/ORG/

>>16526914
> Trying to climb a hill in your 2wd S10
Is this about me? In my defense it has a rear locking diff.

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>Suburban=Master Race
>Suburban = off road station wagon

Anyone have one of these?

>>16526966
I think someone had one a few years back. No idea if they're still around.

>>16526966
>tfw no AMC Eagle

Why is it impossible to find burbans with manual transmissions? Am I stupid?

>>16527098
The 92 and newer models never came with manuals from the factory. It's a common and well documented swap with cheap and easy to find parts if you want to do it though.

>>16527113
This. Very easy swap since the area remained unchanged.

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>>16526914
I'm impressed that we hit both the bump limit AND the image limit.

Good job, /org/!

>>16526966
I just have a regular station wagon :(

>>16526914
>bed liner rock guards
>dat breakover angle
>dat ass
thanks op

>>16526945
Nah it was for >>16525043 pic

>>16527511
[Like A Rock]

>>16527581
https://youtu.be/XzbISicsvcQ?t=5

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>>16526914
My da mentioned he wanted to make a trail rig just before xmas, so I bought him a winch.

Tomorrow, he's asked me to come help him pick up the cab he's going to use, it's a 49 chev.

Problem, it's just a cab and a title at this point, no frame or running gear.

Looking at cheap Craiglist Chebbies (because Chebby is what I know), should we buy a running/driving rust heap reg cab long box 85 with 305 and SM456 trans for ~1500, or should I pick up a whole junkyard full of K5s and K5 parts for a grand?

The junker guy has 2 no-title K5s that are rock/tree rashed to shit, one with a running 350 and a blown Turbo 400, the other with a good TH350, but a 305 with cracked block and spun bearings, plus 2 extra axles, a 6.2 diesel, and a bunch of drive shafts.

I've got a M1009 myself, and so I could use a bunch of the second guy's spares for my shit, but I'm kinda daunted by fact that we're talking 3 trailer trips to haul it all out and probably 2 to the junkyard for the stuff that's worthless trash.

Cab pics look like about this condition, though obviously less complete...

>>16527794
What's with the two gas fillers?

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>>16527811
there's two tanks anon
how have you never heard of this

>>16527824
More info on the white k5 in the back

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>>16527862
I genuinely thought you were a fucking retard but now it's become apparent.

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>>16527809
oh fuck I love some classic 3100's. Favorite god damn truck in the world. Was just doing somework on a 46 today with a couple other guys. It was a previous body style but so fucking sick.

>pic
also if anyone has 6500 layin around and need a trail rig......

>>16527879
More info on that red ford explorer in the back

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>>16527862
>>16527896

take this fucking meme somewhere else you fucking nigger.

>>16527098
Because they are a soccer mom car & soccer moms cannot drive a stick.

>>16527910
More info on that handrail in the back

>>16527879
>converted to 12 volt
Breaks my heart. Converted CUCVs never work out.

>>16527923
>>16527896
>>16527862
Go away please.

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>>16527923
how does this image of a gmc make you feel shitposting anon

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>>16527862
>>16527896
>>16527923


I think I broke him guys
>>16527941

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Rate my Hilux, /o/.

>>16528008
Gud/10

>>16527941
This is a very clever reaction post, actually.

Good on you, crownon.

>>16526914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkrXIjyTyow

>>16527879
Why convert them from 24v? It's such a bad idea. If you need 12, plumb it off one of the two batteries.

>>16528008
Except that it's a Ranger.

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Got my WAT sticker on! Bad idea to do this in the rain though, but it's been raining every day this week so what could I do. Now to mount the /org sticker...

>>16526914
Oh great... here we go again...

>>16526966
Too bad you don't see these anymore. I'd love to find one!

>>16527113
This

>>16527427
How does the Subie handle off the pavement?

>>16527794
Question out of curiosity... how many locals get the Black Mesa reference?

>>16527862
>Obligatory OJ joke I am too lazy to come up with

>>16527879
>Top speed 23MPH
So much overkill! What kind of gears did these come with to pull a C30?

>>16528173
People probably get scared and revert it to something they know? Who knows...

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>implying you need ifs to be fast in the desert

>>16528759
The hillarious thing is my 4 wheel independent suspended 4x4 has more wheel travel than that thing.

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>>16528759
You don't, but a mid engine helps.

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>>16528759
>Implying you need Solid axles to Flex

I swear to god this topic never ends! It's long been settled. You're not beating a dead horse because by now the horse has been sold and ground up into Chinese food.

There is no "One size fits all" solution for off roading because everyone does it in different ways and because of this have different needs.

God damn people... I know this board is shitposting but can we find another topic? The same old arguments get old you know?

>>16528309
Yeah, but it takes 10 minutes of research to realize why it's a bad idea.

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>>16528309
The Subie does pretty well with the AWD, but it's not the Outback so it doesn't clear anything more than a medium-sized rock on a dirt road.

I don't expect it to do much since I got it to be a street car whereas the Taco is my 'ffroader

>>16527879
It's actually a 6100 cab, so it's got 4 inch deeper fenders.

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>>16528309
>how many locals get the black mes-
none
not a fucking one
not suprised honestly.

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Assuming this runs fine, is this viable if I want to break into offroading for less than a grand?

>>16530026
Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope

don't do it anon, trust me. you'll waste more money than it's worth and it still wont be running.

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>>16530026
>britbong car
>in a mup da doo city
>buying

anon let me stop u rite fuckin there

>>16530026
It won't run fine, get something American or Japanese, probably better off going American with that budget.

>>16530026
contrary what the parroting retards tell you, land rovers (except for those giant blobs of soaps) handle excellent off road, the downside is if you break something it will cost you a lot
and that definitely hit on something since it's less than a grand

>>16528309
>>16529937
I understood the Black Mesa reference, but most won't. I feel like HL is starting to become obscure.

