8 years later, what are your thoughts on Cash4Clunkers?

>>16469251
The same thing I thought 8 years ago

It's a shit program.

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>>16469251
Still boils my blood when I think about it.

it worked, it got tons of really inefficent shitty hunks of shit off the road

yea some corvettes and other nice cars got burned but any retard that woulda traded that in probably didnt take care of it anyways

>>16469267
furthermore i bet any money there will be a similar program again and again and again as the government presses the people to give up on gas powered vehicles

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I can only think of robin williams when i hear cash for clunkers

>>16469267
>>16469273
>leased automatic FRS
>leased automatic Evo
You're exactly the type of person that this program appealed to.

>gotta have a new car all the time!
>gotta look cool!
>gotta be a lazy cunt though, I'm not wasting my energy shifting my own gears

It did get hunks of shit off the road. But it also eliminated a metric fuck ton of great cheap cars that were never hunks of shit. It took those great cars off the road permanently, because they had their engines killed and were marked for restriction from ever being registered again. And as a side effect, millions of used engines that could give life to other cars/projects were disabled beyond repair.

Good goys for buying new cars though.

I liked it. If I had a job back then I would have traded in my old shitty explorer and bought a cheap saturn ion redline.

I currently own that car but it's past it's prime. least it was cheap. would have been a great buy after c4c since saturn was then recently axed.

>>16469251
Ruined the used car market en large

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In case anyone doesn't know what this program involved doing to the cars that are traded in

What is it?

>>16469381
Why? Why did they brick the engine and told people they couldn't buy the chassis or anything but the tranny and axle?

>>16469406
Because muh gas mileage, and to prevent scrappers from just reselling the cars. They also had to report each VIN as scrapped under the C4C program.

It was fucked.

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Just think of how many of these little cuties died because of it.

Shitbox Holocaust.

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>car collector dies of old age
>his family gives his collection to cash4clunkers

got a lot of garbage off the road so I think it was a success

>>16470369
0 since they got too much mpg to be traded in

>>16470369
If you posted the wagon, I would care

>>16470385
This.

why do I get the feeling most of you retards dont know what cash for clunkers was

it was mostly garbage SUVs and trucks that got traded in

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>>16470388
kek

>oh no, uncle bubba's geo metro collection!!111

>>16470426
it was obviously Bubbas 2436 Camaros that got done in

>>16470437
>no lowballers I know what I got

Now Bubba's rusted camaro collection is now recycled, too bad he never got to sell any of them

Hurt the engine swap market something fierce

In the last five years I've seen a grand total of three carburated engines in the you'll yards and one of those was a slant six powered generator

>>16469406
>Why? Why did they brick the engine and told people they couldn't buy the chassis or anything but the tranny and axle?

They need to kill the VIN too in order to prevent laundering of stolen car parts into a new clean VIN. Cash for Clunkers did reduce the opportunities for people doing just that. For example, some stolen car rings operated used car lots. Various car gangs full of dindu or mexicans would steal cars, move the parts onto a scrap car with valid VIN, and then sell the car thru the used car lot.

>>16469273
The government isn't giving up on gas you dumb shit the Rothies would recircumcise them all

It boosted the price of reliable DD's made parts for 2 of my cars impossible to find and was a gross misuse of tax money...
So 8 years later i hate it more then when it happened.

More like cash for cuckers

>Have a dream of owning a junkyard
>SO MANY free/cheap garbage cars
>Cash for clunkers happens
>Now the only shitboxes left cost $1000+

Fuck.

>>16469362
>>16469273
>>16469267
Get out.

fucked the used car market forever and made our traffic look like shit

>>16469251
Horribly executed and did irreversible damage to the used car market

I bought a car under C4C, AMA.

>>16472016
Where do you live so I can rape you and drive your car into a river?

>>16469267
man you are genuinely a fucking retard

>hey guys why don't you trade in your perfectly good cars, have us PAY money to have them destroyed, and then give you money to buy a brand new car you didn't need in the first place? it's genius! it'll stimulate the economy and you get a new car11!!!

>>16469251
I used salvaged parts at the used car lot I worked at and it was like Christmas! CFC put lots of organ donors into the Copart auction system and thence to salvage.

