I hope no one in here owns a Toyota

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Oh shit should I sell mine

>>16434895
doesn't toyota already produce cars in the US ?
doesn't gm and ford building in mexico ?

the corolla is the best selling car in human history they DO NOT care about our market

>>16434922
the us market is ridiculously big tough you guys buy cars you can't even afford
china /india are going to be the ones that really count tough

This country is fucked

>>16434895
Why does his tweet read like an old Chinese man yelling?

>>16434935
You mean this country will be great again.

>>16434943
perhaps he has spent time conversing with them

>>16434943
Kek

>>16434935
>implying this is bad
that's exactly how politics work, see japanese car manufacturers in GB for example. go back to tumblr.

Why not , us Toyota plant .
We need him to tweet that he wants a new gen Supra and we'll be set.

>>16434943
>implying we didn't in fact elect Grandpa Simpson

I'm more upset that our president elect has to put "real" in his twitter name.

>>16435010
He's just keeping it real.

FUCK!!!!! I need to keep my Corolla GT-S Levin.

>>16435010
He's had that handle since 2011.

Toyota already has a plant in Mexico building Tacomas.

>>16434895
I hope this big boarder tax only applies to manufacturers. muh JDM GTR YO

>>16434970
>see japanese car manufacturers in GB for example

What's GB? what happened? elaborate for a slower lad?

>>16435022
>>16434910
Why do you "need" to sell your cars?

>>16434946
so what time will you set your time machine to to take us back to?

>>16435065

because they are made by a company that sabotages the american factory worker just to save a few bucks by paying people in mexico slave wages

>>16435078
Would it change anything to sell them?

>>16434895
Pls no bully corolla

Producing cars in america is a bad idea

>>16435078
So you don't own a single product that's been produced in Mexico or China?

>>16435103

>t. Roberto Gonzalez

>>16435127
Build a plant in the U Ess amigo

>>16435127
Ever wondered why companies produce in canada instead of the US? America offers nothing

>>16435149
And Canada has even higher taxes and labor costs

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>>16435105

That isn't the point, tacoboy. We shouldn't let these multinationals get away with jewing the American worker AND the American consumer.

RAISE THE TARIFFS

TRADE WAR NOW

>>16435078
The real issue is environmental and safety regulations regarding the actual manufacturing of the car . American regulations are much stricter than Mexican. If a company wants to build a car in the the United States it has to abide by these regulations no matter where they sell them. A company can skirt these regulations by building plants in Mexico. These regulations put US manufacturing at a disadvantage. The answer is not getting rid of these regulations but instead making sure imports are manufacture in plants that do meet standards and either not allowing imports that don't or just enacting tariffs that make US Manufacturing more competitive. It's not fair to American workers who lose their jobs because of regulations that were meant to protect them and it's not fair to Mexican or Chineses workers who are paid substandard wages and work in substandard factories just so a corporation can maximize their profits

>>16434895
What about Ford?

>>16434895
too late, mine was built in commiefornia

>>16434895
Jokes on you my Toyota was made 14 years ago

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>>16435149
Canadian here, that's bullshit

Nothing gets made here but maple syrup

>tfw my car was built in Michigan

feels good mang

>>16434910

What is that?

>>16435127
>t.Trevor Cuckingston the Third
Mexico is part of North America FYI

>>16435484
>not using central america

ew

>>16435048
You're a retard. If the manufacturer has to pay a tax, they'll just increase their prices to negate the extra money they spent on taxes.

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>Americans have to choose between their cars being built by Pedro Goucho or by LaTravius Dindu and Cletus "Bubba" Dangit III.

>>16435515
>bubba dangit

lost it

>>16434895
>worrying about a tiny tax increase on a potential new car purchase built in a factory that does not yet exist

You kids need lives.

>>16435149
Because we give them free land and free electricity

>>16434922
>they DO NOT care
It's true. Toyota truly doesn't give a fuck about anyone.

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>yfw in 5 years taxes are going to render all non-American cars too expensive leaving Americans choice of Ford "cuckoboost" and GM "eternal BTFO"

>>16434935
Thanks for Correcting the Record.

>>16435753
b-but muh jobs
muh economy

>>16435194
You're a fucking idiot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_Engine_Plant?wprov=sfla1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakville_Assembly?wprov=sfla1

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Manufactures build plants in Canada because the workers will let the suits fuck their wives in return for giving them a job.


t. Knower

>>16435515
You also neglect to mention organized labor. I'd rather have my car built by Pedro who'd lose his job if he fucks up than by someone who has to fuck up 10 times in a row before you can sue the union in order to fire him.

The tariff is a fine idea if Trump can pull it off, though.

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>>16435515
People don't really do much anymore on the assembly line except press buttons and maneuver things around. And drive the car out of the factory once it's complete.

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>>16435075

>1933

>>16435753
Not if they have plants here. Which they will do because the US is too large of a consumer to ignore.