>>16530198
If I like the look of the land rover, what's an American or Japanese counterpart I can look into?

It doesn't bother me to do some wrenching if I need to

>>16530267
The problem with a Land Rover isn't the difficulty of repair for the mechanicals, it's the low quality of the mechanicals and electrics.

>But Anon, what about compared to first year, strike vin range S-10 blazers?
The parts are cheap and reflect the later improved build quality.

The Disco has an iconic look and a pretty unique roof line, which makes settling for something else difficult, I understand this.

But you'd be better off with a Cherokee, 4Runner, Pathfinder, square front S10 Blazer, early Explorer, etc. If you don't mind going full size wide, there were Safari Roofs made for Conversion K5 Blazers and Suburbans that will get you the Discovery roof line.

>>16530335
I think that's what I needed to hear, the disco has a really iconic look to it but everyone says it'll let me down. What years for burbs?

>>16528183
How the fuck is that a Ranger?

It even has the old TOYOTA look on the back tailgate.

>>16528819
Yeah. We should start discussing manual vs automatic for offroading usages like the rest of /o/.

>>16530026
>>16530335
I would love to buy an old Disco and do a complete engine bay scoop and replacement. Those roof liners are really unique and fun. I love the double bunker camping setups you can build on just by crawling through the skylight.

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>>16530529
But we've already discussed that like 4 threads ago

Purchasing a 1997 Pathfinder this week. What do?

>>16530869
you pay the guy some money and go register it at the dmv what do you want anon

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>>16530896
The sweet release of death I suppose

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I've been a second gen explorer man my entire adult life. Right now I have a 99 V8 2WD. My previous exploder was a V6 2WD. I want something I can take off road and in the snow. The thing is, Ford either never made a 4WD explorer with a 5.0 V8, or they did and theyre just rare as fuck. All I can find are AWD models. Anyone here have experience with the AWD second gen explorer?

I read on serious explorations that the engine/tranny/transfer case combo is solid and reliable, but the AWD isnt great for offroad because there no 4 low option.

My other option is get a 4WD explorer with the 4.0 V6. I gotta be honest I like the power of my v8, and I like that it gives me cred in the world of 302 windsor. My 95 v6 2WD explorer had a problematic tranny. The tranny's on the V8s are way more proven. I dont know if the 4WD v6 explorer transmission is also problematic.

So what do: v6 4WD or v8 AWD?

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>>16530456
I've seen safari roofs on Suburbans in the 73-91 gen and the 92-99 gen. K5s in the 83-91 generation.

The Suburban, especially, will be a much larger rig than a Disco.

The conversion roof is fiberglass and has to be modified to take glass or, more realistically, Plexiglas panels.

Actually Google tells me that high roof Conversion Suburbans can still be bought new, blows my mind.

>>16530551
The funny thing is that this is such an obvious solution to the Landy problem that more than one company in England does basically nothing but do this to brand new ______ Rovers.

Brand new and people gut them and stuff them full of Chevy truck parts.

>tfw
>insane fog 20m visibility
>never got a chance to drill mounts in my bumper
>75s sitting in a box at home
>anti-lmao
pray i don't die tonight

go spin tyres on some farm land tonight, /ORG/ :D

>>16531202
It's actually not that big of an issue anymore in North America. It's really funny since people don't care about reliability anymore so the Jaguar never had to improve reliability. All modern cars are over engineered and not built to last so it's more or less propelled Land Rover/ Jaguar sales nowadays. Jaguar never had to adapt their unreliable engineering to compete in the market since everyone else lowered their standards.

It'd be pretty nice to run this on an old Disco. Just replace the engine with something like an overpowered Chevy engine + transmission and have a really weird sounding Disco. An intact vehicle shell for $900 really isn't that bad, too.

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>>16530026
>>16531176
Why not both?

>>16531358
The the Rover V8 has the save firing order as a Gen 3 or newer small block (IE LS) or an older BOPs GM V8.

>>16531388
Huh. Good point. Maybe insurance?

>>16531422
Well, you sure missed the point of my post. Look at the picture. It's an Excursion with a Discovery roof.

>>16531454
Well, you sure missed the point of my post. Get both vehicles and drive both vehicles.

>>16531417
Hmm. Have you done or seen a swap? Most oft he issues with the LRs seem to be motor, coolant, and especially computer related so I guess you could leave the transmission intact without needing to do an older removal. Small block Ramjet V8?

>>16531037
Honestly, if you want a trail rig, get the 4x4 V6. Not sure if you could put the whole V8/4R70 in place of the V6/4R55 to the existing transfercase, but seeing as it wasn't an option from the factory, I have a sneaking suspicion the V8 gearbox might be too long (just a hunch without any creditable evidence).

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>>16531388
>mfw
I wonder if I can put this over the bed of my trucc.
Do you have pictures of the interior?

>>16531037
Isn't there a locking hub option on the 2nd generation if you want to use it for offroading?

Those old 4.0 OHV V6s are as reliable as the V8s. Plus you won't need much power unless you're planning to tow horses or something. I think 2nd generation is when they started out making weird Windsor V8s and having mild issues with HP despite the gas mileage so no one bought them. No one wanted an older, sluggish V8 in an offroad when the F-150 was substantially cheaper.

So if you can get a V6 4WD with locking hubs, I'd get that.

>>16526914
>>Suburban Master Race Edition
Don't you mean:
>"Suburban Masturbate Edition"

>>16531481
I'd do a 100% chebby drivetrain just for simplicity's sake. L98 or LS3 plus 6L80 or T56 HD with Tranzilla tailshaft housing and the Camaro gearset that gives the lowest first gear. Yeah, I'd be giving up a bit of on-road prowess by giving up the eleventy billion drivetrain modes, on a newer Range Rover, but it'd still be pretty nice, and it'd still be very capable. Do a custom gauge cluster, aftermarket head unit, and a custom harness.

