Why were pickups never really popular in Europe?

>>16536069
small roads and no manly men

/thread

>>16536069
Because you will get you shit stolen.

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>>16536069
We never had a use for them.

Vans are more practical.

>>16536069

too much rain in england at least, youd forever be lashing tarpaulins on. so much easier to get a van

Europe is full of thieves. Nothing stored in the bed would be safe.

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>>16536069
They are, they're designed with other priorities besides picking up butch men.

>>16536102

Ayo, you sayin das only da case in Yurop?

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unimog is best mog

>>16536069
Small roads, high fuel prices, and the widespread use of vans.

Here in the Netherlands, they're getting a bit of a resurgence due to a tax loop that allows you to get a Ram 1500 for the price of a 320d, with similiar costs per km.

>>16536076
>>16536102
>>16536096
Lockable bed covers exist.

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>>16536120
>Manual starter

Cuz it's not the right tool for the job, and $$$. I like having a pickup for my hvac stuff over a can, but they have pros and cons. Can over engine designs are compact, but unsafe

>>16536126
it's actually a salt weapon

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>>16536126
That's a front mounted power take off (PTO). Can be used for winches and various agricultural appliances.

Van*

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That van looks suspicious...

...I wonder what might be in there...

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>>16536154


..oh

>>16536161
sleep tite mazda

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>>16536168

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They've been selling really well for the past few years now(Hilux, Amarok, D-Max)

As for why we have a much smaller percentage of trucks than the US; vans built on car-chassis with smaller engines are more economical. They can also be smaller and better to drive on the smaller roads we typically have here

They exist, but vans have historically been much more widespread, and local hauling of large & heavy stuff is usually done by tractor

>>16536168
rest in pieces bmw

>>16536069
builders all use vans, normal people drive cars. the only people trucks are popular with are farmers who all use defenders or japanese pickups

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>>16536069
The only pick up I want.

>>16536069
Europe didn't have motorcompanies that made trucks, so they didn't get bombarded with the idea that trucks are manly (which really stuck with inbreds and retards in America). Vans are greatly superior for work too.

>>16536069
Why did pickups became popular in murica? It's like microwaves that also try to be ovens and fail at both.

>>16536069
Because we don't know why they got really popular in America

Euros can't afford any vehicle that isn't a 1L diesel hatchback, nor can they afford things that you would need a pickup to transport.

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>>16536126

>>16536279
>yaayy
>let's get some shit done today.

>>16536285
>superior for work

If I'm a gypsy in Europe and I'm collecting scrap metal to feed my 14 children why would I want a van instead of a pickup truck?

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>>16536126

Here's your (You), you really earned it

>>16536305
Because loading and unloading dirt, gravel, horse manure, etc into a van is difficult to do and even harder to clean

And loading oversized cargo into a van is an even bigger PITA that can quickly cross into "impossible, get a trailer" territory where with a truck you would just need a lot of fucking rope

Since Americans own so much fucking land and large houses, all of the above is fairly common once-thrice yearly activity. Since there's no real disadvantage to owning a truck where the roads are straight, the gas is cheap, and the speed limits are low, why the fuck wouldn't you?

>>16536320
A van of course so you can hide kidnapped children in the back. Moot point anyway because gyppos don't buy, they only steal.

Point is, only real reason trucks are popular in the US instead of vans is that motor companies made trucks and wanted them to sell.

>>16536285
Basically this, campanies create needs and tries to justifies them, in this case being manly.

You can't be over 70iq if you think a car makes you manly/feminine.

>>16536069
Europeans have ACTUAL trucks and utes... not penis compensation mobiles

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>>16536346
Smol trucks exist in the US of A

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>>16536331
So you're saying a guy who lives and works in the city is totally justified for buying a full size pick-up and literally never uses it for any of the "truck" things you just mentioned?

>>16536195
>zero squat over rear axle
That's actually quite impressive.

>>16536199
I suspect ops inquiring as to why the lack of full size trucks in yurop, not baby fart quarter tons.

STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE YOU DUMB AMERICANS

>>16536359
>Live in the "city" (american version)
>every other person has a double lot
>a single lot is half an acre
>what the fuck is a garden?

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>>16536380
I know a lot of people that live and work in suburbia and they own 1/4 ton pick ups and they've literally never used the bed for any of the aforementioned "truck purposes"

"I don't wanna scratch the bed, etc etc"

They're manlier than buying a mini-van.

>>16536365
Because if you need a full size truck, then a van is a lot more efficient. There isn't really a reason to own such a truck except penis compensation.

>b-but what about that one time every 5 years when you need *something that's a little easier on a truck*
Then for that one time, just tow shit. No point buying something that will work worse 99.99% of the time because it might work a bit better that one 0.01% of cases.

Biggest issue is how fucking ugly they are, they're the Walmart clothing of vehicles.

Seriously how do you even drive around in one in public? What if people see you?

>>16536404
except that's wrong. A truck can seat more people and carry a loads like soil and crushed stone. not to mention long lumber and tall item such as appliances. Easier access and better for securing loads as well. vans suck.

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>>16536435
How often do you buy a new stove or long lumber? If you're a regular dildo you'd just a "regular" vehicle. If you work in construction then you'd have a work-type vehicle.

To justify say having a pick-up is the best for every situation is just obtuse.

pic related, you.

