Why don't you own a GTR?

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>>16404486
>tattoos
>hot

Because I don't look like that guy.

>>16404500
>>16404511
Wait, where did OP say that the girl is hot??

>>16404486
They're fast, but as an actual car they don't offer you much bang for your buck.

>>16404486
But i do ;)

Because I'm not a flaming homo vlogger.

Because the r35 is a fat, ugly pile of technoshit.

>>16404639
there are other gtr's...hint: they're manual and light

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>>16404486
I do tho

>>16404536
look at the title of the video in the screenshot

>>16404646
>Light

No.

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>>16404660
Yes

>>16404668
>implying I could get a 2000 GTR

>>16404660
Yes cunt, a r32 gtr is very fucking light for an AWD car.

Or are you a memefaggot who thinks stripping as much weight out as possible is always good?

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercar/2018-nissan-gt-r-heres-what-we-know

Have a read from the nissan engineers themselves about why they intentionally made the 35 heavy.

Or do you think you know better than nissan engineers?

>>16404486
>tattoos
please leave. thanks man

>>16404680
>“All journalists say GT-R is heavy, heavy, heavy - it should be lighter, lighter, lighter! I say, journalists need to develop a more professional level of thinking! More study! More thought! The GT-R needs to be this weight. A car with less weight does not handle. Lighter weight can be dangerous, and it will not be driveable by all customers.”

>He uses downforce as an example. “An F1 car weighs 560kg, more than 600kg with the driver,” he says. “How much downforce does an F1 car generate? Around 1300kg. So what is the total weight? 1860kg. A GT1 racing car weighs between 1200kg and 1300kg, plus downforce of 600kg, the actual weight on the car is 1800kg…”


Fucking educate yourself on some actual engineering. For a road car, there's a reason the GTR is that heavy.

You have clearly never driven something producing that much power with 600kg shaved off...on the street.

It's borderline suicidal, even for a good driver.

Furthermore, why do you think porsche 911's launch so fucking brutally? That's right, weight.

The increased weight over the rear wheels (The 35 has it's transmission in the rear) allows for a larger contact patch and thus traction to launch.

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>>16404486
>tats

>>16404696
>>16404680
Well fucking said. Anyone who thinks less weight is always the answer is a retarded bus driver.

Having weight in the right places can actually make you faster, depending on your setup.
Then again this board is full of busriding faggots who think they're smarter than the GTR engineers, so just wait for some moron to try and defend his indefensible position.

>>16404696
Holy shit, bro calm down.

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>>16404696

>>16404709
Just dropping some truth bombs about engineering. My work is done here.

And for the record, skyline GTR's are crazy fast when built. They're in the unique position of being light by comparison to modern cars, they can put their power down and pull big numbers.

I know people will meme they're not as light as some 900kg kit car, but it's not all about weight. Putting your power down really matters.

>>16404680
>>16404696
>>16404704
>muh grorious Nissan engineers

Shilling on the next level in this thread.

>>16404728
>Just dropping some truth bombs about engineering. My work is done here

You think you were doing that but in the end you just look like a huge autist.

>>16404729
He's not saying nissan engineers are the best, he's saying they're better than you bus riding faggots who cannot understand basic engineering.

A pretty accurate statement if you ask me.

>>16404733
>>16404729
>Trying this hard to cover up he BTFO you

Get the fuck out, you've never driven a powerful street car and your lack of knowledge is clearly showing.

>>16404734
>>16404738
*Shilling Intensifies*

>implying the only thing that matters is launching the car

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>>16404486
Because I don't have 100k to drop on a car.
Just like everyone in this thread.
sage

>>16404746
Increased weight over the rear wheels will give you superior traction under all situations.

What, you don't like more traction?
Piss off, bus rider.

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>pigfat is better

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>16404756
By your logic a fuck semi truck should be the fastest vehicle on the road. Kys yourself, Nissan shill.

>>16404769
Fuck off shitposter, porsche does the same fucking thing. Weight over the rear wheels.