Probably gut the air suspension for coils too.

>>16532081
Oh you're talking about doing that in a modern Range Rover. What about the older Disco IIs that shouldn't need a full on chebby swap?

The benefit is that the entire frame, suspension, and axles won't be needing replacements, too.

>>16532174
I'd still be awfully tempted to do a full swap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_NMaIL5IQ
Ronny Dahl is back boys.

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>>16532390
i think i have an actual crush on him why is this happening

>>16532081
L98 would be great in a Disco. 350 SBC simplicity with a ton of low end power. I'd go ahead and do a 4L80e for simplicity's sake. Keep the drivetrain cheap and GM.

The 6.5 diesel swaps are popular overseas. The SBC uses the same motor mounts and will bolt up to the same transmissions.

>>16532514
>not having a crush on Tacofag

>>16532610
>having a crush on fags

>>16532652
>Fags

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>>16532610
>>16532652
>>16532714
Wut

>>16532714
Fags

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>>16532610
>NOT HAVING A CRUSH ON SWIFTPOSTERS SWEET ANUS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>16533118
I swear to fucking god if you steal my memes one more time

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>>16533257
Schtop this. We're having a very nice Land Rover swap discussion and it's something that I can see myself doing since I love me the discos

>>16532390
He's so strikingly nervous. That or he doesn't know how to into public speaking. Good man.

>>16530026

Thats too cheap. I can get an old but very working straight 5 def or w461 for about $4000. Land cruiser of same year in same condition maybe $5000-6000.

>>16533306
I'd disco with you

Is a Tacoma a good start for DD and getting into off-roading? I do a shit ton off highway driving and just want to get out there and explore.

>>16533306
it's funny because hes a rather experienced content creator.

>>16533306
Guess what I got today Tay!?!

>>16533433
Sure if you can find a 2000s model for $2k or less.

>>16526914
Fuck I want my 89 suburban back that thing was a legit fucking tank, only thing that went bad on mine in the 13 years I had it was the starter.

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>>16533401
What a quaint comment. I'd disco with you, too, anon ^__^

>>16533433
Yes. Ranger, Colorado, Kota, Taco.
I DD My Ranger making deliveries to farmers from a main city putting on around 3000-4000 per month. When I get to the area, I can do some offroading or take the mudpaths to their places.

Every time I get stuck, they always have a chevy (or ten) to help tow me out. And if their ten chevies aren't operational, they can always use their motorhome to pull me out. Or their tractors.

>>16533463
A full frontal lobotomy?

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sliding off roads? guilty as charged.

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>>16533556
Pshh. I wish.

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>>16533366
A straight five Disco!? Are we still talking about the special builds or is there actually a I-5 Disco IIs out there?

Also, what country are you in for those older Land Cruisers? Funny story that I saw an old FJ80 in Toronto, Leafland the other day and it had minor under peeling rust and some dirt around the fenders. The last that Tay Yoda brought over was before the 2000s so this had to be around 20 years old minimum.

I pull up beside it at the red light and it was piloted by this fat black woman in her late 40s. Doesn't know what she has but she probably bought it back in the 90s and has kept it running ever since. Wise person.

>>16533491
Depending on where you live, you may see a LOT of rust on them. Also, the first generation Tacos are the roughest rides for front independent suspensions.
3rd generation Rangers may be better for this cause since their throwaway productions make them less sought after and therefore less expensive.

So perhaps it's worth getting a really nice beater to get "started" DDing and off-roading.

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>>16533570
Sweet!! Isn't he 23 days too early, though? Or is that an engagement ring!?!
(as i thought you already had a husbando)

20 karat gold, quater karat diamond?

>>16533563
Ouch. I'm sorry, nonanon. Yellowtext story?

>>16533598
The Landrover Diesel that replaced the 300TDi was a five cylinder. All Disco 2 diesels are said 5 cylinder (AFAIK).

>>16533641
not very eventful and pretty stupid but here goes

>be me
>have crazy parents
>literally lose their shit because i came home at 10pm one night
>kick me out for a week
>temps in the 30s- it's november in ct
>sleep in back of car on air mattress
>get pneumonia because cold
>parentals let me come home for thanksgiving
>drive about 15 miles to relatives house for thanksgiving dinner
>feel like shit, take some dayquils
>probably a bad idea
>drive home
>coming around sharp bend downhill
>idiot me slams on brakes
>forgot that i dont have abs because its broken and the TCS meme locks the brakes up
>do a 180 around that embankment and it rolls
>breaks the front axle, breaks the right front wheel out, destroys the front and rear doors on the right
>part it out for 250 bucks

kill me

>>16533664
Ah, right. I completely forgot about the OHC Diesel I-5s since diesel vehicles in Canada are reserved mainly for larger trucks or those that are swap savvy enough to either build their own or look around enough to import / find some guy equally as autistic. (that would be me soon:)

What do you think of the Disco IIIs? I remember them having the same engine as my Ford Ranger in the North American series which was really, really neat. Of course, because they were produced at the old times, they suffered a lot of the SOHC issues the Rangers / Mazdas did before 2007 but that would make some interior scoops much easier.

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>>16533676
Ouch the braking. Yeah, not so good without tyre chains. Sorry non-anon... Hey at least the rollover wasn't that severe and you're not hurt! Plus the parting out for $250 is something instead of needing to pay $25 000 for medical bills. I hope your life situation gets a bit better over the next bit and that you get some mercy out of your parents from this event.

