Funwagons

nobody wants them due to the image
most people think theyre ugly
suvs/cuvs are better and replaced them


I wouldnt get one since they are hipster faggot tier now and look uglier than sedans

The American lifestyle used to promote two cars: big trucks, and luxurious cars. Wagons were usually cheap cars, and very ugly. That image is still stuck today. Personally, I love wagons.

>>16392249
I don't think it's possible for an estate to be ugly

>>16392197
>Bad marketing
>Bad historical image Station wagons were made 'uncool'
> Why have that tiny little car when you could have fuck hueg suv / truck to cruise parking lots
>Only lesbos drive them

Yeah, I would probably kill to have a nice older bmw wagon, really everything you need in a car right there.

>>16392215
Shut your whore mouth.
>most people think theyre ugly
>suvs/cuvs are better and replaced them
>I wouldnt get one since they are hipster faggot tier now and look uglier than sedans

>>16392215
you must be 18 to post on this board

>why did station wagons not catch on in America
They were everywhere for several decades. It wasn't until the 2000s that they decided that minivans were generally more efficient.

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>aberiga
Again: muh big trucks muh big soccer moms

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I don't have a wife and kids

>>16392296
>>16392335
see what I mean
hipster faggots

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Wagons.

>>16392464
Yes, if only cars were purchased on a rational basis

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>Magnum Hellcat will never be a thing

>>16392492
this is literally why no one buys wagons

they are family moving old people cars

Imo sometimes wagons are more practical then SUV's or trucks/utes.

A good example is my mate who is a semi-pro bmx rider and producer. Great storage room for his bike and camera gear. Can fit a mattress and sleep if needed. Comfortably fits five people.

In saying that, a van would be equally as practical for him but the wagon does the job.

>>16392501

For some reason I read " Heliumcat "

From personal experience I can say wagons are driven by 40 something men who can't get it hard but date 17 year olds.

They also look disgusting as fuck.
I understand the appeal "muh i have muh kids and muh wife but I want a sporty car"
All it is is a compromise. An ugly, nasty compromise. After your wife gave you an ultimatum and you were too much of a pussy to do the right thing.

wagons were the uncool car from previous generations. now theyre old and uncool, which is a double whammy. there's no reason to not get a CUV if you want a wagon or a small hatchback like a fit or a mazda 3.

>>16392531
And sedans aren't?

>>16392197
Because SUVs/trucks aren't held to the same emissions regulations, making them superficially cheap.

>>16392215
>SUV/CUVS are better
SUV: heavier, worse mpgees, can't turn, rollover risk
CUV: heavier, pointlessly tall, rollover risk
Not. Comparable.

The real answer is "because hatchbacks". The difference is one less fucking window pillar and much better weight distribution/less length for similar or equivalent utility. Why would you buy a wagon over a hatchback, which is a refined version of the wagon and fills the exact same niche?

>>16393557
CUVs fill a different niche. They exist to get the people that wanted SUVs for the safe/powerful feeling of the added height but didn't need to actually go offroad or carry more shit than you can fit in a hatchback, and to improve fleet averages while doing it. They exist because cars sell for more reasons than pure practicality. They sell for subjective reasons and regulatory necessity too!

Am I on nega-/o/? Wagons are generally loved here.

>>16393593
>rollover risk

son this hasn't been an issue since ESC.

>>16393593
The hatchback thing is true to a point, but most hatches have much less room in back than a proper wagon.

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>men say wagons are for women
>women says wagons are for men

>>16393605
It's not enough to really make a difference when you can go over the seats, fold the seats down, or take them out. Just cram the kids closer together, leave one home, or get a truck.

>>16393615
it can easily be the difference between can fit a bike and can't fit a bike.

>>16393595
this desu

just because nobody has posted a volvo meme wagon, everyone is shitting on them

80's hatchbacks/wagons >>> wagons > MR 2 seaters > hatchbacks >> coupes > luxobarges >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sedan shits

>>16393627
As in a motorcycle? Please use a trailer, or a truck bed with an bolted down wheel chock.

As in a bicycle? Fold it or put it on the roof/on the back.

>>16392197
hnnnnng

>>16393639
>buys a hatchback for the space
>has to invest in roof racks/bike rack

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>>16392197
I do have one though? http://sli.mg/a/z9JGtR

I have one. It was my first car growing up. 1979 toyota corona wagon. 20r engine. I would post a pic but i got a new phone recently so i dont have one saved on here. The reason no one buys them is because they are uncool (to the general masses) and because most people who would drive one will either just buy a van or large suv/truck.

