>hurrr durr fuck da EPA they're useless! Why can't

"Global warming" is irreversible now
Im going to die in a few years anyways from medical complications who the fuck cares.
Its like changing the headgasket on a motor with 3 melted pistons and 4 rods through the block and. Its fucked, theres literally no point in trying to save it because there really is no way to in modern society.

>>16480854
Global warming is a meme, but smog is a very real thing

There's a reason why the lymph nodes in a person's lungs are black

>>16480854
>nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor

>>16480858
>Global warming is a meme

98% of scientists agree about global warming, but this anon found the (((truth))) on fox news comments and the "hockey stick" graph. wake up sheeple1

>>16480864
I never said it wasn't real, thing is we don't know if it's out fault or not

Ice core samples from 10s of thousands and millions of years ago showed global temperatures much higher and much lower than what they are now. For all we know this could be normal

>>16480858
Read
>>16480864
Im glad i'll be dead anyways if i was a godfag itd be even better tho.

>>16480868
And those varying temperatures were never a spike in such a fast period of time, especially with a direct correlation to human produced greenhouse gasses.
the hole in the ozone layer wasnt natural.

>>16480869
Dead by what annon?
Im in the same boat

>>16480804
>that smog
>happened under the EPA
I guess they are useless KEK

>>16480868
I bet you voted Trump as well. Idiot.

>>16480864
Global warming alarmism is a religion.

It's sad really. You go through 13 years of public education which is a complete mess, but nonetheless aren't able to actually assess the arguments for and against.

Rather you have some straw man arguments in mind (that have been implanted by the government/media) and now you are too infuriated to actually listen to the opposition.

The alarmists haven't made up their mind. The earth is heating or it's cooling? Alarmists get aggressive and say no it's climate change. Alarmism is just a pretext for bigger government and higher taxes. It justifies funneling massive funds into solving an issue, that even if it is as great as alarmists would have us believe, can't be stopped.

The entire alarmist position is riddled with shoddy science and bias. Most scientists will happily go along with it if it means more money for their research institutes or if it means not getting fired, and since most scientists (especially chemists, geologists and biologists) are confined mostly to academia (a hotbed for leftism) it means most of them will go along with it.

As per usual, the alarmist position is very dynamic. Failed prediction after failed prediction still doesn't stiffle them. According to most alarmists by 2016 the world should've been covered in water (from the ice caps melting) and land rendered inhabitable due to insanely high temperatures. Yet even though prophecies of Armageddon have failed to happen. The alarmists with their faith in the government and 'pop science' won't back down.

He'll happily pay more for his utilities, goods and higher taxes if it means the politicians, leaders and scientists who are furiously at work trying to solve the issue enjoy six digit salaries. It doesn't matter.

>>16480864
http://www.populartechnology.net/2014/12/97-articles-refuting-97-consensus.html

Reddit please go

>>16480804

I am actively advancing global warming and smog. Daily driving a gas vehicle that gets 8 to 12 mpg and has no cats makes me worse than 99 percent of people I am sure. Also noise.

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>>16480896

>>16480896
>scientist are WRONG
>I just know it, its a gut feeling

>>16480916

yeah that is EXACTLY what he said

/o/ should not discuss politics. 4chan in general should not discuss politics, yet here we are...

>>16480923
Leave him alone. Public schooling usually rots the brains ability to reason logically and it destroys any individuality in a person. So the fact he would never dare to stray from the mainstream opinion even if mountains of scientific evidences are against it, won't matter to him.

>>16480931
>"mountains of scientific evidences are against it"
>3% of scientist
>2% which are paid by oil companies, 1% are senile
>""mountains""

love how Rugged 'Muricans just KNOW things, they love to "reason logically" but when the logic goes against theirs, they dismiss it as lies

WAKE UP SHEERPLE

>>16480952
Retard. I gave you a link debunking your 97% consensus. Oh wait I forgot. It's not in a more palatable format. Sorry it's a meme on 'I fucking love science' or some nu-male condensing it into 10 fun facts.

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>>16480896
The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself

>>16480804

For once OP is not a faggot.

>>16480900
>>16480967

>"Why should we love fossil fuels"
>single source
>obvious and painful anti alternative energy bias

lmfao

>>16480804
>1.2 HP

I went to a catless downpipe and retuned for it and gained about 20whp, so....

>>16480984
How does bias refute the argument posited by them? Global warming alarmist have an even greater bias in that they are financially motivated to push global warming. The bigger the scare the bigger the funding. I know you are either from some statist country. Either Europe, Australia or even some socialist state like California or Washington.

