/classic car general/ - /ccg/ Hyfire edition >Post your

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Might as well repost some old garbage to get the thread going

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Send me monies so I can do a 4.1 stroker and build the trans.

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>>16501936
>custom rumbleseat

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>>16501945
you need these valve covers

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>>16501952
I remember this seized piece of shit very well.

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Is Datsun allowed in here?

>>16501969
that must be a cunt to tune.

>>16501955
Yes I do.

>tfw no money to do the full build I want but the transmission is "slipping like a bitch"

Should I just get a regular rebuild or build the trans as if it's getting 600whp?

>>16502003
what trans are you planning on rebuilding?

>>16502021
The stock 200-4R

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>>16502021

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bumpin in new thread

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I'd post this in qtddtot but I think you guys are more knowledgable.
Anyone know what this is? It kind of looks like a duster from the back but it's 4 doors. I can't quite make out what brand it is from the pic.

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Hello friends

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>>16502742
Suhhh dude.

>>16502594
sry meant to say it looks like a Chevelle not a duster

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Orale vato

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>>16502770
Ayy it's kit kat. How's the winter treating your cars?

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>>16502832
Now that I have a heater, super good in the truck. The Acura is a beast in snow. Trucks been good though, I bought a motorcycle and the truck ride better with 500lbs in the bed

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What vehicle would give you the most bragging rights in this general?

>>16503046
1964 Pontiac Banshee

>>16503046
>>16503053
btw, there's literally one for sale in Connecticut. 1 of 2 built. $750,000 if you want it. Pontiac SOHC I6.

>>16503046
Hemi cuda convertible.

>>16503080
Convertable a shit. Especially on muscle cars.

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>>16502886
Ah, nice. I drive a 2wd white ford in the winter. Wisconsin salt is a killer to cars. Was thinking of putting a spare 460 i got in the bed for traction. Tarped up of course. Pic is spare 460

>>16502594
Plz help

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>>16503046
69 Charger Daytona or a 70 Superbird. Or maybe a Plymouth GTX... Too hard to choose.

>>16503098
why not drop the 460 in the ol ferd?

>>16502594
>>16503159
i'm trying to figure it out. it's definitely not a chevelle or duster. not a mopar rear end.

>>16503205
Thanks. Let me know if you find something.

>>16503215
i was thinking it looked kinda like a 71 impala, but that's not it. do you have any more photos? it's not a small car, def a big boat

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>>16503205
the closest I found so far is a 1976 Pontiac LeMans

It looks to be something from mid-70s GM. My money's on a Pontiac or Oldsmobile.

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>>16503223
it looks like the last letter of the trunk decals is a T, so i'm looking at chevys

>pic related is me RN

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>>16502594
Kind of reminds me of a Firebird rear end, with the tail lights. No clue what it could be though

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>>16503223
>>16503230
Here's the only other picture I've got of the thing. It definitely looks like it says Chevrolet on the back and it kinda looks like the side has a badge that looks mildly like the Chevelle's. Stumped too but thanks for the effort. The door line also looks like chevelle.

>>16503241
I know for a fact the black car next to it is an Oldsmobile Intrigue.

>>16503046
Convertibles are excellent famalam

>>16503098
Rip frame. At least they use dirt in Denver.

At least here, 3 or 4 days after a snow the road are good enough that you can drive on them.

>>16503241
It's bugging me now, I can't seem to find what it is

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>>16503241
those have to be aftermarket lights. it's a 70 chevelle.

>>16503244
You are right. If only we could figure out the white barge. It might be an olds since the dude who owns it looks to be an olds enthusiast.

>>16503257
is it?? fuck it doesn't look the same now that i'm looking at it

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>>16503265
maybe it's a cutlass supreme? i can't fucking tell man. the bodystyles on the cutty and the chevelle are so similar but i can't make out the god damned tail lights

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>>16503257
Can't be, look at the differences here

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>>16503251
Looks like>>16503257
got it the closest. Still, rear end is different but doors and rest of body is the same. Still, weird.

Thanks for the help lads.

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>>16503282
i'll keep looking man, this is really going to bug me now

>>16503282
Actually this is the closest>>16503273
if you look at the rear door but Just the rear is different, it's an Oldsmobile of some sort

>>16503282
nevermind that looks pretty close too.
Maybe this is some kind of aftermarket tail lights on it? I can't seem to find anything with those lights

>>16503191
What car this is?

>>16503294
1972 Chrysler 300/New Yorker

>>16503293
right? i can't fucking tell. it's a 70 oldsmobile cutlass. i can tell you that. but i can't find ANYTHING with those tail lights.

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>>16503314
or a chevelle, whatever the fuck this is. god damned gm rackin my brain at 12 at night

also beg my pardon for the repeated broken up posts, always bad for that

>>16503326
>>16503293
Lmao thanks for trying lads.
In a few days I might be able to see the car in person so hopefully I'll get an aswer. I'm pretty sure is some kind of olds but I'll let y'all know.

>>16503307
Chrysler did not make a 300 in 1972.

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>>16503334
please do, it's really bugging me

>>16503347
new yorker then, woops. it's late

>>16503354
kek at the barge

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>>16503279
>someone just posted it in a facebook group i'm in! it's a 1969 canadian Pontiac Beaumont

>>16503354
>>16503382
That's how I felt parking my truck in a standard garage. There was about 6 inches in front of the truck, and 8 inches in the back of the truck.

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>>16503409
my previous car was this 79 coupe deville, that thing was a fucking monster and stuck out just about anywhere I parked it. man, i miss doing 120 on the highway in that bitch getting stares from people as this big ass land barge just flew past them

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>>16503406
I did, that's me dude, lol
I figured the folks in Great American Landbarge would know.