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europe does have full size trucks. american's just can't into small cabovers.

I see some here where I live, but not a whole lot. I think it makes sense though, since most people don't actually have use for one. I personally too can't see why anyone would want to buy one unless they actually need it, but I can see the reason for having one if you need the carrying capacity, towing ability or offroad capability.

On a side note, I've seen a few pickups around here that were so massive it was absolutely ridiculous. I guess those owning them just want to show off.

>>16536069
Rational thinking

>>16536463
often enough to justify using the right vehicle for most jobs; a truck.

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>>16536435
>more people
Crewcab van
>carry a loads like soil
Drop side van or a medium duty truck

>>16536526
shit interior, too hard to park.
truck>van

>>16536633
Except that a pickup would have a longer hood and a more set forward front axle and therefore be even harder to manouver and park, all while offering less cargo space. And people don't buy work vehicles for the interior, you dumb fucking prick.

>>16536648
except and crewcab van with a drop side bed is a truck.
just a bigger truck with a shitty interior that can't double as a family vehicle on the weekends.
vans are for the gays

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>>16536365
I don't know what you mean by "full size" truck, and if it's like the full size women you see over in your country, but we have these things instead, and they do the job fine.

>>16536663
Europeans don't have this strange lifestyle where they can have several vehicles like Americans can, yet still decide the vehicle they use to move gravel around for their office job needs to work as a sports car and a luxury car at the same time.

>>16536666
Nice quads. half ton and up is considered full size.
The truck you posted has many less uses than a traditional american full size.

>>16536681
Not the Americans' fault they have better lives.

American country men have one vehicle to:
>Pull trailers
>Haul hay, wood, equipment etc.
>Take the kids to school
>Drive to work

You can't load a van like you can a truck bed. You lose eurocucks. It's over.

>>16536681
>american trucks can double as a gravel mover while being nice enough for an executive job
glad you finally get it.

>>16536690
>The truck you posted has many less uses than a traditional american full size.
>Translation: I can't pick up cute traps with it, or give my wife a lift to her boyfriend's house
Let's be honest, this is the true American lifestyle, not the truck based heroism in the adverts.

>>16536633
>interior
>in a utility vehicle

Fag

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Too much rain and truck driving is just not connected to manliness.

>>16536730
traps are pretty heroic

>>16536744
>not wanting your utility vehicle to be comfy
If you can have both, why would you not?

>>16536690
>The truck you posted has many less uses than a traditional american full size

What are you smoking?

>>16536751
>he doesn't get messy at work
you don't need a truck then

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>>16536663
Pickup trucks that are actually used for work usually aren't used for family life because they're constantly full of tools and stuff.

And pickup trucks that are bought as family vehicles usually aren't used for work, only for sissy tasks like hauling the garden trimmings a couple times a year.

You won't see anyone hauling their kids around in one of these.

>>16536690
Half ton? In the bed, yes? Those trucks are capable of hauling 1000-1300 kg in the bed before they hit the legal weight limit.
Without the legislations they could do more - probably 2000kg safely.

>>16536763
Lots of guys that use the same truck for work as they do on the weekend. You should get out more.

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>>16536763
Oh shit - an American who isn't acting like a retard, what the fuck's happening.

Instead of 5 mexicans gardeners who will gladly work for 40 dollars a day each if you don't sell them out to trump, in a toyota/nissan pickup with all their equipment..

you get two polish chavs in a van

>>16536690
are you fuckin' stupid? those mini duallys are rated to tow 10k+ lbs.

base model 1/2 ton cabovers have a much higher GVWR than base model american 1/2 ton pick ups.

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>>16536821
>that pic

i want it.

>>16536069
Higher qualifications, job prospects and less low income laborers?

>>16536854
I want to know why he has plant pots on the roof rack

>>16536690
Its a better work vehicle in every single aspect
Sorry you ameripoors can't afford more than one vehicle and have to settle for a jack of all trades master of none small penis pos

>>16536833
cool. too bad they can't double an office truck or pick the kids up at soccer practice in relative comfort and style.
>uses

>>16536854
for what?
to have the cage full of dancing strippers?

>>16536856
in my area people are either:
air force

or

IT/Software development

and yet they all have trucks, and watch football, and play golf wether they like it or not. It's the US.

>>16536800

Are you actually retarded?

>>16536862
>moving goal posts from muh lumber and crushed stone and Other "truck" uses to literal mall crawling faggotry
LMAOO

>>16536862
>office truck
nice shitpost

>pick the kids up at soccer practice in relative comfort and style.
a fucking twingo has more comfort and style than a truck, you retard

>>16536862
>>16536862
>in relative comfort and style.

nice weasel words.

crew cab versions exist as shown here >>16536821

>>16536862
>too bad they can't double an office truck or pick the kids up at soccer practice in relative comfort and style
>or pick the kids up at soccer practice

Holy shit, you ARE a cuck

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>>16536821
I'm actually German.

>>16536800
What kinda work requires a pickup truck but leaves it tidy enough to use as a family vehicle? Or are we talking about bullshit work like "I need a high riding 4x4 because I go on an unpaved road once a week" here?