>>16480988
...so you still had a slow-ass shitbox and you'd have been better off buying a more powerful and lighter one in the first place

>>16480994
>virtually every scientist
>multiple sources, universities, etc
>Real American (tm) finds a single website, to debunk them all. Praise be onto Jesus
>"h-how can your multiple institutions of higher learning refute my one obscure, and clearly pro fossil fuels website??"
>"y-you're just scared"

Ameriburger "thought" process, everyone

>>16480875
That hole in the ozone layer was also over Antartica

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>global warming is real
>we just don't know if it's our fault or not
>so let's not do anything about it because fuck people getting paid to do their jobs

Holy fuck /o/ really is a bunch of angry poorfags

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>mfw I fell for the diesel meme
>mfw they told me it was 'greener' and cheaper than petrol (it is cheaper for road tax in the UK right now)
>mfw diesel prices are higher than petrol
>mfw they now say it's more harmful due to carbon emissions
>mfw VW got found out leaving me wondering if every other manufacturer is lying about their emissions
>mfw the government are considering penalizing diesel drivers with new higher taxes

>>16481007
>>16481083

Literally not an argument

>>16481094
Never said it was, just pointing out that you're a fucking retard who'd rather let the world burn than let scientists do their damn job

Fucking dropouts on this board FFS

>>16481096
Dropouts? Kek. Says the guy wouldn't respond to the material I gave him. Keep paying those taxes.

>>16481096
But retard that's the point. The world "isn't burning". Niether literally or metaphorically. We are just fine. It's morons like you who are either too stupid or too timid to speak up against the propaganda. I can give you information that is critical of GWA-ism. But it seems you are too much of a Eurocuck to know better.

>>16481090
>tfw diesel is dirt cheap in Canada
>tfw Mercedes AdBlue really is clean
>tfw 40mpg+ in a 5000lbs AWD sedan

>>16481096
>>16481007
Nice argument fagtron. "Scientists" used to think things burnt because they had a substance called phlogiston present in their make up. "Scientists" also used to think there was a planet inbetween Mercury and Venus. Let people disagree with scientists. Discourse is a critical part of scientific discovery

>>16481113
Shhh, let the regressive rant, highschool should be starting soon anyway

>>16481104
>scientific community says bad things happen if we don't change
>we say OK and change
>bad things don't happen
>SEE GUYS EVERYTHING IS FINE SCIENCE WAS WRONG

nice logic dumbass

>>16481113
>science got some things wrong, as new findings are learnt, it changes accordingly. Its almost as if they have a "scientific method" of sorts
>"u see libcucks? Science was wrong once, that means all science is wrong lol maga"

American "education"

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>>16480896

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I'm not a climate change scepticist just yet, but if anyone's truly interested why people are sceptical, please watch this video. It doesn't debunk climate change, it just raises questions that should be answered.

Just ignore the snotty title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&ab_channel=1000frolly

>>16481083

The rise in global warming has pretty much died since the early 2000s (The pacific heatsink disciples have gone into hiding since early 2014, I wonder why).

CO2 levels are still rising - but the dinosaurs were running around and fucking eachother up at levels over 500%+ higher than today, I don't think an Armageddon where we chocke to death on our on feces is upon us just yet.

To stop pollution, we need to remove the need for constant "growth" to keep our global fractal based economy from an hero, and move on to carbon or energy based economy.

If you where REALLY concerned, you would be pissed at the tankers and not the cars. But making electric tankers doesn't have a market that can be milked like personal mobility - therefore nothing will happen, and it will barely ever be mentioned. It's all smoke and mirrors..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

>>16480804
cars make up like 3% of the worlds CO2 emissions. Also a test pipe on my 30mpg 2.0l 4 banger isn't going to kill anyone any more than those faggot brotruckers with 9.0l straight piped v8's.

>>16481191
>da deenosaurs survived, we'll be alright

Wew, nobody is implying gobal warning will make us spontaneously combust, you flaming retard. Its about the survival and/or avoidance of a catastrophic event. All it would take for the shit to hit the fan are a few years of bad crops. That would be enough to make everything collapse, even if it doesn't wipe out humanity outright.

A warming of a few degrees would be enough for that to happen

>>16480877
Brain tumors causing uncontrollable siezures
I get surgery every year and smoke a shitload of weed to keep my brain activity to a minimum. It doesnt help (not trying to be a braggy special snowflake faggot) that i have an above average brain activity my eeg's show severe epileptical ratings of cerebral activity.

