Pointless brands

anything related to gm

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>literally nothing left but econoboxes and cuckovers

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>>16385113
That's one that I forgot about.

>>16385082
foreman needs a fancy pickup. leather very nice.
>>16385089
Great entry level luxury. Bargain for one or two years old. JDPower likes them.
>>16385104
Already dead dumbass.

>>16385113
>-Mitsubishi
Is reinventing itself with hybrid cars next year.

>>16385141
>Suzuki
AFAIK they still sell all around Asia.

>>16385141
they still make good cars

>>16385089
Chinks love buick

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>>16385141
Suzukis are neat though, plus they still make decent bikes and boat engines.

>>16385147
>foreman needs a fancy pickup. leather very nice.

But the Chevys can have that too, they just need a different model name to indicate the higher tiers like Ford does.

>Already dead dumbass.

Lincoln is still in business and makes new cars every year

>>16385170
China likes Cadillacs too, just switch the badge

>>16385183
>>16385141
Suzuki makes motorcycles and recreation vehicles. Their cars/trucks are long gone, at least in the US

>>16385190
Sucks to be American I guess.

Nothing wrong with gmc at all.

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>>16385193
Wow, how great it must be to be a yuropoor slob and have access to great cars like this

>>16385212
nothing relevant either

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These POS's sadly keep multiplying like rabbits.

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I don't even see the point anymore.

>muh "boxer" engine
>muh AWD
>muh rally championship wins from 15 years go
>muh CVTs

>>16385212
Gmc/Chevy a shit

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>>16385082
I would be so excited to see Ford and Toyota go under and disappear forever and ever amen.

>>16385227

I just think the badge looks really aesthetic desu

>>16385219
Porshe>VW>Audi>Skoda

>>16385190

Suzuki is huge globally. They just never got a foothold in the US, so they just said 'fuck it'.

>>16385227
The cvt meme needs to die already

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>>16385219
Skodas are perfectly fine cars tho, some are just badge-engineered VWs but others are different.

pic related

>>16385234
lol why tho, this thread is about brands that no longer offer anything

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>>16385214
Or this.

>>16385242
That's because in developing countries, motorcycles and scooters are king and Suzuki is great at that. People are familiar with the brand and it makes sense for them to go from a suzuki scooter to a suzuki econobox

>>16385249
Lotuses are sold in the US

>>16385219
Skodas a good. Better choice than Naziwagens nowadays.

>>16385245
>this thread is about brands that no longer offer anything
Exactly. Ford, Toyota.

>>16385263
At least explain the point. Unless you're an FCA shill who can't stand success.

>>16385257
Only the pigfat Evora. The Elise was last sold in 2011 and won't be sold again until at least in 2020. And Lotus is only one of many examples. Meanwhile we can import all the American cars we want.

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>>16385227
>>16385244
There's literally nothing wrong with cone transmissions

>>16385279
>Meanwhile we can import all the American cars we want.
If you pay up. Have fun with the insane gas prices, insurance, road taxes and yearly vehicle inspections.

>>16385279
>implying there's a difference between a "new" elise and one from 10 years ago

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>>16385104
Lincoln actually has really impressive interiors. Grandfather just bought an MKX because he wanted a quiet highway cruiser and it fits the bill perfectly, much more than an edge in the same price range.

The interior on the new Continental is maximum overcomfy, too. Might consider buying one of those used in a few years as a family car.

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>>16385272
They have so much money and do nothing with it. They're utterly useless as car companies, but wizards at sales generation. Thing is, I can't drive sales or advertizing campaigns- I drive cars; engineered cars. Toyota and Ford have so many production issues and recalls for the amount of revenue they pull in. It's unacceptable, they're bullshit companies straight up and down.

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>>16385303
>Lincoln actually has really impressive interiors.
Found the resident shill. Always on guard to damage control and spin the argument.

>>16385303
The Continental is just a longer MKZ, which is literally a Ford Fusion

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>>16385309
They have so much money and do nothing with it. They're utterly useless as car companies, but wizards at sales generation. Thing is, I can't drive sales or advertizing campaigns- I drive cars; engineered cars. Chrysler and GM have so many production issues and recalls for the amount of revenue they pull in. It's unacceptable, they're bullshit companies straight up and down.