>>16536872
>american truck can move literal goal posts and pick the kids up in style

:^)

>>16536872
>driving 50+ miles in a ford transit van
>hauling anything actually heavy in a ford transit van
>owning a transit van

>>16536887
>Poorfag americuck NEEDS one vehicle to transport his cuck shed and pick up his wife's kids from you basketball practice
L
M
A
O

Poorfag cuckold

>>16536884
>firewood and animal feed in the bed
>children in the back of the cab
>cousin in the passenger seat

>>16536889
>he doesn't move his house and car in his transit van like >>16536195
I can smell the estrogen from here

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>>16536858
These are actually a set of folding warning lights for construction vehicles employed on highways. Sorry for being unable to find a bigger resolution.

>>16536889
Electricians don't like leaving their expensive equipment in the open for blacks representing over ten percent of American population to come along and steal stuff =//

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>>16536900
Buncha firewood and a couple bags of dog food, big fucking deal.

>>16536884
most tradesman double their work vehicle and their daily.
I feel like I'm explaining a normal thing to people who live in the basement who've never seen the light of day. Turn on a tv or something guys. life is happening out there!

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>>16536365
Ah, thats actually way easier to answer

I'll quote myself from the past;
Different culture, different history, different people. In short; completely different market

America has, for the most of modern history, been a lot richer and had a stronger economy than the rest of the world. This has allowed them to enjoy luxuries that the rest of the world couldn't. This is the reason why automatics are so much more popular in the US as they used to be much more complicated and expensive, which was not optimal for us europeans. When the T-Ford had been out for a few years and "everyone" in the US had one people were still relying mainly on horses, the odd bicycle, skis and similar tools of transport here in my country of Norway.

As for the history of where we live; Europe has a lot more old cities, which were designed and built without cars and other vehicles in mind, and therefore the streets tend to be a lot narrower, with tighter turns, less parking space and such, meaning that larger vehicles can be a pain in the ass to live with. The US has done a much greater part of its expansion together with the automobile, and built its cities, villages and streets with it in mind.

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Another point I'd like to mention is World War 2. After the war Europe was pretty much broken, with a completely fucked economy and a whole continent to rebuild, while the US was left with its infrastructure untouched and having lost a much smaller percentage of its people. The US could enjoy prosperous times of trade with Europe as it was rebuilding (yes, the US did a lot of good things to aid us in rebuilding, not gonna deny that), while the average European would be dirt poor for many years to come. This would mean that any car they would buy would have to be fuel efficient, small in size and cheap to purchase. This is the reason why you often think of cars like the original Volkswagen Beetle, Citröen 2CV and later on the VW Golf as very much "iconic" european cars.

End of quote

As for more modern times; fees, license restrictions and taxes make them for the most part too expensive for the common folk.

Simply put; these pickups are just too big and too fuel inefficient to be attractive for a normal person who wont use it for work. Contributing to this is the fact that a full-size pickup that is registered as a B-vehicle (standard car) is limited to a highest amount of 3500kg total weight + a highest amount of 3500kg towed. Most full-size trucks will allow you to reach these when registered as a B-class, but you're basically locking away so much of the vehicles potential behind a simple registration. If it was registered as a light truck, or C1, you'd be able to fully utilize its entire load capacity and towing capacity

An example; guy I know drives the F350 in the picture - his truck has a legal payload of 405kg, or 900 lb. Meanwhile, my much smaller, weaker Toyota that is registered as the same type of vehicle has a legal payload of 695kg, or 1530lb.

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>>16536863
I drove pic related when i was stationed in Japan and i fucking loved it as a work truck. especially because i was also the one that had to maintain it.

>>16536918
Actual tradesman here not a nocar basement dwelling trip fag like you

I have a work vehicle and my weekender and my project and my bikes
Sorry not sorry you're a poorfag cuckold =//

>>16536918
As I said, nobody can be fucked to clear their work of all their junk and tools every friday night to then put it all back in on sunday night. Everyone doing serious work with a truck will have a seperate family vehicle. The only cunts doubling their leather "work" trucks as family vehicles are the company bosses who only sit in the construction site office all day counting money. They're not using their trucks for work.

>>16536069
>small roads
>high speeds
>expesive fuel
>stuff on bed gets wet
>stuff on bed gets stolen

We use light cargo vehicles like the Mercedes Sprinter.

>>16536921
>yurofags are road cucks
Yea this is tho point I was getting at. eloquent delivery my man.

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>>16536918
>Turn on a tv or something guys. life is happening out there!
>he thinks the f150 ads he watches are representative of real life
o i am laffin

>>16536943
>>yurofags are road cucks
And this is exactly why they should be removed from this board. We don't need them shitting up /o/ with their cuckoldry.

>>16536918
>most tradesman double their work vehicle and their daily.
yeah, you know who does that?

beaners doing drywall out of the back of a beat up D21.

>the ONLY argument amerifag has is "I n-need to pick up my wives kids from sports practice in comfort!"
Top fucking kek

>>16536954
>wanting a safespace

>>16536962
>defending cuckoldry
BUILD WALL

>>16536962
The nocar Americans don't like being made fun of

>>16536471
Those are all over the place. You never see someone use one as a dd but companies use them to deliver furniture and appliances and shit

>>16536968
>pppls stop bullying me!
>Mr trump pls help me!
Lmao kid so funny

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>mfw no one can prove me wrong, merely spout conjecture, ad homs and false equivalencies.