I went to the auctions and it was indeed mostly shit that got traded in, but the lot where I worked bought cars with clean paper at auction then used body, interior, suspension etc parts from our salvagebro so it was all win.

>In the last five years I've seen a grand total of three carburated engines in the you'll yards and one of those was a slant six powered generator

Not that many carbed vehicles got the axe because they were long obsolete before CFC, but most yards did and do crush anything over ten years old to make space. THAT'S why you don't see a lot of carbed vehicles like you used to. A lot of them got crushed when scrap was high before the recession. Typical is when a yard has more than 100 hulks they call in a portable crusher if they don't own one and clean house.

>Have a dream of owning a junkyard

Learn how they work. You don't buy for salvage off Craigslist, you fucking buy at auction. Scrap is cheap so organ donor prices are low. You need land, permits, dealer license, to do proper recordkeeping and asset control so you can make money. Cut off all your catalytic converters then lock 'em up until sale so they don't get stolen. Cat buyers use cash and nobody declares that income. There are other tricks of the trade but you really need to work salvage for a while to learn them.

>>16469251
Obongo holocausted the used car market, hence Americlaps needing to scour Craigslist or go on their knees to stealerships.

>>16469267
>>16469273
>leased automatic FR-S
>claims 500awhp on a stock DCT automatic Evo with no dyno sheet as evidence

>>16472130
Cool post thx anon ausfag here this is fascinating

>>16472163
Your Australian automobile ecosystem will be similar, because it deals with vehicle lifecycles.

New cars turn into used cars which eventually die and are sold for scrap, impounded, or abandoned then impounded. Dealers adjust inventories nationally by buying and selling at auction. Salvage yards get stock from auctions, towing companies etc.

In the US some outfits with dealer licenses will bid for vehicles at auction as a proxy for a private party. Copart IIRC is the largest auctioneer.

https://www.copart.com/

>>16472153
>Obongo holocausted the used car market,

Corrected for inflation, shitbox prices haven't changed much. A thousand dollar shitbox in 1980 would be about three grand today.

>>16469267
>>16469273
>destroyed the used car market
>at all OK

>>16472383
And lastly, since every crushed car led to a purchase, the overall pool of vehicles was not reduced.

>>16472383
>inflation was less almost 40 years ago
Really makes you think

>>16472383
>>16472393
>plenty of running shitboxes pre-c4c
>a fair amount get traded in
>supply goes down, demand remains the same
>shitbox prices increase as a result

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i am probably the most liberal pro-bernie hippy socialist person you'll ever meet, but even i thought it was retarded.

the main problem i had with it was that they would destroy the engine of the car and make it unusable. it was such a waste. people were trading in nearly brand new jeep liberties and they were being sent to the scrapyard. the least they could have done is donate them to charitable organizations or maybe use them to replace aging vehicles in government fleets.

another problem was that it ultimately failed to achieve it's intended goal, stimulating the US auto industry. you can look it up yourself, but the top makes of cars that were sold under this program were asian (honda, toyota), not american.

i think this poor program really just reflects the incredible panic the government was facing at the time and how they probably rushed a solution out the door without much though, just because they were so desperate to get some activity in the economy.

university studies have shown that the program had a net cost of 2000 per car and the average improvement in fuel efficiency was .8 gallons per mile.

SUV's were the most traded in, but some of interestest are:
Individual Vehicles

1987 Buick ASC GNX
1997 Aston Martin DB7 Volante
1997 Bentley Continental R
1989 20th Anniversary Pontiac Trans Am
1992 GMC Typhoon (no!)
1985 Audi Quattro
1992 BMW 850i
2006 Audi A4 Convertible
2006 Cadillac STS
2008 Foose F-150 (2)
2007 GMC Acadias (3)
2008 Hyundai Accent (see above)
2006 Nissan 350Z Roadster
2006 Roush Stage 3 F-150 (2)
2006 Toyota Corolla
2005 Mazda RX-8
2002 Kia Spectra
1988 Aurora Cobra kit car
1996 Buick Funeral Coaches/Hearses
1987 Duntov GT
1987 Excalibur Autos Phaeton
1990 Honda CRX (Less than 18 mpg?)
1985 Maserati Quattroporte
1999 Mercedes C43 AMG
1985 TVR 280i convertible