Or is he shilling for 911's now?

Add any mid engine car in there too. Weight is not always the enemy, it's about where it's placed.

>>16404769
You do know the GTR is heavy only because of japanese regulations right? And even though it's heavy, the engineers turned it into a strength of the car, making it more controllable.

Fuck modern "safety features".

>>16404775
When did I say weight was the enemy? You idiots seem to think that you can make a car fast simply by making its ass fat.

I can't afford one, but if I did have 80k to spend I'd rather buy an Evora 400 or something.

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You guys are honestly fucking stupid if you believe curb weight makes a car faster.

>>16404781
Noone said that. They said you get increased traction (which you do) and that driving something that weighs 1 tonne with a blown v8 making 600hp is going to be absolutely mental on the street and while it's fun to meme about it, it's also incredibly dangerous unless you're a good driver.

Anyone who says otherwise has never gotten behind the wheel of such a car. Yes, you can drive it on the street but it's fucking MENTAL and you're on edge constantly.

Now tell me why the fuck nissan engineers would intentionally make their cars borderline suicidal when they're already under regulation stress to throw all this safety equipment in, when they can make the car pretty damn fast and safe.

Is that extra 10-20% of performance worth risking their reputation and a massive lawsuit/government fines?

Do you get it now? If you want them to go back to making cars like the skyline GTR, which was quite light....take it up with bullshit government safety regulations that makes it mandatory, instead of optional.

>>16404698
How can we end this disgusting degeneracy?

>>16404797
Jesus christ dude. Read his post here >>16404696

I'll even repost it for you.

>He uses downforce as an example. “An F1 car weighs 560kg, more than 600kg with the driver,” he says. “How much downforce does an F1 car generate? Around 1300kg. So what is the total weight? 1860kg. A GT1 racing car weighs between 1200kg and 1300kg, plus downforce of 600kg, the actual weight on the car is 1800kg…”

THEY CANNOT GENERATE THIS MUCH DOWNFORCE TO MAKE IT SAFE ON THE STREET
GOVERNMENTS WON'T LET THEM.

So instead of putting weight on the wheels via downforce (which is better) they are forced to do it via weight distribution and kerb weight.

The engineers have a duty to their customers not to make the car a suicidal monster with no downforce, no weight and shit tons of power.

They would get fired the moment the first lawsuit rolled in.

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>>16404486

Not enough torque.

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>>16404758

tattoos = weakness

>>16404799
>it's fucking MENTAL and you're on edge constantly.

That's why you don't daily that car.

>>16404808
>make the car a suicidal monster with no downforce, no weight and shit tons of power.
this is what i want in a car

>>16404808
>So instead of putting weight on the wheels via downforce (which is better) they are forced to do it via weight distribution and kerb weight.

So it's not as good as it could be? Cool. So why won't you admit the car's shortcomings?

>>16404808
Nah ur retarded.
This isn't the 90's. cars have traction control nowadays
lighter=better.

>>16404841
Get the fuck out

>>16404822
No shit, so why do people complain about nissan not selling that type of car?

Even if they wanted to, they could not legally.

>>16404836
Yea, so make it yourself dude.

Don't expect someone else to make it for you, be a man and go make a suicidal monster yourself.

The manufacturers simply can't afford another carrera GT incident. It's good for getting more customers like us....but it turns so many normies off their brand and that's not even getting into the government regulations about MUH SAFETY.

>>16404838
Pretty sure everyone fucking admits it's not ideal, it could be at least 20% better if they went balls to the wall.

But they cannot, for the above reasons. Even with that said, can you fault a GTR's performance for being a 9 year old car or whatnot?

It holds it's own pretty damn well.

>>16404844
why? because the existence of traction control destroys your entire argument?

>>16404851
>Pretty sure everyone fucking admits it's not ideal

You've never met a gtr shill, have you?

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>>16404511
>>16404698
>>16404804
>>16404817

I actually like them depending on the location and size. some people pull it off better than others in my opinion.