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>>16392482
mmm

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Good car for daily driving?

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I'd love one honestly

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>>16392197
is this a funwagon?

>>16395803
I see these alot on the Autobahn, especially the RS Package/Trim they are strong as fuck.

>why did station wagons/estates not catch on in america

because americans are obsessed with self image and how others perceive them

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Sport Wagon = Best Wagon

>>16392197
>le dad car xDDDD

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Looking to buy a wagon as my first car.

All I plan to do is manual swap and fix it up.

Which should I go for? any others to consider?

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>>16392197
>why u not have one?
but I do, anon

>>16397444
Volvo is probably easier to come by unless you live in Straya or Nipland. They also came in manual so you wouldn't need to swap it.

>>16397444
Volvo because good fucking luck finding parts for a Cressida

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>and why do you not have one yourself?
Joke's on you, I plan to own a first gen V70 by the end of January. I'm only waiting for a nice example to pop up in the ads. Hopefully a T5 or R. I've got the budget for it, it's only a matter of someone selling a nice one.

>>16397489
>first gen V70
Watch out with the AWD ones, apparently they like to break.

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>tfw no 320 hp AWD Buick Regal wagon in the US

>>16396689
Most of all they're tailgatey as fuck. They drive as if they were the new Audis, and Audis drive as if they were the new BMWs. All a bunch of reckless cunts to me.

>>16397535
you cant outbmw bmw drivers
t.ex bmw driver

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Doritos make best wagons

>>16393593
aren't hatchbacks all small cars?

burger example: Cadillac CTS-V wagon is based off midsized car, Chebby hatches are all based off compact or sub-compact

you can for sure fit more stuff in a wagon than in a hatchback.

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*fun intensifies*

people liked body on frame suvs a lot for some reasons.

>>16397993
Maybe not, but Audi drivers sure are trying hard.

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>>16398609
What the fuck.

>>16399673
I miss my Stagea.She had such a fat arse.

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>>16392197
Oh, but I do have one

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>>16393731
Based. Reminds me of this.

>>16397524
GM trash.

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>>16399950
Not all GM is trash. Most. But not all.

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>>16392215
>>16392296
>>16392341
>>16392344
>>16393551
this.

Your average burger thinks that any wagon = pic related

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>there are people on this board -right now- who think that wagons are ugly and that SUVs are better
Are you blind and do you have to offroad 20 miles to work every day?

>>16395813
That's more of a shooting brake.

>>16399673
Wish mine was a GT, my 2.5i is far too slow for that kind of fun.

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mine

>>16400096
Wait, they sold Mazda 6 wagons in the US?

>>16400166
For like a week (2-3 years)
>mfw no ms6 wagon

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>>16397535
This is so true. Skoda Octavia is the Audi for people who can't afford an Audi.

That said, I drive pic related. The Skoda Octavia RS for people who can't afford a Skoda Octavia RS.

>tfw wagons still the number 1 most common car on German roads

Followed by hatchbacks and, annoyingly, fucking SUVs.

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Wagon reporting in!

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>>16401610
As fun as any other car?

>>16401637
not as a BMW or a polestar ofc. But i have the most powerful engine that was available (160 hp yay) and i take good are of it. i'm happy with it

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>Twin Turbo V6
>160mph
>Look like a middle aged nobody with a penchant for car booting

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Nice cars, but what I want is the suspension out of one since it's stiffer than a beetle's.

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>>16401641
That's decent. Every car should have 150hp at least.

>>16401647
It looks really sad.

>>16402104
Funny thing is, that Vectra is very closely related to the 9-3.

>>16402145
That's why I posted it. 2nd gen 9-3 is one of the best looking cars of its decade. Comfy, very good safety ratings and a decent power is also available (250+ hp).

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>>16402104

Sadness is nothing when you're making a lazy 280hp from a tt 2.8 V6

>>16402244
Don't know how much it costs but I bet that you can get something better for the price.

>>16401183
Woah, didn't know they made the ST as a wagon.

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It's slow, plain, and dented but I love her. It does take a corner well though for something this size.

>>16402263
i don't like the vectra much, but it's practically free

>>16402268
Much cheaper than the 280hp 9-3?

>>16402263

Any Vectra is cheap as fuck. One that gets 25mpg is going to be even cheaper. The hard part is finding one.

>>16402278
well, i live in sweden, so i don't think so here at least

they start at like 11k burgers here, with one down at like 5k

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>>16393551
My E63 says you can go fuck yourself...

>>16402296
I live not so far from Sweden.
I just don't think that you should give away any real money for an Opel.