It's a 68/69 Pontiac Beaumont guys

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>>16503423
i thought it was kind of a weird coincidence, i just happened to check my facebook and there it was. i guess we couldn't find it cause it was canadian, i totally forgot to think about cars powered by maple syrup

>>16503438
Even as a Canadian, I never think of the Canada only cars cause they are generally rarer and not as well known

>>16503406
Bingo! Looks 80% identical save for the back up lights and the fact that mine has 2 taillight strips instead of 3. I'll confirm in a few days but well done!

>>16503444
>>16503443
>>16503438
>>16503423
Oops I'm slow. Thanks! I might consider picking this up if it's the V8. Is it complete trash?

>>16503419
I'm genuinely jealous, that's one of my favorite cars I've ever encountered. The truest definition of "slab"

>>16503451
No clue, but generally Pontiacs can be trusted

>>16503451
Oh, here as one guy said in the facebook post I made
" It was a Chevelle with different taillights and a Pontiac styled grill."

>>16503477
>>16503466
Cool. I'll check it out soon since I want to get into /cc/ and muscle cars on the cheap. Will keep posted.

>>16503456
425 and turbo 400 3 speed. good god that thing was my favorite car i've owned yet. even at over 100 mph that thing still floated. i had to get rid of it for cheap as hell because the frame was swiss cheese and i didn't notice it when i got it.

>>16503466
my pontiac should be rolling off the delivery truck here within this next week. hype.

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>>16503423
I desperately want this rear end stuck to the rest of a 1969 Coronet.

>>16503509
What cars do you own?
>Mfw looking up coupe DeVilles on Craigslist
Fug tyrone

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>>16503525
more like what cars HAVE i owned...
first car was a 77 Dodge B200 Maxi Van. (Pic related) 360/727
2nd was an 02 Ram 1500, 5.9 magnum
3rd was the glorious land barge of a Caddy
and now as my name suggests I'm buying AdVentura's 1976 Pontiac Ventura, engine swapped in from a 95 caprice highway patrol car

also yeah, I unfortunately sold my DeVille to Tyrone for way less than I paid for it (bought for 1300, sold for 600 due to the frame) and i cringe at the thought of my beautiful baby having big ass rims on her...

>>16503525
here's a bunch of caddys near me
http://mansfield.craigslist.org/search/cto?query=cadillac+deville&max_auto_year=1979

>>16503538
>>16503546
This is the faith of your vehicle.

https://youtu.be/dGxN_YCTqLs

>>16503553
Fate*

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>>16503553
please do not remind me of such horrors.
my love for cadillacs started when i was a little kid, my grandpa had an 85 sedan brougham in burgundy and it was the best fucking thing. my grandma gave me the original key after he passed away. i'm normally not spiritual, but when i bought my cadillac i thought i could feel him sitting next to me smiling, i fucking regret selling it so much. i thought it wasn't going to make it through the winter with the frame, and i didn't have anywhere to put it. turns out that winter, surprise, never came, and i could have kept it and fixed it.

>>16503553
>>16503575
More like https://youtu.be/FqT2uOa1-d0 since a basketball american isn't going to fix a damn thing on the underside.

>>16503575
Go out and try to get it back, dude. Tyrone can't keep it forever.
I know they're hard to hold onto, but if you ever get it back, keep it.
The only dude who's gonna treat your car as nice as you want them to, is yourself.

>>16503279
>>16503257
>>16503241
It's a Beaumont. Canadian GM marque

>>16503633
Yeah we figured it out, just took a bit

>>16503644
Oh.
Yeah I see that now lol
Sorry.

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>>16503618
told myself i'm going to buy another one. i'm wanting to get a 60s sedan deville. tyrone has probably already snapped the frame in half trying to donk my old car out. i want a 59/60 because of those big ass fins on the back. this car embodies the word class to me

>>16503657
Wow the windshield and pillarless side windows are actually stunning.
Instant death in a rollover has never been this beautiful. I mean look at those a pillars.

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>>16503672
by god if i die in one of those bitches I will die luxuriously! Witness me!

>>16503347
>>16503377
"The slow selling 300 series (non-letter car version) was discontinued at the end of the 1971 model run and was essentially replaced by the base New Yorker series, which itself was replaced by the New Yorker Brougham series."
- American Cars 1960-1972 - Every Model Year By Year

>>16503080
This. Though I don't understand the appeal of the convertible, I'm obsessed with the normal version.

Too bad a rusted out frame is 15k around here.

>>16503696
yea beg my pardon for my outburst on that, i'm dissatisfied with myself as a mopar fan for that one

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>>16503706
Same about hard tops. They fit the muscle style so much better. Only exception is T-tops.

>>16503706
Normies and myself like the wind in your hair. It's really nice. Most people and myself don't care at all about torsional rigidity.

There are a handful of cars where a convertible is a lot of fun; personally, I hate the look of most of them, but the feel is unique.

Try renting a V8 convertible to get the idea.

>>16504677
Not him, don't care about that either, just think it looks meaner with a hard top. With a convertible you're all exposed, sort of like you're in a parade float or something to me.

>>16504769
I think the look is fine. A 66 mustang convertible looks better than the notch but not as good as the fastback. I grew up riding in them in California though so I'm very fond of the experience

>>16504792
Ah, yeah, South Dakota and Michigan here, that probably explains it.

>>16504803
Hell even in Denver they're great. We get 300 days of sunshine here. You'll be fine with the top down and the heater on down to about 30 degrees because of how dry it is. Most of the country though, humidity is the real mother fucker.

