when you have no fucking money to buy any of it because all the jobs are in china or mexico. The wealth has left the US a long time ago thanks to these open markets.

A united states worker in the 1950s could work at a factory and have enough money to support a family. Today that isn't possible and that's the problem here.

>>16546088
google is your friend you ignorant cunt.

>2016 rankings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index

>>16546088

Do you understand the concept of a trade war? If you put restrictions on a major items like automobiles you can bet your ass that tariffs will be put on your exports as well

>>16546093

I addressed that in an earlier point, I do believe protectionism is beneficial in developing countries to allow a seed industry to develop, such as the example you give with Airbus

The difference here is that the United States is arguably the most developed country in the world, Its automobile makers have been running for the last hundred years. Its automobile makers are currently competitive.

The vast majority of parts in united states cars are made in china regardless of the fact that it may be produced in united states.

This isn't 1950 anymore and it isn't coming back, you can try to to blame an imaginary bogey man but the fact is that the rest of the worlds industry wasn't just decimated by a world war. You are ignoring the realities of the 21st century and hoping to do the impossible

>>16546115
>The2016 Rankings(2015 Rankingshere) reproduce the original ranking concept using the same data sources, albeit adjusting the weighting of data to best capture the original intent of measuring "the ability of the individual to live their lives as they choose."
>adjusting
So it moved from its original intent to focus on PC bullshit which probably narrows it down to LGBQT and minority interests, how progressive
Should have expected a Melbournian to post some leftist nonsense

>>16546122
>implying we haven't been in trade wars
>implying anyone buys American automobiles or heavy goods outside of America

Stop posting at anytime leaf

>>16545674
>this is what nationalists actually believe
I can tell you've never taken a single economics course in your life, or you at least failed out of one. Protip: don't talk about what you don't know about. Your post is laughably flawed.

>>16546143

Hmm lets see, Caterpillar does 61% of its sales internationally

Automobiles are the united states largest export

What about planes? Boeing?

What about oil?

>implying trade wars can't worse

>>16546143
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/human-freedom-index-2016.pdf

not even in the top 10.

top kek

enjoy your nanny country.

>>16546179

top kek

>>16546179
>same-sex relationships
>divorce
>womens security
>press killings

What kind of meme ass shit is this?

>>16546143
just google it you fool. the more you ignore the facts the more you look like a typical dumb cunt american so blinded by their patriotism for their country they fail to see how shit it is.

>HURR ALL OF THOSE GOOGLE RESULTS ARE FALSE MERICA #1 MERICA #1

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>>16546195
Tripe only a cancerous lefty from Hellbourne would post kek

>>16546195
go to bed

>>16546195
yeah well you're only going to drop alot in those respects in the next 4 years.

trump hates all of those things EXCEPT press killings, which i'm sure he'll start soon if not already.

>in 4 years you won't be in the top 20 for freedoms

rekt

>>16546199
Wow, I never claimed America was number one, way to get stuck in your tunnel vision you thick cunt

Actually, go ahead and point out any of my posts that said America was number one, go ahead I'll wait

>>16546210
you don't have to? you're obnoxious fact ignoring dumb cunt attitude of you and your whole country screams it out to the international community at every step.

pro tip, if you travel abroad, say you're canadian.

>>16546203
Lmao

>>16546209
Yah dude the ability for women to more easily divorce their husband at a whim, the freedom for women to take custody of the children and receive alimony, the freedom to kill your fetus, the freedom to fuck another guy in the ass

Much freedom, such wow

Kill yourself, anytime

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>>16546209
>Hurr Durr my leftist hyperbole will dictate what happens in America's future

Sure thing

>>16546223
>fact ignoring
Leftist slanted "studies" aren't facts kiddo, and I never claimed America was number one in a goddamn thing, but please do continue your bullshit hyperbole, and sorry but I'm no bitch and have never claimed to be Canadian when asked traveling abroad

>>16546232

not like you every have to worry about getting married my man, why do you even care

