$20k budget thread

Miata

s2000

>>16431738
do you care about reliability? You said DD...

a 135i or any porsche under 20k you can wave byebye to that...

>>16431738
If you're in the US, it's hard to go wrong with a c5 vette. Probably a nice z06 under your budget. Other than that, there is the Genesis coupe, frs/brz, last gen mustang, camaro, etc. There's a good choice.

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>>16431738

986 2.7 or first year of the s as they didn't have IMS issues. I would also consider a well maintained high mileage one. Porsches are generely very well built.

For under 20k your 135 choices are going to be rough.. do not want.

Neither the focus or Jetta appeal to me.

I'd look at c5 vettes or try to finder a Mazdaspeed mx-5

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step it up fags

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>>16431775
This

>>16431778
My wife works while i'm in med school. Next year our income will double and our cost of living will half so honestly paying for upkeep on a car won't be a problem at all so while reliability is nice its not a high priority.

>>16431764
I owned a 2012 Miata mx-5 and loved it, but I sold it when I moved to an urban area. I also had a Saab 9-2x Aero and I have to say it was more fun to drive than the Miata. I'm hoping to get something above the Miata only because I've had one already.

>>16431829
>>16431814
Are the C5s reliable? These are definitely within the price range.

>>16431836
>>16431775
How does it compare to the miata.

>>16431862
Faster and more torque

>>16431857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGWuucnV44A

>>16431862
Way faster, more potential, higher quality. It's gearing also makes the lack of torque much less noticable. AP2 is more expensive, but from what I've heard is more manageable at the limit.

>>16431857
Isn't the 9-2x aero basically a WRX? Why not get the Subaru?

>>16431918
Had saab stylings that I prefered. The inside was all subaru though. Even the parts inside had subaru logos everywhere. Was a 10/10 car for sure.

Dad bought it for me as first car and I miss it. Didn't realize how great it was til I got in my friends yaris shit box.

Normies truly don't know what a good drive is like.

>>16431931
How was the handling and power?

out of what you've looked at, the 135i blows everything else out of the water

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buy a Cummins and roll coal on all your faggot friends

>>16431953
Handling was superb compared to econoboxs. I remember driving that stupid yaris and you had to do a 3 point turn to do a u turn in 2 lanes.

Very tight responsive wheel. The power in the 9-2 was also noticeably better than the miata. And i'm not shitting on the miata I liked it but when the 9-2 hit the powerband it was great in comparison to the Miata.

>>16431987
I can get a 135 for 18-20 in my area but it will use all my savings.

I don't want to finance at all and my income will be high enough that I'll recover within a year so I'm trying to decide if i'd be just as happy with a cheaper option.

Right now i'm leaning towards the 135i which I can grab for about 18.5

>>16431862
S2000 is a lot more raw, and will punish you if you fuck up while trying to push it. Sometimes it'll even be a dick if the road is shitty in the right way.

>>16431895
AP2 isn't more manageable at the limit. The problem is that the stock suspension setup and electric steering rack make the steering rather numb, even though it's still incredibly responsive. So it's hard to tell when the rear is about to let go, something that it loves doing. It's why people spin them so much.

A couple of people have fixed that problem by replacing the steering rack with the power steering rack from the RX-7. A better fix is upgrading your abilities so that you can use other senses to tell when a car is about to let go.

What Porsche really gets right is steering feedback. Their manual shifters, not so much.

>>16431990
Look at me guys! I jammed my dick into the EGR until it doesn't work anymore! Then I went and screwed with the AFR's and now I have soot all in my engine oil.

>>16432031
I meant more manageable than the AP1 not the Miata. Probably should have stated that more clearly.

Whats the consensus on mustangs?

>>16432357
The V8 is good if you don't like turning

The 6 cylinder versions are emasculated shit

>>16431838
>double income
>at best an intern
Meaning your wife makes at most 50k before tax. You're a moron.

>>16431829
>buying a piece of plastic

>>16431838
Counting eggs, I see. Good luck with that.

>>16432829
55k. How does that make me a moron?