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>>16435798
Nice photo of a Kia factory you've got there. Meanwhile at the Corvette factory. This is already the poster child of America, and still all you see are overweight middle aged men in t-shirts and jeans leisurely walking around in something that looks like a slightly better repair shop.

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>>16435811
lol

>>16435811
Whole GM is a fucking joke.

>>16435798
>he doesnt know

>>16435833
Nissan Scum detected

>>16435163
And higher quality of life

>>16435876

enjoy your invasion of muslim refugees, leaf?

>>16435909
t. Pablo

>>16435811
based ferd

>>16435811
even the shine on the cars looks cheap, like polished plastic

>Trump puts in tariff on foreign made vehicles
>companies stop bringing vehicles here due to the cost.
>GM and Ford have no competition like the prehonda Toyota days.
>Quality drops like a rock because american workers get paid trash wages after unions disbanded, and no competition to drive quality.

GG america

>>16436041
Just like in good old 1978.

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>>16434946
1987 baby

>>16435562

>10%
>tiny

Im sure thousands is nothing to you

A Japanese car company needs to build its cars in the USA?

Come on Don. You're miles better than Hillary, but surely you can't expect everything to be Made in USA

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>>16436064
Glad he's setting up a workforce that'll be cucked by robots in 10 years. Made in USA won't mean much when it's 100% automated.

>>16436057
I really miss the 80s

Back when things were simpler and I didn't have to worry about being alive

>>16436071
also group B and siqq pop up headlights

>>16436071
The 80s were pretty bad overall though. High crime, dirty as fuck, economy barely starting to turn around after Reagan.

>>16435515
No American worker is happy when asked to supervise of help with Mexican car factories.

American factory workers in Mexico temporarily staying there have complained about problems with Mexican drug cartels before.

You can't really trust Mexican police after all.

Not only that but a lot of cartel members are ex-Mexican military or ex-police.

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>>16436070
This

>>16436094
>paying for a degree in a career that can be automated

???

>>16436098
didn't you hear? all jobs are gonna be automated in 10 years!

automation is a fuckin' meme. anyone who actually works in the manufacturing industry knows exactly what a meme it is.

>>16436041
>car companies will just pull out of US market
Nice fantasy

People will still buy Toyota even with a price jump, good product sells

Why does it matter where a Japanese company wants to build anyways? America can't have all the jobs

>>16436208
Because America is Toyota's biggest market.

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>>16436208
>America can't have all the jobs

>>16434895
Corolla currently assembled in Cambridge, ON
By non mexican Canadians

>>16435786
Also
Oshawa - GM
St. Catharines - GM powertrain
Alliston - Honda (engine & vehicle)
CAMI Ingersoll - GM
Cambridge - Toyota
Woodstock - Toyota

>>16435798
You've never been to an Automotive Assembly I can see

>>16435507
>they'll just increase their prices to negate the extra money they spent on taxes.
Car A and Car B are similar and share a target audience, both are priced at $30k.

Car A's production is outsourced to Mexico to increase profits, price stays the same.

Gov. begins charging large border tax to import Car A, manufacturer raises cost to $40k to cover the cost of the tax.

All of Car A's customers start buying car B instead.

The tax takes away incentive to manufacture cars overseas, which increases corporate profit but siphons money out of the US economy.

>>16436453
So in the end instead of both being priced at 30k, one will cost 40k because of import taxes and the other will cost 38k because of fat redneck union salaries.

>>16435798
fucking retard

So buying a car in america is going to become more expensive thanks to trump, hehe

>>16435476
dodge stratus

>>16436083
>>16436083
but...reagan was president from 1981-1989

>>16436041
>companies stop bringing vehicles here due to the cost.
except most of them already have fucking factories here you retard

>>16436474
Remember that the Japanese government is heavily intertwined with their companies which is why Japanese debt is mainly internal not external.

Trump doesn't really need to talk with Toyota's CEO, he just needs to discuss with Prime Minister Abe, the person who actually holds the power in Japan.

Trump can make a deal with Abe. Abe pressures Toyota back home in Japan.

Everybody wins in the end.

And you know how Trump will do this?

By fulfilling Abe's dream which is Japanese bullet trains being exported to America.

You know that for 8 years straight, Abe failed to convince Obama to buy Japanese bullet trains despite Abe even offering to fund half the cost of making Japanese bullet trains operational in America?

And Japanese Bullet Trains are one of the key highlights of the 2020 Japanese Olympics.

If Trump says he will help Abe with exporting Japanese bullet trains to America, Abe will help Trump deal with Toyota.

You need to understand how Japanese society works.

It is very hierarchical. Prime Minister of Japan > Toyota CEO

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>>16436583
>>16436583

What your saying sounds plausible but i feel like it won't quite work that way.

>Abe's dream which is Japanese bullet trains being exported to America.
>You know that for 8 years straight, Abe failed to convince Obama to buy Japanese bullet trains despite Abe even offering to fund half the cost of making Japanese bullet trains operational in America?