Also as a friendly reminder to overlanding people and anons sleeping in their cars: Before you fall asleep, you can make a half igloo with your vehicle by shovelling snow onto the areas of your vehicles where you are sleeping. It's a lot easier in a single or ext. cab pickup truck but it can be done with other vehicles if need be. You literally park your car half on asphalt (or traction grips) and closest to the nearest large snow bank (or snow covered rock) as possible. Then you shovel on large amounts of snow and back it onto your vehicle's side except your driver's door side and hood. This keeps a layer of insulating snow and traps heat inside your cab. With you as a furnace, it can raise the temperature by 5-15 degrees and if you have someone else in the vehicle with you, you can actually keep the temperature to around 5 deg C if you are in -20 weather. This is really helpful for winter overlanding. But just make sure that you will be able to start the car afterwards and not grip it off. Pack the snow to around 1ft if possible and really pack it tight for more insulation.

>>16533641
23 days too early? And we have been together for a while, but it's a new ring. 22k, quarter k diamond. I like minimalistic styling.

>>16533746
yeah i was lucky. im a firefighter in the adjacent town and i was talking to them while we waited for the tow truck. they said most of the accidents over there (someone does the same thing every couple months ig) end up being codes. (fatality)

>>16533761
I THOUGHT IT WAS 22! But 22k less common than 20s or 18s. AARRG. Anyway, yeah. It's a really simple style unlike some of the more bedazzled ones. Looks like a keeper!

Also, it's 23 days to valentine's day - is what i meant.

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I really really want to get into some super gnarly crawling this spring/summer. anyone here in SoCal know any really cool trails. Every day I crave being on the trail with my 4 banger in 4low.

>dat bondo'd up ass

>>16533877
Are you yellow YJ guy?

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>>16533889
yeah

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>>16533877
Welcome back (unless you've been shitposting without mentioning your YJ which is cool, too)

Update on sales?

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>>16533920
not selling muh heep, bought some bucket seats, then getting dynamat and a carpet kit, and lasty some foot mat inserts to preserve the carpeting from mud and dirt, or what not. Then during that i'm gonna work out some mechanical issues, i'm getting some rocker knock or something, sounds like i'm low on oil but I check it every day, still topped off just fine. Hoping it's nothing serious. Then probably gonna just tighten shit up and make it clean in the drive train.

>>16533948
correction, I wouldn't call it knocking, more like tapping at 1k rpm, maybe someone here can identify the problem but I don't consider you guys master mechanics.

>>16533746
>cover your vehicle in -15 degree snow to warm it up
tay what did you mean by this? this is literally the opposite of what you want to do.

>>16533948
And ah! this was you! >>16510004. I had bought some dynamats for my Taynger a while back but am waiting for spring to install the carpetting and mats when it isn't finger numbingly cold outside. Hope on for the bucket seats when you get them in.

More info on the rocker knocking? Shouldn't be an oil issue.

>>16533952
>but I don't consider you guys master mechanics.
said the guy who doesnt know what lifter tick sounds like

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>>16533983
yeah, was looking some shit up, most guys say it's a lifter knock and you can fix it with a "motorflush" fluid from a local auto parts store or what not.

>posting a picture with every post feelsgoodman, gonna hit that image limit real quick.

>>16534012
yeah dude I know. I'm such a fucking normie

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>>16533877
Big Bear is always a good place to start. Unfortunately I'm all sand jumping and camping so I don't know of any good places for crawling

>>16533433
Taco is good

Taco is pure

>>16533563
What's this about sliding off roads because I didn't put on chains and drove 2wd in the snow?

>>16534028
I feel, got that 2wd and ifs life going on.

>>16533877
pinyon mountain
truck haven
corral canyon

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yj #1

>>16533789
He's a captain so he is at sea for 3 weeks of the month. Doubtful he will be in for valentine's day.

Do they sell modern Jeep rubicons lemons anywhere? All this talk of engine swapping makes me want a modern wrangler with a chevy small block

>>16536018
I've seen someone swap a Hemi V8 into a JK before. I'm not a Chrysler guy, but it was pretty damn sexy

>>16536018
Also need recommendations for off road clutch manufacturers. What do you all run?

What does /ORG/ listen to when on the softer trails?
You should have silence on technical so you can hear everything happening to your vehicle but what is some good offroad tunes?

>>16536147
I'll usually listen to something upbeat and fun like
https://youtu.be/DoW5z77Tz2k

Or I can do something kinda chill and calm like
https://youtu.be/GSDCZttJQrQ


Or eurobeat because it's easy to drift with my diff locker

>>16536147
Sirius XM 80's on 8 while cruising through the middle of no where desert is awesome

>>16527809
HOLY SHIT SOMEONE ELSE CALLS THEIR FATHER "DA"

>>16536576
He meant the DA. Gotta bribe those police Jews if you wanna leave the state.

>>16536640
god damn it

>>16530227
it's pretty fucking old at this point

>>16536778
And still no HL3

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>>16534186
Like a legit captain? B'cus if so, that's coolio AF. For which navy rig if you don't mind saying on 4chin?

>>16536018
Nope. As far as I know, they recycle the old frames and do as little interior work as possible on vehicular "lemons".
What you should try finding is water damaged insurance write-offs from floods or other events that completely destroy the computer, engine, and transmission. This way, you might be able to find a rugged coolant system along with the frame for like $2000-$5000.

Or select a Jeep you see parked in a valley and put a .50 BMG through the engine block. Buy it when owner gives it up through insurance.

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>>16536147
Taylor Swift's first three albums on repeat.

But if you have people in the car that's tired of your shit:
Anything by Kris Kristofferson before he got his brain lesions. Any post-Kristofferson outlaw cunt-tree. Statler Brothers or Brooks & Dunn (when cruising through a small town)
Stevie Ray Vaughan and Jethro Tull's discography.
AC/DC and drone metal like Earth, Sleep, Om, Merzbow, Sun O))).