>>16546238
Oh wow, personal attacks, real nice argument you got there lefty

I bet your a shining example in the LBGTQ community

>>16546234
>this study showed me facts that prove me wrong
>leftist scum! those facts are wrong!

so typical.

as i said, enjoy your shit hole country now, and enjoy it as it gets shittier and shittier.

another leftest link i guess?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/08/daily-chart-14

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>>16546254

Who said im a lefty lol

I just think protectionism is retarded and blind American trump supporters are even more so

>>16544170
Tweeted at, not met with

>>16546256
>claiming rekt in your own posts
Wow you are sad, keep up your "argument" even though no one is saying America is number one at anything

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>>16546256
>Worlds most livable cities

I think we both know why US cities aren't the most "livable"

>>16546238
Yes marriage rates and birth rates have been decreasing while divorce rates increasing thanks to giving women the right to vote.

The muslims you leftists love so much don't have that problem. Hmm I wonder why

>>16545019
Alternative history
Alternative facts

>>16546171
>muh ad hominem
If you think anything is wrong, correct it. Else I'll just assume you have no idea what you're talking about and don't like what I'm saying.

>>16546317
Lmao, I guess if it doesn't agree with your narrative it isn't worth mentioning, is it?

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>>16544351
>mfw the US adopts a Japan-style inspection system that encourages people to buy new cars every 5 years

>>16546330
Thank God this will never happen

>>16546324
Have some (((Citation Needed)))

>>16546444
Likewise to you
Are you going to prove your point, or just spout out more ad hominem?

>>16546452
This tablet is to dicks to argue on a Chinese picture website with links and shit.

But you have so many assumptions and oversimplifying. I mean your basis is it happened in 1776 so it still must work today. History is nice to reference but doesn't mean it must be repeatable.

>>16546347
Shaken isn't really that bad if you're not a dumbfuck, and it ensures that every car on the road is at least in minimal working order. The thing is, Japanese are like Americans. They don't do much maintenance beyond keeping the car looking spiffy. So when cars start needing more TLC, which they usually do in 5 years, shaken makes the Japanese sell the cars rather than fix. If we had that system, we wouldn't have people driving unsafe cars into the ground, and hopefully there would be a healthy secondary market for American cars all over the planet, like there is for Japanese used car exports.

>>16546539
I see what you're saying, my only issue is that Shaken fucks over enthusiasts
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the owners if older sports cars like the Silvias, Truenos, Supras, etc have to pay taxes that increase every year of ownership? I know that it was implemented to encourage and strengthen the automotive industry, but people who actually take care of older cars shouldn't have to pay an additional tax on top of whatever fees associated with inspections

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>>16544140
>So are new cars going to cost twice as much now since cheap Mexican labor can't be used without huge tax at the border soon?

No there will be no border tax as it would hit his pocket and he doesn't pay tax.

>>16545979

But those save lives.

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ITT:
Leftists with constructive arguments and facts
Trumptards shouting "MUH JERBS!"

>>16546899
Wrong

inb4 even more import regulations.

You know the after effects of the Great Depression were so great because countries reacted to the stock market crash with heavy import fees, right?

>>16546899
Not an argument

>>16546171
Then you should probably take the initiative to argue his claim rather than hurling baseless accusations now, shouldn't you?

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>foreign car companies make their cars in the US while US car companies make their cars in Mexico
>people want to actually help these kikes

>>16544377
Thank you, God.

>>16545674
Throughout time and age, each and every time a tariff was made to some product, it made them more expensive. The extra profit argument implies the price is arbitrary, which is false. Every seller is trying to get the most amount of money he can possibly can, and every buyer is trying to get the cheaper price they can find. You can include things like service in the price, since some people would rather pay a little extra to have extra care or to buy from someone who they know is reliable.

What will happen is: if, out of a vacuum, a tariff was being imposed foreign manufacturers cars, the price will go up. This is just a fact. But, things don't work out of a vacuum. What Trump intends to do is, impose tariff while, at the same time, cutting deals with countries and companies to bring back jobs that could and were being produced in the US. If he fails, imported cars will rise in price and you get a market like in Brazil: Local cars are shit and imported cars are overpriced (albeit it would never reach Brazilian levels) but hey, they're manufactured here!