>>16472513
Groupings

(18) Audi S4 and S6
(31) AM General postal vehicles
(24) Alfa Romeo 164
(60) AMC Eagle
(53) Audi A8
(3,500+) BMWs including an M3, M5, Z3, 850i and (3) 740il Protection
(52) Cadillac Allante
(15) Cadillac Commercial Chassis/Limousines
(1,007) Chevy Camaro
(97) Chevy Corvette
(5) AWD Chrysler 300
(17) Chrysler Conquest
(39) Chrysler TC by Maserati
(3) Dodge Conquest
(6) Dodge Daytona
(210) Dodge Stealth
(16) Eagle Talon
(2) Federal Coach Lincoln Limo
(2) Ford Aspire (didn't these things get like 30 mpg?)
(855) Ford Crown Victoria CNG
(917) Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
(14) USPS Ford Explorer
(24) Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
(1,611) Ford Mustang (so Mustang beats Camaro here)
(107) Ford Taurus SHO (don't tell Neff)
(15) Isuzu Vehicross
(1,047) Jaguars including (9) XJR, (2) XK8 and (96) XJS
(3) Laforza SUV
(6) Maseratis including a Biturbo and the 1985 Quattroporte
(373) Mazda RX-7
(5,000+) Mercedes-Benz including (142) SL, (3) S600, a 1994 E500, a 1992 500E, 1995 C36 and 1999 C43
(26) Merkur Scorpio and (21) XR4Ti
(187) Mitsubishi 3000GT
(3) Mitsubishi Eclipse and (4) Starion
(2) 1984 Nissan 200SX, (2) 1994 240SX and (381) 300ZX
(1,935) Oldsmobile Aurora
(22) Peugeot
(87) Pontiac Aztek (more please), (61) Fiero and (569) Firebird/Trans Am/Formula
(6) Porsche 928 including (2) S4
(6) Porsche 944
(597) Saab
(3) Saturn
(20) Sterling
(173) Subaru including (123) SVX
(327) Toyota Supra, including (4) final generation

>>16472513
>Americans

A friend of mine asked me about this a while back and after I briefly explained it to him he compared it to gun buy back programs.

>>16469251
It was a good idea in theory, but the amount of old classics that got junked is frustrating.

>>16472533
it was retarded in theory as well

all it did was make people give up an asset they own, and get into a lease they cant afford to cause a temporary upward blip in the economy.

I worked at a car dealership as a detailer when this was happening. Wanna know what happened?

>Soccor mom or middle aged man brings in an older car or SUV
>CASH 4 CLUNKERS GIBS ME MONEY
>they give up an asset that was usually all already paid for, depending on the car it could have been as low as a few hundred to a few thousand
>they sign a lease they cant afford and now do not own the asset at all
>government spent months and months delaying payments so dealerships all took huge cuts from thier bottom lines waiting to be re-imbursed
>used car market is physically destroyed for young adults trying to climb the corporate ladder, many cities or areas do not have proper transport so cars are needed, and demand soars
>some people who didnt trade in for a lease just grabbed a somewhat more expensive used car, further reducing the market and inflating the prices
>hyperinflation in the used car market because of this
>2-3k entry level 6 year old buicks climbed to over 8k.

it was retarded from the start, let alone all the nice classics that got axed.

>>16472523

DELET THIS NOW

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>>16472513
>1987 Buick ASC GNX
>1992 GMC Typhoon
remember hearing that these were completely fucked up

>(173) Subaru including (123) SVX
A junkyard near me used to have two SVX shells but they were gone when I went a few months ago. I asked my old auto shop teacher about them and he said that years ago he tried to buy both of them when they were still mostly complete but they wouldn't sell him them.

I really want to know how many thousands of Ford Exploders died from C4C. Even still every junkyard is full of them, sitting there with their 31 spline 8.8 rear ends and GT40 heads waiting to be used to make cool shit.

Junkyard find thread?

