4-figure horsepower for under $100k?

If there were no EPA we'd have Darts and Cruze's with 600hp for $50k by now. A V8 with forced induction should be making 4 figure HP at minimum. This ZOMG 700HP!!!!11!!! shit doesn't impress me.

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GM could bring back the 454 and break 600HP NA with direct injection.

Ford's twin-turbo Voodoo/Coyote Ecoboost monster could be have 4-figure horsepower variants too.

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>>16493046
Really? A bunch of transverse FWD V8s? Fuck off tryhard.

>>16493020
The demon will be a wide body (confirmed via F&F trailer) and probably AWD Hellcat, probably with a power bump to 750 or so.

I wonder if anyone has done a budget 1000hp build out of a ls350 with big turbos.

Surely 10-15k on a engine+trans alone would easily get 1000hp if you did it yourself with some help

This won't happen but I wish they'd come out with a 426.

the horsepower war has been going on for ages

Dodge just builds pure shit and needs numbers to cry for attention

it damn sure wouldnt be the first 1000hp road legal car either

Trump is a tard who wont do anything

>>16493149
>mfw i thought the awd challenger was going to be a v8

>turned out to be a rebodied v6 charger

>mfw i was actually interested in buying one still

if the make an awd v8 challenger shit would be so nice, but how would it turn?

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>>16493020
>>making it the first road legal 1,000HP car.

>>16493020
>>With Trump dismantling the EPA
no
they just put out some fuel economy standards a few days ago,plus he can't just go in a dismantle them

>>16493313
go in and*
there's courts involved

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>>16493215
>>16493273
Why can't they do it right and just make an AWD, 6-speed manual, 5.7 or 6.4 Hemi Charger?

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>>16493149
"wide-body" dude that's what F&F does, fucks cars up with body kits. I don't think that's a factory representation.

Also, 700+ being split to the front wheels? They've never had a center dif that handled more than the old Hemi's 350ish... And they don't have beefy enough front halfshafts to handle double horsepower.

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>>16493149
>>16493572
Not gonna be AWD. Why would they go from a 4-legged cat to a 2-legged demon?

>>16494082
because demons are humanoids and human have 2 legs
duh

>>16493020
There are road legal cars with more power than 1000 bhp

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>>16494294
For under $100k? For under a million even?

>>16494342

Anybody can go to a GM dealership, buy a Corvette, drop it off at a tuning shop, pay $15k and have a 1000hp car for under $100k.

All I know is I will most likely be trading my Hellcat in for the Demon

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>>16494353
An inspectable, reliable, warrantied one? KYS tryhard

>>16494353
hell you can get a 1000hp car for less thank 10k

only a tard would buy these attention whore Dodges

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>>16494388
Road legal? kys

>>16494388
Looks like someone is butthurt that he can't afford one

>>16494466
3,500hp cars that run 5s in the 1/4 are road legal here

yeah you can build a 1000hp car just fine

>>16494471
why would I ever want to buy one

they arent impressive to anyone thats into cars and are simply normie bait

>>16494379


Inspectable - yes
Reliable - yes
Warrantied - ehhh. If you got money to drop on a car with xxxx HP then you can afford to fix any little issues that come up.

>>16494466

There's 2500hp road legal cars....

>>16493313
>Trump can't X
So it's going to happen?

>>16494353
Hennessey pls go and stay go

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>>16494521

Hennessey is a bitch.

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>>16493070
They're not cool enough to actually do it though.

FCA is.

>>16494480
Nah its pretty impressive, especially since they have to follow U.S and state legislation while trying to keep the vehicle reliable. Enjoy your "Built Not Bought" facebook page making fun of people who have a little extra cash in their wallet.

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>>16493572
The wide-body was rumored to be called the ADR or American Drag Racing edition.

I think they just renamed that Demon though.

>>16494527
Nah NRE are the worst dyno queen's ever.

>>16494557
theyre not even reliable
707 hp from a SC 6.2 isnt impressive

enjoy your spending large amounts of money to be slow and unreliable compared to Cletus' junkyard Camaro he built under the tree in the backyard

>>16493313
Kek. How many times are we gonna hear trump can't do x y and z

>>16493243
I would rather have someone who stays stagnant than a dipshit who believes in open borders and "free" college.

>>16494566

Even a top fuel dragster won't put it's power down on the streets. Street pavement is like snow compared to a prepped drag track.

