Name a better six cylinder? >oh wait you cant.

>>16504033
lol the fucking exhaust manifold is bolted to the intake for emissions

This engines are trash.

Awaiting butthurt JZ and RB fanboys. Yet to see a million mile supra or gtr.

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Here ya go

>>16504039
Bolted together because the carb is heated by it lol

>>16504046
Shreds serpentine belts, stupid cooling design, pain to maintence, oil burner by 150k. Next!.
>GM LOL

>>16504052
You shitting me? I just bought one with 144k.

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>>16504046
Wow.....Ecotec has to be one of the worst engines ever built by Holden....meanwhile in God tier...

>>16504033
The only thing that's got going for it is reliability. It's iron, pigfat, heavy, and the inline configuration makes for a very forward CoG. It's got a limited valvetrain and it's intake over exhaust.

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Barra is better

>>16504061
Wish i was. They are fair at low mileage. But be serious here. Have you ever seen one without any issues?

>>16504071
this and only this.

sad after only 15 years of production it finally died

Holden is dead by October this year as well

Fuck this gay earth we even tried exporting the commodore to the us and it flopped.

Fucking seppos and their shit taste

>>16504072
Dont like stock? Cool. Clifford and Offenhauser make different manifolds. And oh yeah. 285 ft lbs factory torque on 87... lol

>>16504075
Fair enough, but not as long living as a 300. Brownie points for ford tho.

>>16504088
THIS IS SPARTA

>>16504076
Leaking oil sometimes, but fair usually. Oh well, half the reason I like them is because they're a dime a dozen.

>>16504092
Assuming your aussie/yank?

Thank fuck they'll all die out soon a horrid engine that only likes boost when you fully rebuild it and have to be aware of all its issues

the supercharged version is dogshit.

V8's are more common here in aus as all the 3800's died due to bogan abuse

>>16504071
I meant the older, non Ecotec version.

>>16504088
They haven't been around as long, but there are a shitload past 1 million km/600,000 Miles.

The 300 6
>simple, cheap, raw power (170hp 285tq)
>long life span of the engine
>produced from 65 to 96, parts are common and not ridiculous
>good aftermarket scene for hot rodding these motors
>can make 250 hp and 400 torque or you can tune it to get around 25 city mpg.
>used in everything you could imagine, boats trucks cars tractors generators etc
>simple maintaining this engine, very cheap too
>superior timing gears, no need for weak chains or belts
>not foriegn, all you need is a $15 walmart ratchet set to work on it.

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>>16504046
>OHV
>V6
>OHV V6
>GM
>American

lmfao its every single thing /o/ could possibly hate in an engine. its the Antichrist engine!!!

>>16504113
ironically the n/a 3800 handles boost well with internal work

https://youtu.be/XNbX-NygHW4

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God machine coming through, step aside children

Vortec 4.3

>>16504113
Not everyone bends backwards to make anonymous on an auto board happy I guess.

>>16504128
yeah nah

https://youtu.be/IxDza8krGRw

Metzger

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>>16504033
>1HD engine is used by UN and insurgents alike
Apologize.

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>>16504175
>300 6 used by hundreds of thousands if not millions of rednecks farmers and 4x4 lovers.

Fuck your pussy UN m8 come get some freedom motherfucker

>>16504061
KEK

>reverse flow head
>carb is literally heated up by exhaust
>2 valves/ cylinder
>cam in block design
Its not the best because the 265 Hemi exists.