But, and this is a big but. Trump is ALREADY on the talks with countries and already made companies go back to the US. But it's impossible to have a country that produces 100% of their good. Someone will want to buy foreign goods, and for them, it'll will be more expensive.

tl;dr: imported cars will get more expensive, but we hope we can get them to produce here, so it'll end up cheaper.

O IS NOT POL

STOP RAIDING O WITH POL BULLSHIT

THIS IS NOT CAR RELATED


THIS ISNT EVEN POL RELATED


THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO TALK POLITICS

DO NOT DISCUSS OFF TOPIC SHIT ON OUR BOARD


SHILLS ARE MAKING THIS BOARD WORSE

>>16544688
I would think there are plenty of young people waiting tables right now who would much rather be building cars that they can see driving on roads every day. Even if the pay difference is insignificant.

itt: americunts prove how stupid and fact ignoring they all are.

>>16549335
What facts? You mean those stupid rankings by biased organizations? Or those rankings that you tried to shove in that anons face even though he said America isn't number one?

>>16549128

This is a discussion about the effect current politics might have on the automotive industry and our hobby you fucking inbred.

>>16549115
>The extra profit argument implies the price is arbitrary, which is false.
If prices didn't go down substantially when production was moved to Mexico, then the extra profit argument is valid.

Prices will go up on imported models, yes. Because that's what the tariff would be imposed on. But the assumption that all prices would skyrocket and everyone would go broke buying the now overpriced new cars is just absurd.

Easing the ridiculous average fuel economy standards will greatly reduce R&D costs which can help keep prices down, as well as reducing retooling costs for constantly changing models to squeeze an extra 1/2 mpg out of them.

>>16549171
Currently working a dead end manual labor job. Would much rather be building new trucks.

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>>16544758
>Do you have any proof to your bullshit claims or is it all fearmongering ant-Trump speculation?
Those liberals are full of hate from Hillary's loss, so they are making up more anti-trump speculation.

One only needs to look at China's great wealth of which much of it came from the USA. Sure, products and product quality would increase if it were made in the USA. Imagine that a substantial amount of that wealth China has had actually remained in the USA.

People in the USA complain about the gap between the wealthy and everyone else. Much of that gap was caused by the huge amount of wealth leaving the country and going into China. Imagine if that wealth had remained in the USA so that gap had not increased.

Back when Reagan made those tax cuts, he had not envisioned that Clinton would sign away the other necessary part of the USA economy by giving China the Most Favored Nation trading status. Nor did Reagan envision Clinton fighting for and signing NAFTA. Those two things wrecked the tax cuts approach and actually turned them into liabilities.

With NAFTA and China MFN, Clinton worked within the system where large donations to the Clinton Foundation got action. It's very similar to those influence peddling days when Hillary sold access and request handling speed to those who made their donations or other purchases. Why do you think she had to hide her emails so that they could be deleted to break evidence trails? Influence peddling is profitable.

>>16544140
He just said that he is going to ignore the climate change scam and we are going to have good cars again without paying a shiton of taxes for them because muh C02 Emissions!
High levels of C02 in the Atmosphere only makes plants get bigger and therefore animals in the long term (the Jurassic age had VERY high levels of C02)

>>16549432
And that stupid bitch is talking about making a comeback, holy shit will she ever learn?

>>16545985
>GDP on the military
America should stop being the world's policeman. It sure is expensive.

>a huge prison population.
Much of that is due to minorities such as blacks and mexicans. It's true other problems endemic to america add to the prison population, but america not only has a lot of problem causes, but problem causers from other countries also emigrate to america or enter thru the porous borders.

>>16549510
He already said the beacon on a hill was no longer feasible

It's strictly for defense purposes

I just pray Sessions is not allowed to be the AG

>>16546177
>Boeing?
Much of Boeing's foreign plane sales are made contingent on Boeing buying materials, services, and assemblies from the foreign countries. China already makes much of Boeing's parts. Boeing even helped advise and build airplane parts factories in China.