Step it up faglets

>>16536982
>nobody can prove me wrong
>multiple posts proving you wrong

>>16536982
>so btfo he stops directly replying to people

Quick dude, basketball practice is over and yoir wife wants some time with Tyrone
Better go hop in your only vehicle and pick up those niglets

>>16536069
Name one thing pic related isn´t doing better than a pickup.

>>16536978
the 2.5 to 3.5 ton models are what you see in america. the 1.5 to 1/2 ton models are virtually non existent. don't even try to get a crew cab.

>>16536959
This is correct. Everyone who actually uses their trucc for real trucc things has a proper car for proper car things too.

>>16536125
>Here in the Netherlands, they're getting a bit of a resurgence due to a tax loop that allows you to get a Ram 1500 for the price of a 320d, with similiar costs per km.
AH SO THATS WHY.

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>>16536993
forgot pic

>>16537002
Yeah, you register them as "work vehicles" and you get a huge fucking tax break.

ITT: poorfag americucks who can only afford to own a single beat to shit 80s pickup get BTFO as usual

>>16536865
sounds disgusting. but i would join the air force if i was american.

>>16536982
What's the countdown for you driving yourself off a cliff?

>>16537017
the 80's to 90's pick ups in the US are starting to develop cases of " I KNOW WHAT I GOT"

shitbox jap trucks still go from 5-10k$.

>>16536982
Kill yourself you poorfag cuck

>>16536069
Gas is far more expensive I'm Europe
They pay much higher taxes, registration, and insurance for higher displacement engines
Tiny roads
The queen would be mad
Other men would think they arn't womanly enough
Their wife's son wouldnt be able to fit in the back

>>16537037
>their wife son wouldn't be able to fit in the back
Americuck please, according to the know it all trip fag itt that's the only reason Americans drive pickups. To transport little Tyrone to basketball practice and youth justice hearings

>>16536161
Why don't euros just buy a flat bead trailer or car dollie?

>>16537056
>implying yurocucks can afford nice things

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>>16537056
Car dollies are illegal. Normal Europeans will in fact buy car trailers; it's just crazy, poor Romanians that try to haul as many different things as possible with their rotten old vans.

>>16537056
Flat bead trailers are common here in europe, car dollies are illigal as far as I know.
Things like in the picture are verry unusual, and tis was also done by eastern europeans....

>>16537010
I always thought the big vehicles got taxed to death. Interesting to know, thanks.

>>16536463
Just this last month.
>2x4s
>plywood
>sheet rock
>wood heater

I regularly haul things that wouldn't fit in anything else.

But europoors wouldn't know what t is like to have some fun working with your hands.

>>16536666
Please, the average bong woman is far uglier and just as fat as murcanwomen.

>>16537104
Since we aren´t cucked with speed limits, we care more about topspeed and handling.
Therefore we buy cars with trailors instead of trucks.

>>16536195
>>16536178
>>16536168
>>16536161
>>16536154
>Were you ever such a madman that you'd drive a car into another car sideways and literally get away with it?

>>16537104
Excuse us for not stealing 3.8 million square miles of wilderness from natives. We're not going to magically gain space in Europe.

>>16536681
More like Americans don't pay out the ass for taxes and tribute to please the royalty so we can afford to buy luxury in our work vehicles.

>>16537125
It wasnt stolen. It was bought fairly or won through war.

>>16537129
This. we still have the receipt.

>>16537129
So if I go up to your front door and shoot you, your house is then mine?

>>16536884
In America lots of people own lots of land, which means traveling off road or on hardly there trails.

>>16537127
Instead of paying taxes you preferred to let your infrastructure fall into disrepair over the last couple of decades. It is literally impossible to maintain your road network with the funding it currently receives, and the more you design it around the car the more you're going to need of it and the more expensive it's going to get.

http://www.dallasmobility.org/Newsroom/TH%205-9-14%20Foxx%20Impossible%20to%20maintain%20roads%20without%20highway%20bill.pdf

>>16536471
cute CUTE !

>>16537149
Can I safely assume that people parking pickup trucks in front of their quarter acre properties in the burbs don't own lots of land with hardly there trails?

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>>16536069
We just don't need them. Or, in fact, the people who need it (like farmers and such), have them, you just don't see them as regularly.

>>16537129
>topkeks.jpg
Back then you were europens, but started inbreeding, and look at you omfg

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Enough of the bullshit talk, post European trucks.

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>>16537156
Many of those people also own one of these, which they use for hunting and fishing seasons.

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>>16537176
Here you go

>>16537177
Wow, America invented floodsafe trailer parks. Is this the part where I applaud?

>>16537137
Historicly speaking, yes.

>>16537187
That's a cabin, you fool.

It's literally in the middle of nowhere because it's used for shit like hunting and fishing.

>>16537156
Most people where I live own cabins/lake houses/weekend ranches that they visit ocasinally. They just live in the city since it is closer to their job.

>>16537197
And why is it on stilts? So you can hunt without leaving the living room, you lazy sacks of shit? Are these the kind of people who also tow most of a house behind them when they go "camping"?

>>16536862
>have to ride around on a mule because you can't afford a horse

>>16537207
>And why is it on stilts?
Because it's in a floodzone.

The point is that it's not a trailer park, it's in the fucking woods.