>>16494581
More reliable and warrantied than the Cletus Camaro. Must be hard being that retarded.

>>16494604

>he needs the dealership to change his light bulbs for him like a baby.

Let me guess... Your tool collection is a Black & Decker Walmart tool set?

>>16494604
I doubt it

you can get a 1,000 hp engine (all motor BBC) fully warrantied for $20k-ish that runs on 93

aftermarket stuff will be more reliable than the Hellcat and it still wont cost as much and quite a few parts have warranties too


like I said Hellcats are normie bait so I can see why you care so much about warranties when you cant wrench

>>16494615
>I live a life full of assumptions.
Nah I've got my fuck around car that I've got my hands in, but you have to be a pretty big edgelord to think that what Dodge has been doing isn't impressive. #BuiltNotBought amirite?

>>16494637

Impressive for modern cars I guess but not very impressive in the long run considering there were N/A V8's in the 70's putting out 400+hp.

>>16494635
And I am sure the aesthetics and interior is far superior too. Hey, I understand you can build up cars, redo the interior, and enjoy older vehicles. I just don't understand why you have to shit on a manufacturer while doing so.

>>16494653
Laws and times change, the fact that there is so much constricting manufacturers is why this is impressive.

>>16494655
because Im not impressed by "707"

>>16493020
We may see the return of small vehicles. As it stands the regulations are a car must meet certain emissions and mpg solely based on the track width and wheelbase of the vehicle and the standards are too high

Hopefully we will see better looking trucks and v8 options in smaller cars. I dont think car manufacturers will acknowledge a market for mass produced 8mpg street beaters

>>16494709
So your reaction is based purely on autism, got it.

>>16494747
yeah because getting excited over numbers isnt all that the Hellcat is or anything

once again

I like cars so it takes more than some hp figure that can easily be reached for less to be impressed

if youre a legit autist who cant understand that then oh well it cant be helped

>>16494709
Coming from a guy who has probably only been behind the wheel of a car with 300 or less. You are clearly a retard

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You can buy a Roush Yates Ford Cup engine for about $50,000. They are about 950 horsepower and they are super reliable, too. Designed to run for 5 hours at 9,000 rpm. For shit on the street, you'll never, ever come close to that kind of abuse.

If you have to have that magic 1,000 horsepower, a 100 shot of nitrous and you're there.

>>16494808
is this the mental capability of Mopartards?

>hurr u retarded u dont even know haha I cant make relevant comments

its 2017 707hp isnt impressive unless you just simply arent well informed on cars

>>16494819

Designed to run for 5 hours at 9,000 rpm.

What's the point of revving out a V8 to 9000rpm? Pretty sure you could build a Chevy V8 that'll do that for half as much. Most big V8 boat engines will run at full rpm all day.

>>16494857
its a NASCAR engine it actually makes power up there and stays high in the rpms

>>16494773
The brand reaches out to its fanbase, creates vehicles that pays tribute to their own past while retain being modern, still appreciates numbers (not just in fuel efficiency), and shoots none shitty commercials. You just sound like a killjoy.

>>16494808
Ignore him, he doesn't understand that cheaper higher numbered vehicles are good for consumers.

>>16494653

When they measured gross horsepower with zero parasitic drag like transmissions, power accessories like alternators and power steering pumps?

Horsepower ratings in the day were total shams.

>>16494857
You are an idiot.

>>16494920
aka they make garbage and rely heavily on marketing and other things that dont matter

>>16494992
Every brand has its ups and downs, faggot. I'm a Toyota fanboy myself.

>>16495002
Dodge are just downs

>>16495034
Funny I have a nice collection of muscle cars and the most reliable cars I have are Dodges. You are just mad because Dodge dances on your little bitch ass face

>>16494937
>meanwhile new cars have electric power steering, brake boosters, water pumps, radiator fans
?

>>16495065
wow old irrelevant shit

Dodge is just awful anon all there is to it

>>16495123
Old irrelevant shit that's probably worth more than everything you will own in a lifetime. Like I said you are just mad because you can't afford all the toys that are pocket change to me

>>16495151
oh look

even more irrelevant opinions

sorry like eating shit and so willing to pay just to drown in it

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>BUYING a 1000hp car

>>16495182
You have posted absolutely nothing to give credibility to your claims either. You have the worst case of Syndrome of the downs I have ever encountered. You should execute yourself. Your life is trash and everything about you is shit

>>16493020
>707HP is already 50 more than the top-tier Camaro ZL1
Yet the ZL1 is still all around a faster and better car than the Hellcat...
Really makes you think. Almost like a horsepower figure on it's own is meaningless.