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Is my 83 s10 blazer a classic car?

>>16504831
Put a stud in that front hub god damn

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>>16504769
>mean
when will this die

>>16504887
Probably never

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>>16504903
a lifetime of suffering

Hey /ccg/ what muscle car looks the meanest?

>>16504921
2016 Camry

>>16502594
>>16502594
Its a 68/69 Beaumont

Pontiac's Chevelle in Canada

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Post things that trigger you

>>16506134
>A little bit of rust in a core plug hole
Wire brush it out, slather some No. 2 Permatex (or 518) in there, and slap a brass core plug in it.

>>16506198
Go be an assmad vape fanboi somewhere else

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>>16503191
I already did :^)

>>16503248
Yeah, I wish they would use something that's a little less homicidal to cars.

how much power can be coaxed from a non-stroker 383?

>>16507628
I'm assuming you're talking about the Dodge 383. I think they had one at about 500 hp on engine masters.

>>16508127
Yeah, i've always heard the 383 is a dog and that even a 360 is better but that can't be correct.

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The 390 and c6 are now in the garage, They're both original to my galaxie. The 250 and c4 are original to my maverick. The 390/c6 I plan on rebuilding for when the current engine in the galaxie bites the dust sometime down the road.

The 250/c4 is for??????

Maybe a go kart?

Maybe a home generator build?

Maybe run it on three cylinders, with the other three supplying an air tank? Sort of like the old timers did with flatheads.

Gimmie ideas.

>>16508194
that's pretty damn high displacement for stationary power.

Put it in a sand rail or something.

>>16508207
it was rated at 80hp, brand new, back in 77

>>16508216
is that with emissions or just low compression?
BTW

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i think ive finally settled on what im gonna do with this for now. i was on the fence on performance upgrades for this 302 or keeping it bone stock and swapping in a larger CID later on.

shooting for the performance parts for now.

ive a bit more left to work on, but it runs like a dream for the most part

so where should i start - intake/carb, heads, cam?

whats the typical stroking most people do with these or

am i better off just doing the swap and going from there


ALSO id

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>>16508267
DIDNT FINISH THE POST

>>16508252
Both

>>16508252
both.

>>16508295
>>16508298
Fuckin environment.

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>>16508252
Both. It's only 250ci, coupled with 8:1 compression and extremely poorly flowing intake ports, an integral cast "log" manifold(which is similarly poorly flowing, along with poor fuel distribution), a 1 bbl carb, extremely poor flowing exhaust ports and exhaust manifold.

Also a retarded to fuck camshaft, literally and figuratively.

oh yeah, and you can't forget the very early, very inefficient, power killing, choked up to all fuck cats down the exhaust stream too.

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>tfw waiting for a ring compressor from summit so I could rape my piston rings open
Also need some head gaskets and CHYNA special head studs. I wouldn't have taken the thing apart if the plug from cyl #1 wasn't totally decimated (broken insulator and center electrode was up against the inner wall of the plug KEK)

I think I might skip out on the cam for now, and maaaybe the springs too, not comfortable with skipping springs though. My plan is to get the motor running, then get it in the car, get it running IN the car then T U R B O.

Once I do all of that I'll do cam and springs then get it tuned. I thought about doing the cam and springs since I tore the motor apart but decided against it because budget.

>>16508349
Sixes can be tuned goodly but it's easier to just v8 swap, shame really.

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>>16508354
Ya might wanna go ahead and do the springs while the motor is apart and out of the car. Pulling heads while the engine is in the car just to change springs only really takes a day, but it's back breaking and generally a sucky job.


The instructions said I can't run the dampeners while the cam is being broken in.... Shit sucked.

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>>16508354
But cam and springs sucks to do when the engine is in the car though

>>16508371
Before I completely fucked the 250 over I really, really wanted to buy that one aftermarket head for $2k from classic inlines.


Then the day came I spun a bearing. Now I'm just going to do a 460 swap.

>>16508207
>that's pretty damn high displacement for stationary power.
It's perfect for stationary power dumbass. Big, heavy, overbuilt, understressed, will run for decades at mid-load.

>put it in a sand rail or something
kek yeah that's a great idea, put something that weighs 3x as much as a VW flat four in a sand rail with barely any more power.

>>16508354
>so I could rape my piston rings open

Wait what?

>>16508373
>>16508378
I've done both before, cam is gay to install in the car but doing springs is no problem

The only part I hate about doing a cam is draining the fucking rad, but its fun though so I don't really mind, and I'll get bored if it only took an hour to change springs/cam with the engine on a stand

>>16508465
Gotta gap em so the rings don't close up and explode everything

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>>16508354
take a fucking look at this beast, here's the offending spark plug

>>16508521
On a related note, one of my co-workers had 3 plugs break on him while working on the dreaded 5.4 Triton.
Dumbest Ford design ever

>>16508273
That's a fucking great shot my dude

>>16508599
like the usual snapping the plug in half or like the pic?

>>16508610
one of them, the ceramic snapped right off at the threads and stayed in, one had the tip break off and I'm not sure what the last one looked like

Aside from driving stick, how do I make my classic car impervious to theft by hotwire happy basketball americans?

>>16508599

Why is it the design fault?

>>16509081
hidden kill switch.

>>16509081
remove negative terminal from battery.

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>>16509086
When special tools had to be designed to remove broken plugs, it's a shit design

>>16509081
>driving stick
beaners can still drive it.

>>16509081

Pull the distributor coil wire.

>>16509108
True. Ford should have stuck with ohv...

>>16509081
Disassemble the car.