>>16537207
kekked

>>16536921
Aren't you afraid of that crusty rusty pos breaking in half on the road?

>>16536125
I was wondering why i keep seeing more and more rams lately

>>16537116
Like I said, they do the job fine

>>16537247
It's not a Ford Raptor.

>>16537184
>>16537176
>won't dare post a pre-T6 international Ranger
Cuck

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>>16537256
What did he mean by this?
>inb4 'the spirit of the wild bronco'

>>16537127
Brits spend something trivial like £1 per person per year for the royal family, if they're poor it's not because of that.

>>16537233
Trailer parks were woods once too

>>16537286
Just admit you were wrong

>>16537291
I'm a different anon though...

>>16537295
So am I

What have I done

>>16537298
jej

>>16537286
Trailer parks also have things like electricity, municipal water, cable television, and more than one trailer.

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THey are used, but they're only like pic related. The only people who use them are farmers, railway engineers, power, water and gas engineers and some builders. Basically people who need to go somewhere where there aren't any roads, paved or unpaved

Everyone else uses vans or
>>16536471
>>16536526
>>16536666
>>16536821

>>16536125
>Lockable bed covers exist.
But then you get rid of a load of vertical space
you might as well just get a van at that point

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>>16537003
be able to fit in here

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>>16536918
Your company must be really shit if you have to use your work vehicle for personal use.
You lease a work vehicle on the company and have a personal car on the side.

>>16536751
My work vehicle is comfy, with the air suspension in the seat. But the rest is basic and easy to clean. I sometimes sit in it, black from the dirt with 10kg of clay on my boots, wouldn't want a fancy interior.

>>16537463
At my company we have a some people riding this, a 4x4 van, because they have no roads sometimes.

>>16537474
I rarely see 4x4 vans here in the UK
It's either 2x4 vans or pickups

>>16537473
>impying a ofroad pickup would fit

>>16537474
if you're self employed your work vehicle is your personal vehicle
Someone on my road was getting a load of work done on their house. Of the 5 vans parked outside, 3 had child seats in the front

>>16537495
>>I rarely see 4x4 vans here in the UK
Fun thing, it's the UK were they have the 4x4 vans.

>>16537504
That's just stupid, you put the van on the company, it's cheaper that way. Personal use is only cost more.

>>16536069
Tell me why I would want one
Pointless cars unless you need the bed for work

>>16537515
maybe it's just my neck of the woods then

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>>16537247
The frame and underside are pretty good - never been on salted roads. Its just rusty because its been crashed, scraped and beaten for 22 years

What I'm afraid of are the tires... old BFG AT's on mountain roads during winter ain't exactly the best you'll get

I think a big difference is how trucks have simply become much more common vehicles in the US, and designed with a focus on being comfortable while also work-capable - that is a reason why any american who'd get into a Isuzu D-Max or a Toyota HiLux would look at the interior and go "THIS SHIT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS MADE IN THE 1990'S"

Trucks that are sold new here in our market are not marketed towards families or "civilians", but genuinely as work vehicles. Sure, some buy them as private vehicles and probably never takes them off the pavement, but I would be willing to bet that its a much smaller percentage than in the US.

I know plenty of guys with pickups around my parts, mostly Hiluxes, a few L200's, a few Navara/King Cabs and some assorted old american beater trucks, and every single one uses the truck for its potential; driving on shit roads, deep snow, good amounts of towing and so on. Some also do complete offroad conversions and go to meets & offroad-events

>>16537104
So nothing?

>>16537474
The Land Rover Defender should have become more like a 4x4 van, it's a shame they're gonna cuck it

>>16537274
They are still cucks for giving one cent

>>16536069
>>16536076
>>16536085
>>16536102
Gypos
>>16536320
Other gypos
>>16536125
They suck though.
>>16536921
>>16536927
Best posts in thread.

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>>16536995

We have the baby ones in North America. Nobody wants or buys them because 150hp pulling around 9000lbs is a bad idea.

>>16536111
You'd think that would be the case but in the US, nobody keeps something expensive in the back of their truck without tying it down to keep it from moving around. Shit doesn't get stolen from the back of trucks but you're probably going to get it broken in to since people don't keep their fancy electronics in the bed.

>>16537118
>we care more about topspeed and handling.

You have 9 million speed cameras and drive 50hp cars. Seems like you have bigger things to worry about.

>>16536125
>Lockable bed covers exist.

What's the point, you then have a van with a very short load bay.

>>16539678
>150hp pulling around 9000lbs is a bad idea
Not really they do the job just fine even with a couple of metric t on the back more than they are rated for.

>>16537474
Not using your free works vehicle as much as possible. Your company must be shit if you have to lease the vehicle from them rather than having it provided as part of the job.

>>16541123
Well, they're easy to remove when you dont need them.

I'd also point out that a pickup generally takes a lot more weight

>>16536072
ausfag who went there

dis

>>16541232
The F150 is rated at 3300lb, the Sprinter 5400lb

>>16541261
Really?
Here the Sprinter can take about 80kg/200 pounds less than an F150, while an Isuzu D-Max can take about 60kg more than the F150

>>16541123
As the other guy said, they're still easy to remove. But unlike the van, you still have access to the bed from the outside without having to climb in to retrieve something.

>>16537247
>Hilux
>breaking
Pick one.