>why would they put more horsepower in the top car unless it was a ludicrous bump?
because people like you already think 707 over 650 is a big deal.

>I don't think it will be a measly 100HP bump
It will probably be 100-150. Knowing FCA it'll be some random "good looking" number like 808 or 888, meaning +101 or +181.

>I'm thinking 300
lolno
>making it the first road legal 1,000HP car.
lol.
CCXR, One:1, Veyron, Chiron, Ultimate Aero, Venom, etc.

>I bet they could do it for under $100k.
Probably.

Now here's the problem. Horsepower doesn't mean shit if a car can't put it to use. Judging by how awful the Hellcat is at putting it's 707 down, I don't even want to think about how stupid 800+ is going to be on that platform. It seems all FCA does is put out cars that look like monsters on a spec sheet or dyno, everything else be damned (and frankly that's all they have to do because people eat it up, ironically mostly those who will never drive or own one of them). I sincerely hope they at least have the damn sense to put fat ass tires on the back and make it AWD.
It's all kind of pointless if it ends up being 888, RWD, only manages to put down 700 to the wheels, and slides all over the place on a road despite weighing as much as a fucking Tundra.
But, we'll see. Maybe they manage to surprise.

>>16495223
so this is how a Mopartard acts when he realizes he spent money to choke on shit

just lol

>>16494937

Alternators and PS pumps have hardly any parasitic drag. Even modern engine dyno's measure power from the flywheel not from the transmission unless it's a wheel dyno. Every modern manufacturer measures their engine power (bhp) not the power at the wheels.

Keep in mind high compression engines and leaded race gas were readily available back then. Not everything was 8+ liters and 150hp back then contrary to /o/'s belief. The numbers aren't that hard to believe.

>>16495253
they all made shit power though

>>16495240

There's only so much you can do with RWD and street tires before you have to start looking into going full drag mode. 700hp is getting pretty close to that point.

>>16495262

400+ n/a hp from 7 liters isn't horrible considering it's the 70's.

>>16495280
not a single one made that much

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>>16494615
millwright here

you're retarded for buying snap-on or other name brands

Mastercraft is best tool brand and one of the cheapest

>>16495282

Eat your heart out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Big-Block_engine

>>16495303
>gross hp
>relevant

come on son

show me some stock 400hp NET

Ferrari was making making 300+hp from a 3.0 in the early 60s surely America could make 400 with a 7.0

>>16495343

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fairlane_Thunderbolt

>>16495343

Subtract 5hp from that and you got your net power. Do the math on drag times back in the day and the rated power checks out. Ignore the smog emission gimped grocery getter engines.

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>>16495244
I spent money to win and winning is all I do with my Mopar muscle.

>>16495361
no way they actually made 400 net hp

even dynos of modded ones with cams and headers only make mid 400s at the most

so even if they do its just barely and thats with a damn racing engine

>>16495378
more like multiple gross hp by .75 and you get close to the real power

>>16495394

>show me an example
>hurr that one doesn't count

kys

>>16495394

A 7l engine doesn't give a fuck if it's got power accessories on it, They're not going to make a difference, were not talking 50hp diesels here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xsdCHiJKgQ

Here's a stock motor making that power.

>>16495407
gross hp means shit

using the same standards something like a Camry would be rated at around 370hp

we get it you dont know shit just stop getting involved with conversations kid

>>16495415
thats not stock either

they make less than 400 stock but close to it

>>16495394
A gimp 427 ford would still make 400hp
Why do you even browse /o/ if you know nothing about cars

>>16495468
cool evidence

I bet it barely makes 400 if it even can do it

>>16495493
Stock 427 out of a passenger car, not even the hiriser variant that came with the thunderbolts
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKb97o7EWjg
With typical driveline loss youre looking at 400 net with this engine in a manual 60s passenger car

>>16495582
Also good luck finding dyno footage of 60s cars

Is the Demon going to be the Challenger version of the Mustang Cobra Jet in that it's built for drag strips and isn't road legal?