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>>16472598
>6 year old cars for 2-3k
>you will never experience this

>>16472383
Why is a 1000 dollar shitbox I could have bought in 2005 easily worth 2-5 times as much nowadays.
I purely want to debate roadworthy cars that were removed or hidden from the market, not just cheap unreliable junkyard bait.
Shitbox being a 15-20 year old car at the bottom of its depreciation curve, something which would have had its MSRP just below government defined poverty level annual income.

An 82 Mitsubishi Colt or 91 Paseo at their depreciation bottom was close to 10-15% of the MSRP. Looking at more expensive suvs, an 86 Jimmy or 90 4runner was similar. Good luck finding an 03 Sentra or 02 Xterra/Trailblazer/Highlander for 15% of their MSRP.
Much more expensive cars still get heavy depreciation hits, full size lux cars and SUVs, but all the cheap shit somehow grew a higher floor. I wonder when it will change, because when prices of cheap cars remains the same from after the first depreciation hit through when it should floor (3-15 years) who in their right mind would pay the same for an older higher mileage car.

>>16472670
i was old enough that I needed a car right after this shit. Being in an area that uses road salt all winter it further inflated the price.

All that was left was the grandma gold 98-2003 ish yeah Buick lesabres for 7k+

>>16469323
Fucking this...

Arguably Obama's worst legacy imo

>>16472523
>(15) Isuzu Vehicross

Whoever sentenced these to death needs to be destroyed with the car. This is a fucking disgrace.

never forget this gore of a 2000 volvo T6 twin turbo and how long it took to die with that silicate shit in the engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0Pv6yyGek

>>16472920
Does Volvo even make cars anymore? Isn't this shit just a Ford?

dafuq happened to Volvo?

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>>16472523
>>16472513
>mfw

ITT: People who can't give up on the relics of the past.

If the car was worse less than 2k as a shell, it wasn't worth keeping around.

Meanwhile cars actually get decent gas mileage now for once. Hurray.

>>16473001
It's not just that we have a problem that the cars were sentenced to death when turned in through this program. Even if we were okay with that, it was OUR money that was paying for other people's new cars. Cars that they should have paid for themselves. It is not the taxpayers' job to provide for those too lazy to work for a new car and too prissy to drive an old car

>>16473001
>all the 2k cars are gone
>3k cars will totally not go up in price :^)

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>>16473001
>meanwhile cars actually get decent gas mileage for once

I see some pretty simple stagnation, cars are still going to get heavier

>>16473087
why the fuck does your time axis decrease to the right?

great because it make the poorfags suffer with buy here pay here

It got a lot of trucks and SUVs off the

As someone who only does cars and motorcycles I am grateful. Crash safety ratings can't save you from a bumper at neck level or piss poor visiblity plus soccer moms.

>>16472513
wanna bet it was divorced wives who got their "fair share" in shit they didn't actually want or care about?

>>16472670
You can find 5 year old econoboxes for $3k where I am. Granted you're looking at really shitty stuff, usually unreliable things with rebuild/salvage titles.

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>>16472523
>those poor vehicrosses

fuck you obama you cunt.

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>>16472523
>(60) AMC Eagle

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FUCK OBONGO

8 MORE DAYS UNTIL WE FINALLY GET SOMEONE WITH BRAINS AND BALLS.

should have made it that you get a rebate on nissan leaf or chubby bolt if you trade in.
missed oppurtunity.

>>16469406
In my dad's junkyard, the engine and transmission are the only thing that really matter. The rest of the vehicle either sits for a while or we scrap it almost immediately after removing the engine and transmission.

>>16472523
>(1,935) Oldsmobile Aurora
somehow this hurts me more than it should.

>>16472096
>oh noes some shitboxes got crushed!!!1!11!1 my dream of owning a 89 Ford Explorer is ruined

Millions of shitboxes were destroyed, little of value was lost. For every GN crushed a thousand Cavaliers were destroyed.

>>16472130
Texas anon?

>>16474502
I'd say. Why give a fuck about that shitbox?

>>16472523
>(3,500+) BMWs including an M3, M5, Z3, 850i and (3) 740il Protection
>M5

Maybe they wouldn't be fucking 15~20k on average were it not for this.