>>16404864
I'm talking about the people in this thread. They're making rational points about how the weight does help traction (correct) and how mental street cars are dangerous (very correct).

People don't understand what a 600hp, 1 tonne, no assists car is like until they have driven one.
600hp may not sound like a lot in this day and age, but it really is a shit ton for the street.

And you can go even crazier than that.

There's a reason nissan INTENTIONALLY made it heavy.

Carrera GT changed porsche's reputation forever.

>>16404884
>no assists
see >>16404841

>>16404799
>not wanting to die in a TVR suicide rocket

Why are you even here?

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Im fine with my stripped/gutted but also gutless 1.8 Miata.

I'd like to say it's a bit under 907kg. I couldn't even imagine having 200+ hp

I'd kill myself for sure, if I did.

>all these pussies

Lmao!

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>>16404955
>I couldn't even imagine having 200+ hp

You should get yourself one of these then.
>sub 2100 lbs
>500-700 HP
that'll put some hair on your eyeballs.

>>16404984
>this is the only car on Forza Horizon 3 with a 999 performance rating

Does it have any records?

>>16404884
power to weight ratio is damn important in a race car. The thing Nissan only has above Porsche is car and tire width which increases traction. Purpose built racers wouldn't have been built the way they were if not for engineers finding better solutions.

>>16404955

i used to drive a 4 banger like you then i bought a supercharged v8 and couldn't go back

>>16404810
who is that semen demon?

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>>16404984
how bout a twin tarbo version?

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-twin-turbo-ultima-gtr-is-a-1700bhp-ride-from-hell/

>>16404841
then why does dodge insist on making the viper so pigfat even with all its aero?

>>16405008

It previously held the record for fastest 0-100 mph or something in a street-legal car. it has also been said that some people were getting under 7 minute nurburgring times with them but there were no official attempts and probably for good reason. That Porsche Group C car that did a 6:12 or something that was an example of a special run under the right circumstances with the right driver who went balls deep in. since there aren't many drivers who would want to attempt runs like that we probably won't see many time attack runs with the Ultima or any car like it. best i saw was a run on the top gear test track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKX2KZruc3E

>>16405008

Ultima claims to have some 0-160-0 world records that have received no publicity and also claim to have driven around Dunsfold Aerodrome faster than fucking everything except Top Gear didn't bother filming it.

Kinda weird considering Ultima SEEMS like a great showcase of brit engineering. On paper, it should be a great car but why is it you don't hear about it more often?

>>16405056

I need the answer for research purposes.

>>16404984

funny you didn't post the front on view because it looks like fucking dog shit

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>>16405094

I like it from all angles but to each his own.

>>16405108
>>16405094

It's not THE prettiest side of it, but it's not bad at all!

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>I need pigfat to keep me from killing myself

pic related

>>16404696
and he wanted it to be easy to drive on snow and ice
so a bit of static mass helps there also

>>16405108

>stole the cockpit from a cessna

shit looks retarded famalams

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>>16404836
not everyone is mike hawthorn
even f1 puts a ban on having too much down force

>>16404808
>not to make the car a suicidal monster with no downforce, no weight and shit tons of power.
Sound like a bunch of faggots desu

Also,
http://koenigsegg.com/one1/
>fully road legal and usable
>Total Downforce at 260km/h: 610kg at 440km/h: 830kg

Sounds like everyone else just needs to GIT GUD

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>peep peep
down force and pig fat is for sissies
>so is having more than two wheels lol

>>16404500
Alphonse!
What's it like being a tripfag meme these days?

>>16404680
>>16404680
>>16404696
>>16404704
>>16404728
>>16404734
>>16404738
>>16404777
>>16404781
>>16404799
>>16404808
>>16404851
>>16404884
That's literally a manufactured reason for the weight of the R35. Nissan engineers along with all other automotive engineers know that less weight is better for performance period all else being equal.