Holy shit! i had no idea. does he/his country stand to gain that much money if they were to sell their trains here? i don't see any other reason he (a leader of a country) would be so fixated and go that far out on trying to get a product here.

I know Hollywood has recently been pandering to the Chinese film market to let them sell more movies in China when its usually capped at 31 or something foreign films a year but that's usually CEOs and Producers doing that. They would slide in random Chinese product placement (basically in movie advertisement), actors and even famous chinese sports stars (in the latest transformer's movie) that would seem almost nonsensical to non-chinese viewers. It would be highly bizarre if Obama or any US President just stepped up and went out of their way to try convincing the Chinese to let them get in more american films.

>>16436732
Yes, Japan is really hardcore about their trains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_High_Speed_Rail#History

The government of Japan stepped in when they saw a chance to be Taiwan's first Japanese bullet train export when it was suppose to be France that would benefit since France originally won the bid.

It is essential that Japan markets their bullet trains to America because France already has home plate advantage in Europe.

You see Japan invests a lot in train technology but it would be worthless if that train technology never steps foot outside of Japan.

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>I hope no one in here owns a Toyota

It's 30 years old fuk off.
I'm glad they stopped the mexican toyotas from being made, the new ones are already bad enough.

>>16436732
Yeah, Abe pitches his Japanese bullet trains any chance he gets.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/japanese-leader-abe-rails-for-high-speed-trains-in-u-s-1430081956

Also, remember that Abe was the first foreign head of state to visit Trump Tower.

luckily I dont have a toyota, I have a toyobaru

>>16434895
s...supra owner reporting in

is trump going to come to my country and shoot me?

>>16435798
This is only true for shitboxes.

Go watch some videos of mclarens being made, they're superb combinations of man and machine.

>>16434943
180 characters.

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AMERICA

>>16436971

Is he an actual human bean or photoshop>?

>>16435476
2nd generation Toyota Avalon (2000-2004)

>>16436070
I can't wait. When no one is employed and no on can afford all the cheap robot made goods the world will either colapse or the US wakes up and realizes a basic income or abolition of currency is the only way forward.

I'm truly excited for either.

>>16436112
The fact that you think this is all a joke tells me you don't know anything about machine learning and neural networks.

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>>16434895
>Told my coworker my car was getting warrenty work done on my gti
>she says Vws are crappy
>"Atleast it's not a gutless pussy corolla"
>she walks away
>post shift; I see her bf pick her up in a corrolla s
>mfw 130hp

>>16437120
>VW
>made in brazil
pay tariffs

>>16435164
why is this all of a sudden important? it's going on for a while and no one cared in the slightest

>>16437129
Hecho en Mexico pindejo.
I won't pay shit unless it goes towards building a wall.

Technology is the way of the future. It will be great when machines do everything and the only jobs people have by necessity are design or maintenence. Then you can just do whatever you want because everyone will have lives of leisure or contemplation. We will all be Buddhas.

>>16436453
It only makes corporate profit if the domestic country is too expensive to manufacture in. Regulations raise costs enourmously, you know.

>>16435164
>RAISE THE TARIFFS
>TRADE WAR NOW

Sorry, President Clinton supported and signed NAFTA Treaty to promote the north american free trade zone for Canada, USA, and Mexico. Trump can talk all he wants, but the treaty would have to be repealed and that looks bad for a country's honor level if it signs treaties and then drops them. Tariffs are also against free trade and capitalism.

If Americans cannot compete after all their chest thumping, then they were just fakers to begin with. Go back to your Detroit auto factory.

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YEAH TARIFF WAR TIME NOT LIKE THAT WAS TRIED BEFORE AND FAILED MISERABLY WHOOO I'LL NEGOTIATE THE BEST DEALS THEY'LL BE TREMENDOUS BELIEVE ME MAGA

Funny thing is toyota produces most of their cars for the US market (and some even exported to foreign markets) in the US, unlike the "american" manufacturers that outsource everything. They're even making Lexus models here now rather than importing them.

>>16434895
>mfw he keeps bluffing about the import tax and gets away with it for 8 years

>>16437305
Did it work? Anyone? Anyone?

>>16435010
pretty soon it'll be @potus
stay mad

>>16435149
>making things up
>is a massive faggot
Leaf detected

>>16436474
No, both were at $30k to start with taking existing unions into account.

>>16437275
Country 2 being cheaper than country 1 does not mean country 1 is too expensive.

>>16436583
why don't we just buy the bullet trains from the Chinese who stole the designs from the Japanese companies?

>>16434895
There's already a Toyota plant in Baja building the Tacoma. The new factory is going to be in Guanajuato. The fucking president getting details like this wrong triggers my autism.