>>16537550
>Trucks that are sold new here in our market are not marketed towards families or "civilians", but genuinely as work vehicles

this, i mean sure they may only have 150-250hp, but you can sure one will use more 75% of power 90% of the time


>>16541134
>Not using your free works vehicle as much as possible. Your company must be shit if you have to lease the vehicle from them rather than having it provided as part of the job.

his company alows for severe "tool" degradation during non work related usage, thus shfting maintenance costs onto customers.

no wonder that services in US are so fucking expensive

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>>16537072
>>16537076
Car dollies are not illegal in europe. We are using them regulary for towing cars. It's no problem if the towed car has working lights and is marked properly as trailer with triangular retroreflectors

>>16536471
What are these like in terms of crash safety?

>>16544829

You better hope you hit something small and light. Your legs are effectively the crumple zone.

>>16544829
Fuckterrible.

>>16537010
That's how we've been doing it in America for years (granted, it's insurance related usually, and they're limited to certain distances and stuff)

Can't get rid of trucks because of muh farmers

>>16537031
Where I am the jao trucks are starting to too, fuckin millennials

>>16544829
the 250's are good. you want a bull bar for the 150's.

>>16541330
are you stupid? tell me how stupid you are.

Trucks in the USA were sold as luxury vehicles in order to avoid taxes that came with luxury cars.

>>16541134
My company leases it, I use it for free.
But it's not allowed to use it private, which is reasonable.

>>16536120
a-are there blade attachments for the front PTO?

that shit seems a bit dangerous. having that shit spinning up front. might as well weld swords to it to cut down muh refugees

The new top gear discussed this. It's because the rapefugees would steal something off the back of a pickup and the farmers and workers don't have guns to protect their goods

>>16536921
>>16536927
This.
mightyBenz is the best trip on this board

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>>16536331
>Because loading and unloading dirt, gravel, horse manure, etc into a van is difficult to do and even harder to clean
Commercial trucks are much more economical than US pickup trucks. Also, a lot more cargo space and better fuel efficiency. If you spot a V8 pickup truck in Europe, it's 99% certain the driver is a huge douchebag as he's compensating. Those few farmers that can make use of a 4wd pickup will get something smaller along the lines of a hilux.

Pic related, this is what a european work truck looks like. It's purely meant for work and is sized according to needs, not according to lack of penis size.

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Technically most land rover defenders are pickups.

>>16543361
Congratulations on living in slavland, but they're illegal here.

>>16536900
Sounds like an average US white trash family, mom, dad and kids all in the same car.

>>16536471

Funny thing is. That this has the same payload capacity of an f-350.

Add a little bit extra vehicle and get an Isuzu Forward then you have the same capacity of an f-550

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>>16548795
Cabover trucks a best.

>>16537104
Sounds like it'd fit in a wagon. We regularly haul bulky shit in our A6.

>>16537104
A mid-sized wagon can handle that.

>>16548795
And they have god tier maneuverability

>>16536069
to intelligent too buy a pickup ill use once in a year when i can just use a trailer

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>>16548917
inb4 Americans interjecting that they in particular aren't allowed to tow anything significant with a car

>>16539691
these 50hp cars are allowed to go faster than your 400hp v8s :^)

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>>16536069
You have to think about Europe from an architectural standpoint. Many of the cities are old, sometimes even Ancient (i.e. Paris, Rome, etc). The roads were built for walking and carriages mainly and they're extremely small. America, Canada, South Africa, and Australia on the other hand have the benefit of being basically brand new civilizations and having city planning. America and Canada have pretty amazing grid systems in place with their cities and towns. The cities are built around the roads as well, whereas in a lot of European cities the roads are placed where they can without destroying landmarks or buildings that have been around for hundreds of years. Gas/petrol prices are also a significant factor in the popularity of pickups in the Americas and Ausland.

Source: Amerifat who works internationally.

>>16536144
You can use a PTO as a manual starter, If you're brutal enough

>>16536069
Proper roads, and vans do the same shit but better.

> Haul stuff
A transit van has a higher load capacity.

> Off-road
Pickup trucks don't go offroad. Most are only 2WD.

> MUH CREW CAB
You can fit seats in the back, sliding door for access anyway.
Or just get a minibus, which is a van with seats and windows.

> Freedums
Not a justification for buying a work vehicle.

> Hauling loose shit
Van with a tipper body.

> Towing
Vans have higher tow ratings, due to being proper work vehicles.

> Muh durability
Ever seen an old transit van? Rust all over, still running. That's the advantage of smaller diesels with a turbo; super simple to keep running, and mass production means easy replacement of parts.

>>16536125
>Lockable bed covers exist.
And, yet, vans have locking doors already...

>>16548771
what makes you think that I live in slavland?

>>16549100
Most FWD cars, at least in the US, say in the manual, "Your vehicle is not rated to tow a trailer. Attempting to tow a trailer will void your warranties." or something similar.

>>16549594
US only I would guess.
A Skoda Octavia can haul from 610kg (1.2L petrol) to 2000kg (2.0L TDI manual), depending on the engine, gearbox and if the trailer has brakes, this according to the official Skoda manual.

>>16549628
Only 610kg? Even a shit Skoda Felicia could tow 900 kg braked

>>16549628
>2000 Kilograms
>over 2 tons
>with a 2.0 Liter engine
What the fuck? My truck is only rated for 1 ton towing and I have a 3.9 Liter V6.