>>16509108

That looks like a plug problem...
Is it a head problem?

>>16509126
It's a problem with the heads. Ford V8's, particularly the modular engines, are known for it.

>>16509126
It's a plug and a head problem.
https://www.bigclassaction.com/lawsuit/ford-spark-plugs-lawsuit-defective-spark-plugs-class.php

>>16509133

I've heard about it, even with the V10 or especially the V10 but I've never had a real time conversation about what the issue is.
If its the 5.4, so those Shelby cars? The Lightning?
Head material? Plug angle?

>>16509162
It effects all Triton engines pretty much.
Some blame the design of the 2 piece plugs and the use of a aluminum cylinder heads. The plugs only use 4 thread which are also made out of a weaker aluminum that is subject to wearing down, resulting in plugs popping out.
Possibly the spark plugs were over-torqued and under-tightened during the manufacturing process. That allows the spark plugs to vibrate and wear down the aluminum threads that are used to hold them in place.

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>>16509081
get a chain and loop it through the slots of your rear wheels, if the car moves the chain will hit the driveshaft and stop the rear tires from moving

worst thing that could happen is your driveshaft gets cut in half but at least you still have your car

>>16509202
This is entirely ridiculous and way more of a pain in the ass than pulling a fuse or taking the coil ire with you when you leave the car

>>16509100
how do

>>16509140
>>16509182

Damn.
What's the removal process and tool?

>like the styling of the AMC Eagle
>don't like complexity of 4WD, plus finding parts for AMC may be difficult
>want V8, don't care about auto/manual

What cars are similar and fit the criteria?

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>>16509221
on the Identifix program we use at work, There's actually a 12 or 13 step process in which to remove the plugs, I can't remember all of them though.
>Drive vehicle until warm
>Do not remove plugs when cold
>Do not remove plugs when hot
>Only attempt removal of plugs when engine is warm
>Remove coils and blow out all of the holes with air
>Put plenty of penetrating oil into plug holes, wait 15 minutes.
>Attempt to crack plugs loose a little bit
>Put more penetration oil in holes
>If plugs loosen more, use an impact gun to get them out
>Pray to whatever deity you believe in
>Too late, you broke some

>>16509247
Retarded question, but what part of spark plugs tends to break? I've only changed them a few times and never broke any

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>>16509260

>>16509247
You forgot the part where you curse Ford's name in anguish as you fling tools about in a retard rage. It's understandable, a lot of people tend to black out around that point.

>>16509276
The fun part is when the Lisle extractor tool doesn't work, cause the electrode stayed in the broken part of the plug

>>16509247

Aahhhh, yes. I see it.
Looks like the plug hole taper is possibly wrong or the plugs were made wrong...

>>16509100
....you wire a toggle switch to the ignition, and then hide it.

>>16509394
Do you have a video of it?

>>16509229
Any 4 eyed Ford/Chevy wagon from the 80s

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>>16508267
The styling on it kind of reminds me of the '55 Chevy in that movie Two Lane Blacktop.

>>16509524
Ah two lane blacktop, cool cars; severely overrated movie. Meandering, pointless story. Unlikeable characters. It's pretty much only good for the cinematography and cars.

>>16511034
Sounds like Dukes of Hazzard 2bh

>>16511041
Nah, Dukes is a TV show, and people openly like it for nostalgia. way different case. "Car guys" worship two lane blacktop, but it is legitimately is mediocre movie and the only reason serious "car guys" like it only because it is one of maybe 3 big car-centric movies ever made which isn't cheesy retard shit like the fast and furious series.

>>16511041
Sounds like any car-centric show/movie desu.

>>16511052
Shit. Accidentally posted it while I was rephrasing

>>16511054
Gone in 60 Seconds (original), Smokey and the Bandit, and The Cannonball Run all had good plots. Or at least serviceable.

>>16511052
Honestly, Daisy's roadrunner was too young to die.

Death Proof legitimately has one of the best car chase scenes i've ever seen and the movie is just a vessel for that scene, but it doesn't pretend to be anything more than a made-for-tv-car movie.

>>16511110
>TFW you will never be able to go on a road trip with Burt Reynolds or Jerry Reed.
Y liv tho

>>16511203
>Y liv tho
Because in 20 years you can still pollute as god intended when every other vehicle on the road will be a cuck EV.

>>16511210
This is true
>my desire for an uncatalyzed exhaust system with electronic exhaust cutouts is purely to scare people/cyclists/Prius drivers at the light.

>>16511227
I will be doing the same to my Imperial after the engine rebuild.

>>16511241
>>16511227
How hard is it to rig some solenoids into your exhaust?

>>16511110
There was no theme to any of those you listed. It's all just one long car chase. A good movie has to have something other than external conflicts to be truly good

>>16511255
It's easier and probably cheaper just to buy the cutouts already made, they're getting pretty cheap nowadays.

>>16511273
Yeah, it's not like Smokey and the Bandit had a plot that they were racing the clock to deliver beer across state lines because two rich fucks made a bet on it, and there's chasing, outwitting, comedy, and just plain talking back and forth even between Bandit and Smokey. Never happened, just a car chase.

And it's not like the entire first third of Gone in 60 Seconds is about car heists or anything. Nope.

And it's not like The Cannonball Run had a plot focusing on drama/comedy between characters, especially between Burt Reynolds, Farrah Fawcett, and Dom DeLuise. Nuh uh.

Maybe actually watch the movies before replying next time, okay?

>>16511255
Honestly, I'll just buy a set of cutouts; they're pretty reasonably priced and there's no point in reinventing the wheel.

>>16511284
>getting this triggered
Read the post again senpai. I said that there is more to a great movie than external conflicts. Everything you listed is external.