>S L O W R O L L I N G
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0C-L0W6ghs

If I shop for a 4runner what's the best year for aesthetics, 4x4, reliability, etc?

Entry level upgrades to improve on road drivability and/or improve offroading?

>>16537270
1st gen for best 4runner. 3rd gen okay.

But if you're entry level, why not just get an XJ for cheaps and you won't have to worry about any upgrades until you git gud.

>>16537305
Eh my brother has the xj. It's okay but looks generic and it's like the entry point for every redneck who just wants to kick up mud. Might be different in other areas, I just don't want the tag on me.

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cold doggo

>>16537336
Yeah get a 3rd gen or an older Hilux.

How do you feel driving your brother's XJ?

>>16537160
He's a private captain. Right now he's aboard a 140 foot sailboat called SV Stardust. I joke with him about being rich people's bitches, but in reality it is a pretty cool job, and his clients are pretty legit. He's got a masters 200 ton.

>>16537361
He doesn't take care of it so the steering slips like a buttered up bar of soap, but I can tell if cared for properly it would be a good truck.

I'm sure contrarian so I couldn't see myself driving a vehicle that makes up 1/3 of the trucks I see on the road though. Everybody hates me for driving imports, so now my fleet is 90% imported, love it.

>>16537350
"Stay warm, Doggo!"

>>16537461
>200 ton

It goes 15->60->150->350->500->3000>Master

Unless your local system is different

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>>16537493
'the jews did this'

>>16537622
USCG Master has 25, 50, 100, 150, 200 and so on. Not sure if he has his Yachtmaster

>>16537852
Ah ok. Why STCW isn't actually the standard in each country is beyond me.

>>16537911
Effective in 1984. That's why. The other conventions aren't ready to stop getting money for their standards. In the Gulf Coast, the USCG is the gold standard. Every time they give a seal of approval, they get paid about 10-20 bucks I'd bet.

>>16537953
It's not like the country's government doesn't have other money grabs in the marine regulation world, those fuckers charge for everything and know fuck all. I just think it's a cruel joke which means you essentially have to get twice the qualifications you should have to get.

>>16537997
Believe it or not, I run shrimp boats here in florida, so I know what you mean.

>>16538173

I've been wanting to get a 2nd gen 4runner for a long ass time now. I keep checking craigslist for a while and I have seen soo many of them with blown headgaskets because apparently the v6 in that gen had an issue with the exhaust manifold being badly designed and allowing unnecessary heating to part of the engine. So most of the ones have been repaired or need to be repaired and who knows if the owner is lying.

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Hey /ORG/, what do you guys think of the 2nd gen 4Runner? I'm picking one up tomorrow (pic NOT related), it will be my first 4x4. I'm handy with a car, but I don't know any 4x4 specific stuff, grateful for any advice you can offer.

>>16538220
Yeah, I've heard of the bad head gaskets too. Current owner claims that the previous owner to him changed the head gaskets, but like you said, who knows if he's telling the truth.

(I deleted the original post cause I didn't realize the image had a license plate in it, normally I wouldn't give a shit but it's not my car/plate)

>>16538193
How do those smell in comparison to PNW crab boats?

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>>16537461
That's real fucking neato. I have two friends who do comp. sailing and when the olympics don't take them, they'll just do a similar thing.
If you do a negotiation and if the smugs like you, you can get a pretty damn good salary despite only working half the year.

>>16538220
What was the post you were responding to?
Also how many miles do you have on the 4runner? If you can get it at a really cheap price for a high mileage motor, an engine rebuild could easily solve that issue. Even if someone else rebuilds it for you.

>>16538306

--->>>16538265
>>16538265

Ya the 4 banger is the best choice, but they are hard to find. Hopefully the owner is honest. Good luck m8

>>16538340
>Hopefully the owner is honest
Thanks dude, he definitely seems trustworthy and like a cool guy. So only time will tell!

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>rarley go off road
>uses it more as a mini van

I use it to trailer my jeeps, if that counts for anything..

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>>16538461
Also, never trust any one when they say they change the oil every 3k

>>16538301
Stink like shit of the nets aren't cleaned before dawn

>>16538193
Do you ever need an extra hand for a week at sea?

>>16538512
I wish I could say yes, but I already have 42 employees, many are out rn, but will be back.

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>>16538512
ill give you an extra hand

>>16538760
My friend had expressed his desire to go crab or Atlantic fishing so that would've been perfect in the summer to convince him that he's retarded.

Ah whale.

>>16538874
What did he mean by this

>>16538340
Ah alright. Didn't see that when I typed out the resbonse. Post CL?
Also remember that there are lies through malice and ones through ignorance. The ones thought ignorance are the worst with cars because they normally think they're much better than they actually are. Bring the OBD reader and a guy who has an eye for painted over rust and you'll be all alright.

>>16538461
NICE. I wuld love to have that for a dual driver during trails or even just quick stops to the mechanic. Tow the jeep there and drive the jeep back.

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>>16538997
I MEANT THAT ILL JACK OFF HIS DICK WITH MY FUCKING HAND

>>16538997
8 hours of sleep per 72 hours... he would be like every other greenhorn. Dead by day 2 of 3. Never take a second trip.

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>>16539146
Exactly. But he's also the type to say he can do it until it actually hits him. Would go along just to see his reaction, too.
If i told him about this, he'd literally jump at the idea, too. Chuck him on a boat whilst we go comfy camping in the Deuce? (;

Florida is the cheapest meth capital, isn't it? Just load up on a few shards before heading into the trip!

>>16539110
Oh otay.

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>>16539195
FUCK OFF AND POST YOUR ASSHOLE YOU BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>16539258
are you threatening me?!

