Why can't America make a sports car

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What about this?

>>16471177
Pretty sure that was ridiculously over priced.

>>16471177
>automatic
>heavy
>slow
>expensive as hell for what it is

why do I even browse /o/ these days

market is saturated

nothing about americana screams roadster

>>16471127
But those were good. So good infact that the Saturn reskin was also sold in Europe as an Opel/Vauxhall.

>>16471207
>market is saturated

So is every other car segment

>>16471218

it's the other way around, opels were reskinned as saturns

>>16471218
>So good infact that the Saturn reskin was also sold in Europe as an Opel/Vauxhall.
just an Opel. It wasn't sold as a Vauxhall because the Delaware plant wasn't equipped to build RHD cars.
But Vauxhall got the VXR8 that Opel didn't get so I guess it's even.

>>16471226
>it's the other way around, opels were reskinned as saturns
Not in the case of the Saturn Sky. The Saturn Sky, Opel GT, and Daewoo G2X were all built in the Delaware plant in America and then exported to whichever country.
The Opel GT is a rebadged Saturn Sky, not the other way around.

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>>16471232
>>16471227
>>16471218
>>16471226

>America wants a sports car
>the best they could do was rebadge a Dae-Woo with a Saturn emblem

yikes

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>>16471127
because no one will buy it

Literally mustang.

>>16471127
Because GM let Pontiac die, when affordable sports cars was Pontiac's forte.

>>16471265
>4000lb
>$35,000

>affordable sports car

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>>16471271
>>16471271
>affordable sports cars was Pontiac's forte.

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>>16471271
>Pontiac's forte
The Forte isn't exactly a sports car...

>>16471274
It might not be your ideal sports car but it still is one. Also closer to 3500lbs.

>>16471274

So what are those affordable sports cars for Germany, GB, France, and japan.

>>16471320
>1300lb heavier than a Miata

>>16471335
Germany: can't think of any
Britain: tons of tiny operation sports cars available
France: Peugeot RCZ, various Renaultsports cars that are stripped out and not just dressed up econoboxes
Japan: Miata, BRZ/GT86

>>16471258
>>the best they could do was rebadge a Dae-Woo with a Saturn emblem
The Daewoo G2X wasn't added until mid-2008, so it was only around for 1 and a half model years and late in the production life. badging it as a Daewoo for South Korea only was a literal afterthought.
It was designed as a Saturn first and foremost. The Kappa cars use the rear suspension from the Sigma platform Cadillac CTS and the transmissions (with different gear ratios) from the Chevrolet Colorado and Hummer H3 trucks. Daewoo never had access to any of those to develop anything and the Kappa platform's development predates GM buying Daewoo in 2002.

>>16471127
I think it's because the U.S got spoiled by having companies like MG, Triumph, and, Porsche export to it early on

>>16471320
>Also closer to 3500lbs.
no it isn't. The Mustang GT is around 3800 lbs. Which last I checked was closer to 4000 lbs than to 3500 lbs.

>>16471352

japan: Two cars that get gapped by base model mustang and camaro.

France:
>Fwd
>Sport car
pick one.

Britain: tons that you can't name, most likely all fwd.

>>16471352
>Germany: can't think of any
>France: Peugeot RCZ
If you're gonna count the RCZ, you'd have to count the Audi TT.
Which you don't.

The RCZ isn't a sports car, it's a somewhat sporty coupe on a FWD econobox platform.

""""""""""""""""Hot"""""""""""""""" hatches aren't sports cars either.

Because no one in America wants a cramped, slow as shit, uncomfortable as fuck, minimalist wannabe race car.

So we invented the pony car. Compact, fast, great handling, with enough power and speed to eat your average pro-am euro spec race car on American streets and at the race track.

Speaking of which, we don't have tiny cobble stone streets made for horse carriages and shopping trolleys. So we can actually have some road to spare and since our gas and insurance is cheaper we don't need to fill up our sub-liter diesels and lust after something that has enough power to get out of it's own way.

>>16471284
What is the Fiero, the G8, the Solstice, and every single Banshee concept that Pontiac tried to make over five decades that was shitcanned by GM because they knew it would be better than the Corvette?

Everything boils down to GM is a bunch of assholes.

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>>16471127
Literally faster than a Miata of similar vintage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6nV12oMIm4

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>>16471258

>>16471127
corvette??? I mean its like double the price of a miata but still

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>>16471395
>>16471395
>Britain: tons that you can't name, most likely all fwd.

Are you dense?

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>>16471408
>""""""""""""""""Hot"""""""""""""""" hatches aren't sports cars either.

If this isn't a sports car, then there aren't any sports cars

>>16471410
>Because no one in America wants...

Yet USA has been gobbling up Japanese and British sports cars since day 1

>>16471421
>What is the Fiero

MR2 wannabe, mostly caught on fire

>G8

rebadged Holden/Vauxhall, not even a sportscar anyway

>Solstice

1 car

>Banshee concept

are you kidding m8

>>16471721
Corvette ain't a sports car

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>>16471873
Exactly, this is why there are so many sports cars on the market right now... Oh wait....

>>16471879
>MR2 wannabe,
except it was in development before Toyota decided to go with the MR2
>mostly caught on fire
No. Only early build 1984 4 cylinder. The problem was fixed by 1985 and never reached the V6 cars anyways.

>>16471879
>MR2 wannabe
The second generation of that wannabe car beat the pants off the Corvette with a V6 with DOHC stuck on the heads of what used to be a OHV engine

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really makes you think

>>16471887
People just buy Miatas and 86s because nothing else is available. That doesn't mean people wouldn't buy other things if they were available. But this might be too complicated for you to understand.

>>16471898
>The second generation of that wannabe car beat the pants off the Corvette

One wannabe beats another overrated car.