Even if you choose to ignore this fact, the 225 slant STILL exists

and above all else, the Barra is better in every way

>>16504046

>that belt

that can only end well

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Oh hi

>>16504278

>Rednecks in a first world country and good parts supply

The 1HD has to put up with a lot more than what Americans put their vehicles through

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>>16504097
Back when I first got my licence I had a XE with the amazing 250 Crossflow that used to be able to do burnouts all day. Would literally be do circle work until I felt it was spending too much time with the temp guage in hot, park it in the shade for a bit and wash rinse and repeat. Had a mate with VS Commodore who decided to do his first burnout in it and 2 minutes in there was a god awful bang and then oil all over the ground. The 3800 V6 was truly rubbish

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>>16504033
haha I cant even name that one I dont know shit about cars

>>16504033
M30
RB**

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>>16504320
Its too bad Chrysler didn't invest in their Hemi 6 like Ford did with the 250ci as the Hemi had a superior bore/stroke than the Ford. Would have loved to see a crossflow 265 Hemi in the 80s or if it had lived in to the 90s a DOHC Turbo Hemi. It would have been like a Nissan RB but with a lot more capacity to play with

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Pleb faggots.

6 cylinder jeep engine

>>16504175
This. The 1HD is better in literally every single objective.
In fact, without the bandaid of fuel injection, the Ford gas 300 six made even less power than the mechanically injected, non turbo 4.2 1HZ diesel.
>but mah million miles
that'll happen when you get lawn mower outputs out of a battle ship sized motor.

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>>16504389
Sorry mate, but that thing lives in the shadow of the 1FZ

>>16504825

>that'll happen when you get lawn mower outputs out of a battle ship sized motor

I think it has more to do with the fact that you cover more ground going 40mph on improved terrain rather than 5 mph cutting your own road.

>>16504839
There's that too, Although the 1HD has no problem racking up those miles in this fashion anyway xD

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Detroit 6v71. Dat sound. Will run after sitting 20 years or run with a hole in the block.

>>16504071
>MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG MANG

>>16504856
You know what's better than a 6/71?
2x6/71s.
Although they ain't "V"s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28N8arOPJkI

>>16504830
Fuck yes want

>>16504856

Not the 6v92 or inline 671?

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>>16504039
>i don't know what a choke stove is

>>16504047
Crossflow would have been better.

If your pistons aren't the size of beer cans, you're doing it all wrong.

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>>16504033
bitch please
VR6 best 6

6BT

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>>16504033
225 Slant Six

LEANING TOWER OF POWER

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>>16504033
Best 6 cylinder, strolling through. Amerigarbage, kraut anchors, and V-virgins stand aside.

>>16504856
>not the 6v92

Starts at 0:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=I_8NHIyTpGI

>>16505058
Why such a small bore?

>>16505809

So you can rebore it.

In all seriousness I think VR6 came in several displacements which used a common block.

>>16505577
N I S S A N S C U M

>>16504046
Silly kid, this isn't a worst v6 ever made thread!

>>16504102
One of the most reliable ones made for sure, considering how they've held up after this much time, being used in applications in which they are under a lot of load/heat/work.

>>16505058
Only godlike thing about the VR6 is its sound.

Silly faggots think cylinder count is only metric for an engine.

300 has wide industrial and truck and farm use with carb, EFI, and multifuel. It's best for those applications though stovebolt and slant six give it a run for its money.

It's a fucking truck engine and a very good one, but it's not a sports car engine and one thing is not like the other.

Sixes can pull some healthy loads. My towbro pulled an International 1600 40pax bus with his 292-powered C-30. However /o/ is a race car forum and nothing else belongs here.

>>16504389
214,000 miles on mine, still going strong.

>>16505561
Oh you mean the leaning tower of cold natured bullshit and vacuum leaks? Like the leaning tower of pizza, cool to look at, but you cant drive it

>>16504830
Really nice motor

>>16504102
>torque
>unit of measure
Fuck me, there really is a lot of retards here.
>>16506021
As said previously in this thread, it's not hard to have a 100% duty cycle when you have lawn mower like outputs from a battleship sized motor. There's hundreds of alternatives out there that achieve the same thing that are objectively better in every single respect.