>>16539195
There are very few things I don't joke about, but meth is one. Killed my best friend. Fresh out of the army with no job. Wound up homeless with ptsd, dead 6 months later.

That being said, camping sounds nice

>>16533982
Your body heat does the warming, the snow is just insulation (snow is effective insulation).

The average human is 150 BTU.

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Still haven't gotten a chance to head over and work on it, been a bit busy lately with work n such. Will get more pics sometime though!

>>16538760
>>16538997
Commercial fishing sucks

>>16539397
I'm really sorry to hear. That's just incredibly tragic... I would not have made the joke if I knew about that.

Re: events. That sounds good. Work might have me travelling down to Florida for a 2 day seminar in the next 3 months so can keep an eye out :)

>>16539573
Yeah, but the money is good!

>>16539586
Shit happens. People die. The world keeps turning. It's just a far worse problem than people think.

If you turn up though I hope it's running. It's down for a headgasket job right now.

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My new 4wd ride, waiting on the one ton axles to be geared, and 37s to be purchased to really go hard off road. Will wheel it like this for the summer...

>>16528759
that truck is slow as fuck in modern times and would get raped even in 7100

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>>16539724
noice.

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itt:
we sumon the fuckboi who owns this and ask him to record himself doing hektik skinds in the snow

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44" Nokian hakkapeliitta

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>>16541873
I was not even aware that the LT2 came in anything bigger than 35"

>>16541905

yea they are pretty sweet.. costs both arms and legs tho

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>>16541905

the tire on the right is the 35" hakka

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>>16541923
I'd fucking imagine

>>16541930
>pic related

>>16541930
44's oh my lawd. The deuce only rolls on a 40.

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>>16541873

>>16539695
>money is good

It's good if you suck dick too, doesn't make it enjoyable

>>16542777

->>>16542399

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>>16542777
Checked

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>>16543300
have a brand new pepe as a celebration for your dubs

>>16543908
Thank

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>>16542777
-> >>16543908

>>16544443
one off quints

how does it feel

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>own 02 suburban 4x4
>bone stock except tires and rims

That pile literally climbs over anything

Next thing I plan is a slight lift, shocks, and do something about the rear overhang.
Anyone here running a suburban and getting caught on shit?

pic related

>>16542813
Tell me how you make 2k in 3 days sucking dick. Also, for some of us it is quite enjoyable being on the water, and I don't have to check for STD's when it's over.

>I don't like something so I am going to make sure others feel like shit about it.

Did you vote for Hillary?

Please don't stress the deuce she tends to post less cute things when spooped

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>>16544599
Does /org/ have a grill?

>>16544614
Yeah, she rides an M35, a Shadow, and some sea Captain.

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>>16544633
Fuck I forgot the relevant picc.

Sry 4 duble bost.

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>>16544614
propane,
it's pretty old and rusty but it works last time I checked.

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>>16544614
Ye, deuce

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>>16544614
uhhhh no.

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>>16544633
Pics?

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>>16544633
And a vtx 1800. The shadow is down for paint and body work.

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>>16544764
You should go trigger the anti cruiser fags in /dbt/

>>16544781
Eh, I cruise because its fun, not to go piss of whiney kids. Its why I have baffles in my exhaust. Because I don't have to be the loudest or the fastest. That being said, I am up there in size. Its a 800 lbs bike without me on it, and I weigh 130.

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>>16544808
>tfw
>you weigh less than your two wheeler

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>>16544808
>up there in size
>130
what the fuck are you on about?
are you a manlet anon

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>>16544614
>thinking we would allow a bagina to infiltrate our safe space

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Well I brought her home, runs beautifully. The throttle cable needs to be lubed/adjusted, the steering is a bit floaty so it'll need a new pitman/idler arm/tie rod ends/alignment, but otherwise it's awesome.

Runs and drives beautifully, oil pressure gauge is dead in the middle at cruising speed, it doesn't run hot at all, even the A/C works.

Only last thing is a head unit. Damn thing looks like a Lite-Brite in my peripheral vision.

>>16545128
congrats! looks pretty mint. any plans for it?

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>>16545178
Nothing major, possibly a minor lift and some wheels/tires. But not a whole lot else, largely just as a more practical alternative to the Miata!

>>16545121
I knew this 6 year old wetback that would always run around me and scream bagina at the top of her lungs

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>>16544492
Nice 800!
From Time to time I would get my hitch ball caught on stuff in my old Burb. I don't run with it in when I wheel in Murph.

How did you mount up your flag?

>>16545189
Is that a fucking Arizona Cardinals sticker?!

>>16544580
A bit touchy there, aren't you? I love being on the water, I don't like commercial fishing. Calm down big boy.

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>>16545194
thats pretty cool anon

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>>16545285
stop making this an /ORG/ classic.
haven't you triggered enough anons?
think of the burbs!

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>>16545194
I had a friend who used to pronounce it vageena,
I miss having friends. ;-;

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>>16545312
What happened to all of them?

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>>16545285
>stop making this an /ORG/ classic.
i will never
we have the best maymays here

>>16545359
meant >>16545296

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>>16545312
>having friends that say "vageena"
>calling sandniggers "friends"

>>16545239
I dunno. Yes? Is that bad?

I plan on removing all the stickers from it anyways.

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>>16545335
they were fuckin gay and flaky as fuck and I was fuckin gay and flaky as fuck, we all seemed to split up in adolescence.
>>16545370
fuck you gook, he was probably whiter than you.

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>>16545394
>"vageena"
>white

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>>16544492
>and do something about the rear overhang.
Lift improves departure angle.

>>16545228
>diesel swap is eating up the money I was going to use to finish lighting
Oh well, engine comes first I guess. Still need to order gauges and I think I'm going to try to find a 94+ TCM from a van so I can keep my 97 80e and not have to build my own harness.