Basically i have a brain that works like no fucking tomorrow and i have tumors interfering with it as well. I found a way to basically not work and be rich as fuck(cant hold a job cause of being baked and epilepsy) so i just smoke and work on cars.

Tbh everyone in thia thread should stop fucking arguing about gay shit opinions and push the world further technologically so you all can get the fuck off this planet when it goes to shit and keep the human race going.

>>16481273

The point was that the dinosaurs didn't have cars, yet NATURAL VARIATIONS made the atmosphere hold five times the CO2 of today.

Not saying all this extra CO2 is a good thing, but if it was as bad as they make of it, why don't you think there is any debate about "clean" heavy oil tankers?
The cost would be a fraction of what getting rid of all the cars in the world would be.

I like cars as much as the next guy but /o/ will go to any lengths to defend emissions and 'debunk' global warming as either a hoax or natural just so they can keep driving their decatted shitbox around with a clean conscience.

>>16481104
Kys you stupid burger cuck

>>16481311
Because since more than often, those tankers are registered in 3rd world shitholes, so they aren't bound by EPA. Even if they were, iirc when in international waters, they can do whatever the fuck they want.

You do raise a good point. It would definitely be possible to make tankets burn cleaner, but with Mr "global warming is a Chinese hoax" I doubt it will happen

>>16480896

>>Claims that the so called "Alarmists" over-utilize strawman arguments

>>Makes a strawman argument

Every fucking time.

>>16480896
>>16480864

>98% of scientists agree about global warming, but this anon found the (((truth))) on fox news comments and the "hockey stick" graph. wake up sheeple1

The reality is that climate change is certainly real - but "global warming" in the modern human-provoked sense is not well understood. The climate models used are heavily debated, the measurements themselves are heavily debated (particularly the ocean readings), and of course it isn't well understood how the current situation ties into the timeline of the planet's natural lifecycle.

And what has actually happened is Leftists and associated scientists/institutions have shoehorned this into a political issue in an effort to secure funding for themselves for an uncertain issue. And the liberals, being as stupid as they are, eat this shit up and cite it themselves constantly as some attack on conservatives.

In my opinion, whether or not the facts do actually add up is completely irrelevant, because the manner in which this debate is being handled today is not in favor of actually addressing the problem, it's in favor of lining the pockets of certain political parties.

>>16481104
>I'm going to make incorrect statements and provide "sources", and if you disagree you're too stupid to know better.

>>16481394
I agree with you on all points, but I'd rather be on the safe side.

If science is right and we ignore it, we might just all die.

If science is wrong and we follow it, the only price to pay is a slight change in lifestyle.

>>16481434
The safe side does not exist you dumb shit did u even read his post?

Cars are getting ass fucked by euro vi bullshit when we hit good enough targets a decade ago making auto manufacturers take tests because the regulations are not realistic.

>>16481446
I was talking about the overall situation, not cars in particular. Transport in general seems in need of reduction.

>>16481463
No the biggest virus on the planet known as the human fucking race needs a reduction there is no good reason we should keep 5billion poos Asians niggers and mudslime scum on this earth just nuke them

>>16481477
>this guy

>>16481477
A reduction in humans would result in a reduction of transport, so technically you haven't opposed my statement.

>>16481477
Problem is they keep fucking each other and shitting out more niglets

>>16481434

>slight change in lifestyle

It's not that simple though. It's opening up a whole new portal of tax revenue and government regulation that will never be closed.

Personally, I don't have any issues with making a slight compromise to make the other side happy on what may or may not be a very real problem. But that isn't what will happen. Just like every other hot issue, it will be mutilated in a million different ways to enrich those at the top. I wish it was as simple as "oh, we'll just have to refrain from exhaust modifications" or "oh, we'll just have to pay a little bit more tax to fund some solar panels and wind farms", but it isn't, and has never been with any partisan issue in the past

>>16481500
Exactly. Shit like this gets abused over and over again and the ones who get fucked are powerless to stand up to it

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>>16480804
U mad?

>>16481483
Blame manufacturing and corporations exploitation of cheap Labor and corruption.

None of this would have happened if seppos kept their own companies under control.

China Africa and India should have been avoided at all costs and are easily the worst countries on earth

>>16481518
No, corporations exploit their cheap labor BECAUSE they keep fucking like rabbits. They can't even feed themselves yet shoot out a kid every year

>>16481532
Bullshit they wouldn't be able to even do that if they where as poor as they where 30+ years ago fuck off cunt bankers and moneymen are just as responsible as dumbcunts who can't stop breeding.

Cull them with another "world war" or equivalent mass extinction event and be done with it.