>>16495582
there is no driveline loss in net hp

that engine still isnt stock either

>>16495621
Do you really think youre going to get 71 hp from headers on a stock engine

>>16495638
>not knowing how shit stock manifolds are
>not knowing how restrictive stock exhaust is

and I thought I was the one who didnt know what I was talking about you guys are really clueless

>>16495687
Gains from complete stock exhaust vs full race tube headers are 40-45 above 6000 rpm on a performance engine

>>16495702

>t. I just installed a fart can on my Civic.

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>>16495702
what if the engine doesnt even reach 6000

>>16495708
>not knowing a stock 427 from the 60s will be rolling over around 6k from cam timing and weak springs
>further diminishing returns

>>16495711
Depends on the how built the top end is and if youre removing the bottleneck of the engine. Different engines produce different results

>>16495736
Which btw on old ford heads the exhaust runner was the bottleneck on performance so flow was already being destroyed before it was being dumped into the manifolds

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>>16493070
>454
>not the 572 which they still make

>>16495736
but you just said 40-60 above 6000

there is over 50hp gain before it even reaches 4000

>>16495745
umm no

those 427 heads outflow Vortec heads which can make good power on small engines

>>16495262
>>16495282
>>16495343
>>16495394
>>16495466
>>16495493
You need to go. Holy fuck this is some of the dumbest shit ever spewed.
You literally have no fucking clue how horsepower is measured, whether it's bhp or whp, and that's about the first fucking thing pre-teens that start to get interested in cars learn.

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>>16494537
>dodge
>can't make a 700+ hp engine without FI

chevy 1 everyone else 0

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>>16495794
so basically you get your shit pushed in and go full damage control

neato

>>16495806

kek Mercedes can't even match that with a V12 and 2 turbo's.

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>>16495806
>chebby
>can't make the fastest production race car in the world at all

FCA 1 Everyone else 0

>>16495875
>Dodge
>Can't make the least discontinued car in the world

>>16495806
>>16495827

>ITT ignorant benchracers and busriders trying too hard to prove a point

>>16495890
Not their fault rich people are plebs.

>>16495901

This

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>>16495806
>not available in any of gms cars
>ever
>"for off road use"
LMAO

at least dodge can make a 600hp+ production car that doesnt overheat and shut down after a minute of hard driving

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>>16495910
At least Chevy can make a truck bed, unlike your shitty brand

>>16495910
too bad no one wants it

>>16495913

Land Rover Defenders never had a problem with aluminium and saw much more hardcore shit than your average hard-parked Chebby truck.

>>16495913
>gmfag so btfo and desperate he photoshops false advertisements related to an entirely different brand
LMAO

im talking dodge here not ford
at least ford can win le mans tho

>>16495917
i was talking the hellcat, supercharged 6.2l that makes 700hp+
compared to the supercharged 6.2l in corvettes that are massive unreliable turds and struggle to make 600hp+ in ideal conditions for only a minute before it starts drastically losing power

>>16493020
they need to keep the horsepower the same and cut 1500 pounds out of it

>>16495932
>hellcat
pigfat

>>16493157
I believe longevity would become a concern at those numbers. Or the cost of advanced materials would curve your price upwards.

If it's just a mostly stock proof of concept, it might do a pull at those numbers...once.

>>16495270
It depends on how the car is built/set up, but 700hp (620-640ish to the wheels) is probably already over that point for the hellcat.
That point for a rear/midrear engined car is much higher because you have a more balanced car and most of the weight above the powered wheels for example.
As for FR cars similar to the Challenger, 700rwhp on a Zeta platform Camaro felt pretty good though you couldn't just mash it because it was pushing the limits of the tires. The new Alpha platform feels like it could handle 750 or more to the wheels. 680rwhp from a modified GT350 also felt manageable so I'm excited to see what the GT500 turns out with. The joke will be when it drops with less HP than the Demon and still outperforms it in every category except a spec sheet.
There's also a lot of physics to take into account like the weight of the car and having a setup that can reign in all that energy from a heavy ass car that can get so much speed built up with all that hp as an example. At this point, GM's Alpha platform will probably be king in that regard; definitely doesn't get the credit it's due in that regard.

>>16495814
Not the person you're arguing with... Believe it or not, it's possible for a bystander to think you're a fucking moron.
And make no mistake, you pushed no one's shit in.

>>16495901
This!