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>>16402305

FUCK YOU

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>>16402305
not-mine E61 agrees

>>16393551
I enjoy the storage capabilities of my car. I've had quite a few things in it while it was raining keeping my shit dry. Yea I know a van can do the same thing but it comes with the pedophile stereotype. The worst a wagon has is a lesbian or a soccer mom.

>>16402316
>>16402319
Problem is, I can't get either of these in the states. I'd rather have the m5, but it's not an option. And if I'm going to deal with importing instead, I'd rather have an Alpina to an M.

>>16402313
>I just don't think that you should give away any real money for an Ope

i will happily agree with that

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>>16402332
A company in Colorado imports disassembled Holden Utes and fuses them with Pontiac G8 donors, surely the same would be possible with a Vauxhall wagon.

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>>16394875

I wonder if anyone would buy a barge-sized wagon with a third row. Like a Ford Flex, but lower.

>>16393615
>Backseat passengers OR cargo (hatchback)
vs
>Backseat passengers AND cargo (wagon)
for approximately the same volume of non-passenger cargo- that's a pretty clear increase in utility.

Granted, not everyone needs it. A lot of people will be served just fine by the hatchback, at least with infrequent passengers or small kids or whatever. The fact that you don't need the extra space doesn't make them "equivalent" though, it just makes the bigger option overkill for your needs.

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>>16402943
Leave it to the fucking frogs to build something like this.

It's pretty terrible, by the way, but that's mainly because early 2000s Peugeot.

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>>16402961
Just noticed that's the 308, here's its predecessor (the 307).

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>>16402943
Doesn't even need to be barge sized. If you only use the third row sparsely it's sufficient to be E-Class or V70 sized to fit folding seats for two minors below the cargo floor in place of the spare wheel (or in case of the E-Class I think even despite the spare wheel unless you have an AMG model).

People who use the third row all the time will buy a larger vehicle anyway, like a Tahoe or Suburban or something.

>>16403158
That might be a car for you if you also don't like your kids.

>>16397455
850 T5 or V70?
I had a 850 T5 with those rims.

>>16402104
3rd gen front is the best looking SAAB, but those white rear lights ruin the 9-3 estates.

Back then America wasn't as tolerant to the LGBT community as Europe was, hence why fag mobiles werec more popular overseas.

>>16402316
get that filthy badge of my commo cunt

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>>16392197
Ohh but i do but its a bitch on f'in matience...... but fun as hell . 430 bhp from uncorking and ecu reflash

>>16392197
The only big difference with sedans is aesthetics and in some cases the ability to have 7 seats. The amount of cargo they can haul isn't much different unless you fill it above the lid which obstructs your vision anyways. Also they are heavier than sedans and their chassis is less stiff.

I like wagons though.

>>16395514
I would i think stock it puts out 200hp

>>16393615
Yes it's enough to make a difference. The real cargo competitor to the wagon is the sedan, as a hatchback is basically a chopped sedan.
As I said above, the main difference is that some wagons can have 7 seats.

The beta male gayness is to much.
A man driving a wagon is as bad as a man driving a Minivan.

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Why aren't shooting brakes more of a thing?

>>16404532
t. beta cuck

>>16404366
And the facelift rear lights are much worse for the sedan. I prefer the pre-facelift 9-3. That design is more solid. No fake grills and other design trend bs like that.

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>>16404745
A mix of the 9-3 and 9-5 would do wonders.
I both love the facelift 9-3 3nd gen front, and the face lifted 1st gen 9-5 but I hate the 2nd gen and 3nd gen 9-3 rear and facelifted 9-5 rear while the old 9-5 rear is nice.

the facelifted 9-5 front with it's chrome around the headlights are awful, but the 2nd gen black masked 9-3 rear is fucking gorgeous.

>>16404766
>the facelift 9-3 3nd gen
You mean the 2nd gen. There are only two.

My favorite 9-5 is the first facelift (the one in your picture) because of nicer front grill. The pre-facelift has nicer rear lights tho.

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>>16404827
Yeah, meant 2nd gen, saw it and removed it on the other parts but forgot one as you saw.

You have the same taste as me then.
One big flaw with all the facelift 9-5 is that the pre-face lift use glass and don't yellow out after a while, the one I have is fully spec'd and I love it.
Tuned to 320HP/545Nm, sadly it uses the Kenwood audio system and I haven't made it work with aux yet.
I have a spare JVC 2-DIN BT/AUX/USB stereo, but then I lose radio and steering wheel features.

>>16404852
>You have the same taste as me then.
Except when it comes to the 9-3's I guess.