No wonder the Nazis went to the moon and the Atlantans and ancient Egyptians went to p39x

>>16480804
>remove my cat and get 1.2 xtra HP out of my shitbox Civic

Implying its not done purely for sound and not being a cuck. A cat is literally a chastity belt for your car.

I have removed the cat from every car i own. Learn to uncuck.

>>16480881
Try CARB added onto epa shit here in CA. We have some epic driving roads, but fuck me our laws are retarded.

Global warming caused by yuumans is very real.

I've been driving catless for over 11 years now doe. On my first car, just going catless took 1.1 fucking seconds off my 1/4-mile time.

Think of all those catless jet engines and cargo ships...

[ On average, a plane produces a little over 53 pounds of carbon dioxide (CO2) per mile. ]

>>16481125
It's not even the education system. It's the echo chamber the most vocal of our idiots make around themselves.

>>16481125
>reading comprehension
Nice job european

>>16482318
On average a plane also carries more people than just one fat autist.

>>16483640
>any sort of comprehension
Just give up, fatty.

>>16480804

That's what happens when you paki-stack 20 million in a people that can realistically support less than a million. Stop living in the earths taint .

>>16480804
The only thing I have a problem with is California smog laws when old cars are such a small portion of what's on the road. They've been statistically proven to do nothing on top of the standards for new cars.

Of course it makes the state bank (they charge the few even on exempt brand fucking new vehicles) and they get to sell it back to idiot democrats as saving the environment when all it is is a tax so it's never going away.

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Who's doing their part?

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>>16480804

Looks like you've got bigger things to worry about. Better learn to swim faggots.

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>>16483681
I don't operate under 4,000 RPM

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>>16480804
Smog is an artifact of weather control, specifically the release of condensation nucleates. Cars just happens to be a convenient explanation for the purposes of taxation and restriction. Global warming was the first version of the name with which to explain to the plebe why extreme weather was happening more frequently, to blame the plebe himself and to tax and control the plebes economic behavior. The problem is that extreme weather included a good component of 'below seasonal' temps, so 'global warming' as a terminology became ineffective and contradictory, so they coined the term "climate change" which is about as abstract as they could get, it seems. "climate change" suggests nothing about the root cause, without being accurate. "Climate change" is really and truthfully an apt terminology, given that yes the climate is being changed. The plebe never once wavers from what he's been told; "it's you!" to even consider that it's a decades old, international climate modification program which takes approximately ZERO (0) days off annually.
>inb4 (You)

>>16483709
I meant to say "without being INaccurate"

How am I supposed to get a good exhaust note?

>>16481273

Why do you think quoting someone like they're a retard helps your argument?

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Meanwhile at the EPA

>>16480804
Smog isn't global warming
And the EPA isn't in control of smog emissions, it's county level.

Basically you're fucking stupid.

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>You will live to see the resource wars fought with nuclear weapons and climate refugees flood all western countries to the point of collapse in your lifetime

>>16483892
Slow down on the Hollywood movies pls

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The faster Trump turns California into a toxic hellhole the faster Caliexit can happen

>>16483868
EPA has emission standards since 1972 retard.

It's just up to the state and county level to choose to enforce it afterwards.

>>16483914
>county level to choose to enforce it
hmm

>>16480804
id put 4 cats on my turbo ls1 and have that bitch blow cleaner than a prius if they would just let me keep the fucking turbo on.

the whole gas analyzer test was that for the specific purpose of TESTING THE FUCKING EXHAUST GASSES. But no, that wasnt enough for you fuckholes, not only do you need to know that the exhaust is clean, but also that the parts installed were graced by the CARB priests that charge an extra billion dollars for your fucking parts.

if the exhaust is clean its fucking clean, no matter how its done or what parts are used. this bullshit has gone too fucking far.

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>>16483924
Why are liberals so brain dead?

>>16480967
Smog isn't caused by car exhausts. The exhaust is clear. How could it cause brown smog?

>>16481194
Your NOx emissions are worth 40 cars. Stop straight piping your shitbox. Your shit inline 4 sounds like a wet fart.

>>16481918
You're a retard. Enjoy choking on your own exhaust.

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Meanwhile, Miami is raising streets and installing pumping stations to keep out the rising oceans.

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>>16480864
>Pay a scientist to agree
>Ostracize all who don't
WOW 98%!

global warming is a natural trend and in no way caused by humans. And if it is caused by humans, it's the chinese, not america. And it's industry, not cars.

