What's the verdict?

>FCA

>>16501962
>not look like a fgt
>fiat rebadge
You're beyond help

>>16501971

Excellent point.

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>>16501962
Heavier than Miata
Bigger than Miata
More expensive than Miata
Uglier than Miata
Less reliable than Miata
Not as fun to drive as Miata

Id take it over the Miata any day of the week

at least it isnt ugly and turbos are much better for power and driving fun imo

You are already a faggot for buying an inferior vehicle just because you fear what a stranger is going to think about you.

Hey fags, its basically a miata

Largely based on the fourth generation Mazda MX-5 roadster and manufactured alongside it at Mazda's Hiroshima plant,[3][4] the 124 shares its platform, mechanicals, interior, top mechanism and windshield with the MX-5, while featuring a Fiat-engineered and manufactured turbocharged Multiair engine, unique exterior styling and slightly increased length and cargo capacity over the MX-5.

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>>16501962
nigger what?

the 124 is literally worse in every way than the miata & will definitely make you look like a faggot.

>single cam
>autistic 240z ripoff design
>fca reliability
>heavier
>more expensive
>all these drawbacks for an inferior vehicle

>>16502866
>fca reliability

it's a fucking mazda you spastic, it's build alongside the mx-5 in hiroshima

>>16502866
> He thinks the angry head lamps and retarded smile of the MX5 looks good

>>16502866
>he drives a miata

>>16502866
>single cam
>implying this is a bad thing

>>16502341
>More expensive than Miata
no.
>Uglier than Miata
no.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wFuuAfYdnw

>>16502874
Engine is from FCA.

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>>16502866
>autistic 240z ripoff design
>this is a bad thing

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>>16502866
it doesnt look like an autistic retard like the Miata and its better overall

it also isnt embarrassing to say you have one

>>16501962
the 124 is pure sex...not anime pillow sex, not dude on dude anal crushing sex, not sticking fragile glass jars up your butt sex, not butch bitch with a giant strap on in your blown out and over stretched butt either.

/o/ hates it.

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>>16503001
>number steering
>slower in every single way, from 0-60 to around a track
>heavier
>turbolag out the ass

>better overall

>>16503078
>muh heavier
its still light as fuck m8
>slower
its still pretty quick m8
>numb steering
its has the same steering as the miata m8

You want to know why the 124 is better. Its getting a hard top coupe version.
>inb4 it will be even heavier
Fuck mazda and stay mad faggot.

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>>16503101
So its still better even though its worse in every way
Lmao you're the only mad person here

>>16503101
So what's the benefit if it's heavier and slower? You just proved his point

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>>16503126
heavy means stronk and reliable

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>>16503123
>>16503126
I never said it was better.

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>>16503147
Me too

>>16502866
>240z ripoff
Have you ever seen a 240z?

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>>16503101
>Fuck mazda and stay mad faggot.
>124 is a mazda

verdict:
>abarth >>>> base
>get a tune
>don't buy it brand new, wait a year for depreciation to hit super hard

>>16501962
I think you'll still look like a faggot.

Turbo engine is a lot better.

>>16502341
>Heavier than Miata
Yes, but not significantly. Does not affect performance.
>Bigger than Miata
Yes, but not significantly. Does not affect performance.
>More expensive than Miata
No.
>Uglier than Miata
Nice opinion you've got there.
>Less reliable than Miata
Build by Mazda, except for the reliable 1.4 T-jet.
>Not as fun to drive as Miata
Nice opinion you've got there.

>>16502866
>>single cam
Functions like DOHC if you know your engineering. Actually has VVL, unlike the Mazda.
>>autistic 240z ripoff design
Nice opinion you've got there.
>>fca reliability
Build by Mazda, except for the reliable 1.4 T-jet.
>>heavier
Yes, but not significantly. Does not affect performance.
>>more expensive
No.
>>all these drawbacks for an inferior vehicle
I'd consider them both equal, and let the styling sort it out. I personally prefer the Fiat styling, and I dislike the ND. However, I do realise that between the two designs, they'll have 90% of the market cornered with an excellent set of roadsters.

>>16501971
>Built by Mazda

>>16502970
And it's the most reliable thing FCA has made so far.

>>16503078
>>number steering
Identical to ND.
>>slower in every single way, from 0-60 to around a track
[citation needed], Motortrend tested them as identical.
>>heavier
Yes, but not significantly. Does not affect performance.
>>turbolag out the ass
Which compensates for the fact that it has a powerband literally twice as big as the ND.