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>>16504046
If you're going to post a OHV V6, at least post the best one with a non-fucked firing order

>>16504033
stop trolling us to post literally any other engine for the (You)s

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>>16504033
>omg it's not even a crossflow head

>>16504033
BMW N54.

n54 or anything in a 911
/thread

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>>16506755
Based Mezger.

>>16505933
Original VR6 was 2.9 litre, used in the Corrado and Passat. The Golf, etc, got a 2.8 litre lump.
R32 and R36 were redesigned somewhat.

>>16506043
Also as smooth as an inline 6 and fits in the footprint of a 4 pot.

>>16504033
Barra

>>16507312

The Barra is a piece of shit. You can get more power out of a NA 350. It's heavy as fuck and long as fuck. Trash.

>>16506129
>Oh you mean the leaning tower of cold natured bullshit and vacuum leaks?
>i don't know how to properly torque down manifold bolts better blame the engine

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>>16504033
superior i6 coming through

>>16507496
Have fun with runaway

>>16507496

Maybe if you fix the Killer Dowel Pin issue. Nice pimpcess auto stuff canadabro.

>>16504046
When you post anything GM related you just know its a shitpost

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>>16504033
>straight 5
> more efficient
>faster
> better fuel economy
> little maintenance
how can six cyllinders even compete

>>16504033
>BMW M##
>#JZ
>RB##

>>16507541

The fact that it's mounted transverse 4000lb sedan defeats any pro's. The only good i5 is a rally tuned Audi i5.

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>>16507599
>not a Porsche-tuned rally-bred Audi i5
Step it up

>>16507599
>sedan
its an estate ya blood yank, its a darn good engine when you go cruising on the autobahn with your mates

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Another legendary industrial 6 cylinder that makes a mockery of the civilian 300ci Ford.
The deutz air cooled diesel.

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>inb4 not cylinders

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/thread

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My 6 cyl

>>16507644
That car sounded like a vacuum cleaner lmao fuck outta here

>>16507677
>so loud it distorts the audio in every single video featuring it on youtube
>fireballs galore
>https://youtu.be/WA9V0roB82I?t=56
don't tell me you wouldn't

>>16507718
Fuck no

Rotards are fucking gross and not even engiens

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>>16504776
christ

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>>16507324
NA350? So you can get more power out of a 350ci V8 then a 244ci L6? What do you mean by this?

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Cosworth DFV

>>16508117

Naturally Aspirated Chevy 350. It's a smaller engine once you factor in the fuckoff huge length on the straight 6 plus the turbo junk needed to make it's pathetic power.

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you guys are cute

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You're all wrong.

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Toot toot.

>>16508247
cute toyota

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>>16508246
Nice engine, is it meant for cute girls?

>>16507324
This. While I wouldn't say the Barra is junk, it's definitely not a brilliant engine as a lot of inline 6 faggot fanboys here would like to believe. It is brilliant in the sense that it's the hero engine Ford Aus needed at the time, and were able to develop with what they had access to. They managed to drag "Grandpa's Axe" kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
There isn't really any science behind it, it's a relatively large capacity engine with factory boost.
>>16508117
Well for one a 350 Chev can make a hell of a lot more power in proportion to its capacity.

>>16507629
As much as I love the 300ci ferd I've got, that thing is badass.

>>16508342
Wut?

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>>16508429
A Chevy 350 doesn't come from the factory with a Turbo DOHC and VCT. Also give me a Miami V8 any day of the week rather than a piston slapping Chevy

>>16508698
>A Chevy 350 doesn't come from the factory with a Turbo DOHC and VCT.

And yet it still puts out more power.

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I love my LP9 GM high feature engine in my NG Saab 9-5.

>>16508342

Lotus Carlton.

Try hard.