Go back to driving a 1.5l diesel peugeot that runs on gay sex and uncontrolled immigration you limp dick faggot.

>>16484533
>hear that guys?? 98% of scientist have been BRIBED
>only these 4 over here are telling the truth! totally not bought and paid I swear

>>16484541
who are you quoting?

>>16484541
They constantly move goal posts. They don't even call it global warming anymore.

Global warming is real but we're well past the point of stopping it. Just look at the polar ice growth charts for this year, they finally fell off the standard up-down pattern and are dropping hard. It's over, not even trying really fucking hard for 20 years is going to stop us from having serious drought and famine.

>>16484551
That's because retards like you heard global warming and assumed it was false because you had the worst winter in years meanwhile the coldest places in the world are warming up at a massive pace and farmlands are all struggling to do their farming thing.

>>16484558
Oh really? Have you been to those places? Are you a farmer?

>>16483982
>>16484468
>tfw live in none of these counties
>tfw my shitbox has no egr
feels good

>>16483828

>The EPA(that is, taxpayers) should pay for the fuckups of private industry

Found the cuck

>>16484575
Yeah, I live in the central valley in California and it's a big struggle here which is kinda shitty given that, y'know, we feed half of the US or so. And yes, some of the previous shitholes that were terrible for farming are getting greener but something tells me moving all of our infrastructure to the states where it's now more viable to farm isn't actually too useful a plan.
Where do you live, anon? Let me guess, you had a nice cold winter and a mild summer and so everything seems a-ok on your front, yes?

>>16484575
>Have you been to those places?

are you retarded?

>>16484575
>have you ever driven outside of a city?

I know this is bait but come on now.

>>16484582
Enjoy choking on your own smog.

Used to believe global warming was real, but the fucking scientists at universities put their monitoring stations next to air conditioning units and onto roofs. Don't even get me started on all the weather stations that are on a huge slab of concrete and give false high average daily temperature data. Ofc they all said it was fine but you'd think a scientists would know what a fucking heat island is.

>>16480868

Global temperatures when dinosaurs walked the land don't fucking mean anything when the earth is a volcanic play ground you ponce.

>>16480804
ya they live in a shithole like la

>>16480864
98% of the scientists are pretty irrelevant to this particular issue though.

i'd find it more convincing if you didn't mention them as an appeal to authority

>>16481434
That argument can be used to justify any response to fantasy scenario

For example, why aren't you religious?
There's no harm done if you're wrong

>>16484721
douchey fuccboi mexicans/10
>vista del honda

>>16480854
IM GONNA DIE SOON SO FUCK ALL OF YOU WHO CARES

ITS THIS KIND OF MENTALITY THAT ENSURES THAT ALL THE CARS WE LOVE WONT EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO EXHIST WITHIN 200 YEARS

>>16484728
>implying I'm not religious
go2churchlol

>>16484756
On the other hand, so--in most plausible scenarios--does a coordinated response to global warming. Contra George Miller's acclaimed series of documentaries on the subject, total environmental collapse will probably be bad for hooning. But so will a world of mandated self-driving electric shitboxes in which circuits are closed down for noise and emissions violations.

>>16484782
Ok then, have you heard of roko's basilisk?

>>16484784
once or twice

>tfw nerds started out as atheists and accidentally reinvented religion

>>16484601
Too cold?

>>16480804
Much of that smog in Los Angeles is from China. you can see the brown air over the ocean west of Los Angeles coming in. Even as far north as Seattle, the air coming in from the ocean is smoggy although no where as much as what I saw in California.

>>16484756
Carbon sequestering, HCCI internal combustion engines, and other improvements to internal combustion along with banning coal and natural gas for power production and widespread nuclear power would easily keep things going for another 200 years. By the time nuclear waste is a problem we will have a solution for it.

>>16480858
>global warming is a hoax
>smog is real because I can see it

Hehe

>>16484709
yeah I'm sure the scientists completely forgot to account for that, and you, wise anon, are the defender of the truth

>>16484709
>Americans are actually this fucking retarded

>>16480858
florida is flooding.
phillipines is killed by super typhoon so they will will migrate to california.
enjoy.

what are the oil companies end game?
everyone dies but they'll swim in their fiat currency?

>>16486168
why would a sociopath care about things that will happen after they die?

>>16483681
>13.8mpg
what car?

>>16484533
wow, retard.
it's not just one source, it's a combination of all sources.
how much exxon paid you to shill?

>>16480804

I want 1.2x the horsepower in my supercharged V8. I want unrelenting power. I want a car so goddamn fast it can outrun the rising oceans.