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FRS/Brz.

> Turns more heads than a Porsche.
> It's in Initial D
> Based Takumi
> Best handling under $60k. Tighter than your mom last night.
> Soubds sexy af.

Do it! Can get one used for $15k... Spend the other $5k on turbo and supporting mods.

>>16433207
good lord you are delusional

>>16431895
>>16431875
>>16432031
What about thr new mx5?

>>16433214
Easy to say from your Cavalier bud.

> but muh bros online say it sucks.
> muh gay light to light street races

Yeah lol ok. My buddy fucking rekt STIs and Porsches at track days this year.

>>16432153
Yeah, that's what I thought you meant. The original AP2 isn't really more manageable at the limit, it just has slightly different limits. It'll still be quick to fuck you up if you downshift into VTEC in the middle of a curve, you'll still get lift-off oversteer, and you'll still spin when you push it a bit too far. It's not very easy to recover when the rear starts going wide. A car that's more manageable at the limit is a Boxster/Cayman, or even a Toyobaru, as they all do a better job of telling the driver what's going on, making them more predictable when you push them and easier to recover when you screw up.

If you have a 2006+ AP2 with VSA, the VSA will keep you from approaching the limits, although in a way it creates different limits, as you can still be stupid and understeer into a wall. Some would argue that it's a necessary system, because of how the car can be a bit unpredictable on crappy roads. But when you turn it off for a track day or autocross, the car goes back to being the same ol' spin machine...if you suck. That's what I love about the car. It rewards upgrading driving skills more than any other car I've driven.

The CR may be a different story due to a new steering rack, but I've not had the opportunity to drive one. I wish I'd gotten one while the market was still a little bit soft. They're probably going to wind up appreciating like the damn NSX did.

>>16431738
dont know about a bmw with a n54 or n55 engine
but i have a bmw 328i and never had any issues with it
bought it at around 15k miles its currently at 78k miles
so far no repairs have been done
only time it was ever not in my possession was for maintence

>>16433238
>my buddy

file under things that never happened.

>>16431862
It's literally a Miata but faster, better around corners, and less gay

>>16432658
>>16432357
If you go v8 get mustang but used v6 Camaro is a good value for looks and performance.

>tfw I don't know if I want a sedan or a nice sportscar

>>16433517
This
It's a man's Miata.

>>16431862
You need to at least be a good driver because it's like a midget woman on pms. It will fuck you up if you don't know how and when to corner.

>>16431857
I have a 140k mile C5, it's definitely worse than like a Corolla but for a serious sport's car it's unbeatable.

A lot of it is just more maintenance...I have a GM truck with 170k on original shocks and tie rod ends, the Vette needed all 4 of those at like 115k. But it's all GM parts so they're pretty cheap.

>>16431738
Get a shit box as you clearly don't have enough for any of those.

Why not lease instead?

>>16431738
I was in the same situation and i let a salesman talk me into a Camaro

>>16436116
RIP

>>16433517
>>16436002
Couldn't have been said any better.

>>16436002
that would be a z3 3.0 or z3m. the s2000 is still a goodly bit femme.

I've heard that a Porsche engine is good to 300,000 miles. Thats why i own one.

Anyone know about the 986

370z?
I don't know how they are in terms of reliability but they look (ostensibly) practical as a DD.

>>16431738
Do you aim to go fast on the straightaway or having fun cornering?

Of your choices, I would only consider the Ford. And I wouldn't go fiesta ST, I would rather go Focus ST.

>>16431738
my 550whp evo x was under 20k all those cars you picked are just awful

be a man and pick somthing with more power

>>16436985
Not OP, but different people want different things. Maybe he would rather go fast within speed limit. chill out, bro

>>16437084
>go fast within speed limit
You fucking what now

>>16437111
Have fun within the speed limit I mean. fuck me.

>>16436985
Your 180hp automatic financed Lancer you mean?

>>16431738
>>16431838
Ayy I'm also a medfag with a 986 Boxster

Ignore the memsters on /o/, most people here don't actually own cars and have no idea what they're talking about

>>16437213
nice, how do you like it?