>>16511241
Nice. You going to rebuild with performance parts or just factory?

>>16511255
No idea desu senpai.

>>16511309
Mild performance; better intake, larger carb, mild cam. I'm more interested in upgrading the rear end and brakes, though, as it goes pretty well as it is.

>>16511327
Don't you have a Carter thermoquad? What's bad about it?

Neat though.

>>16511342
isnt the thermoquad that one carb made of plastic?

>>16511342
Nothing's wrong with it; it's just smaller than what I'd want for a proper performance setup.

>>16511347
That was later; they were still metal in '66.

>>16511347
The whole thing isn't made out of plastic.

>>16511347
Just the body on the later ones. Apparently the plastic is a better insulator than a conductor of heat and lowered intake temps of the fuel charge.

Would a Ford Maverick be a good candidate to start learning how to rebuild/restore? Run down grabbers seem to be pretty cheap in comparison to other classics.

>>16511602
It's alright, they're not worth a damn though. I'd get a c10, but that's me. If you want a car, I'd look for a falcon or a duster or a dart or a valiant or other smaller, 60s or 70s car. Monza's, Vegas, pintos and mavericks and the like where turds though, unless you swap in a 460 with a tunnel ram.

>>16511683
I'll definitely keep my eyes open for a cheap duster. How come the maverick was considered so bad though? The ones that came with 302's seem alright to me.

>>16511308
>no counter argument
>t-t-triggered!!!

Just go back to /tv/ already, gran autismo.

>>16511802
It's based on a pinto, they were cheap poorly engineered cars back then, and they didn't have the benefit of looking as good as the other more expensive stuff.

Alternatively, a full sized Chrysler or dodge or Plymouth would be super comfy and can be made fast for not much money.

>>16512074
Name an internal conflict in Smokey and the Bandit

>>16513009
Whether or not too leave the girl behind

>>16513009
Whether or not to keep chasing Bandit.

Whether or not to go get Fred out of the lake.

Whether to keep on with the drive or give up.

Whether to finish writing the note billing Big and Little Enis or take off without finishing it because he's an illiterate redneck.

>>16512856
How about an old AMC?

>>16513108
Thank you, you actually proved me wrong.

>>16513332
Neat but harder to find parts for and the /6 isn't worth it.

>>16513544
>AMC
>Slant six
u w0t m8?

The 232 and 258 are pretty good engines, but they don't exactly make a lot of power. There's a bit of aftermarket support because Jeepfags.

>>16513707
That's what I'm saying. If you want performance, which anyone looking at a maverick specifically with a 302 probably will be going for a little bit of go.

Green hornét is a good example it.

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>>16511802
I learned on a maverick. The funny thing is I got more compliments on my maverick while it was on the road vs my galaxie...

>>16509524
>It's pretty much only good for the cinematography and cars.
Ha, completely agree with you, dude.

My dad loves that movie, he's kind of convinced himself that a lot of the stuff in that movie is supposed to be symbolic. But you also have to remember that my dad spent his years after college driving around America, so I guess I can't blame him for liking it, dude.

>>16514194
>>16511034
Whoops, sorry dude, this was for you.

>>16514194
I for one thought vanishing point was a terrible movie. Cool car, but it has no plot, no acting and was just a lot of challenger driving through the desert.

>>16514226
I don't think I've seen that movie, dude. I'll have to check it out.
Can't have much less than a story than 2 Lane Black Top.

>>16514269
It's literally an hour and a half of a dude on speed driving through a desert

>>16514226
>>16514304
It has a story bro

>>16514404
If it does, you have to be the most hardcore of hipsters to get something out of it or I just wasn't paying close enough attention the two times I've seen it.

>>16514450
Richard Sarafian's 1971 film "Vanishing Point" is, for starters, a fascinating study of those persons anthropologists sometimes term "marginal men"--individuals caught between two powerful and competing cultures, sharing some important aspects of both but not a true part of either, and, as such, remain tragically confined to an often-painful existential loneliness. Inhabiting a sort of twilight zone between "here" and "there," a sort of peculiar purgatory, these restless specters cannot find any peace or place, so they instead instinctively press madly on to some obscure and unknown destination, the relentless journey itself being the only reason and justification.

Disc jockey Super Soul (Cleavon Little) and delivery driver Kowalski (Barry Newman) are two of these specters, marginal but decent, intelligent men who can't or won't live in burgeoning competing cultures which in reality have offered them very little of worth or substance, despite their own personal sacrifices. Kowalski himself had tried to "fit in" with the Establishment as a soldier and police officer and later, attempted to do the same with the blossoming 1960s counterculture, but soon disappointingly found that they both were ridden with their own various forms of dishonesty and insincerity. Personal honor, self-reliance and genuine respect--Kowalski's stock in trade--were tragically valued very little by either, despite each one's shrill and haughty claims to the contrary.

>>16514579
Moreover, it's no accident Newman's character has a Polish surname; the Poles throughout their history have created a very rich and unique Slavic culture largely based upon just such a "marginality"--being geographically jammed between powerful historic enemies, Germany and Russia, and never being able to fully identify with either one, at often great cost to themselves. It's also no accident Little's character is blind and black, the only one of his kind in a small, all-Caucasian western desert town--his sightlessness enhancing his persuasiveness and his ability to read Kowalski's mind, the radio microphone his voice, his race being the focus of long simmering and later suddenly explosive disdain--all of the characteristics of a far-seeing prophet unjustly (but typically) dishonored in his own land.