I couldn't give a hit less about emissions. I want a race car.

>>16486277
>I want a car so goddamn fast it can outrun the rising oceans.
0.00000002482647 mph at a 1% grade?

>>16480854

Are you the Anon with stomach cancer?

>>16480804

If everyone had an electric car, the smog over LA wouldn't exist.

>>16486277
sounds like you want an electric car.

Vehicle density matters, believe it or not. It's a waste of time and money to do emissions testing in rural areas but essential in cities if you want to prevent smog

Different places are different, hrurrrr

>>16480864
The severity of global warming is a meme.

Consider for a moment that you have been listening to popsci "researchers" who boil down peer reviewed studies and then distort them with bias so they can "do good" when they misinform you on TV, and not actual scientists.

>facts:
>complex changes to the global climate, some countries will actually benefit, biodiversity meme will take a temporary hit and evolve to adapt
>alarmist idiocy, because the countries that stand to benefit are all the white ones and the goyim can't know:
>END OF THE WORLD.

I hear summer in finland is supposed to be nice this year.

>>16487239
>Consider for a moment that you have been listening to popsci "researchers" who boil down peer reviewed studies and then distort them with bias so they can "do good" when they misinform you on TV, and not actual scientists.

[citation needed]

>>16486168
Arabs have no foresight at all. That's why they buy exotics as daily drivers. They're really bad at spending money and can't into economics.

>>16481305
I get this is out of context but have you considered being cryogenically suspended until a cure is found? Just trying to help you out man. Wish you all the best

>>16487309
>[citation needed]
[1]"The real world is not the utopian, idealistic. noble paradise you think it is"

>[1]An adult's perspective on real-life

>>16487810
nice non source, faggot
again

>">Consider for a moment that you have been listening to popsci "researchers" who boil down peer reviewed studies and then distort them with bias so they can "do good" when they misinform you on TV, and not actual scientists."

prove it. that's some big bold claims you're making there. go ahead and prove them

>>16487967
>>16487810
I'm a different anon. I joined in to highlight how naive and juvenile your world view is because other anon is right, and you're in denial.

>>16480864
Look at NASAs actual UPDATED climate models... Global warming is a farce.

I wonder why scientists could be pushing a false agenda... Would it have anything to do with getting their grubby hands on the billion dollar a day industry that literally sprouted overnight less than 30 years ago thanks to a businessman who is now hiding in china because the canadian and usa government want to throw him in jail for fraud?

>>16480875
>And those varying temperatures were never a spike in such a fast period of time
Literally impossible to prove.

>>16480994
>I know you are either from some statist country. Either Europe, Australia
>Australia
Bitch please, we all know global warming is a joke here. We almost had out entire manufacturing industry destroyed because of a socialist who wanted to tax the fuck out of carbon dioxide.

>>16481007
Appeal to authority fallacy. Try again.

>>16481273
>A warming of a few degrees would be enough for that to happen
LMAO, people are actually this stupid. Where did you hear that? Your 8th grade science class? Fuck off.

>>16484585
>Yeah, I live in the central valley in California and it's a big struggle here
NOTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SELLING OFF ALL YOUR MOTHER FUCKING WATER IN A TIME OF DROUGHT AND HAVING FUCKING ALMONDS AS YOUR MAIN PRODUCE
HOLY FUCK HOW STUPID ARE PEOPLE

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>>16484506
>street floods due to storms or something
>water pours out onto sidewalk and into houses with extra pressure

>>16484585
>>16488341 is approximately right about the Central Valley desu. Part of why Indians never developed large-scale agriculture in CA is intensity of droughts every 100-300 years or so as far as we can judge from tree rings and the like. CA just happened to be settled by whites during a period of anomalously good weather.

>>16480804
There are few problems:
Downsizing + turbo was a mistake. Manufactures have focused on gaming EPA/NEDC tests.
And low power engine is perfect for that, because speeds during tests are super low.
EPA cycle that is supposedly better, has several hard braking moment that allows hybrids to recover energy and is to random.

Manufacturers are blinded by turbos and now hybrids because it's "research-free" and even basic cam switch is considered too expensive. Not to mention improving intake by "natural" means.

turbo cars have lower Compression Ratio

CAFE forces to try retarded ideas that don't uphold real world conditions

WLTP guys are fucking delusional because it suffers from the same flaws as EPA tests, in result, it will change dogshit

>>16481105
>40mpg diesel
when this meme will stop, it's popular even in Europe

>>16484584
>Environmental PROTECTION Agency
>Doesn't PROTECT the environment
Sabre rattling doesn't count

>>16486510

THIS.