There must be some basic assumptions being made, like if the trailer will have brakes or not. Mine doesn't say anything specific, just that it can tow 2000 lbs with the towing package.

>>16549669
It's 1300kg when braked for the 1.2L

>>16549689
2000kg braked, 750kg without.

>>16549711
>750 kg
>aprox 1600 lbs
Still seems like a fuck ton for a 4 cyl sedan.

>>16549737
That's diesel for you.

My work van has that 2.0L TDI, maximum allowed weight is 3500kg, we're probably near it (it's pretty low to the ground). Still can go to 150km/h.

>>16549737
he forgot to mention that it's only for awd version

>>16549751
Diesels tend to be better at towing IIRC. Makes slightly more sense.

>>16549761
That makes a lot more sense. The 4WD version of my truck has a higher tow rating also.

>>16549761
I did not find anything about that, but it might be true. Can't find that version in the configuration, only ones that can haul 1600kg. We don't sell the 4x4 here.

>>16536320
So other gypsies don't steal your scrap metal.

>>16537003
Go 100 mph

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I hope you Euro's (UKfags mostly) realize your tow ratings are so high because you don't have to worry about wind, hills and mountains. A human can tow over 400k lbs on flat ground...

Come try that here and you'll be using one of these ;)

>>16550332
Europe doesn't have any hills.... Lmao Americans are this fucking stupid

>>16550352

The UK sure as fuck doesn't. The better parts of Europe do but you're not allowed to do anything fun in them. Eg. Camping being illegal in Germany. I don't see any toy haulers going up the Stelvio pass.

>>16550370
Yep Europe is just two countries
Germany has no need to transport goods in mountainous areas either... they have mastered teleportation with their superior German engineering

Kill yourself ignorant seppo cunt

>>16550332
this "hill" is literally not even as steep as the 2 main roads leading up to the mountain i live on

(norway)

>>16536358

GOAT truck right there

>only if it's the v6, 5 speed, 4x4

>>16536713
and?

In europe people dont need a truck unless you need it for work. in which case most people get company registered Vans and trucks that they leave at the office. if I need shit towed I can pay some Van company to move it. I dont "Run on down to the Costco and load the truck up with a months worth of food" because I dont live in the middle of buttfuck nowhere. Literally everything in Europe can be Delivered from the store.

>>16536932
>>16536918

I use my jeep liberty as a work vehicle / DD, and I have a project car. We use my wife's vehicle on the weekends when we go out.

>>16550451

It's not supposed to be steep, It's a runaway lane. The mountain passes in North America are steeper and longer than anything in snoreway. Semi trucks are always pulled off to the side overheating with blown rads here. They have a 13l engine, what do you think will happen when you try to tow 15k lbs with a 1.3l?

>>16549689
Is your truck an Auto? because thats probably the issue. a 2.0L TDI with a Manual transmission can tow surprisingly well

>>16550975
Yes. Weird thing is that I'm also seeing different numbers. When I google it, google says 1 ton. However I look at
http://www.trailerlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Trailer-Life-Towing-Guide-1999.pdf
and it says my model can take at least 4,800 lbs. Doesn't help I can't find a fucking owners manual for free.

>>16536069
I think small roads is definitely a factor.
And while I'm no European, I get the feeling that people owning acreage away from home is less common there than in the states, so need is also reduced.
Also, I've got no grounds to back this up, but suburbia seems less common in Europe, so needing a truck to haul a bunch of mulch for your large yard, or sod, or gravel or anything messy doesn't come into play.
Also are recreational vehicles (boats, ATVs dirtbikes, etc) common in europe?

>>16536105
God that's so ugly though..

>>16536404
>>16537118
>>16548917
>>16549100
>>16549388
So now I need a Van and a trailer?

>>16551007
What's your truck?

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>>16551400
>prefers trucks to be cute
okay

>>16551473
99 Dakota. Club cab, V6. RWD only. Autotragic.

>ITT autists who don't know the difference between bed weight and towing capacity.

>>16551507
>implying we are stupid enough to give a shit about either
>implying its not about GVWR

>>16549388
>transit van has a higher load capacity
you can get an International Harvester Workstar with a pickup bed from some dealers, I doubt a transit can handle 60,000lbs of load
>Pickup trucks don't go offroad. Most are only 2WD
wat
>seating
most contractors like crewcabs for staff cars, and for transporting heavy shit that'll fit in a shortbed plus 5 people
>Not a justification for buying a work vehicle.
work is a justification for buying a work vehicle
>tipper body van
cab+frame with a dump bed
>towing
can a van handle a 5th wheel?
>mass production
get something with a smallblock chevy, you can buy the entire engine aftermarket

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>>16551609
>you can get an International Harvester Workstar with a pickup bed from some dealers, I doubt a transit can handle 60,000lbs of load
Then you're in this territory.

>>can a van handle a 5th wheel?
You have vans with a 5th wheel, but then you loose your van part.

>>16552268
>this territory
I didn't know the actros was a van, that seems to be a truck from that image.
>but then you loose your van part.
so a truck?

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>>16552314
If you call something that's consumer sized a truck and a professional hauling vehicle a truck you might think it's all a truck and the same type of vehicle.
Let's call those big ones "semi's".