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>>16504637
>ford 250
a comfy engine from XC-XE before fuel injection yet retained the nice appearance of carburetion and snorkel air filters. Not the best, but a alright engine to live with

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>>16508429
Also no it doesnt make more power for capacity: LS1=45kw/L N/A Barra=48kw/L LS6=53kw/L Barra325T=81kw/L (more with overboost). Back to the thread topic there is no six that provides the bang for your buck of the Barra. The only drawback is the unfavorable bore/stroke which limits max revs but im pretty sure some tuning houses have built destroked 3.2L Barras

>>16508709
So a Viper V10 is superior to a Chevy 350 as it produces more power? Retard logic. The only advantage of a Chevy 350 as it has a running oil change so you just have to top up a litre of oil every morning.

>>16508698
I never said it did, and if you actually took the time to read my reply, you'll see I make note of that as the Ford six's greatest strength.
>>16508906
>Also no it doesnt make more power for capacity
I think you're missing what I'm saying and wrongly presuming the LS1 is either a 350 or the THE 350 we're talking about, but the point still stands for that too.
And I wasn't talking about the way they come factory tuned, but it's also worth noting the flagship factory LS1 was rated at 52.6hp/L.
I was talking about the design constraints of the 4L six which limit it to make power under its own breath. As the other anon said, it's only worth a damn with a gob full of boost, and even then you're stuck with an overweight, slow revving engine.

>>16508906
And also
>Back to the thread topic there is no six that provides the bang for your buck of the Barra
I indirectly make note of that too with Ford Aus able to make do with what they had. But if you're not in Aus, there's a plethora of other sixes that represent better value for money.
And then if you start destroking, you're still stuck with a tall deck block, and then you're stuck with the physical capacity of a theoretical 3.2, so while it may rev harder, you'd have to rev it almost 8000rpm anyway to even flow the same a 4L version would at its standard 6000rpm rev limit anyway.

>>16504033

3800

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Nothing can compete

>>16508709
Yeah it doesn't
Unless you are talking super modified in which case there is an 8 second Street legal Barra...

>>16509131
Australia has access to beat sixes in the world
Rb and jz out the ass, hemi 265 for baby boomers, and Barra for people who want shit loads of cheap and reliable power
No one has it any better... at all

>>16504071
That's not an ecotec, the exhaust port spacing is all wrong. It's a Buick 3800. And to say the ecotec wasn't a great motor is just plain stupid. They go forever, never overheat and if you do manage to pop one you can quite literally pick up a complete running engine for $50 and swap it over in afternoon. That's a hell of a lot more than you can say for the alloytec.

>>16504042
Yet to see that boat anchor truck engine make over 1000hp without being opened :^)
2jz a king

>>16504856
Untill it comes time to do a top tune on it.

Also they all leak from everywhere.

>>16509284
I wasn't saying otherwise, but sure.

>>16509131
>But if you're not in Aus, there's a plethora of other sixes that represent better value for money
Name a single one that cant be had in Australia.

More JZ ins Australia than the states, WAAAAY more RBs, and no matter what you think, the barra is hands down the best bang for buck power house l6 you can get. Fuck, it even puts the chebby v8s in commodores to fucking shame in that regard.

The barra will put a 2000kg boat down the 1/4 in 11.05 at 126mph, factory turbo and e85...

>>16509528
meant for >>16509442

>>16504033
>>oh wait you cant.
cummins 6bt
cummins isx15
cummins isx12
cummins n14
cummins ism
cat c15
cat c12
detroit dd15
detroit dd13
paccar mx13
literally just named 10 off the top of my head
if i don't have to put any effort in it's a pretty shit effort desu senpai baka

>>16506506
You know good and goddamn well he means ft*lb. tq is easier to type, and "torque" is easier to say than "foot pounds" or "pound feet." Since he already specified the American measurement system (by using hp, not kW) there's only one applicable torque measurement. Unless you think he meant slug-in/min^2.

>>16504960
What is that gear next to the distributors gear on the cam? Choke?