Thanks 'Bammy.

>can still find the 13mpg 400hp things around sometimes though

lel

>>16474528
i like auroras, despite the northstar under the hood

sue me

>>16474514
>For every GN crushed a thousand Cavaliers were destroyed.
And out of those thousand Cavaliers, how many hundreds of them could have been bought by people without much money who need a car? College students, part-timers, the unemployed, etc?

Not everyone gets everything on a silver platter.

>>16472513
>>16472523
Please, PLEASE tell me where you got these lists. I wanna go look at the data and sob.

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>>16472523
>(3,500+) BMWs including an M3, M5, Z3, 850i and (3) 740il Protection
>(107) Ford Taurus SHO (don't tell Neff)
>(373) Mazda RX-7
>(855) Ford Crown Victoria CNG
>(917) Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
>(1,935) Oldsmobile Aurora
>(327) Toyota Supra, including (4) final generation
>(2) 1984 Nissan 200SX, (2) 1994 240SX and (381) 300ZX

HANG THIS MONKEY NOW REEEEEEE

>>16474813
94 240sx is shit anyways

>>16474641
if anyone went with it 8 years ago,
his new shitbox will be values at 3G.
it's the circle of life, hanukah matoto.

>>16472598
It didn't MAKE people do anything, and the classics that got axed were all fucked anyways.

Of course it was a bad policy, and a fantastic example of big business and the gov't double-niggering people, but all those dipshits trading in cars for leaser were strivers who would've fucked themselves in some way anyways.

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We had a similar thing in the UK called the scrappage scheme, just as retarded. There's a massive car graveyard at RAF thurleigh full of classic and rare cars that are registered as scrap and can't ever be on the road legally again. It makes me unreasonably angry.

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>>16476606

>All those MGBs
And nothing of valve was ever lost...

On the down side, is that a Volkswagen Corrado that is just left to rot? What animals.

>>16469251
It was a holocaust for OBD1/OBD2 cars and other cars without front and rear cameras, electronic steering, brakes and acceleration and GPS.

awww are you guys mad that now you fucking poorfags arnt able to easily get cars any more?????


no one forces anyone to give up their car


it was all retards
anyone that doesnt think this is GOING to happen again is SERIOUSLY DELUDED

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>>16476641
MGBs are awesome, have some more scrappage scheme corrados

>Your car has to be heavy to be safe
>Your car has to be light to get good mileage

Fuck the government.

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>>16476709
It's like another shoah :((((((

>>16470437
>nothing of value was lost

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>>16476779
>31 mk4 supras taken off the road by the scrappage scheme

>>16473995
theres a vehicross guy in baltimore https://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/5919871631.html

>>16473850
Sorry you're a pussy, faggot

>>16474514
Cavaliers were ineligible for Cash For Clunkers

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>>16472513
>1997 Aston Martin DB7 Volante
>1992 BMW 850i
>1985 TVR 280i convertible

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>the quintessential 80s shitbox was the Yugo
>around 125K were sold in its 6 or so years on the market
>most of them were recalled due to emissions
>only a few hundred remained
>C4C may have killed off the rest
>literally none left in the USA

Not many people seem to have noticed or cared about it, but it sure feels weird to witness an extinction event for a car.

>>16472598
Fucking C4C. Even in 2012-2013 when I was in the market for a used car I ended up paying close to $9k for a six year old Subaru with six-digit mileage. Of course I live in the rust belt so 80% of used cars are rusted to hell leaving the other 20% with inflated prices.

>>16477761
There are still around 400 registered Yugos left in the US.

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ausfag here just how many nice cars and classics got crushed?

Is your used car market absolutely fucked?

Obongo was the dumbest PM ever

>>16473255
Because autism.

>>16477635

And dealers would fudge things to sell cars.

>>16476606
awww my mom used to drive an MGB. They're cute.

>>16477675
I know that feel bro.

>>16479235
Anything over 25 yrs old was not valid for the program so far as I kno.

>>16472513
>>16472523
The owners would probably know what they had, these cars were probably shit with ugly ass interiors and no maintenance records. I see nothing wrong with this list

>>16477761
>>16479221
Yes, this is false, a guy up the road from me has a Yugo GVX among a treasure trove of other neat interesting cars, most never offered in the US.