I feel like the reason why people get suckered by this bullshit is because they've never even taken a basic class on this. The extra weight of the car cannot enhance the dynamics of the car. The maximum g load that a tire can provide will actually decrease with additional weight: http://www.stevemunden.com/friction.html

The reason why the car is heavy as fuck is because:

1. You need to make the car a certain size because otherwise nothing will fit in the car and you will have shitty weight distribution/moment of inertia.

2. Nissan doesn't want to go to aluminum or carbon fiber so the frame is steel.

3. To improve handling you need a certain level of frame rigidity or else the entire car will act like a spring when it goes over bumps which can cause unpredictable behavior if it happens mid-corner.

4. They don't want to have a car with such a high power to weight ratio with such little downforce that the car is almost entirely about how well you can feather the throttle.


Actual automotive engineers would cringe at the explanation Nissan gave because it's nowhere near complete.

If they were serious about improving the R35's performance they would replace all of the body panels with carbon fiber, ship carbon ceramic brakes, unfuck the suspension, fix the front lift effect of the design, update the aging VR38DETT to add direct injection and exhaust-side VVT, update the turbos, and a whole laundry list of other shit instead of doing nothing and charging more for it.

>>16404654
Is that an R32?

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>>16405430
>If they were serious about improving the R35's performance
lip stick on a pig
all they would be doing is to drive up the cost

>>16405462
>making the suspension actually tuned well instead of understeering soft bullshit
>dropping hundreds of pounds
>improving aerodynamics
>updating the engine for better response and efficiency

I forgot that none of that matters, guess we can fire the engineering team.

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>>16405480
you should be surprised the r35 even exists in the first place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LzVoLiVCw

gtr is only 170kg heavier than the z06 while being awd, seating four, and not being a cheap plastic piece of poop
and people call the gtr pigfat... lmao

>>16405517
I've seen that video. What it's actually about is the importance of weight distribution and ATTESA. Ideally you want the weight to be at the center of the vehicle as low to the ground as possible with even weight distribution to all 4 wheels. This allows for the least inertia so the car will turn with less tire force and will respond faster.

The R35 is very much what the R34 was going to be before Nissan went bankrupt. It's not a surprise they made it.

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>>16405519
people don't want a mid engined four wheel drive corvette ?

>>16405526
its just that I feel some people are missing the point and only think of ideal conditions

>>16405550
I'm making the point that the weight is not there just because it makes it better. They got to a certain weight just trying to make the car work as a package and then tuned power to suit.

If the car could be much lighter it's guaranteed they would've used a smaller engine and less power so it could be controllable yet faster.

I guarantee you that when we sit down to do a design review of a car no one is going to say that the car needs to be heavier. Ever. The engine may be too much power for the car but the solution is never to add weight.

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>>16404486
But I do.

>>16405436
It is

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>>16405555
>no one is going to say that the car needs to be heavier. Ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFcanpNarEg#t=3m45s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmM-1T0RYBk

the ways around this are a cluster fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9VWbxXwm1g#t=1m15s

>Lotus 79b
uses a naturally aspirated v8
.eg has large amount of room for ground effect channels in the floor pan

>Ferrari 015
flat 12 in the way

>Renault RS01
turbo and inter cooler in the way

there is no room to do any of this to the r35

>>16405560
>automatic
RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16405612
It has 580 horsepower in a car that weighs 1000 pounds. To equal the power to weight ratio of the R35 it would have to have 150 horsepower.

It's Top Gear. They aren't engineers. They are just making the point that a downforce car is very difficult to drive if you aren't familiar with how they work.

>>16405594
How is maintenance? I've heard that parts are getting rare.

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>>16405616
>150ms shifts
feels comfy

>>16405629
>How is maintenance? I've heard that parts are getting rare.
It's easy, but I'm still in Japan. OEM parts are rare, but I don't really understand the obsession with having factory stock GT-Rs in the States. They're not awful stock but they're much, much better modified.

>>16405638
The whole interest in stock cars in the US is that most people have no idea to how to mod cars and make the car worse as a result. Even in Japan people love using turbo timers and other dumb things like that.