Nice car! I'm more into OG900's and my NG. I have a 1997 900SE 2.0T Talladega edition with an aero body kit.
Why won't you go with the original radio and the aux set?

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>>16404899
It'd be very helpful if you could point out a good aux set, since I've had bad luck with finding a cheap one that doesn't involve sleeving my own connections.
One big pro with the JVC KW-R600 BT is that I can mount the hands-free in the A-pipllar right beside the sun shades.

>>16404918
http://saabaux.com/
It isn't cheap but I would probably get one if there would be one for NG900's.

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>>16404950
Holy moly, yeah it's pricy for what it does.

Much thanks for helping me out though.

I had the JVC in my previous 9-5 (Sedan Aero with Stage 1) and maybe I'll just have to live with moving my hand 2 feet so I can click on the stereo instead on the wheel when I change songs or what not.
bonus that I can make it the same color as the interior orange (looks brighter due to camera being picky, but looks almost identical when looking with the naked eye).

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>>16404967
I will probably go with this crap cause I need the aux. Right now I have a good looking aftermarket stereo with useless cd player and no aux.
The original stereo with working tape deck and an aux would be ideal. Maybe someday I will figure how to make it happen.

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>>16405033
Did your 9-3 have the 2-din or the 1-din?
The cassette to 3.5mm is a cheap solution while it's sound isn't aux or USB tier, it's still better than most BT transmissions.

>>16392197
They're for soccer moms, hipsters, and teenage girls. No thanks.

>>16405053
>NG900
>aftermarket stereo

I wouldn't use that abomination of an adapter even if I would have the tape deck. Sound quality matters.

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My DD while my main car is out of action

>>16405081
cuck

>>16402943
Confirmed. I have a hatchback Mazda6 which has the look of a sedan, but great if you buy a tv or washingmashine or christmastree, but in this case 3 people tops. Wagon would be good for 5 people and a washing mashine.
As a next car I'd like a strong wagon, like an S70 T5, or A6 above 220HP

>>16407814
>a hatchback Mazda6 which has the look of a sedan
>things that never happened: the post

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>>16407998

>>16408021
fun fact: they came both with a regular trunk or a hatch, the placement of the antenna on the roof or the tailgate is the only major giveaway as to which a particular car has. i was very surprised the first time i saw a hatchback one as my 6 had the regular trunk

>>16408044
roof or the glass, sorry

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>>16408044
I was amazed to learn that they were even sold in the US. Four door liftback hatches are usually a European thing.

>>16408021
>>16408044
>>16408049
That's not a hatchback faggot. That's a liftback sedan. This is a car forum, use your terms accurately.

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>>16400096
my nigger

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>>16408065
>Black
MMMMMmmmm
Show me more

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>>16408062
is this a hybrid design where it can open either way or is that 2 different versions of the car. it looks like the one with the glass lifted has a hinge mechanism in the right spot?

>>16408548
Yes, it's dual way on a single model. I think they call it the Twindoor.

>>16408548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX51RfgeECQ

>>16408575
>>16408577
man that's frickin sweet. i almost missed that, was 100% convinced it was 2 different models till i saw that weird half-circle hinge cover

>>16393551
lmao, projecting much? I live in New England and I've literally never seen or heard of this stereotype. Mostly old ladys have wagons where I live. Besides, what compromises? If we're talking about the wagon version of a car that's already a sedan I can't see where the compromise is. Aside from maybe 100lbs at most extra weight in the rear the driving experience is likely the same as the sedan. I have a Legacy wagon but I test drove a Legacy sedan before buying the wagon and there was literally zero discernible difference from the driving seat. Same engine, same transmission, no difference from the driver's seat. Better outward visibility than the sedan too.

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God wagon coming through!

>>16404443
2004 audi s4 avant (6mt) btw :)

>>16404443
Oooh boy, a B6? Have fun when the timing chain guides go.

>Ohioan poorfag

Why is the only thing I can find around here jellybean taurus wagons

>>16409491
Already done them and started running 10w 60w did it in my drive way with 4 tall jack stands , engine hoist + alot a cussing (still oddly easier than when iwas swapping all my bushings to urathane (so many sizzeezed bolts from former dealer b.s)

>>16409506
Oh and 0w - 40w for the winter. After some wear check lab tests ( oil analysis) ive came to the conclusion in my mind that the v8 s4 should have been 10w 60w or atleast a 5w 50w from factory like the bmw v8 (both are alusil blocks)

>>16408062
Skoda Superb

>>16396708
They did catch on, ya dolt. What are the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's