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>>16471907

>>16471879
>are you kidding m8
the first generation banshee concept was literally rebadged into the third generation corvette

>>16471915
Did you miss that the fiero predates the MR2 or are you choosing to be retarded

>>16471909
You don't think the market reflects the demand?

If there were a larger merket for such cars the market segment would be much larger. no manufacturer is going to leave money on the table if there is demand in a segment. You're too stupid to understand this.

Small sports cars are few and far between because the demand is very low.

>>16471924
you're bringing up concept cars to support the claim that Pontiac is known for its sports cars

>>16471870
That is a shitbox, sir.

>>16471939
>>16471879
>>16471896
>Toyota starts designing MR2 in 1976
>GM starts designing Fiero in 1978

>>16471127
What, like a Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, Charger, or Corvette?

I don't know. America is weird.

>>16471978
Pontiac pitched the Fiero to GM brass in 1975.

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>>16472009
So it's an X1/9 ripoff, then.

>>16471850
You said that the base pony cars are too expensive and you post this?

>>16471421
>>16471879
The Banshee was killed because GM wanted to punish Delorean for the GTO and because they hated sports cars. The C3 was supposed to be MR and release in 67, but GM wanted it dead. After a ton of complaining the best compromise they could make was the Banshee styling would be repurposed on a rebodied C2 to keep the Corvette alive and the Pontiac could keep producing the GTO.

The Fiero takes a ton of development from the mid engine C4 that was being developed in the 70s. When GM killed it to make an FR car to compete against the 924. That is when Delorean took his chance to get a MR car to Pontiac. Chevy had the Turbo C4 and C4 GTO were production ready and emission compliant, but GM refused to put it into production because the Corvette is not allow to be a race car. The gen 2 Fiero was killed the same time the MR C5 was killed. Sadly the Fiero was taken out back and shot right there. The Corvette got to live on as the C4 for six years longer than it was supposed to. The C5 we got in 97 was made in secret with no money and no GM approval.

Basically yeah GM is a bunch of assholes.

>>16471127
Why produce what other foreign comapnies already produce and produce very well? That's the entire point of globalized capitalism. Only nationalist retards would think that America not making a light sports car is bad because some other country is making it.

We do big muscle cars and trucks. We should stick with what we're known for.

>>16472014
but faster, safer, and more reliable.

>>16471884
Then what kind of car is it? I'm being serious, don't give me some stupid smartass remark.
>2 seats
>high power and torque
>around 3300lbs
>RWD

>>16471983
Literally none of those are sports cars

>>16472126
>>16472078
A Corvette is a sports car

>>16472028
That Caterham brand new costs the equivalent of $19K US in UK rupees. It's even less if you opt to put it together yourself

>>16471873

Yup. And we also see only one type of car sold in America continuously for the past 50 years. How did the Fairlady 800 do in the States? Before it was canceled and came back with a MUCH bigger car with a straight six most Americans ripped out and swapped with a small block chevy called the Scarab.

How about the NSX? The Supra with it's Corolla roots?

We won't even mention Sprites and MGs because no one could keep them on the road long enough to enjoy them.

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>>16472014

"Nobody could have possibly come up with an idea in America, especially Pontiac, of a rear wheel drive rear engine manual car"

>>16472145
I actually saw an original MG when putting around Michigan a few months ago. Pretty neat.

>>16472136
and when you go to the US Caterham website, the cheapest kit is $33,900.
cheap and cheerful my ass. And that's without an engine.

>>16472180
Or a roof! Damn Brits are so cheap, they make the Jews look generous

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>(trigger warning not on anyone's side)
These threads are always autistic as fuck. people make a thread saying "Why doesn't "X" do "Y" then give no fucking definition of what "Y" is and when people try to post cars meeting whatever definition given for "Y" it either leads to retarded benchracing or a new goalpost that wasn't previously mentioned or other people post cars that contradict their own definition.

It reminds me of the "Super Car" thread which was also made without any real agree'able definition and when one was given and some actual considerable examples were posted the goalpost just became "Well super cars have to be iconic and well known like lambo" and it ended there.

>>16472180
yes a low volume car imported in small numbers to the US costs quite a bit more due to various shitty laws

that doesn't change the fact that it exists

>>16472133
it's a grand touring car

>>16472250
except it's imported under kit car regulations. A $5000 price hike is reasonable. But not a $15k price hike. Especially since the dealer for Caterhams in the USA is Superformance, the go-to leaders for accurate Shelby Cobra, Shelby Daytona, Ford GT40, and Corvette C2 Gran Sport replica kits

>>16472047
>Only nationalist retards would think that America not making a light sports car is bad because some other country is making it.

...or we want more choice. I mean no one says the Corvette needs to get killed off because Porsche already makes the 911

>>16472078
Grand touring coupe, Mustangs+Camaros are pony cars

>>16472302
More choice is fine. But to say it's objectively bad is wrong.

>>16472268
>. A $5000 price hike is reasonable

Why? Is it because you're a statist?

>>16472268
>a child defending federal regulations on what cars you can buy

wow it's like I'm really on reddit.net

>>16472310
Who said anything about objectively wrong? The OP says

>Why can't America make a sports car

American can make SUVs, electric cars, supercars, and everything in-between

>>16471127
noone wants a roadster in the US because they want muscle cars which in fairness have bigger numbers ON PAPER

>>16471352
>RCZ
>1.6L engine
>turbo not available outside yurop
nah

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>tfw no GXP

>>16472252
You are a retard

corvette

https://youtu.be/nqh7yAWpOWI

>>16471127
>Why is it that America can't build a basic affordable sports car when literally every other country can?
The v6 Mustang is the best selling sports coupe in the world. What more do you want Europe?