>>16385291
>If you pay up.
American cars are cheap to begin with.
>insane gas prices
Yes, but not that much worse compared to European vehicles of similar size and power if available. I think it makes very little difference to fuel economy whether you drive a Corvette or BMW M5. Plus we're not forced to drive as far on a daily basis as Americans do, so it cancels out. And when in doubt there's still LPG.
>insurance
No worse than in the US while providing better coverage, unless you're a 20 year old with three wrecks on his record.
>road taxes
Not that bad, who cares about a hundred bucks more or less a year?
>yearly vehicle inspections
Biannual, and unless you're driving a literal shit heap that shouldn't exist on public roads anyway they're not an issue.

>>16385309
>useless as car companies, but wizards at sales generation

That's the point of a car company

>Thing is, I can't drive sales or advertizing campaigns- I drive cars; engineered cars

Yea your mom's Toyota Matrix that you drive doesn't live up to your sophisticated engineering standards

>>16385279
>tfw lotus's are legal and plenty of gas to go around where I live

feels good man

>>16385245
>VWs
That's the problem. They're not exciting or anything. They're just run of the mill. There's nothing special about them but they still break all the time. Just plain boring. This applies to every VAG brand except Porsche, they're perfectly fine. And there seems to be a gigantic attitude problem with VAG drivers but once again, Porsche (save Cayenne and Macan) seems to be the exception. 70% of VAG drivers are cocks.

>>16385352
>except porsche
straight busta

>>16385352
>That's the problem. They're not exciting or anything.

They're cheap and different, which is better than a lot of companies can offer.

>>16385337
SO McDonalds is also a car company? They have wicked sales. Either that or you're just dense.
>>16385337
>Toyota Matrix
I drove a Matrix once. It was such a piece of shit the accelerator pedal sounded like it was mounted to cardboard and used the springs from a mouse trap, it burned so much oil and was loud and the transmission was such a piece of garbage that refused to upshift on time and dropped a gear if you looked at it wrong. I could type an entire bestselling novel about how shit the Matric and Camry were Dont even get me started on Ford. You have to remove the alternator and waterpump housing to change the spark plug wires on an engine that gets 13mpg and makes no more than 230hp. What year were you born?
>inb4 but they're so much better than they were 4 years ago
tell that to the warranty engine replacement at both Ford and Toyota. Fords blew up because they're cheap, Toyotas brand new V6s are dropping valves and lunching engines, on top of class action oil burning lawsuits that continue to this day.

>>16385368
Completely agree on the first one. Maybe you can sell me on the second argument as well. What is it that's different about them?

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pointless even among pointless supercars

>Audi R8s are better than Huracans
>Borrow equipment from VAG
>Zero innovation, just loud engines in bright colored cars
>no turbos
>no KERS-like or hybrid tech to compete with Ferrari/McLaren/Porsche
>always on fire

>>16385385
Yes I'm dense for saying car companies are in business to sell cars

>>16385392
>>no turbos
>implying this is a bad thing

>>16385392
>Zero innovation, just loud engines in bright colored cars
>always on fire
Keeping true to the Lamborghini tradition then.

>>16385386
>What is it that's different about them?
VW, while being a sales whore like the other big guys, at least continues to engineer their vehicles. They're not losers with no talent, like Ford and Toyota who need to jack tech from other companies to remain relevant. So, in that regard, they're different.

>>16385402
Idiot. A car company is in business to build cars, not just sell them. When selling becomes more important than engineering the product you're selling, then you know you're a shit company that needs to burn in hell.

>>16385163
I thought nissan just bought a huge chunk of mitsu?

>>16385413
Nissan is fucked. As long as renaiult and that jew faggot ghostn are still involved nissan is going to be shit. RIP Datsun era nissan

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>>16385386
If I understand the VW brand tree, Skoda slots under VW. There aren't really any cheap AWD cars in the US like the Yeti and Octavia. The Superb Combi is kind of a neat alternative to a generic crossover

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>>16385249
From texas

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>>16385408
The Miura was innovative and the Countach at least redefined supercar styling.

>>16385428
I totally agree that, and now they're going to totally fuck mitsubishi as well, its only partly fucked atm..

>>16385405
>liking loud engines
>not liking WHOOSH sounds

>>16385410
Chrysler shill confirmed, too bad VW won't bail you out. You fucked up the Routan.

>>16385460
Why would VW bail out Chrysler they're in enough financial trouble as it is.

>>16385410
>A car company is in business to build cars, not just sell them

Yea companies worry about building as many cars as possible, not actually selling them

>>16385460
>not liking delicious naturally aspirated throttle response

>>16385454
The Countach may have redefined supercar styling, but it was still only a loud engine in a brightly colored wedge. Did that thing ever win a race?