>>16503973
>Which compensates for the fact that it has a powerband literally twice as big as the ND.
Let me clarify this a bit:

124 makes
>160hp @ 5500RPM
>184lbft @ 2500RPM
This makes for a 3000RPM powerband.

ND makes
>155 @ 6000RPM
>148ftlbs @ 4600RPM
This makes for a 1400RPM powerband - half the size of the 124's. Also, it's down 36ftlbs compared to the 14, almost 20%.

They're about equal in terms of power, but the 124 has superior torque output and powerband. This compensates the turbo lag beautifully.

>>16501962
It gives me a boner every time I see it and it's similar to a Miata performance-wise. But Miata cost 25k Euros here while the Abarth cost 40k Euros... Almost twice...

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Also sound. This thing (especially the Abarth) sounds amazing.
Sound and design -something only Italians can do properly.

>>16504738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovv12s3FEvU
Abarth's sound's amazing, color scheme is breautiful, and overall it looks better than the Miata, but it costs €40k (€44,4k full optional). It's €10k more expensive than the most expensive Miata.

>>16501962

It's a Miata that won't make others question your sexual orientation. Of course /o/ fucking hates it and everything it stands for.

>>16503986
The power-band difference is more than you make out because the 3000rpm is a greater proportion of 5500rpm than 1400 is of 6000. (65% or the range from idle to peak power rather than 27% assuming a 900rpm idle)

The MX5 is always in turbo lag mode.

>>16503391
I think anon was referring to the fact mazda wont put a hardtop on the miata and fiat is.

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>>16505122
>the fact mazda wont put a hardtop on the miata and fiat is
>what is the Mazda MX 5 RF
I think it looks better than the soft top.

>>16505415
>>what is the Mazda MX 5 RF
Heavy
Ugly
Slow

>>16505415
and I thought the normal Miata was ugly

thats awful

>>16505415
So pretty, but I want a damn hard top, not a fancy targa.

>>16505415
>I think it looks better than the soft top.
i can see it

>>16505415
Is this thing confirmed for production? Mazda has been teasing a miata coupe for decades and haven't had the balls to actually go through with it.

>>16505419
>heavy
Around 150 pounds heavier
>ugly
Opinion
>Slow
Still faster than the 124

>>16505427
>thats awful
What do you have against fluent lines?

>>16505433
>but I want a damn hard top, not a fancy targa
You have no choice. It's either this, or the soft top.

>>16505443
>Is this thing confirmed for production?
Yes.
>Mazda has been teasing a miata coupe
This isn't a coupé: it's a targa.

>>16505443
It's already on the roads

>>16505456
the lines are awful

so horribly proportioned it looks like a kit car

>>16501962
That color scheme is absolutely retarded

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>>16503986
>>16505077
peak numbers don't tell the whole story
lower lines is stock numbers for the 124

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>>16505462
>the lines are awful
>After twho hundred thousand hours in paint

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>>16505546
and here's the ND
while the "powerband" is larger on the 124, the shaping of the ND's bands allows for more usable power (imo)

>>16503101
>You want to know why the 124 is better. Its getting a hard top coupe version.
so is the miata, dumbass

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>>16501962
>How do I drive a roadster without looking like a faggot?
By being a woman or not driving a roadster.

>>16505570
>>16505460
>>16505456
>>16505415

>This isn't a coupé: it's a targa.

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>>16505556
If you overlaid those two, you'd get something like this.

The 124 has a bigger powerband, more usable power (especially down low - great for DD), and the ND has 500 extra RPM, and no turbo lag. In practical terms, they're so close that the driver will determine which one is faster.

>>16502866
>autistic 240z ripoff design
WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?
How can it be a rip off of the 240z when it's based on the old 124.
The 240z front is the rip-off of the original 124.

>>16505597
Ok.. He asked if >>16505415 was in production, and I said it was already on the roads.

>>16505415

I wish they would have made the RF a T-top.

Simpler, lighter, more reliable.

Imagine that, just unlatch some latches and pull the roof off, stow it in the trunk sort of like the old Del Sol.

I like the concept, I like the way it looks, I just can't abide by the un-necessary complication of a fancy retracting roof. The whole idea of a Miata was minimal gadgets for minimal weight, which meant you could still have fun with minimal engine.

>>16501962
The multiair turbo motor is an unreliable chuck of shit.