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>>16545394
Bring the Windsor back to Windsor, Crownon.

Run away now. I'll meet you when you're out of the church at the back door.

>>16545128
Nice. How much was it?

>>16545419
Why four (75?) PIAAs ?

Also, get that hook out of the winch, faggot (;

>>16545422
>Nice. How much was it?
$2000

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>>16545433
EVEN NICER!!!!!

Looks spotless, too. Looks like you know what's up with the mechs so that's a triple win right there.

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>>16545419
>harbor freight winch
my nigger

>>16545427
>Why four (75?) PIAAs ?
Two 55w HID driving, two 35w HID fog.

>Also, get that hook out of the winch, faggot (;
What's wrong with the hook?

>>16545448
Thanks man, I'm hyped as hell for it.

It is a LITTLE more tired than the pictures let on, it's got 190k miles, the paint is a bit faded, and the interior is definitely worn. But all in all, for it's age/mileage/price it's flawless.

The drivers seat is split, but clean, for example. The carpet is worn through at the heels, but no major stains. The paint is a bit faded, but there's no rot and only a handful of door dings.

I'm so excited about it. Wish it was a little faster, but whatever, it gets me around!

>>16545402
>stealing my stuff like a nigger
>your friend is a nigger

>>16545449
Are there any downsides to using a no-name brand winch?

this is so fucking tempting https://www.japaneseclassics.com/vehicle/1989-mitsubishi-delica/

my only worry is parts availability. theyve had it listed for a while though i am incredibly tempted to make an offer...

>>16545543
Didn't we talk about this a few threads back and how I told you that you could find the parts easily via a few online distributors?

>>16545542
lots would make the argument about poor quality control
i am not one of them though

>>16545554
very possible
i was probably drunk tho

>>16545554
That doesn't help when you're stuck on the side of the road next to an autozone with something that's a cheap/easy fix with the right part.

"Easy" is walking in, buying the part for $5.23 and installing it in 20 minutes.
Not getting on your phone, buying it for $5.23 online, paying $127.52 for overnight shipping from Japan only to find out that there's a two day "processing & handling" delay before shipping, and then walking up to the nearest hotel that's $97.89 per night.

There's no reason for that shit. Just buy something that has parts common to your location.

>>16545594
b-but 4wd diesel van

>>16545631
anon do it. then spend money on getting shit that are most likely to break or buy a separate vehicle to drive when it requires time to ship it from distributors.

>>16545581
it's a winch. as long as the cables are good, what's it to them?

>>16545668
lower quality cheaper parts lead less longevity, reliability and durability. thats why everyone strokes their cocks to warn

as for the van, ideally iw ould be using it for overlanding so it really just doesnt make sense in any regard. its just so fucking tempting though

>>16545686
Get a suburban. It'll be less cramped and easier to run a dual battery setup.

>>16545631
Just buy a diesel Suburban.

>>16545686
>/ORG/
>suburban master race edition
>not getting a burb
c'mon anon

>>16545686
Everyone strokes their cock to Warn because they're iconic. The HF winches aren't bad. Sure you save a little on part quality, but you save more on the badge.

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>>16545723
>>16545724
>>16545728
i like burbs but fuck off faggots this is too much

>deport burb cancer

>>16545750
dont get me wrong i agree and i plan to buy a HF winch. that said, warn undoubtedly is surrounded by a reputation of reliability, sure the name brand ups the price a bit but i dont think its fair to insinuate thats the main reason people buy them.
they buy them for their reputation of quality. even though imo they are paying way too much.

>>16545786
How much are they? Did I make a mistake buying a 12000lb rated winch from the local auto shop for $250?

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>>16545770
>I like burbs
>Burb fits perfectly what I'm looking for
>Why is everyone recommending burbs

>>16545800
no i wouldnt say so.
warns are incredibly pricey many are well upwards of 1k

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>>16545770
Karadžić pls come to /ORG/

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>>16545817
i said i like them but i have something that is much better
get rekt fagets

>>16545832
are her eyes rolled back in that pic
p scary desu

>>16545853
If you have something much better thana Suburban that is much better than the Delica, why would you consider buying the Delica?

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>>16545770
>>16545817

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>>16545862
>implying im that same guy
>implying you didnt just get utterly rused
>implying it isnt 2011 where everyone still says implying

>>16545359
Oddly enough /org/ has already produced a good amount of fresh memies

>>16545899
we are currently the best available on this chinese cartoon board

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>>16545890
>not being the same guy

>>16544922
I meant the bike, but I am on a shamsung note 4. Autocorrect is still a bitch.

>>16545282
I have been defensive today, I apologize. I've been laid up today after slipping in the tub and eating a fucking tile wall for it. You would think if I could stand on a deck I could stand up on a non moving surface.... but apparently I went full retard today.

>>16545189
Looks pretty good.

>>16545899
>oddly
why?

Also. List them.

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>>16546187
>why
Because /org/ really hasn't no taken off until a couple months ago so the memes came in quick

>list them
S L O W R O L L I N G
"Just buy a Samurai you dumb faggot"
"NICE RADIALS FAGGOT"
Crying in 2wd
SFA

Also these might count but it depends what you consider a meme:
Toyota/Suburban power struggle
That one dude who screams about Tayposter butthole and stickers
The sheer density of namefags in these threads


There's probably more but that's what i can remember at the moment

>>16546438
>Toyota/Suburban power struggle
That's not a thing.

If it were, the Suburban would clearly win.

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>>16546453
SHOTS FIRED
pls no derail nice threabbb

>>16545419
are piaa lights memes?
Or are they really worth the asking price?

>>16546465
M8 my number 4 cane today. Damn that was a great cigar. I'm very pleased, habanos was 10/10 will definitely purchase another again.