>>16437007
Watch 8 mile you dingus

>>16434895
>tfw no Chevrolets in Tokyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owg174Dfs_E

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>>16434935
>America sells out for decades, gives away all of its wealth and jobs
>One day Trump comes in and says "you know what, fuck this, america first"
>Parasite nations like Mexico literally begin to crumble before he's even inaugurated

We're gonna drag you kicking and screaming into greatness, commie fag.

>>16435507
What I think he was trying to ask was whether or not that border tax would apply to personally imported cars like an R32 GTR

>>16437199
>It will be great when machines do everything
Machine employees fit the loophole and do not pay income taxes to fund things and support public infrastructure. They don't pay into the unemployment system to provide unemployment insurance to support the employment system infrastructure. They are the mindless employee that cannot strike, protest, file lawsuits, or sabotage a business when unhappy nor do they add value to the local community.

>>16437750

you don't really understand this whole thing, do you? it's not the commies that he's fucking over, it's those capitalist pigs that evade taxes by sending production overseas.

he's kicking them right in the dick by threatening to impose more tariffs/taxes on commerce over the border. so they can't just send labor over to mexico so juan and crew can build corolla's for $2.50 an hour. now it makes more sense financially to send production up to detroit so that rob and janet can produce cars for $7.35/hour. whether this is a good or bad thing is yet to be seen. but it's more production in America for sure.

now for Mexcio? hopefully they further their industries and create more prosperous children.

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>>16437841
>it's not the commies that he's fucking over, it's those capitalist pigs that evade taxes by sending production overseas.

I meant it in the sense that commies get mad at anything Trump does. Trump succeeding is the worst possible nightmare scenario for these bitter people.

Plus Mexico needs to fix its cartel problem first before it wants businesses to come there.

>>16437841
>now for Mexcio? hopefully they further their industries and create more prosperous children.
If they aren't rich so they can retire in Mexico, they illegally immigrate to retire in the USA due to its social welfare system for old people. It creates a burden on the taxpayers here of course. But as long as democrats keep pushing through more amnesty programs each time they become president, the illegals will keep coming across the border, live with their legalized relatives, and wait for the next amnesty. Then they will apply for all the social welfare, free housing, and subsidized everything else while still having their relatives as a safety net.

The danger of amnesty programs is that the illegals have come to depend (self entitlement) on them occurring with each democrat president. So they keep flopping across the border and then play the waiting game.

>>16435811

I always thought as a sperglord teenager "hurr durr, why buy "x" car when corvette is just as gud"

But then you see this line of regurgitated mid-life crisis tier BS, and then yeah. Paying top dollar for a Regera or Lambo or Porsche starts making sense.

There's no sense of uniqueness, it's depressing.

>>16437868
It's GRRRrreat that Mexico has managed to turn the USA into its retirement outlet. Saves money for their highly corrupt government.

>>16434922
>the corolla is the best selling car in human history
Better than the Model T?

>>16436268
>My Geo was made in Canada
Feels skookum, eh?

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>>16437810
I can't wait for the future.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Er3vu2IVLjc

>>16435849
Assmad GM Fangirl detected

>>16437750
>Defends protectionist policies againts the "free" market
>Uses commie as an insult

Is american education really this bad?

>>16438391
Considering how many of Trump's detractors worshiped Bernie Sanders, commie isn't that wild of an accusation.

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>>16434916
Toyota produces the most US sold cars that are also manufactured in the US

>>16438391
Protectionism has literally nothing to do with communism

>>16437810
Wait are you tellin me that the robots arent going to pay for my art? Wtf

>>16438405
Maybe if you are talking about left-communism, but labour unions have consistently fought to give workers control over the industry

>>16435753
>Japanese manufacturers open plants in the US like crazy because they have massive cash reserved from high-profit sales of shitbikes, shitboxes, and lawn equipment, esepcially due to the "developing" markets
>fucking suzuki consistently participates in a multibillion dollar race they consistently lose. they have that much to spend.
>japcrap outpriced and outperforms ameriturds yet again
>trump BTFO
>starts taxing based on point of ownership instead of point of origin
>immediately and violently impeached by the honda-owning public

>Implying I need anything else but a Tesla

>>16437380

It did not work and the United States sunk deeper into the Great Depression

>>16438502
In a radically different economy

Things change. Saying this will fail because that did is like saying fag/tranny acceptance will fail because we used to throw them into the rhine for being useless as men and useless as women.

>>16438511
Yes, one where international trade is at a substantially higher level than it was in the 1930s.

>>16438404
kek
they should advertise as the most american brand

>>16436732
I could see bullet trains working in new england but not really anywhere else where everyone has a car.
>japoreans dont understand you could walk for hours and still not get to your destination before dying of exposure in many rural areas of the usa

>>16438404
Did you get this from 2ch?

>>16438404

Yup. My Avalon is assembled in America and like 75% of the parts or something are made in the US. Rest is Japan.

Feels good. Feels good too that my Silverado was assembled in Detroit and made with mostly US parts too because I bet that isn't the case anymore.