The desert environment also plays a key role in cementing the personal relationship between and respective fates of these two men--to paraphrase British novelist J.G. Ballard, prophets throughout our history have emerged from deserts of some sort since deserts have, in a sense, exhausted their own futures (like Kowalski himself had already done) and thus are free of the concepts of time and existence as we have conventionally known them (as Super Soul instinctively knew, thus creating his own psychic link to the doomed driver.) Everything is somehow possible, and yet, somehow nothing is.

>>16514585
Finally, VP is also a "fin de siecle" story, a unique requiem for a quickly dying age- a now all-but-disappeared one of truly open roads, endless speed for the joy of speed's sake, of big, solid no-nonsense muscle cars, of taking radical chances, of living on the edge in a colorful world of endless possibility, seasoned with a large number and wide variety of all sorts of unusual characters, all of which had long made the USA a wonderful place--and sadly is no longer, having been supplanted by today's swarms of sadistic, military-weaponed cop-thugs, obsessive and intrusive safety freaks, soulless toll plazas, smug yuppie SUV drivers, tedious carbon-copy latte towns, and a childish craving for perfect, high-fuel-efficiency safety and security.

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How have you guys been talking about old car chases and not mentioned THE car chase?

>>16514683
Everyone always says Bullitt, but for me Gone in 60 Seconds was way better. Everything was so glorioualy visceral.

>>16514683
because the movie was shit and the car chase was nonsense. That chase would've been over so quick, it's not even funny. The Charger never gave them trouble while filming, but the Mustang kept breaking down. That's before getting into how much faster the Charger was.
stupid movie is stupid.

>>16514683
Fake mustang noises.

>>16514450
this was back in the day when movies didn't have to vomit the story on you.

>>16514707
Because half of it was real

351

what sort of aesthetic do 70's cars have? what should i feel when i drive them? how should i think to be in the right headspace?

>>16516069
If you're not with it now, you'll never be.

When i drive my car, it's an entirely visceral experience, if i put my foot down i can hear the engine react and i can feel the pedal shake.
when my car is stopped it's actually rock back and forth from the engine vibration.


Modern cars by comparison eliminated all this for the sake of comfort

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If the suggested tax system goes thru I have to pay over 5000€ a year for my 2000 750iL.
That is the end of car culture in Finland. There is no way I can afford to keep it and no one will buy it either. I reckon there will be shit ton of classic cars for sale soon.

>>16516181
what about sweden? they have a big us car culture too.
well maybe i will get some more cheap classics from you guys.
t. german with 3 us classics.

>>16516195
The system is fucked if it goes thru, Just imagine they announce they will stop taxing new cars in 2019 and move on to road based tax, no one will buy new car for almost 2 years just because you can get it up to 60% cheaper when you buy it in 2019.
There is no way they will make this work.

>>16516206
my condolences

>>16514579
>>16514585
>>16514587
What you've done here is give me an anthropologie lesson on the era. You didn't tell the story of the movie. The movie is a dude on speed not fitting in with the society so he crashes white challenger after a big car chase.

>But the story is he wanted to be a different type of special snowflake
Well they expressed that terribly.

Hell an even better car based minimalist movie from the era was Steve McQueen's le mans. At least that had a plot and some semblance of a story, not some hipsters manifesto of why they don't fit in.

>>16514683
The chase was neat but a lot of it was the same scenes patched over themselves. The rest of the movie was b grade acting at best.

>>16516751
You are too young or you fit into a cultural group too well to understand, and instead dismiss it as a "hipster manifesto", using memes as a defense of your lack of comprehension. A shame.

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>>16516820
M8, a hit is a hit. That ain't a hit. A clockwork Orange is a hit, 2001 was a hit, apocalypse now was a hit.

While your theme and message might be all good and well, the movie sucked. It's like drive ™. The movie was half baked but this board still memes about it.

Have a classic car to keep us on topic

>>16516838
you one dumb nigga

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>>16516843
>Providing an argument
>Nyukka u foolish.

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>>16516838
Did you seriously just argue that whether a movie is quality or not depends solely on whether or not the retards that make up mainstream audiences enjoy it? I guess it confirms you are absolutely one of the herd more than anything I could have done on my own.

I guess Come and See, Wings of Desire, Dead Man's Shoes, Vanilla Sky, Oldboy, and Videodrome are all vastly inferior works of art compared to the Transformers movies, Marvel superhero schlock, and Avatar.

Please try to expand your horizons, shift your perspective.

>>16516885
Also that guy isn't me.

>>16517042
Sorry bud but the theme of a movie has to be accessible to at least some of the audience. Vanishing Point's theme isn't. Just because you can find some write up online about some contrived bullshit doesn't make it a great movie.

>>16517265
>Vanishing Point's theme isn't.
Bullshit, in those days the audience knew how to understand a story without being spoonfed.

Look at Easy Rider, hardly any words spoken but it's considered one of the best movies ever made.

>>16513759
>>16513844
Ideally I'd love an old charger, but I can't find any good candidates for my price range.Even if the Maverick isn't too good, it's the cheapest thing I can find

>>16517357
Where do you live? Post your Craigslist.

>>16517042
That's a crock of shit. People don't just magically get more intelligent or less intelligent over the course of a generation, and there's a reason vanishing point isn't regarded as one of the great movies from the time, because if people can't get it they don't care. If you're a movie enthusiast, you might be able to get something out of it but it's generally only remembered as, "that movie with the bitching white challenger."

Society dictates what's good or not, because society is made of people that are all for the most part relatively average.

Also I've seen old boy, it's a great movie, and guess what, it's got a plot which vanishing point doesn't.