Story on the GVX is he heard a junkyard got one in and he needed a trans for one of his others. When he got there the GVX was super clean so he managed to get the whole car for less than the cost of the trans alone.

>>16469251
eh...don't really care. I didn't have a shitty car then and I wasn't on the market on buying a brand new vehicle.

Supposedly some rare cars got destroyed, but people fail to understand that they were all on their last legs and not worth the $5000 credit.

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> back in 1998 my cousins friend had two rx7 fd's
>he used one as a parts car and fixed up the other one
>two years later he's driving a Ford Mustang V6
>his main reason of getting rid of it was "it wasted too much gas" and "it needed two much attention "
>2006 comes up and my cousin ends up telling me he died in a car accident "street racing "
>Mfw fd's are slowly going up in value

>>16472523
Who would scrap an AMC Eagle those are cool

Its one of the few things Obama implemented that I was totally against...

Pros: It wiped a ton of inefficient shitboxes off the road.

Cons: It wiped a ton of inefficient shitboxes THAT I LIKED off the road....

For example, my first vehicle-love, the Ford Probe GT, the Mazda MX6, etc... They used to be plentiful and parts were common. Now I'm lucky if I find a handful for sale each year, and parts are damn near non-existent.

>>16472513
>1987 Buick ASC GNX
>1992 GMC Typhoon (no!)
All of my why?

>hey guys the auto industry is suffering what do we do to give them more money?
what if we just straight up give them money from the taxpayer
>no that's stupid the taxpayer won't agree to that
what if we just give them money in exchange for people turning in their shitty cars that way the used car market shrinks and has benefits for the industry years later
>brilliant! there is nothing wrong with this plan

and a decade later they'll do it again
and again
thanks obama fuck capitalism

>>16469251
my thoughts are "nice try liberal nigger faggots, but I'm still driving my v8"

>wiped out the user car market
>average cost of a used car went up a shit ton
>new cars cost a shit load more due to new regs and the tech needed to comply to them
>TFW you have to buy a car cuz public transport in burgerland is shit but u have college debt and make 20% less then boomers boomers
TTT-Thanks Obama

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>>16482964
>my cousin ends up telling me he died in a car accident
i took me three tries to realize your cousin is alive

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>>16469251
>Be millenial
>Every fucking car you see that is trouble free and in good condition is $4999

Yeah I'm still pissed, and my generation adores Obama for some fucked up reason.

>>16484776
>new cars cost a shit load more due to new regs and the tech needed to comply to them
but they don't? Versas, Fits, Cruzes, Elantras, etc are still super cheap. New or used. And no one buys super basic manual everything models anymore anyways.

>>16485810
>be idiot
>cant dig into Craigslist
>doesnt check auctions
>oh god oh god im fucking retarded hurf hurr durrf

>>16485842
Yes Anon, I know I can buy a beat up thing for $1200, but i'm talking about the perfectly working and often pretty high end cars that were destroyed in 2009 that I would've paid the 4000 for, but you see clean working Honda accords that aren't even super nice selling for a shit ton when it's like fifteen years old.

>>16476709
Thurleigh isn't too far from me. Might pay a visit and see if I can scavenge some parts for my modest Corrado fleet.

>>16472523
>>16472513
How much money did you Yanks get for turning your car in? In my country's program it was ether €1500 or €2500 if you got a really horrid Ecobox, so basically nothing that was still worth over 2500 was scrapped.

>>16472383
>1980 was 8 years ago
really makes u think....

>>16469251

Shit program, but at least the used market will have fully recovered from the impact in another year or two

>>16485098
Sorry I was high when I typed that

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>>16472523
> (18) Audi S4 and S6
> (16) Eagle Talon
> (24) Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
> (373) Mazda RX-7 !what!the!actual!shit!senpai!
> (3) Mitsubishi Eclipse and (4) Starion
> (26) Merkur Scorpio and (21) XR4Ti
> (6) Porsche 928 including (2) S4
> (123) SVX

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>>16486048
I got $4500 for pic related. It had almost 300k miles it and was worth about $500 at the time.