As a result, low priced pirate airline parts made it into the world airline parts distribution system. Eventually, enough of the official parts makers went out of business or were purchased by the chinese pirate parts makers (seeking the official cachet or patents) that Boeing finally had to officially recognize many of the pirates as official suppliers. There were no tariffs or TPP to protect against that kind of piracy.

>>16549477
Hillary's talk about continuing is only to keep donors continuing to donate to the Clinton Foundation in hopes that when she wins, she will do what they want. Since the Clintons have a history of doing what donors want, it's very persuasive to give money to the Clinton Foundation.

>>16544503
>Righties think Trump won't sell the country to wall street executives or Russians

>>16549800
>wall street execs
Better than the foriegn governements the Clintons and Obama were selling it to.
>Russians
Trump wanting peaceful relations with Russia does not make him a Russian puppet. Hillary is a proven and admitted liar, stop believing the baseless accusations she makes.

>>16549839
>Hillary is a proven and admitted liar

and Trump isn't?

hahahahahahahahahahah

>Trump wanting peaceful relations with Russia does not make him a Russian puppet

No, it doesn't, doesn't mean there's a 90% chance he is a puppet who is about to lift Russian sanctions in exchange for some of Russia's oil monies and/or loans, or who knows what, because he's such an honest and transparent president, we don't need to see his tax releases

peaceful /=/ being Russia's little bitch

>>16550034
>he bumped an old thread
>on a slow board

>the thread is off topic

you fucking retard i bet you voted trump

>>16550034
Trump lying about grabbing pussy in a locker room conversion he thought was private decades ago doesn't bother me.

Hillary rigging the primaries bothers me.
Hillary setting up unsecured servers in the hopes that her emails won't be monitored bothers me.
Hillary paying people to delete the emails to destroy evidence after the court ordered copies of them bothers me.
Hillary having people that expose her corruption killed bothers me.
Hillary assuming she can walk all over Russia and they'll never do anything bothers me.
Hillary claiming Russia interfered with the election by exposing that she interfered with the election bothers me.
Hillary taking donations from any and every foriegn government or group in exchange for favors and power bothers me.

There are a LOT of things Trump would be doing very differently if he were only after money. Many of the policies he's supporting are directly counterproductive to profit as the owner of large businesses.

>>16545496
Because they've made cars like shit, my fiesta's panel gap is retarded and although I won't say Americans will do it better but I'd rather give them the jobs

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>>16550034

Trump is so honest he'd promise he'd help the common man by hiring billionaire buttbuddies and top donors into his cabinet. Trump is so honest he got sued two days into inauguration for corruption allegations. He is so honest one of his cabinet picks got fucked over by plagiarism allegations. He is so honest another of his cabinet members is under investigation for ties with Russia. He is totally honest, guys. He totally will go against the super rich, because that's what a New York billionaire does. Care for the common man.

>>16550320
Theres no such thing as an honest politician
What point are you autists trying to make by flinging shit at each other

>>16550320
>got sued for
>is under investigation for
>allegations

None of this means anything. Hillary isn't under investigation for murder but we all know she's responsible. Hillary isn't being charged with tampering with elections but it's been proven she did. Hillary isn't under investigation for intentionally destroying evidence but it's been proven she did.

What is the point you are trying to make?

>>16546023
It's pretty universally agreed that Australia has more personal freedoms than america so idk where you're getting all this PC bullshit. Admittedly we are on an auto board so it's kind of hard to ignore how much better our vehicle laws are here, but other than that it's pretty one sided.

>>16549510
>Maybe America should stop being the world's schoolyard bully
Just because you think you're making the world a better place doesn't mean anyone else who inhabits it agrees.

>>16549839
Not only is this no longer about hillary, but the idea that hillary is in any way more corrupt that trump is laughable and more importantly the entire fucking election was "This guy isn't as corrupt as this guy" is that really a good reason to vote somebody into the fucking presidency? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you people?

>>16550388
So it's not true unless it's happening to people I don't like. Got it.