>>16517396
http://rochester.craigslist.org/search/cta

I don't think that there's not really much of anything at the moment. I did see a Duster for pretty cheap though

>>16517290
Nice argument retard. You weren't alive in the 70s you have no idea what the fuck people actually thought when they watched movies. You just latch onto the classic Reddit >le born in the wrong generation meme. Easy rider actually has a story that's accessible and that's why it's great. It isn't just some retard going fast through the desert in a car.

>>16517457
>It isn't just some retard going fast through the desert in a car.
And neither is Vanishing Point lmao, thanks for proving me right.

Nice argument retard really convinced me. Literal Alphonse tier shitposting

>>16517453
I'd get these if I wanted a project
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/5932095527.html
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/5960181088.html
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/5927169364.html

Or stuff like it. I don't really know your budget

>>16517581
I'll look into all 3 of 'em. Leaning mostly toward the Falcon though.

>>16517581
>http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/5927169364.html

Are parts for the 260 V8 even available any more?

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After some long thoughts, I've decided to keep my 1973 Gran Torino. I've posted about it before, it's the q-code 351 Cleveland CobraJet. Performance package, black interior/buckets/console. I was going to sell it to try and buy my dad's 1968 GMC SWB 4x4 back, but I decided that right now isn't the time to try and get it back. So, I'll be restoring the Gran Torino like I originally planned.

Needs a good amount of metal work under that vinyl top (previous owner pressure washed it, the top has holes so it trapped the water in there... and popped the weld between the quarter and the roof, along with the usual rusting it to hell) and probably an engine rebuild and trans rebuild wouldn't hurt. I'll hopefully be getting the roof and the small amount of rust fixed this year, with a repaint and new vinyl top soon.

Speaking of which, how much does having a new vinyl top cut and put on usually cost? $1000 or more?

>>16517654
Yes, it's just a Windsor with a smaller bore.

>>16517660
>Meme Torino
>Cleveland
>performance package
>not an ugly color combination
Of course you decide to keep it, it's fantastic.

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>>16517660
And, does it look like it rides too high in the front to anyone else? I feel like the front end needs to be lowered. I've put taller/wider tires on the rear with air shocks, and the front end to me still sits too high. I might buy shorter springs, or maybe drop spindles. Whichever would work best, and hurt my wallet less.

>>16517638
That falcon is it cool. Plus you can swap a 302 in like it was nothing.

>>16517853
>muh 302
kys

>>16517920
Cheap power famalam. 351 is better but you can get a 302 with decent heads for not much.

>>16514683
>>16514707
>>16514960
ima let you finish but The French Connection had the best classic car chase.
(I may be biased as they went through my neighborhood)

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>>16517396
>society dictates whether art is good or not
>actually, seriously believing this

You are one of the dumbest people I have ever had the displeasure of talking to. I mean that sincerely. Your argument was so stupid that making an actual rebuttal listing how utterly wrong you are on every level would take me far more time than is reasonable and would likely fall on deaf ears anyway.

If you have even the tiniest shred of moral integrity, you'll do some google searches for famous authors/artists/composers/directors/actors/etc which were unappreciated in their time but now regarded as classics, some will even fall within a generation.

As for me, I am done conversing with someone who holds such an ignorant view on these matters. Hopefully you can manage to shift your perspective someday and appreciate things outside of what the general populace finds acceptable. You will be a richer man for it.

>>16518066
>muh power
Kys

>>16518213
I can't believe you are this upset by a difference of opinion. It's been 46 years since vanishing point, and it still isnt seen as a great movie. More people (society) would appreciate it at this point if it was.

Do you think it's great? Sure why not. But it's not.

>>16518303
This is literally the only time I will ever agree with KKK.
Art is defined by society. Society chooses whats good or not. Art isn't good because some critic says it is. And yes people discover artists well after they are dead but that doesn't change a thing.

How viable is it to just go to a junkyard and trying to rebuild a car from a body / parts you find there?

>>16518623
More viable than thinking a long block 302 will growout of your intake and car

>>16518422
>>16518303
Well, I'm going to disagree here and say art is retarded no matter what society says. Since when is the majority of any population *really* smart enough to know what's actually good for them?

Art is enjoyed by many in its various forms, myself included, but that doesn't make it any less stupid and detrimental to any society's efficiency in terms of growth and other forms of progress. As a result, the distinction between good and bad art is pointless, and either argument therefore moot.

>>16519367
>Since when is the majority of any population *really* smart enough to know what's actually good for them?
It's that kind of thinking that got us the feudal system and communism. You can kindly fuck off now, you're no better than any other swinging dick.

>>16519367
Sorry bud but you're probably as dumb as the average person. If you think you're anything other than a contrarian sheep you're delusional.

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Well shit, lads.

I thought I was gonna be cool and have a leather wrapped dash pad. I started work on the dash pad and then got to a spot where it just kept wrinkling, Come to find out the shit I bought is called bonded leather and infact, contains only 10% real leather, and it doesn't stretch. That means I can't use it on this dash because it won't contour to it.


Fuck me that was a waste of $50. It was coming out halfway decent too until I got to that spot.

>>16519937
That fucking sucks dude, that looks pretty nice

>>16519937
I have the same aftermarket gauges; nice choice.

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>tfw ECU and harness coming tomorrow
I still have to get the ECU flashed but I wanted to have the harness done by the time it gets done

Also pulled pistons today to gap the rings and they all look preddy gud but there's one rod bearing I'm a bit concerned about but its probably nothing

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>>16520025
>sitting on the wing

>>16520040
it's meant to take downforce

>>16520025
What's concerning about the bearing? When in doubt, replace. Especially on something that critical and cheap.