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muh buckets came in today

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bought this a couple years ago as my daily. i take it to tahoe (snow) probably five times a year. never gone off roading, because there arent any nice resorts/restaurants/hotels in california that involve driving off road for. super comfy though; fits 4 people and ski gear easily, air ride, V8... i may run it back and get a GX460 or landcruiser whenever this one starts eating parts. overall ive been super impressed with how reliable it is. i dont think i could ever own an american or german car as a daily driver after owning a lexus...

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>>16546488
PIAA and KC has the classic shells and are what all offroad stores carry. They have well made reflectors and very durable plastic. Otherwise, they're just okay bulbs. You're paying for everything that comes with.

>>16546496
Neat! I smoked a 2010 MC 4 together with a MC 4 Reserva with tobacco from 2002. Did a review for a cigar journal, too

I alwyas have some Monte4s for roadtrips (which I make every fucking week nowadays)

>>16546538
I was very pleased. And at $6 a cigar shipped to my house, it is cheaper than buying them from the cigar shop for the ones rolled in the rest of Central America.

Really makes you think...

>>16546488
Highly recommend the fogs. Haven't had a chance to see how the driving lights compare to LED spot pods or the Hellas though. I suspect the Hellas to win by a good margin but 9" light vs 6" light and I'll be putting more power through the Hellas.

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>>16546515
Holy shit is that the same fucking kid. Good that he grew out his hair.

Pics of bucc'ts.

>>16546557
LEDs are illegal on the road so it's hard to compare.

Driving and LEDs are impossible over morning fog. You just end up blinding yourself, lol.

>>16546547
You are the cheapest place to buy regular production Cuban cigars. For that side, hope Trump keeps the Embargo );

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>>16546515
Get him on /ORG/. He'll be a champ one day.

>>16546563
Low color temp and clean cutoff are good for fog. LEDs lack both.

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>>16546581
>>16546563
a little on the small side but that's what I get for being 6'3. But should be better in the long run for my back.

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>>16546604
for anyone who hasn't seen my current situation, pic related

>>16546604
Wait a sec. Are you just gonna put those on top of your regular seats or are you gonna do some weird ghetto ass hollow-out job? For a second, I thought you were replacing the whole seat mount.

>>16546583
Uhh. Yes.
Agree to agree.

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>>16546610
No I have to purchase new seat brackets and sliders. The previous ownre of my heep was like 5'4n and bolted in new mounts and seats that were bad, and like 3-4 inches closer to the dash then stock. Also he didn't even put them equidistant from the doors. The driver's side rubs the doow, and the passenger have a good 3 inches lmao. ghetto as fuck rn. But yeah I will need new brackets, and rails, then custom mount the seats on the rails if the holes don't line up properly.

>>16546453
I guess it's more of a shift from Toyota to Burbs lately. I'll agree with you in that regard

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>>16546617
Oh otay. Good. I thought you were monging for a sec.

Looks like a lot of work but it sure as hell beats back problems. Remove the passenger side and only carry two people. Why'd you even keep the top on your YJ considering your height and where you live? If I lived in sandtown, I'd have the doors and top off every day.

In fact, if I had a Jeep, I'd drive 80 on the highway with the doors and top off in a snowstorm any day. But that's a topic for another time.

>>16546638
Because it's been raining, and it's not as fun as people make it out to be if weather isn't prime. I will have it off all of summer though, or at least my doors, and all the side panels.

>>16545228
I don't have a flag strapped to the truck. It was on the Mojave road and we stopped infront of the famous "mailbox"

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>>16545724
Beware! DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT BUY A 6.5 WITH A DS4 INJECTOR PUMP! !!!!!!!!

Don't ask me how I know.

>>16541930
thats not a 35" tire. like a 31.5 or something

>>16547154
>not buying a DB2

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>>16547425
>buying a DB2

>>16547178

nope, its a 35

>>16547691
DB2 injection with a newer high flow water pump and Duramax fan makes for a very reliable 6.5, especially with a 599 block.

>>16545228
You near Altoona?

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>>16546776
This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask /org/

Does anyone have a flag mount on their trucks? Im trying to figure out how to put a flag on like my trailer hitch or my shell or something and I wanted to know if anyone else has any ideas

>>16548567
fake as fake tits

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Just got my bronco back on the dirt, then my fucking gas tank fell out...
don't forget to fix temporary repairs

Does /org/ ever have a meet?

>>16548834
Are you black Broco guy from a few years ago?

>>16548834
nice bronco is it a 302 or a 351?

>>16548163
My friend bolted a pipe on the back of his bed cap and capped the bottom off and stuck a pirate flag innit and then duct taped the top

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>>16545971
>>16545770
>>16545817
>>16545876

>>16548839
Nah. we're too spread out.

>>16548856
Naw just got this a few months ago, not the guy with the short wife tho

>>16548871
Sadly it's the 302, eventually thinking of doing a 4bt swap tho

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>>16549448
nice 4bt swap would be sex.

302 is not a bad engine, a bit under powered considering how big a bronco is. At least it is reliable as fuck, fucking 302's will run forever.

>>16548839
I wish. I've been trying to get a Southern California meet but it's hard to get much enthusiasm for it

california just finished getting a shitload of snow. my dad has a subaru outback. would he need tire chains no matter where he goes in the snow? or do you only need them for deep snow

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>>16550529
Chains are good to have when it snows, deep or not. I'd recommend having a set and keeping them handy. If it gets to the point that he needs them, he'll already have them

t.guy who's dad drives an Outback

>>16549213
kek saved

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SOMEBODY MAKE A NEW THREAD IM GOING TO FUCKING LOSE IT
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>>16546581
>'anon what is that for'

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>>16551351
i don't know.
anything i want, i suppose...