These guys think $110k a year isn't enough to maintain a car.

>>16437455
It's slow as shit but it's so God damn fun, practical too with 2 trunks and all
I do a lot of work on it as well in my free time, a huge chunk of maintaining costs is labour

Watch out for the air/oil separator failing, it can look like a blown head gasket. And I wouldn't even be concerned about the IMS in 2017

An lel yeah, doesn't matter how much money you make to them, you should get a $1000 Craigslist Corolla

>>16439289
is it really slow? Faster than a miata isn't it?

>>16431990
IM SO MANLY ROLLING COAL HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>16431738
2006 Cheby or GMC Silberado/Sierra SWB with the 4.8 for about 3-5k. 6k in turbo goodies 76mm turbo, fueling, maybe a cheap cam. Get a good tune and make anywhere from 500-700rwhp reliably on stock bottom. Roll on 5.0s, SSs, SRTs etc with a truck you can put shit in the back and with a motor that you can buy at a yard for about 100-150$. Pro's Good DD for single man, reliable, truck utility, power, extremely cheap parts and motor, LS tuners everywhere. Con's mileage when on boost, turbo lag for days, truck weight 4200lb, Autotragic, Mexican truck scene down south. Every mexican will ask you how much for it.

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>>16439719
What it could look like.

>>16436821
Ok, so here's the deal. Boxsters are a goddamn riot and are much more comfy than an S2k, but you do need to be careful about the IMS bearing issue. The Boxsters from about 99 to 06 are much more likely to have the bearing fail, but a fix is possible for about 500 bucks. The ones from 07 to 09 are much less likely to have the bearing fail, but there is no fix possible. After 09, the engine design changed and there is no nore IMS bearing to fail. Whichever Boxster you get, I promise you you will enjoy it.

>>16439664
They're faster than most Miatas, but not enormously.

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If you can find one of these, this is the biggest hidden gem of the modern era. For the price of an S2K, you can get a nicer car with 100 more horses. It's just an E46 M3, but with 100% less dudebro tax and 400lbs less weight.

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>>16431738
the 135i isnt as unreliable as the porch, and is alot more fun than the jetta or fiesta

>>16433517
>gay

>>16437158
Kek

>>16439664
Well I have a measly 2.5l, I'd imagine a 3.2l or a 3.4l would be significantly quicker

And yes they're faster than stock Miatas

>>16439895
I wouldn't worry OP about the IMS now days, it's practically a non issue unless he's buying a museum car

>>16431738
i would go with an s2000 OP, you can get a really nice one for around 15k and use the rest for upgrades and stuff. Also you get the Honda reliability for DD

>>16440284
The S2000 is a terrible daily driver

>>16440284
>falling for the Honda reliability meme
Honda's burn oil

>>16431838
You're not gonna like this answer anon, but it'll help you in the long run.

Get a econobox and relax. All that extra money you're gonna have next year? Save it. Let it accumulate interest. Put it into a market tracking fun, make some money.

Come up with a set percentage of your income (double digits) and put that into long term savings.

The sooner you start doing this, the more the money will grow. Then when you're a big boy, you can buy as many miatas as you want.

>>16440797
Lel he'll be making a quarter million a year in a couple years

>>16440797
Lol already have a 401k with company matching 4% and a vanguard with 12k from college and high school jobs.

I Need a car and 20k is a very reasonable budget.

You guys think the repair bill on an oil change is going to break me. If I spent 2 grand on repairs a year its STILL only 1.5% of my income.

>>16439930
That's actually a great idea, if I can find one.

>>16440854
Pro tip, Boxsters are fine with conventional oil, which is a good think because they need like 10 quarts of oil

>>16431738
Fiesta ST

Nothing funner than a little out of control rocket

Fuck Torque Vectoring though

>>16431738
>doesn't want a boring shitbox
>lists fiesta

I mean, unless you find the sound of cheap plastic rattling about at deafening decibel levels thrilling, I'm getting some conflicting messages.

>>16442895
>>16442906
Which is it?