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>>16544140
can we get some OC of trump telling toyotas and nissans they have to go back to mexico?

>>16550366
Then why do Trump supporters keep crying about dishonest Hillary? As bad as she was she wouldn't be coming off the gate as incompetent and hypocritical. But whatever. Enjoy Nixon 2.0.

>>16550413
>but the idea that hillary is in any way more corrupt that trump is laughable
All evidence points to Hillary being far more corrupt.

>is that really a good reason to vote somebody into the fucking presidency?
No, but it is a good reason to vote for one candidate over another. Those are your choices and you're stuck with one of them no matter what you think of them. Not voting doesn't mean that neither of them wins.

>>16550419
>proven and admitted wrongdoings
>assumptions and allegations

It's true when it's proven, not when it's accused. I can allege right now that you area poor attempt at AI rather than a person. But unless it's proven, that allegation doesn't mean anything.

>>16550440
Bevause they are stupid
Just like the Clinton supporters who think she's a saint and trump is the devil

Everyone is retarded!!!!!

>>16550473
>All evidence points to Hillary being far more corrupt.

wrong

>>16544140
My mexican ford will be more expensive under trump. but on the bright side more people will be employed in my area.

>>16550534
Got any evidence to back that up champ? Pretty sure the leaked emails prove the fix was in in the primaries, and that's not even counting the media collision

>>16550557
>MUH DELETED EMAILS
>MUH BANGAZI

Pam Bondi. His scam university. Ties to Russia (inb4 muh buzzfeed, the actual source was a highly respected source), his ties with the Mafia, his Exxon + Goldman Sachs cabinet, everybody around him being a shady sack of shit, his constant lying and denying of reality (muh "alternative facts")

>muh allegations

so are Hillary's

>>16550534
Did you read any of the leaked emails? That's some serious evil villain level corruption.

And it's not just allegations, it's proven true.
Not to mention the proven corruption that was exposed during the investigation and the proven corruption and incompetence that led to the investigation in the first place.

>>16550588

also, his refusal to release his taxes

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>>16550588
>respected source
LaRouche is not a respected source, your boy got Tucked and that report from NINETEEN FUCKING EIGHTY SEVEN was complete horseshit

Keep crying

>>16550588
>the actual source was a highly respected source
The source CLAIMED to be a respected source by the source, and remained anonymous. There were numerous proven errors and absolutely nothing could be confirmed that backed it up. That's why none of the other news outlets reported on it even though they all had it.

>so are Hillary's
No, those are proven. When Hillary accused Russia of hacking into the emails she deleted in an attempt to destroy evidence rather than denying their validity, she admitted that they are legitimate and that all of the corruption exposed in them is true.

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>>16550642
>The source CLAIMED to be a respected source by the source, and remained anonymous.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/12/509493584/ex-spy-who-reportedly-assembled-trump-dossier-appears-to-be-in-hiding

>>16550620
>ignores the rest of the issues
>"h-hur dur we won l-libtard"

keep frogposting while you can, trumptard. Your internet is about to be crippled

>>16550697
Ajit Pai will be replaced in due time, the dems, however, won't be back in power for a while

How does that cum taste?

>>16550708
>Ajit Pai will be replaced in due time

after he's done butchering the internet

>How does that cum taste?

better than the golden trickling that will never happen to you, stupid trumptard

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/22/how-trumps-proposals-may-affect-every-income-tax-bracket.html

tax cuts for the 1%, tax hikes for the poor.....but hey, at least u got to post frogs and drank libtard teas amirite, and keep waiting for that trickle

>>16546682
You can choose to buy a safe car if you so choose, thats not what laws do. Laws prevent people from having cars themselves that they acknowledge are unsafe and are perfectly okay with it.

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>>16546317
>getting so btfo by your own "fake news" narrative that you have to invent a new buzzword

History is subjective faggot

>>16550769
This is a relevant post, I see your argument, highly detailed sources with no bias. Thank you, I am corrected now.

Finished reading the thread, looks like the leftists ITT got thoroughly BTFO