>>16493020
i can almost guarantee it's an awd. they just revealed the awd pentastar tranny and now they should be releasing the hemi.

the 2006 chargers did have awd trannys on their v8 and 3.5L after all

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EPA standards are locked in until 2025 and Hellcats are made in Mexico

>>16498522
this

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>>16495806
BUTTBLASTED GM FANS ON SUICIDE WATCH

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>>16498425
Also, 700+ being split to the front wheels? They've never had a center dif that handled more than the old Hemi's 350ish... And they don't have beefy enough front halfshafts to handle double horsepower.

>>16493243

Yurocuck detected.

They beat the Hellcat 50 years ago

http://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/the-w43-oldsmobiles-dohc-455-v8-that-never-was/

>700 hp naturally aspirated

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>>16498686
perhaps they could shoehorn a jeep 4wd in there

>>16494559
Why are the front wheels bigger than the rear wheels here lol

>>16496086
What about a 427 big block on low boost? Surely that would last and still reasonably cheap

>>16498813

Pre 1971 they measured gross horsepower (with open headers, and all accessories removed), today we use net horsepower. The difference between the two can be as much as 30%, meaning that olds might have been 500 horsepower.

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>>16493572
Oh, you like?

It's not every day I see someone post a picture of my place, I'd just gotten done with a power steering pump/alternator replacement. Totaled it 3 days later.

EPA getting gutted isn't going to magically going to make these cars affordable, it's just going to make the bottom line for the manufacturers fatter.

>>16498897
Cool Jeep. You should restore it.

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>>16499038
Working on it.

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>>16498854
It does look like that, I think it's just a weird optical illusion though.

>>16498883

shut up fag

>>16498927
>idk how competition works the post

>>16499289
They collude together once the Republicans also gut those pesky consumer protection rules. Or they won't bother to change the prices because everyone else is already paying this now. UPS and airlines still charge a fuel surcharge.

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>>16495910

>>16500312
it's illegal to put a crate motor in your car without adding all the emissions requirements.

>>16500836
>everywhere is california
ok

>>16500836
kit cars are exempt from meeting emissions requirements in places that require an e-check

>all these cucks expecting trump to repeal shit for consumer's sake when he will do it for the corporations and no one else.

gj electing a fake-ass manbaby guys
oh but i guess you figured that when he started appointing his cabinet

>>16502466
Emissions are federal.

>>16494819
want

>>16494635
Nigger, I've turned more wrenches than you ever will and there is nothing wrong with the Hellcat. I've dropped a turbo ls2 in a fucking Datsun that will blow the fucking doors off my hellcat, but you n ow what, sometimes you just want to cruise in comfort. The hellcat is a remarkably driveable car to be as powerful as it is. Shit, that's the most dangerous thing about the car. If you're driving it normally, it's too easy to forget that if you stab the throttle, you're going to die.

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>>16493020
>bring back Snek
>DOHC
>VVT/VVL system
>5 valves/cylinder
>velocity stacks instead of intake manifold
>forged internals
>forged steel pistons
>rev it up to 9000
>get F20C like 120 hp/litre

>>16495961
It's not a race car, dipshit. It's not even competing in that arena. It's a grand tourer. It's comfy on long rides and maintains a decent level of practicality. You'd be better off comparing it to an Aston Martin.

>>16493020
>implying there are no 1000hp+ car availble

>>16498522

Mexico and Canada aren't the same thing.

>>16493020

I saw a rumor a couple of months back that Dodge had managed to up the HP on the Hellcar motor to roughly 850HP. Who knows if it's true or not but speculation is that the Demon is a wide-body Challenger. I fucking hope that's not the case.

>>16504478
nah
>Snek
>bigass cam from the factory and blower
>???
>1001hp from a understressed unkillable truck engine
kgo m8

>>16504488
Implying you can read. Nigge,r it says in the title of the post, under 100k.

>>16504532
In the OP it says he hopes FCA could sell it for sub 100k...

>>16504517
>>16504478
>tfw 8.4L V10 hits VTEC

>>16504539
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

>>16504536
>title of thread

>>16493132
>Not wanting a 4l v8 available in fucking everything

ITT: Trump supporters who think Trump can even take down the EPA or do anything at all.

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>>16505185
shhhh, let them live out their delusions in peace

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>>16505185
just like how he'd never win the primaries, the nomination, survive X scandal, or win the presidency, right? he's doing whatever he wants now. appointing a guy currently suing the EPA to run the EPA? i think it's already happening.

>>16505529
>he will never candidate for president
>he will never win the primarys
>he will never win the election
>he will never be president
you are here
>he will never build the wall
>mexico will never pay for the wall
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