>force OEMs to produce cheaper because they still need to price the cars competitively
>quality goes down drastically
>american cars become absolute garbage again like they were two decades ago
>"made in USA" becomes synonymous for "shit" again

Damn Mexicans!

Where is all this entitled attitude coming from? Nobody owes you a job and asking someone to give one to you because you can't compete in the free market makes you 3/5s step above a nigger.

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>>16437337 >>16438569
If the major expensive car parts are still from Japan, that sends the money back there. And it's easy to game the "made in usa" label.

Just create separate shell car parts and car service companies in the usa that buy the japanese parts. Then those usa companies put together the car parts collections (kits) as KITS assembled in usa by japanese expatriots undergoing training. Then those kits are sold to another shell company which assembles those subassemblies using japanese workers. Now it is made in usa subassembly.

That company now sells to Toyota factory proper.


>>16438215 >>16438391
>I can't wait for the future.
A world of 10% haves (wealthy, government employees, military/police, utility services) versus 90% (everyone else). And there will be walls inside america as well. To separate the oasis zones from the normal population since all is well. To stop the common poor population from voting, almost everything poor people might get in trouble for can be made into a felony. That makes sure most of them will get charged sooner or later. Since felons can't vote, the problem is solved because then only the wealthy and the military that preserves the status quo can vote. Repeated Tax Cuts for the rich means 95% of the taxes will be paid by everyone else.

Pictured is screencap of security fence around protected enclave of San Diego where politicians, privileged citizens, military, and business factories are located.

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>>16435198
I know that feel

>>16439059
b-but the billionaire narcissist told me he cares about me!

>>16434895
>hurrr we can tell Japan what to do with their cars


It'd be hilarious if Toyota said "hey trump, fuck you! We can just pull all production in the US (costing americans jobs). People will still buy our cars, because american cars are still shit"

He is literally retarded, and sounding more and more like a democrat.

>>16434895
>mfw I bought my ford mustang already and he clobbered them into submission :^)

>>16436231
Yup, and people will still buy them regardless of where they are manufactured.

Trump's idea will only further push automation because its cheaper. the only people getting jobs will be the bot engineers and repair guys, which will eliminate 99% of the car workforce currently working in the car manufacturing industry.

>>16438095
Yes because the model name is used since the '60s.
The VW beetle is actually the best ever selling model using the same design.

These are the same people that thought this moron would repeal the import laws.

God this is going to be an awful 4 years. At least the SJWs get btfo.

>>16434895
>just bought a scion
>it's being delivered tomorrow
Fug

>>16435945
I love vettes but that's exactly what it is, polished plastic.

>>16435753
Can't wait for the frog threads.

>>16435791
Made me kek, good one.

>>16435793
Man unions are such a good concept. It's such a shame greed and selfishness made them into the disasters they are.

>>16436208
"All the jobs" made me laugh for some reason. Sounds like a Trump line. "WE WILL HAVE ALL THE JOBS. ALL OF THEM. WE WILL HAVE SO MANY JOBS WELL HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WORK 3 JOBS JUST SO WE CAN JOB. MAGA"

>>16437859
Business is ALREADY there dumbass.

>>16437147
you shitting me? people cared, there just wasnt a whole lot anyone could do about it, other than spend an extra half hour looking for shoes made somewhere other than china or pakistan

people have been worrying about it since the mid 00's, it's just nobody really noticed until the economy crashed that there were no jobs to revive the economy outside of mcjobs.

thats the thing about free trade job exporting. in the short term, you get the benefit of cheaper goods. quality is irrelevant because its so cheap people can just replace it. So the economy booms because consumption goes into overdrive.

in the long term, however, they no longer have the money to replace it either, because you no longer have the kind of good paying jobs that could afford that high rate of consumption.

so most people only started noticing this over the past 8 years since the economy tanked, because what traditionally kept downturns going, labor, no longer exists. manual labor, like construction, is all mexicans and engineering degrees and "5 years experience", and heavy manufacturing is all in canada or mexico, with everything else in china and other third world shitholes. so suddenly you had not one but TWO presidential candidates, one on EITHER side of the aisle, talking about that as a key part of their platforms, and so it became a nationally recognized issue that before was only spoken about at the dinner table while talking about the latest "jobs report" or the latest headline about how "the economy's doing great, better than ever, thanks to our lord and master Obama!"

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>>16439469
Honestly bringing all of the jobs back to the US would probably just backfire, because I'm sure Mr Billionaire won't take kindly to unions. Most manufacturing jobs would probably turn out similar to the meatpacking industry, where skilled, high paying union jobs turned into something like $10-12/hr, zero benefits, and high injury rates.

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>>16435476
toyota avalon 2003

>>16439557

>automatic

>>16439386
no

>>16437750
WHEN IT COMES CRASHING DOWN AND IT HURTS INSIDE

>>16439549
Former union worker here.
Modern unions are shit and your dues are being sent to politicans who you probably don't want to support.