>>16472523
muh UrS4/ s6's... they only imported like 2.5k to the states...

>>16469416
>and to prevent scrappers from just reselling the cars.

Which they, self included, would have done.

>>16474519
Nope. SC.

Can they expand it to people too?

>>16477842
>Of course I live in the rust belt

Drive south next time. It's worth a couple of days to score delicious rust-free sheet metal. I'm surprised more people don't do it. Used car dealers move inventory all over the country but private buyers typically won't travel for a deal.

>>16479318
>awww my mom used to drive an MGB. They're cute.

And horribly unreliable by US standards of the time, like everything else British. I grew up working on MGs which is why I don't own one.

>>16476606
At least the government didn't fucking destroy them.

>>16476606
Can you at least get parts off them? I tried at a local dealer that had a G92 third gen Camaro z28 and they wouldn't let me.

>>16489819
There's literally nothing wrong with the b series.

>>16469251
scrap yards are full of 2010+ normie mobiles now that i'm too dumb to be interested in.
fucking hurts having a part of my life taken away
>yes i am this sad

>>16469274
>hurr durr I'm a comedian and/or celebrity and that somehow makes my political opinions meaningful

and now you're dead you dumb faggot

>>16469251
Got rid of a lot of shit boxes cluttering up the road when the inevitably broke down.

okay for the middle class, pretty shitty for poor people

>>16479221
>around 400

Jesus Christ. That's not really helping your point.

t. Someone who really wants a Yugo.

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>>16474666
>full list

https://web.archive.org/web/20160819214945/http://www.nhtsa.gov/CARS-archive/reports/trade-in-vehicles.xls.zip

Took a while to find the data, the NHTSA closed off that part of their website, so archive.org saves the day.

>only 75 Broncos killed
Could be worse.

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>>16491204
you forgot category 1

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>>16472654

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>>16472654
2/3

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>>16472654
3/3

>>16491345
4/3
some dumbasses listed them as cars

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4chan really needs to fix the abort button

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last and the least

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>>16491328
and category 3

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>>16491328
and passenger cars

>>16469251

It decimated the used car market and is the reason why used cars are so fucked in terms of prices these days.

Like that 5 year old car with 150K miles on it that would have been 1,200 bucks a decade ago? That will be $8,000 now.

>>16472474

>Japanese cars

Amazingly enough, they are the most American cars and have been so for a while.

They have the highest percentage of American parts and a lot are made in the USA compared to US auto brands, which is kind of fucked.

It's like the USA has become Japan's Mexico for car manufacturing.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbgdwDDR_XE

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>>16472523
>(17) Chrysler Conquest
>(187) Mitsubishi 3000GT
>(3) Mitsubishi Eclipse and (4) Starion
>(2) 1984 Nissan 200SX, (2) 1994 240SX and (381) 300ZX
>(327) Toyota Supra, including (4) final generation

>>16476665
>leased automatic FRS

>using MY tax money to pay for other people who don't want their car
>does jack shit to save fuel while there are still boats that burn a gallon of fuel every ten feet

when obama dies i will have a barbecue so fucking big that you will be able to see it from the fucking ISS

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8znvz97FfbY

>it got rid of gas guzzling shitboxes

>cars made now made almost the same mpg as comparable cars 10-20 years ago thanks to how heavy the average car is now


Fuck off with this nonargument.

>>16491489
why wait till he dies when hes in a panic over his legacy and will be crying as trump pisses on his bed come inauguration day

>>16491503

It's a real argument though, because:
>it got rid of gas guzzling shitboxes
Was largely used as the justification for the program.

>>16491628

The problem is that it didn't get rid of gas guzzling shitboxes at all because the typical MPG for cars is the same now as it was back then.

So the argument is a non-argument.

>>16491628

See this horribly sized chart?

MPG on average has barely moved since the god damned 80's with the industry bragging about a 1.5 mpg average increase over a 5 year period from 2011 to 2015 which means fuck all. Hell, CO2 emissions have barely changed since the 80's as well in the grand scheme despite a shit load of government regulations and what not as well.