>>16480967
Kek

>>16480868
What fucking difference does it make whos fault it is. We sure as shit arent helping reversing it in any way, regardless of whos "fault" it is.

>>16481394
>>16484533
This

>Lol, scientists. What do they know?

ITT

>>16481001
sorry to break it to you but ripping apart your e36 shitbox and dropping 200lbs is nothing compared to gaining 20whp

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>>16486155
Flooding itself can sort of be dealt with, think Venice. but with Florida the entire state is poised to turn into sinkholes, each time it floods you're washing away more limestone under the foundations of everything above it. The ocean level doesn't need to rise above Florida, it's ready to sink itself under the ocean, all it needs is more rain.

>>16492070
that's Americans for you

>those darn elitist science people with their facts, hard evidence and scientific methods! I'm just a God fearing hard working American and lemme tell ya: they might be the intellectual elite, but I have a gut feeling dey is lyin11! And I trust my gut feelings!

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Blame cruise ships and airplanes. Cars pale in comparison to emissions that those fuckers put out.

>>16492615
It doesn't even have to be about gut feeling. Americans like to deny science simply because they're too annoyed by it.

>fuck off with your air pollution lies, I can't be fucked to replace my catalytic converter, also straight pipes are cooler than science

>>16492615
>that's stupid people for you
FTFY

>>16483694
>Florida ceases to exist
Your not helping your argument

>>16492070
>>16492615
>>16493899
>naive
These guys think THEY know the science themselves and really think "science" can't be used specifically as a political tool. These guys, who are easily moved simply by the mention of " facts, hard evidence and scientific methods", think that scientists have to be honest by some physical law and never take bribes, funding or mandates form political forces that pay them.

This is your future. A dreamworld of idealistic naivete.

>>16492615
>those darn elitist science people with their facts, hard evidence
Yet to see any of this...

I like how global warmists seriously believe cold cut 100% that the earth is going to dry up within 100 years and in less than 25 years coastlines along all nations will go inland 5 miles (the scientist who said this lives in multi million dollar beach front property, lmao). I mean after all thats what numerous scientists have said... And scientists can never be wrong. Several scientists in my nation have even said that its never going to rain again... 3 months later biggest floods that state has ever seen :^)

And when anyone stands up and says "hold on, I dont think any of this is right..." they are immediately met with wanna elitist belittling from the warmists...
So pathetic.

By the way, climate change model simulations are exactly that. Scientists ptus a bunch of "ESTIMATED FUTURE DATA" into a computer and their custom made program spits out the results they want to see. Lmao, cold hard facts my fucking ass.

>>16494241
>>16494241
Thanks anon. Its a FOUR BILLION dollar A DAY industry just in the USA, that is propped by nothing but government policy brought about by plain old conjecture. And this industry wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for an assumption about relative humidity. And its the only major industry in the world dependent on consumer and voter ignorance. No wonder the alarmists oppose anyone who questions their 'beliefs' so rabidly...

Throw all the 'non-believers' into a basket of 'rednecks, uneducated hicks, crazy church goers, and evil people'... Pressure the naive retards into believing it through not wanting to be lumped in 'that other group'.

Having it forced down childrens throats as facts in school doesnt help either... The money hungry kikes can do that to support the future growth of their fake industry but no mention of God or Christian values should be allowed in school! Fuck this world.

>>16494241

>all scientists are crooked
>I just know it
>don't ask me how I know, what are you, naive?
>this clearly biased anti climate change website bought and paid by Exxon is telling the truth. Wake up sheeple!

fag

>>16494329
>all scientists are 100% correct even when shitting out 'theories'
>I just know it because i was told so in school
>don't ask me how I know, what are you, stupid redneck non-believer?
>this clearly biased pro climate change website bought and paid by "green energy product" manufacturer is telling the truth. Wake up sheeple!

FOUR BILLION DOLLARS A DAY
Where does it go?

>>16494340
>I have no fucking idea what a theory is, the Retard
>I'm just going to assume that because science might get some facts incorrect, its because they're being dishonest.
>not like those darn elitist scientists have a "scientific method" of sorts
>all these scientists from different countries, many of which aren't even aligned in the same policies are clearly conspiring on a global scale to lie to the public about climate change! I mean, they have nothing to gain from it, but they are CLEARLY lying
>at the end of the day it's just a theory, just like gravity is only a theory

Ameritards, everyone

>>16494362
Its cute that you cant have a discussion like a big boy and have to meme text instead.