>>16436570

"Most" no they have a factory or two that builds maybe 2-3 cars out of a 12 car line up

>>16437199
I like chubby dudes.

>>16436583
wait really? honest Abe wanted US to buy shinkansens?

I'd be okay with that. trains and other large scale infrastructure is cool as fuck. and if we had more trains it would make libs happy as well since cucks don't need to drive anymore.

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>>16436787
>we form a pacific Empire with Japan

>>16437750
There's been millions of jobs made since the recession. Coal mining and assembly line workers aren't part of those.

>>16435075
the time there werent any commies or faggots in my country

>>16440227
B-but Trump said he was going to bring coal jobs back. Why would he lie about that?

>>16440562
he isn't even president yet hillshill

>>16439220
>b-but the billionaire narcissist told me he cares about me!
Trump actually sort of does even though it's clear he also wants to make money while in office. I think those examples were for the distant future if the constant trend of tax breaks for the rich, removal of independent ethics boards (republicans will do that when Trump is in office), and other law changes keep on increasing the chasm between the wealthy and everyone else. When the gap gets big enough and there is no one in the middle, then it will be time to fence off america internally.

>>16440562
The problem is will the rest of the republican party let Trump do what he wants to do? He still needs the Republican Congress to vote. He still needs the Republican Senate to vote. And as you saw during the election, most of those republicans dislike Trump a lot.

So what they might end up doing is implement that nasty Republican America that we didn't want AND get to blame it all on poor Trump in the process. Those republicans will have their cake and eat it too.

>>16440220
Oh fuck, I'd be up for that.

>>16439453
>Man unions are such a good concept. It's such a shame greed and selfishness made them into the disasters they are.

They still work. They keep those "letters of understanding" and other things active. And the existence of a union automatically gives employees additional protections they otherwise would not have.

Many other things we take for granted in today's workplace were the achievements of unions after years of negotiations or even lawsuits. Pensions, benefits, time off with pay, paid vacations, and parts of the 401K (nixon gets credit here) are due to unions. The ability to have "letters of understanding" which are sort of like amendments to the Constitution is also useful. It allows for contracts to be modded without going thru all that bullshit hardcore grim negotiations again.

>>16437120
She was right, anon.

>>16437549
Because Chinese are second rate.

They still can't make a better Go AI better than Google.

If you heard about the boardgame, Go, Google recently defeated like the Top 40 Go players in the world under an anonymous name called Master so AlphaGo may end up being BetaGo version now.

Also, Japan has been on a Nobel Prize winning streak compared to China.

>>16439386
Because it's been made for 50 something years you moron.

>>16439572
I dont think Avalons ever came with manuals, being that they're Toyota's best sedan. It's either luxury/quality vs manual

>>16439557
>>16434910
How are these comfort wise?

>>16435053
Look up on YouTube Jeremy clarkson how Japanese cars rule the world or something. It explains how once Japanese cars came in Great Britain, they were overall better for the cost and caused some MG factories to close.

>>16437872
>not liking mass production

>>16437841
>it's not the commies that he's fucking over, it's those capitalist pigs that evade taxes by sending production overseas.

Those companies will simply avoid the tax by declaring themselves no longer to be USA flagged ships, but flagged in Bahamas, Liberia, or someplace else and thus not subject to the "USA company running away offshore" tax.

Anyways, this tax needs to be calculated such that it is approx equal to the product Uplift. Uplift is the difference in labor costs (not util, local taxes, etc) equal to what that company would have charged had that product been made in the USA. It would be inappropriate and unfair to make OSHA and EPA costs part of Uplift.

The people who say it is unfair to the consumer to pay higher prices. Well, okay, let the USA vote to become a province of China. We will definitely have lower prices then if that is all those people care about. Of course, welfare would end since China may be communist, but they don't give commie benefits out. People who don't work don't eat in China.

>>16443569
Chinese cars will be next. They're improving a lot and have the competitive advantage of not paying a lot for R&D since they are willing to lag the USA, European, and Japanese cars by another year or two.

>>16434916
>doesn't toyota already produce cars in the US ?

Only when it has to.

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>>16447273
>Chinese cars will be next.

>>16449250
You can scoff, but the future is coming whether you have deliberate ignorance or not. Just don't go telling others to be deliberately ignorant so that you have some security blanket around you.


>>16449250
You didn't realize that some of the municipal buses are made by chinese owned companies. They already have a start and are building out distribution networks and physical locations. China has even copied the USA federal testing track and facilities for testing cars for the usa market. So they are starting to ramp up their knowledge. Sooner or later they will steal or copy enough to get them going.

After that, it's a matter of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps which you have already seen them do with many electronics companies. A lot of the stuff you buy in the usa from a "name brand" is actually now a chinese company. In some cases, they simply bought the name and threw everything else away.