>>16405629
>very difficult to drive if you aren't familiar with how they work.
they have shit mechanical grip
.ie wait around and treat the throttle and steering like a sponge

>>16404810
Being this cute should not be legal

>>16405092
Brits have known and made stripped out track toys for decades (Radical, Lotus 7 and all the iterations of it). They know it's not worth boasting about because the reality of their limitations are embarrassing when put into proper context, something Hennessy ignores.

>>16405676
Buying them stock I understand, that's what I did. But I don't understand keeping them stock and spending ridiculous amounts of money to make them that way.

I use an EBC (HKS EVC-S) but it's been setup by JUN, when they put all my other shit in.

>>16404810
thanks for the img title, helped the research
>>16405056
>>16405684
>>16405092
here you go boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6hXrLCVyyU

eh I've fukt cuter but p qt

>>16404511
Tats are sexy

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>>16404486
Because if I actually had any money I'd rather own some glorious heap like this.

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Did Nissan literally brain wash a generation to...
Disregard years of racing and engineering?

Senna said the NSX was the greatest car he ever drove.

>Balance
>Light
>Power Curve

Simple right?

>>16404752
they go for around 20-30k in europ.

I could get one but I don't want to eat into my parents bank account.
I'll buy one when they're 10 years old.

>>16404808
>The engineers have a duty to their customers not to make the car a suicidal monster with no downforce, no weight and shit tons of power.
MR2 happened.
And we're grateful they didn't bother.

>>16404511
>you're probably single

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>>16404500
>>16404511
>>16404632
>>16404688
>>16404698

Tattoed pale skin dark haired emo/Goth/ hipster/ scene chicks are fucking hot

No ifs ands or butts about it.

>>16407608
That looks like some weird hentai right there.

>>16404486
Because only retarded califags and literal spoilt children, neither of which know anything about cars, drive R35s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jLiUTA8OtE

>>16407262
>>16407532
t. White trash

>>16404486
>covering your face and putting your knee in front of your head while riding in a car

Why?

>>16408688
Ur supposed to fuck them not marry them you autistic virgin

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Because I can pay a third as much, get something actually naturally aspirated, and walk your nip-loving asses all day kek

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>>16404486
>paddles

no

>>16407608
>Namefags actually try to defend this degeneracy

>>16404777

The 400lbs of shitty sound BOSE bullshit isn't helping.

>>16410357
Fuck off /pol/, no one cares about the morality of the person you stick your dick into. Degenerate or not, who cares? If it pleases my penis I couldn't give less of a shit.

>>16404486
Because you can't import an R34 to the U.S.

>>16405430
what do you think of the e39 m5 and rx7 fd?

>>16405637
you eat mcdonalds. you are shit.
>TFW you don't own it & you eat fast food because you're broke as shit from leasing

>>16408711
To show pantsu

>>16410435
The RX7 is an amazing car to drive but rotary maintenance is no joke.

E39 M5 is an amazing car period. Really the end of an era along with E46 M3.

>>16410475
yee

>>16410425
The R34 GT-R has been memed to hell and back.

It was a refined R33 GT-R. That's it. Nicer interior and aero package, slightly retuned suspension, new looks, and minor engine updates.

It made sense when it was around the same price as the R33 but now it's easily double the money when it isn't double the car at all.

>>16410491
Glad you think so. Proud owner of an e39 m5 and I don't think I will ever sell it... FD is my dream sports car and I'm ready to invest in the proper reliability upgrades once I can find a suitable example...
http://rx7.voodoobox.net/infofaq/bguide3g/bguide3g.html
Seems like the reliability issues stem mainly from shitty temp gauges, improper tuning & a lack of adequate technology at most mazda dealer service garages

>>16410507
>The R34 GT-R has been memed to hell and back.
...Not really sure why that matters/what that means.
Keiichi Tsuchiya owned them all and says the r34 is the best and the r33 was a complete let down after the r32.

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>>16410357
>closet homosexual detected.