>I mean, they have nothing to gain from it, but they are CLEARLY lying
Scientists work for free now?

Again, FOUR BILLION DOLLARS A DAY!
Where does it go?

FOUR
BILLION
A
DAY
ON
CLIMATE
CHANGE
JUST
IN
THE
FUCKING
USA

EACH
AND
EVERY
DAY

Yeah, no one has anything to gain from this industry that sprouted up overnight thanks to a businessman (Maurice Strong) that is now hiding in china (i think he may be dead now idk) because the 1st world governments want to arrest him for fraud and conducting business with osama bin laden!

Ignorant fucking child.

>>16494411
sorry bud, screaming like a retard about "4 million dollars a day" is not an argument. you don't even know what a theory is btw

typical republicunt. dumb as a brick, thinks he's oh so smart because he's too dumb to see the big picture

>>16494433
>he's too dumb to see the big picture
No anon that would be you. Typical naive serf who blindly follows what the big boys say. Hand over all your money in the name of climate change, its okay.

I'm intelligent enough to see good business when its in front of me... I see the big picture...

You say scientists, lobbyists, policy makers, manufacturers of "green products" have no interest in pushing climate change?
Taxing carbon dioxide is a full retard move, and a full retard move many left leaning tree humping governments are pushing for.. Take all that extra money from businesses, small primarily, large businesses never pay tax anyway, increase cost of living for families.. Who gains here? Big business and government, and any lobbyists or scientists who wish to get their grubby hands on grant money. Thats just one example...

Government makes policy to promote green energy? OKAY! Time for thousands of business to pop up overnight, import cheap ass chinkshit solar panels that dont even work, hook them up to government buildings, get mad money from government... Yeah... Nothing to gain for anyone.
Dont say this doesnt happen either because I used to work for a company involved in this shit and they made MILLIONS from importing chinkshit solar panels and reselling them to people with government contracts for a fucking markup of 800%. And government pays for materials of course, with money they take from your pocket through increased taxes...

Fuc koff kid its obvious you are still in highschool or something

>>16480804
>>>/n/

>>16480896
>According to most alarmists by 2016 the world should've been covered in water (from the ice caps melting) and land rendered inhabitable due to insanely high temperatures
Wow. Do you actually believe this or am I just being baited? Nobody was predicting the world would be covered with water and uninhabitable by 2016.

>>16480804
>wont regulate buses, bikes, barges
Yeah okay

>>16487967
That's something you can verify yourself in 30 minutes. If you accept the fact of global warming you must surely accept the FACT, and not the FANTASY, a prerequisite for which is seeing the data for yourself.

TV and liberal rag popsci faggots tell you the world is ending. The data tells you that the pleasant weather some portions of the world enjoys is ending. The popsci faggots tell you that we will all starve. The data tells us that certain regions will produce fewer crops, while some others may be able to produce more. The popsci faggots told you that rising sea levels would drown florida. The data tells you that if anything, melting glaciers will disrupt oceanic currents and trigger an ice age far before florida becomes one with the sea. The popsci faggots told you that countless species would go extinct and that is bad. The data says that countless species will definitely go extinct and doesn't say anything more than that because the value of the ecosystem is more subjective than not so long as the area still supports life. Not every fucking animal is carrying an undiscovered medicine in its veins. I, for one, welcome the demise of those stupid white bears.

>>16497748
>popsci simplifies things and may include opinions

STOP THE PRESSES

>>16480804

>not realising the EPA is just a stealth subsidy for the unprofitable renewables industry

>>16480864
98% of scientists used to agree the world was flat.
Consensus =/= fact
Plus that survey asked if they thought humans had an effect on the environment. Not to what degree or if it even hurt.

>>16500435
>trump voter just cant accept the facts

>is now saying that the world is flat

>>16500444
Not only are you wrong, but that's a non sequitur. You're also far too dumb to understand a simple analogy. I'm saying it's just because everyone thinks something that doesn't make it correct.

>>16500477
That just because*

>>16480804
>hurr dude our air is shit
>instead of imposing laws that fix our state, let's impose laws that fuck everybody over

Liberal logic in a nutshell: if you don't like it, ruin the fun for everyone

>>16500435

Scientists don't dictate what is fact. Evidence does. Scientists came to the consensus that the world was flat because it the best conclusion they could make with the evidence they had.

All "facts" are merely theories. Reality can't be proven, but it can be observed.

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>>16500515
You accidentally just agreed with me. Of all the scientists who have tried none of them have come up with a reliable 5 or 10 year climate model. Climate scientists must keep people in fear to keep their government funded jobs.