>so a truck?
A Transit with 5th wheel.

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>>16552365
>If you call something that's consumer sized a truck and a professional hauling vehicle a truck you might think it's all a truck and the same type of vehicle.
one of my inlaws DDs a F-550 Crewcab, you'd be surprised what people call consumer sized.
>transit chassis-cab with a dedicated 5th wheel setup
pickups can have simple bolt-on setups, meaning that you still have a pickup when you aren't hauling a gooseneck

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>>16552365

What's wrong with you people? All your trucks are so depressing looking.

>>16552447
They're meant to be practical, nothing else.

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Would you buy a small pickup, eurofags?
Here in Brazil we have a lot.

>>16553857
well, I wouldn't as I have no use for it, but you see them around sometimes (Hiluxes, Amaroks and such)

Here in Italy you don't have may choices, Pickups have never been popular for whatever reason and everyone uses vans and small trucks to haul shit around.

Most of the options available in the states simply don't exist here, it may be a cultural factor or maybe some laws prevent something like an F350 to exist here while being considered as a light truck and be driven with a car license.

There are a few choices available, I tried to take a look at Fiat and Ford because they are the most popular here.
I tried to keep the things on an even ground and focus on the base models, so they are all manual, single cabs, and with the most similar engines and cargo capacity

Ford Ranger 4x4: 2.2L diesel 160hp, cost 23k€, max cargo load 1,4ton, max towing load 2,5t.

Ford Transit: 2.2L diesel 155hp, cost 26k, max load 1,3t, max tow 3,5t

FIAT Fullback (only comes with crew cab) 4x4: 2.4L diesel 154hp, cost 24k, max load 1t, max tow 1t

FIAT Ducato: 2.3L diesel 150hp, cost 25k, max load 1t, couldn't find max tow.

While they cost more or less the same, vans have much more customization options, most of them are available as FWD or RWD, with singles or duallies, with closed bed, open bed, lift bed or simply with a chassis for custom beds or hardware. Cargo beds for vans are also available in a million different configurations and are highly customisable. Vans also have the option of getting a crew cab just like a pickup.

Pickups on the other hand all have 4WD, which may be an advantage for some, but given the popularity of vans around here (only a few offer 4WD as an option), off road capabilities don't seem to be a priority for most of the working force. Pickups are also generally smaller and offer better visibility.
The drawback is that they are limited in cargo loads, vans have many versions with different cargo capacity up to several tons of max load, while pickups are stuck with what I showed you above.

1/2

>>16554168
2/2

What I wanted to show there is that vans seem to be the superior choice around here.
People are probably not interested in getting a work vehicle that can double as a personal vehicle when needed, because it's a compromise, thus not excelling at any particular task (vans can get more cargo than pickups and cars are more practical and use less fuel) and the 4WD factor is simply irrelevant for most buyers.

Laws may also play a big role in here, for the same reason we have cabovers instead of the big ass semis you have overseas, vans are optimised to get the most out of their cargo bays, often focusing on height rather than lenght and width, which is also an excellent combination considering the tight spaces these vehicles are forced to navigate on a daily basis. The big roads and big cities you have there are the minority here, your big trucks couldn't even turn on some streets here.

Also, vans come with a very high and closed cargo bay as the base standard, pickups come with no covers.
Of course you can buy a cover for a pickup bed too, but the stuff you can cram in there is extremely limited compared to what a van can carry by default.

>Tl;Dr:
People don't give a shit about using their work vehicle as a personal vehicle; car for groceries + van for work is better than pickup for everything; tight spaces and laws don't allow for big American trucks; pickups cost the same as vans, but can generally haul less stuff and have lower maximum limits.

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>>16553857
Nah. The solid divider means you can never expand the cargo space or decrease the passenger space as needed. The wagon is Europe's pickup.

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>>16554218
And if we do haul loose crap regularly we'll just buy a small utility trailer for a grand or so and won't have to needlessly pull a cargo bed around with us every single fucking day of the year.

>all this bullshit from both sides

There are Americans who NEED their trucks, and Americans who don't. America is large and often sparsely populated. If you need to tow/haul something and you live along roads that might not be paved/plowed, the extra suspension height and mountains of other goodies that get thrown in with 4x4s are gonna make a big ol' truck much easier to live with than a wagon. Almost all vehicles will be able to tow something in a pinch, but if you're hauling a large boat/RV/trailer full of trees it makes sense to use a truck with more weight and better brakes. Your Volvo will tow a large trailer, yes, but do that every day and your transmission is gonna have some issues assuming you don't have an aftermarket transmission cooler, and it's for sure not gonna tow as effortlessly as a full-sized truck/SUV.

Most people don't get the full use out of their trucks, but they're comfortable enough to be a nice DD and they hold their value very well.

>>16554291
What are you on about with that Volvo rant? I only said we like wagons in Europe. Didn't say anything about whether or not Americans have a use for their pickups.

>>16554303
I'm just using as an archetypal example of what Europeans tell me I should be driving instead of a truck. I mean no disrespect to Volvo.

>>16554308
Maybe you in particular actually live in the suburbs and should be driving a Volvo.

>>16554317
I don't drive a truck, because I have no need for it and don't want the bad MPGs, but I have many pals who live out the way on their own farms and machine shops who mos def do need a truck.