>>16442895
FRONT

WHEEL

DRIVE

>>16431990
There is nothing gayer than rolling coal. Even driving a rainbow colored miata doesn't come close.

>>16432042
>>16439682
>>16444582
All these eurocucktears. KEK!

>>16444955
You're just as bad as stance fags

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My wife is an optometrist and i'm a computer security researcher. Combined, we pull around 300 G's a year. What do i drive? Ford Escape. What does she drive? Mustang. Only assholes live beyond their means.

>>16445212
>buying a 10 year old Porsche because you want a fun car makes you an asshole
Why are you even on an automotive enthusiast board?

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>>16431775
Absolutely this

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>>16444582

tfw rolling coal on BLM

>>16431775
This, get an S2000

>>16431862
>How does it compare to the miata.
Think of it as a weaponized Miata.

>>16444955
I drive a 1979 T/A. I don't care about emissions in any way. Rolling coal is extremely faggy, begging for attention like that. A pride parade with a different name, all it is.

>>16431775
>>16431836
>>16445350
>>16445376
>S2000
>daily driver

>>16445847
Unless you need to carry multiple passengers on a regular basis, there's no reason you can't. They're extremely reliable too, even by Honda standards.

>>16445911
A Boxster is more practical and comfortable though, and it costs the same. Running costs will probably be a bit higher but nothing disastrous.

>>16445911
They're uncomfortable for driving everyday and every cop in a 10 mile radius will want to pull you over

>>16445924
>A Boxster is more practical
In what way, trunk space?

>>16445924
>and comfortable
>>16445931
>They're uncomfortable for driving everyday
Have you ever driven one? It's not at all a difficult car to commute with.

>>16445949
>In what way, trunk space?
Yeah. Two trunks, though they're by no means huge.

>>16445949
>It's not at all a difficult car to commute with
No one said it was hard, just a pin in the ass

>In what way, trunk space?
more junk in your trunks
Also more torks, nicer seats, and a better rag top/more affordable hard tops in my opinion

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>>16445952
>>16445958
>>16445949
2 T R U N K S

>>16445427
your about as redneck with that 79 trans am as the coal rollers you hate

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>>16448734
Nothing wrong with being redneck, heck I'm proud of it. But rolling coal is for faggots. I drive my Trans Am because I love everything about it, it pleases me. it's an inward reason. Coal rollers do that horseshit for attention, they want to hear the cheers of their friends and the jeers of hipster bicyclists. Completely outward. Also destroying their own trucks for it is just fucking stupid. Same shit as stancers. No respect for driving, their own vehicles, or other drivers.

>>16431738
Corolla, save your money towards a down payment for a house, buy a nice car when you're actually a real man.

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>>16431738
5 Mercury Grand Marquis obviously

>>16431738
I have a 2013 GLI Autobahn, honestly the fender audio is kind of a meme, I just wanted the sunroof/dank DRLs/backupcam and nav,they are under $20k used at 30k miles, go test drive one

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>>16431738
just get the fuckin gli already.
>4 doors
>good on gas
>stick if you want good dsg if you don't
>oil change doesn't cost 400 bucks
>4 doors
>4 doors
>usable trunk
>4 doors
literally 95% of the people on here are broke fucking idiots who have deluded themselves into thinking shit cars are good.
>c5
hood is like 20 feet long. fender flares make mirrors harder to use. it's not meant to be a dd. but most people here havent driven anything worth more than 5k so nobody understands that.
>>16432042
>>16439682
>>16444582
>i'm a yuropoor
>i can't afford a cummins
god you're faggots
>>16440854
>i make lots of money
>so i don't care if i spend it like an idiot
op is also a fag, my god

be a man and get the fucking gli already

>>16449133
>>16449137
faggotry

>>16431990
>~7500lbs
>4.1x rear end
>diesel
>fast
Nope

Also
>FCA
>ever

Double nope

>>16448734
I think thats his point. He has no issue with redneckery, its just that coal rolling is pure faggotry.