>>16509528
Sorry, I see what you're saying. I'll take the liberty to backpedal and correct myself, "there's a plethora of other sixes that are ultimately more capable".
You're right in the sense that value for money, the XR6 Turbo is hard to beat. But again, that's not due to packing a brilliant motor, but a brilliant combination of a relatively large motor with factory forced induction.

Again, I agree that it's the hero car Ford Australia needed at a time when the incoming V8 was a mismatched joke (Cobra heads on another slow revving truck bottom end), and they were able to develop said hero car within the means and constraints they had.

I'll also add that if I wanted a fullsize compliant performance sedan that doubled as a street/strip monster without breaking the bank, the XR6T would be one of my first choices.

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>>16504033
Slant Six

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Don't mind me just passing through

AMC 4.0
LDT-465
LDS-465
6-71
Whew, that was fucking tough.

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i'll just leave this here....

>>16504033

S54 engine

>>16509638
Oil pump.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

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>>16509672
I never understood the logic behind the BOSS 260/290. Isn't the whole point of a OHC engine the ability to rev yet the 5.4 is long stroke which limits its revving. Why not go a 4.6 with alloy block DOHC and a blower

>>16510088
Heh, the only point of the 5.4 "Boss" motor wasn't much more than marketing. At the time when Ford Australia was coming to the end of Windsor supply, the only obvious V8 option was going to be the 4.6 Modular. Fearing it'd be too hard to try marketing a 4.6 against Australia's then new appreciation for 5.7 litre Gen 3 V8, they simply raided the US parts bin and came up with the Boss.
I guess as technically flawed as the Boss was, the XR8 and renewed GT models remained good sellers, but the Boss's technical flaws are kind of similar to the Barra, in the sense it can make an awful lot of power with forced induction, but it's not too impressive without it (although as we discussed previously, the not so technically brilliant Barra was sold with the brilliant combination of a factory turbocharged model).

At least the last 4 or so years, Ford brought us that delicious 5.0 Coyote with a Supercharger to make up the lack of capacity against the Commodores.

>>16510088
Also, I agree with you. I feel the 4.6 with a factory blower would've been a miles better option and from memory was an option Ford Aus looked at, but they must have deemed it more financially viable to create the parts bin Boss. At least they saw the error of their ways :D

>>16509895

6-71 is a good plant, but 92 Silvers have them beat.

Good man.

>>16510167
>>16510177
I'm not much of a commodore/falcon guy, but judging by the guys hooning past me, always thought the boss sounded better

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>>16510177
SVT already had the Terminator 4.6L DOHC supercharged engine producing 290kw how hard was it for them to drop that in a Falcon.

>>16510235
Pretty damned hard considering that Termi engines were hand built using non-factory parts and was at least $10k per engine when it was released

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>>16504033

>>16510194

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/5952270746.html

So hard not to buy this fucker.

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>>16511548
>The F engine block, crankshaft and lower end assembly is loosely based on the 1939-63 G.M.C. L6 OHV 235 engine but with a taller deck (rather than the similar but smaller Chevrolet 1937-63 Gen-2 L6 OHV engine), and built under license. The cylinder head and combustion chamber is derived from the Chevrolet L6 OHV "stovebolt" engine, slightly scaled up.

Toyota is so shit. They couldnt even design their own engine in 1955. All they could do was copy a Chevy engine. Some things never change. Why is Toyota so shit? Why do they need to spend 3.5B USD each year to hide it?

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>>16507816
>>16507496
>as long as it isn't in a Dodge

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>>16504033

>>16510194
As long as we agree on the 2 stroke superiority, then were good. Love the 6v92's. Had the 8v92's in the HEMTT's

Im just a sucker for the 6-71. Stayed in production for longer than AMC even existed.

>>16512197
They're not much of a performance brand. They just throw everything they know works into a shitbox and sell it like hotcakes because it's reliable (until they fuck up the electronics)

Meanwhile, other brands actually experiment and sometimes fail, so normies say "wow, unreliable, get a corolla"