>>16505602
the main advantage of the ND is torque from idle to 2600RPM (ish), and the top 500 RPM like you said. both cars should be about the same in terms of overall speed, but daily driving the ND will be easier with the better lower torque band (ie. where you drive when not hooning) as well as better real world milage.

keep in mind this is from a guy who:
>Owns an ND, has driven a 124.
>Prefers N/A motors in general
>likes the looks of the ND over the 124
>muh weight savings

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>muh too heavy
this is like shitloads heavier car than both miata and 124,but its still a lot better.

>>16505656
It's a completely different car.

>>16505651
also as a side note, do you think a twin scroll turbo would make the 124's band better?

>>16505666
no, twin scrolls are just a dank meme

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>>16501962
There is only 1 true roadster.

>>16505678
thats not a roadster and its the ugliest BMW ever made

>>16505556
The shape of those power abnds clearly shows more usable porer for the 124 at just about any engine speed.

>>16505678
That is not a roadster.

>>16505682
>>16505689
Sunroof is open top enough to make it a roadster IMO

>>16505698
no

>>16505698

1. Google what 'roadster' means
2. Stop posting.
3. Neck yourself.
4. ???
5. Profit.

>>16505588
>BRZ is still slower and heavier than a miata
Nice try

>>16505651
124 gets better mileage offboost(off throttle), so I'd say they're pretty well-matched in terms of DD.

I'd say you're biased, but who cares. Fiat and Mazda have got you covered for every possible roadster, turbo or n/a, retro or modern. It's a great time to live in.

>>16505666
There's not much to improve though. The only thing that would happen with a nice twin scroll VGT is that you could go for a bigger turbo - so an identical looking powerband, just with more power.

>>16505806
what's this? an anon who doesn't agree with me yet isn't acting like a raging faggot? we truly live in a golden age. Spool on, turbro.

1.4t in the Fiat can be built to reliably handle 300hp. Dont know about the Miata. But that is fucking cool.

>>16505832
hell just a tune can get them close to 200hp

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>>16505746
Right on one count.

fiat should put the 1.7 turbo from the 4c into the 124

>>16505891
That would probably eat into the 4C demographic.

I REALLY like the fiata styling. Miatas deserve fastback tops but I wouldn't change a thing about the 124

Either car I get I'd really rather rip the engine out of though.

>>16501962
>What's the verdict?
This car will get the driver pussy. Girl pussy.

>>16506009
>Girl pussy.
Fucking dropped.

>>16505873
>no torque
>>16506009
>Girl pussy
nah

>>16505698
It is not a roadster.

>>16506059
More than the Miata.

>>16505873
>price
within margin of financing
>passenger/cargo volume
the fuck are you using a sports car for?
>laptime
of what track?

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>>16506032

>>16506320
>financing
On a budget car. Fuckoff poorfag if you can't drop that in cash you don't deserve to live.

>of what track?
VIR acording to this wounderous new website called google. I think you may want to give it a try it could become huge if people learn how to use it.

>>16504711
Ok, I have been investigating and there is a Fiat Version and an Abarth Version. The Fiat 124 cost more or less like the Miata and seems cool as fuck. And we Europeans can import it from Italy with no problems. I think I like it more than the Miata, maybe I will buy one someday since they are not very expensive.

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>>16501962
What's the verdict?

>>16506571
>>16504711
Sadly the abarth doesnt really offer anything more over the base 124.

>>16506650
Only great appearance to be honest. Fiat is better quality-price wise. But if somebody has the money to spare it really looks better than most cars I have seen.

>>16506650
It offers a better color scheme, 30 more HP, Bilstein shocks, Brembo brakes, and a self-locking differential.

>tfw I was checking these informations and I discovered the Abarth costs only 2500$ more than the regular version, while in Italy it costs 12500€ (13387$) more.

Fucking fiat, it has been cheating italians since its inception, and it keeps doing it today.

>>16506847
>tfw I was checking these informations and I discovered the Abarth costs only 2500$ more than the regular version, while in Italy it costs 12500€ (13387$) more.
That sounds like bullshit to me. Do you have a proof to back that affirmation? Because if it's true Fiat is a fucking scam

>>16506847
>30 more HP
no mate, its only four more hp

>>16506939
>Abarth 124 Spider
>125kW @5500rpm
>250Nm @2500rpm

>Fiat 124 Spider
>103kW @5000rpm
>240Nm @2250rpm

Checked these figures now in the official site.

>>16506993
Well in the US its only four horsepower.

The Abarth is too expensive even if your plan is to just chip it and dial the boost up a bit.
It would make sense as an 'easy power' car were it cheaper.