>>16410523
I'm more tolerant of flaws in older cars because it's the past. Modern cars have fewer excuses. Nissan has already come to the brink once over bad judgment calls in product management. They're doing it yet again by making a car excessively soft and understeer-y.

The FD was an amazing car that suffered from limitations in what was possible at the time. Emissions standards were really a big problem and the precats, EGR, and rats nest of vacuum line were the result of trying to meet those at the time.

>>16410548
Tsuchiya liked the press demo car and then bought his own normal R33 GT-R and hated it because it was tuned to be fairly soft. The V-Spec was much harder and a better car.

Also, it's worth noting that his opinion changed with the Series 3 1997-1998: http://www.r33gt-r.com/2014/07/best-motoring-keiichi-tsuchiya-review.html

He claims the R33 is slower than the R32. This is only true in a straight line where power to weight is everything. Nissan quietly changed this for the R34 with new turbos and more boost (1 bar) which added a fair bit of power over the ~280 crank HP of the R32 (.7 bar boost) and ~300 crank HP of the R33 (.85 bar boost).

This assumes you don't remove the boost restrictor from any of the cars.

In retrospect you can do some minor mods to an R33 and easily equal or better the R34 GT-R. The two cars are so similar, the R34 GT-R rear diffuser is a straight bolt-on mod, as is the steering wheel for series 2 and series 3 R33 GT-Rs. The brakes are identical on R33 and R34 GT-Rs across the board. A number of suspension components from the R34 GT-R are straight bolt-ons for the R33 GT-R.

Under the skin there is a lot shared between the R33 and R34 GT-R. You have to remember that Nissan was basically bankrupt by the time they got around to the R34 GT-R so a bunch of new things they wanted to do just weren't possible. Engineer interviews mention things like aluminum block V6 and new brakes.

shitbroke they are like 100k euros

>>16410592
Damn Dude, You're a real enthusiast! Thanks for the info & happy new year!

>>16410608
I don't think a GTR would fit in my garage next to my M5... that's why I need an FD! lol

>>16410608
At the time the R34 GT-R was a good buy. Now it is 2x the price of a good R33 GT-R. Even stock the R34 GT-R is not 2x the R33 GT-R.

If they were comparable in price I would get an R34. But the R34 has been memed to stupid prices. It's just not worth the asking price. There's very little that is R34 GT-R exclusive other than Nismo parts.

>>16410626
I live in the USA so I can't buy any of them except the gay new one or an r32 so IDGAF

>>16405517
It's a Rally Car for the road. Nissan won't admit it but the Porsche 959 influence still lingers on them.

>>16410425
Land of the free.

>>16410448
What the fuck are you rambling on about? Fast food, even shit tier versions of it, is way more expensive than making your own shit. You'd know this if you weren't a NEET.

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>>16410448
I have the appetite of a 5 year old so I have fast food and pizza 99.9% of the time (had some taco bell tonight). My fridge is usually empty and if it has anything in it they are beverages.

>>16410448
>>16411525
also I bought it used for about half the price of new with 10k miles on it

>>16405430
>
>implying that one can design a high-speed train by slapping a high power motor on every axle and carbon fiber body
same principle

>>16407318
>le NSX was the greatest car eva

>>16410548
>Cd = 0.4 for R32
>R33 was letdown

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>>16404511
This. Tattoos are trashy

>>16410627
In 3 years the R33 GT-R will be able to be imported. If you talk to importers people are starting to make the move now to avoid the price spike that happened with the R32. There's a lot of market speculation one direction or another because of the uncertainty.

>>16411593
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire_load_sensitivity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNa2gZNqmT8

You really can't get more grip in a useful manner by adding weight as soon as the friction coefficient starts to taper off.

To be clear, more weight is better but the returns diminish rapidly. The ideal point certainly isn't 4000 pounds because that assumes constant weight on each tire. As soon as you go into a turn the weight transfer will fuck things up.

Nissan is cutting costs here. That's the reality.