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>>16437649

>>16449333
it might be "the future" of cheap cars, but china will still be a hellhole, and americans will become increasingly wary of buying from them, possibly to the point of so many tarrifs and bans that they won't.

>>16449333
Chink shit will never be safe, so it'll never be even allowed in the U.S. you fucking dumbass.

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>>16449380
They are learning how to build cars by first taking over all the parts and then subassembly construction. They're doing a good job at it.

"On Monroney stickers they give a complete breakdown of the parts content on each individual vehicle; see pic related, an example from an Accord.

"The ATS has been gradually becoming less and less American as the Michigan plant has slowed production due to decreasing demand. They just announced the ATS/CTS plant is actually being idled due to low demand, so we're likely going to see even less American parts content as the line and supply chain is shuttered. They've been importing a large number of parts from their Shanghai plant since it started building the ATS. GM has already stated they're going to begin importing CT6 units from China. I have no doubt they will soon import the ATS from Chinese factories as well.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/12/19/gm-idling-five-car-assembly-plants-up-three-weeks/95637726/

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/29/gm-import-cadillac-ct6-china/

"Mercedes meanwhile has been expanding their supplier chain in the US."

>>16435515
This tbqh

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Mexico and other Central and South American nations started turning towards China.

>>16449512
I can see this happening actually.

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>>16449490
A lot of USA parts sourced from Japan are actually made in China. Even the Japanese companies suffer from chinese-made parts.

PICTURE:
For example, at Discount Tire in the USA, this is a car part that is claimed to be made in Japan. However, if you look at the part that was sourced from Japan, it was made in china. So it went: china (made) --> japan (assembly) --> usa

So yes, it was made (assembled) in Japan from all chinese parts.


>>16449512
>I wouldn't be surprised if Mexico and other Central and South American nations started turning towards China.
They always have bought extensively from China. And china makes a lot of counterfeit products and dumps those in Mexico and SA and even Africa.

China got caught with a bunch of counterfeit toothpaste from various Proctor & Gamble brands. They got rejected at the USA port and should have been confiscated, but somehow the ship managed to sail off with the cargo. I say corruption at the port. It should have been confiscated. But some custom houses are owned by chinese that are citizens of the usa. So that makes it all right? I still say corruption. That counterfeit toothpaste eventually went and was offloaded at a central america port.

So Mexico and SA have been buying from China whether they knew it or not even if they are grumbling why they are buying P&G toothpaste from USA when they have their own toothpaste brands that taste better.

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>>16449560
http://archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/15508228#p15508228

What does /o/ think about chinese cars? That archived thread has insights and maybe some tears.

>>16449333
The Chinese model is to mass produce cheap shit and swallow the market. They will never produce quality goods. They simply do not understand the need for quality when you can get by selling garbage. There is no passion in anything they make. They are the Zerg.

>>16435820
>based 6 DOF welder
Humans are finished. How can they even compete?

>>16449490
Maybe if the ATS/CTS were built by Ford, people would actually trust the brand and drive it.

GM wants to assemble cars with Bondo instead of bolts and rivets nowadays.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a22310/gm-cars-glue/

Only cucks would still trust GM.

>>16449859
Outdated stereotypes. China is transitioning to exporting higher value products that require higher skills.

>>16438752
American cars are still shit today.

>>16449859
>They will never produce quality goods. They simply do not understand the need for quality when you can get by selling garbage. There is no passion in anything they make

You know they used to say exactly the same thing about the Japs during the 60's right?

>Tariff Wars
>Good

Buckle up, because this is going to get messy

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>>16449924
>GM wants to assemble cars with Bondo instead of bolts and rivets nowadays.
>http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a22310/gm-cars-glue/

Then you would not like any of the supercars like Koenigsegg and even the other regular german brands. A lot of unibody parts are held together with advanced adhesives. And no, these are not the cheap ones you buy at the Home Depot or Lowes.

I suggest you watch all those "How It's Made - Dream Cars" series of videos on a cable channel like Discovery Earth. You'll see lots of robots of course with humans doing mostly the inspections between each stage or a very very few welds in troublesome places.

Of course, with all the adhesives, you wonder how do body shops put these cars back together again after a crash? Obviously, they don't. They have to use welds and rivets and drill out places to add bolts. Some of those places may even be ill-advised to add bolts due to strain and longevity. Seeing how the cars are put together really does make me feel a car can't be the same after a body shop jams chassis parts back together.

Most annoying is seeing suspected worker nepotism or favoritism. You know, the children of certain people may get factory jobs because of their parentage.

>>16449859
>They simply do not understand the need for quality when you can get by selling garbage

also, you do know the garbage they make is garbage because they're making it up to the manufacturer's standard and specifications right? That's literally the entire point of doing it in China. They sell garbage because Walmart tells them to make their toasters this way.