>>16520212
Well its the only one I know of with this problem, the wear on them looks fucking great, minty fresh. Its the little notch on the bearing, its not locking into the notch on the rod

I don't know though it might be fine I didn't check the other ones yet I might be overlooking it, I wanted to get all the pistons popped out and everything cleaned up in time to watch Trump kek

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>>16517660
>After some long thoughts, I've decided to keep my 1973 Gran Torino.
Thank god

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>>16514683
Because this is a much better chase film anyway.

>>16514683
the overall story was insanely boring and the movie didn't revolve around it.

Vanishing Point, Gone in 60 Seconds and Dirty Mary Crazy Larry were better films

>>16520335
I'd say use a micrometer if you have one to measure the notch on the rod and see if it differs from the others.

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>tfw America is finally back

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>>16520571
That's pretty much everyone's reaction to me announcing I'm keeping it.

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>>16521428
It's a nice car, i'm jely, i'm sure it's happy to stay with you.

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Bump

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Magnet mug game strong today.

>>16519541
Im more for a good dictator than communism.

>>16523672
Then you can live in Rwanda or North Korea.

But that's one of the most plebian things you can do.

>>16523684
Can't we just have a new Reich? It worked really, REALLY well before Hitler went full retard and declared war on everyone and their dogs.

>>16523700
You can have a Reich in North Korea but everyone else is finding that they like having protection of personal property.

>>16523713
The Reich was really good for the worthy races.

>>16523700
>Can't we just have a new Reich? It worked really, REALLY well
Back to /pol/ with you!

My libertarian autism is giving me a headache after reading that shit. If you want a government and dictator with absolute power over you, your property and everything you do, go live in Africa or North Korea you shitmuffin.

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Greasepill me on shakers.

>>16523958
Bugs in your engine kills your AFR. Holes in your hood are cook thigh when you have parts of your engine looking out
>TFW no tunnel ram with dual quads

>>16524023
>Cook thigh
Cool though

>>16524023
They've always been cowls on Pontiacs though.

>>16524094
When you say shaker, I think of a ram air set up similar to those on Mopar and Fords with a forward facing intake scoop. Cowl works a bit different, I don't really know the benefit.

>>16524232
When I say shaker what I mean are protruding intakes connected to the engine instead of the hood. Whether they face forwards or backwards is irrelevant.

>>16524257
Shaker is cool regardless, but the direction it faces can have a direct effect on engine performance. Ram air is a thing.

>>16524331
>Ram air is a thing.
Pretty sure it's not. The lower temperature of the air will make a difference, and a tunnel ram will make a difference to air flow compared to more compact intake manifolds, but I'm certain to have read on multiple occasions that the mere air pressure at driving speeds doesn't even remotely match, let alone exceed the air volume sucked into the engine.

>>16524349
At higher speeds, like similar to when down force takes affect, the ram air works to pressurize the charge. The problem is if you don't have a carb designed to take a pressurized intake charge it doesn't work that well.

Thats a lot of the reason why the carb is on top of the roots blower, and how EFI is better for ram air because it can compensate for the increased air flow.

>>16524403
And I'm sure that even at higher speeds it's not enough for pressurizing the intake charge. There's a reason turbos spin at 20,000 rpm.

>>16524428
It's not much, like maybe a 10 percent improvement at speed.

Think about this though, Joe fine when you see top fuel dragsters, f1 cars, things like the hellcat and 911 gt2 the intake is facing forward and not backwards? They don't design it like that if it doesn't do something, and it's not exactly aerodynamic.

>>16524463
>Joe fine
My phone is a piece of shit. How come*

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>>16524463
Ah yes, glorious 0.7 PSI at 200 mph. The physical principles are beyond my comprehension but scientific sources state that air can be considered practically imcompressible at below 230 mph.

>>16524491
Better than sucking 150 degree air in under the hood like your typical round air cleaner

>>16524491
Still neat.

I don't get why we are arguing. There you go at speed it helps. Not by much, but it helps. Also that slightly pressurized air is cooler which helps a bit.

>>16524516
That's what I said before. Therefore it doesn't actually matter whether your intake sticks out forwards or backwards.

>>16524565
But it looks cooler going forward. Also if you go less than 12 seconds in the quarter it makes a difference
>That's why you install a tunnel ram with a big fucking bug catcher

>>16524470
Turn autocorrect off and pay more attention to what you're typing.

>>16524624
No, I install forced induction if that's what I'm after.

>>16524787
That shits bad for my already fukt cooling system.

But I wish.

>>16524692
I use that swipe to text feature. It's super lame but I can't not at this point

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Pontiac small journal engines and large journal engines have different overall dimensions and only minor interchangeability, right?

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One of my friends just spotted this, I never see our cars in the public. Makes me happy : )

>>16525286
Define dimensions. I'm pretty sure that they all share exterior dimensions but I could be wrong.

>>16523006
It's scary and run by magic and pixie dust, get it away from me.

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page 7 bumpage

>>16526309
With dual hydraulic couplings it might as well be.

I want to rebuild one so I can figure out how the damn thing works.

Also 308th post. New thread SOON™

>>16528044
I'll be rebuilding a Jetaway pretty soon. The service manual makes it seem less complicated

Think you'll ever get yours looking this good, one day, Dracula?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izz2K-EBT6o

>>16529370
Probably not. Mine will be a driver, so I won't fret if every bit of chrome is spotless or whether the engine bay is 100% stock.

At least mine is better equipped.

>>16529864
>he forgets his trip again

>>16529864
>>16529887
Yeah; I did. I like to be able to be held accountable for advice I give.

New thread here >>16530524