>>16431738
I also had a 986 Boxster S for a couple of years. Fun car. No problem as a DD. Never broke down.

>>16451134
BUT /O/ TOLD ME THE MOST EXPENSIVE PORSCHE IS A CHEAP PORSCHE

>>16451257
Usually holds true for a beater 944, but a sorted 986 S can be had from 15 grand.

>>16451029
Take it easy, man

>>16431775
this

>>16451029
15 year old detected
enjoy your cavalier nigger

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>>16431775
Slower thana BRZ

>>16431738
scion frs

>>16442895
I love mine. Every drive is a blast. Get the recaros unless you're a fatass.

>>16444561
>DD
>FWD
Sounds okay to me anon
Go get your buspass

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for 20k you should be able to get a 03-04 SVT Mustang. Small kinda, sporty yes. You want a DD that actively wants to kill you if you're not paying attention

>>16432031
idk about more raw, but it's definitely faster.

It's not as much fun as the miata at low speeds though, you kind of have to drive fast for it to be fun

>>16440797
What kind of bullshit answer is this. This is a car enthusiast board not a fucking be responsible and invest money for tomorrow board.

Op, get the c6.

>>16455214
Just ignore the wannabe boomers that get lost on their way to /biz/, saves you a lot of headache.

>>16455257
>/biz/
>boomers
That place is all indians and adsense scammers.

>>16455301
Wannabe boomers that know what they got and know all about 401ks and investments also wander around there. Not as big, but it's clearly the same people talking about cars appreciating, as if someone's going to want their frame rotted Pinto at a price that would generate a profit.

BUY A CIVIC

>>16457374
>SELL A CIVIC
>Rent a civic?
>Borrow a civic
>"find" a civic
>destroy a civic
>fly a civic off the overpass
>Buy a civic while you are flying the first civic off the overpass
>Rent your new civic out after you buy it while you are flying off the overpass in your old civic

>>16440859
The M roadsters are awesome cars, but if you can afford it, make sure you get the Z4 version, not the Z3. The chassis is a lot more sorted, and the interior is of much higher ergonomic quality.

>>16433238
My 914 with a Carrera sixer in it was the fastest car under 50k at my local track day. And it cost 7k. Porsches handle better than anything if you know how to throw the car around properly. The guy couldn't drive for his life but he had a supercharged BRZ and I was passing him every few laps.

>>16431778
nothing wrong with german reliability
its the rare case when something goes wrong that they are expensive and that is only in the US
first thing we ask OP is where hes from
stop spamming memes

>>16439289
> slow as shit
> drove a boxster over the weekend
> drive a completely shitbox so felt fast as fuck

man i almost feel bad for people who drive fast cars

>>16458496
More fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow

>>16459157
honestly yeah. i could still drive it pretty fast but it absolutely blew my crap civic out of the water

>>16439930
this

Boxter S is best

>>16461124
This. Best mix of comfort, reliability, and fun, and speed

>>16459163
How was Geyserville?

>>16462174
?

Quick scan of thread has no Fiesta ST supporters, so I shall say ST. You can get one untouched and unfucked with in your budget and it's a pretty rad little maxhine. If I had more money I'd get one instead of my SFE version.

>>16462174
not bad desu
good roads, only slightly wet

>>16433207
>MacPherson strut
>Equal length headers on a Subaru sound like a Corolla
>Turns heads because they think you're an annoying ricer
>Slow as all hell and has less potential than a Miata
>For $15k you can buy an NA Miata, put an LS1 in it and blow the doors off of most cars in this thread
>Steering is completely numb due to the shitty electric steering rack

Toyobaru a shit meme

>>16466560
$500 AND AN AFTERNOON BRO

>>16431738
I'd spend about 3-4 grand on an low mileage Buick LeSabre and then I'd save that money and buy something nicer when I could actually afford it.

>>16431778
2012 135i here. I've had an electrical coolant pump fail and an oil gasket leak. Both fixed under my CPO warranty. $2500 worth of repairs. So shit happens. It's at 46k miles

>>16468993
I forgot to mention I have owned it for 15 months