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>>16451035
>>16449997
Chinese Car hits bicycle

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>>16449859 >>16449997
>The Chinese model is to mass produce
>China is transitioning to exporting higher value products that require higher skills

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>>16450919
>You know they used to say exactly the same thing about the Japs during the 60's right?

China will eventually eclipse Japan. China has a lot of oil and future oil since it has claimed almost the whole China Sea as its land. Even up to 10 miles off of the Phillipines. It's put military bases on multiple islands it has built up and missile launchers and AA at even more islands that it hasn't build full bases on.

Even a lot of oil leases in the Gulf of Mexico are owned by China. So if they pump those underground caverns dry first in a big race, they can also deny the oil to the USA and Mexico.

If Japan tries to take back its Senkaku Islands, then China can whup Japan's ass if the USA doesn't get involved. But if a usa carrier anonymously sinks from mystery terrorist action, the usa would probably back off.

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>>16438391
day of the rope soon.

>>16451174
That's a Chinese bike and an American car tho

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

DRUMPFTARDS BTFO

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>>16452356
No, Mexico will still pay for the wall. But waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall before building it will take too long. So it's better to start building the wall and send the bill to mexico later. This is the best way. It's important to get enough of the wall built so that any future democrat president cannot simply halt it. Once enough is built, then it might as well be finished.

So Trump has it right. This is the best way. As he said, send the bill to Mexico later for the problems that they caused to the USA.

PICTURE: Mexico charges tourist prices for those rich gringos. In Mexico City, want some pulled pork sandwich? Hey, just $95 for you rich gringo. And you might as well pay since your tourist bus from the cruise ship is here and this is your fixed lunch stop. If you don't buy, then you have no lunch!

Yes, as the screenshot shows, this was on the Travel Channel about various prices that Mexico charges tourists. $95 for sandwich. $120 for the sandwich plate. It's recommended to get the sandwich plate since that has two servings instead of one. What a bargain! The things you see about Mexico on the Travel Channel.....makes you want to have a bigger wall.

>>16451174
The car has CHEVROLET stamped hubcaps. The bicycle is GammaX brand which is made in Tianjin China. Both vehicles are chinese-made. So it is china vs china. No news here. Stamped hubcaps sure are cheap looking. The bare bones depths Chevy will go just to sell cars in China.


Since china legally requires chinese companies have majority ownership, it is a chinese car despite having the chevy logo. Chinese cars with american or german partners are typically made for the asian market. For example, BMW has a chinese car factory in order to sell BMW cars to chinese buyers. Otherwise, china charges a series of fees, a customs duty, and then adds on a 25% tariff for the category of foreign car imports. That puts a true import car out of reach of any normal affluent buyer.

>>16453235
China versus China in the picture

But it shows the difference when a Chevrolet is made in China versus a Chevrolet is made in the USA (much more sturdy).

>>16452328
Ive been there man

A Costco bike doesn't hold up well to a K5 Suburban

>>16452890
those are in pesos you shitbird.

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>>16434895
NBD, I already bought my Toyota. It'll last longer than Trump.

>>16455406
Next up will be the EPA, but I guess that won't affect whether or not Toyota builds in Baja. It's not like Mexico would enforce a Paris Accords (much less the Kyoto) carbon tax on Toyota's new plant. But if it did, then Trump could point to the USA not following global warming restrictions as cost savings for Toyota.

>>16452890
those are pesos you ignorant trumptard

>ignorant trumptard

redundant, I know

>As he said, send the bill to Mexico later for the problems that they caused to the USA.

yeah I'm sure he'll do that, and I'm sure the mexicans will pay for the wall, bigly

>>16450979
>Most annoying is seeing suspected worker nepotism or favoritism. You know, the children of certain people may get factory jobs because of their parentage.

>Implying this doesn't happen at the executive level in businesses too
But thats okay right? The wealthy are above silly things like rules and laws.

>>16452890
>being this retarded
Sad!

>>16456624
>But thats okay right? The wealthy are above silly things like rules and laws.

The real problem is the judges and police treat the wealthy differently when they are supposed to treat them the same as any other person. You can expect the rich to act in their own interest, but the judges and police aren't supposed to give preferential treatment.

>Implying this doesn't happen at the executive level in businesses too
If the business is a family or private business, that is fairly standard acceptable practice. But at public corporations, that is not acceptable practice. But it goes on in municipal jobs, transportation sector jobs, etc.

>>16436070

Everything should be automated anyway.

Everything.

100% unemployment is the IDEAL not the apocalypse.

>>16457318
Without employment then there would be no wages. You might say that doesn't matter, but then the heirarchy of everything that utilizes transaction cost will then fall down.

>>16452356
The car industry inside the USA would be more vigorous and vibrant if there was more industry and manufacturing of car parts within the borders. With more shops, the chance of getting mod parts from a local shop is vastly greater. But due to tax law benefits, usa car parts makers go overseas or even announce they are being bought up by a foreign company (fake buyout) just for the tax advantages.