Cars aren't really any more effecient on a practical level. I have a Lincoln Town Car from 2003 that is getting better than the industry average in terms of mpg use and that is a heavy boat of a fucking car.

Cars are smaller, more expensive, and built pretty shitty on the whole and more costly to repair, the used car market took a nuke to the face with the C4C program, and there is no real gain anywhere to be had in terms of what it set out to accomplish.

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>>16491665

forgot my super shitty chart.

>>16486067
37 years

>>16491671
Interesting. Because the age cut-off was 25 years (nothing older qualified). Which put the cut-off date at around 1984 models. Which disqualified all the older, even less efficient stink bombs. So those that still run are on the road today. I know. I drive a couple of them.

That cut-off date did save a lot of the big American muscle cars from the scrap heap. Prime material for restoration.

>>16497029

RIP cherokees ;-;7

>>16469381
I see nothing wrong with this if its purely a voluntary decision to sell by the owner.

>>16469381
This hurts me inside, in the way that stories of human/animal torture do. Literally the holocaust of shitboxes.

>>16497144
>using our tax money to pay for their decision

>>16497029
whats the car in-between the blue minivan and the durango?

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>>16469251

The program is called AirCheck Texas here. I applied about 5-7 years ago and they accepted my application. They sent me a voucher for something like $4000 to trade in my old Saturn. The car wasn't worth but maybe $1k so I had a hell of a deal. I fucked around and couldn't make my mind up and the voucher expired.

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>>16497226
I believe it's a Mitsu Pajero

>>16497226
first generation Mitsubishi Pajero

>>16497308
fucking sick. call it a P-wagon

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I forgot why I hated Obama so much until this thread. Fuck that stupid white bitch fucking Kenyan nigger. I hope his ape of a fucking wife gets cancer and while he's doing a cash 4 clunkers on her cancer cells he contracts AIDS from the 3 monkeys he fucks to satiate his erection while Michelle's cock grows engorged from cock cancer. I hope his daughters turn out to be sterile so no only he loses his legacy in the government but he loses his bloodline as well. I hope he has to bury his children. I hope he dies a long painful death after everyone he loves is dead.

>>16497340
It's an ISIS favorite.

>>16472513
>2005 Mazda RX-8
I'm probably one of the biggest rotorheads on this board, and even I'm pleased by this.

Wish more had been gassed.

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>>16497361
oh god, nevermind, they killed FCs.

THAT NIGGER TYRANT OBAMA IS NOT MY PRESIDENT! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

>>16497369

>>16491415

>>16469251
Obama is a piece of shit.

>>16497234
>suburban
>mustang
>landcruiser
j u s t

>>16469251

It was and always will be shit.

>>16497656
That's not a Mustang, it's the even rarer Mercury Capri.

>>16497369
And nothing of value was lost.

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Ohh, so that's why prices seem so fucking ridiculous! Just bought my first car, I needed a DD, and I was wondering why everything was so god damn expensive even if it was a piece of shit. Surprise surprise, it's just me getting fucked by the government again.

Love being in this sweet spot where I was too young to take advantage of all the good prices on things but old enough to realize what I'm missing now. It's similar to how the prices for SKSs and Mosins have fucking skyrocketed, while not too long ago you could buy crates of them for like a couple hundred bucks.

Fuck you Obama.

>>16472523
>all them opportunities for ev conversion lost

>>16469251

It triggers conservatives pretty hard.

Kek.

helped save an economy on the brink of destruction.

>>16497029
them "clunkers" look in good nick

>>16489814
Yeah and you can arrange transport pretty easily. Oregon also has a lot of good stuff sitting in people's garages, but because of whiny Californian migrants the idiot state is starting to use rock salt, so it'll be the same as the rust belt soon.

>>16500378
it triggers anyone with a fucking brain, yes

it was a good idea and helped people out

>>16500607

Best post.

>>16469251
It was a plot by NWO to rid the US of used vehicles as a method to enslave younger generations with mountains of debt because they would have to finance new cars every few years.

>>16500607
>helped people out
Japanese people. Korean people.

>>16497355
how

>>16502575
it made under 18mpg and someone probably didn't know what they owned