>>16385410
Can't argue with that. Regarding (mostly comfort) features and such that they come up with by themselves, they are on top of their game.
But in this case it doesn't translate well into things like driving pleasure and uniqueness.

>>16385477
>wanting instant throttle response

when will this meme die, I want my car to make sure I meant to step on the throttle before responding

>>16385214

kek you sound like you have an inferiority complex.

>>16385314
Lol nah Im just really impressed with their interiors. Before he got the MKX we went around a carmax to just sit in cars and the only one we both were really impressed with was an ugly ass MKT.

>>16385485
>muh safety net
shit driver detected

>>16385482
Doesn't matter, the Aventador is not even desirable now that the big 3 halo supercars are out and about.

>>16385477
>not realizing that engineers have come up with solutions to turbo lag, such as belt driven turbos or regenerative pressurized air storage for instant spool.

>>16385328

Leave him alone. Only a mongoloid could possibly think biannual vehicular inspections are a bad thing.

>>16385498
>Im just really impressed with their interiors
You shills don't realise that normal people don't talk like this about struggling has-been brands that barely anyone remembers right now.

Check out that interior: obvious Ford looked at other higher-end cars and saw 'cool luxury car stitching craftsmanship'

So their answer is to jam mad stiches in really obvious places (like the airbag cover on the steering wheel? lol). This is Ford's style attempt, copy everyone else but ruin the idea by overcooking it.

>>16385502
>not changing your mind

>>16385512
>allowing the government to inspect your things for "your own good"

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>>16385665
No, I'm allowing the government to inspect other peoples' things for my own good because I don't trust women and inbred retards with maintaining a car. Having my own car inspected as well is a price well worth paying.

This is not only a moderately important, but actually a vital factor of many for making the Autobahn Germany's safest road network instead of it being an anarchy zone or cucked with general speed limits.

>>16385214
t. butthurt honda fit driver

>>16385685

How many wrecks are actually caused by bad equipment versus caused by the person behind the wheel being moron?

Seem like a shakedown.

>>16385505
>belt driven turbo

That would make it a centrifugal supercharger. What cars come with centi blower from the factory?

>>16385771
I don't know how many, but the risk increases exponentially with speed. Bad brakes at 120 kph, chance of saving it somehow. Bad brakes at 220 kph, chaos ensues.

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>>16385665
>>16385685

>>16385187
>Lincoln is still in business and makes new cars every year
shit my bad, thought that was an old Oldsmobile logo. My humblest of apologies.

>>16385283
Does that "belt" need changing after a certain period or mileage?
Ive got both yes and no answers but no car manual to refer to.

>>16385685
>No, I'm allowing the government to inspect other peoples' things for my own good because I don't trust women and inbred retards with maintaining a car. Having my own car inspected as well is a price well worth paying.

kek, wait until the government checks your mandatory GPS unit to see if you were speeding every 6 months for your own good and for other people's safety

>>16385956
>Oldsmobile

only old people buy Lincolns anyway xD

>>16386836
Just don't drive quickly or put many miles on it and it's perfect

>>16386926
I'd rather have Olds around than Lincoln.

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>>16386938
>badge-engineeringmobile

>>16385219
>>16385239
DELET

>>16385385
>toyotas brand new V6s

yea.. the GR series engine is SOOOO new from 2002

>>16385234
GT350 > anything you'll ever own

>>16386994
>>16387013
>sameshill

>>16386994
So when is the Toyota Valve Spring Recall from and what engine series' are they for then?

>>16385435
Look at the Passat, and then look at the Superb.
For the love of god, I won't understand why somebody would choose the former over the later. Superb is superior in every aspect.
It also no longer is considered just large family car. It is an executive car.

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>>16385392
>>no turbos
>>no KERS-like or hybrid tec

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>>16386959
>Saab

>>16387067
That's why General Motors shall burn in hell. They stole all the patents, created that abomination, and then brutally murdered the brand just when it came up with the precious 9-5.

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>>16387100
Those god damned jews

>>16387031
yea Lambo is nothing these days, everyone else is leaving them for dead

>>16387100
Wasn't the 9-5 just an Opel anyway?

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The GT has already hit the streets

gm eternally btfo

https://youtu.be/FQopawPlBhw

>>16386923
Grandfathering. It's never happened and you can't demand new equipment on old cars.

>>16388272
If the UK already has mandatory checks every 6 months, what makes you think they can't eventually require a cheap GPS tracker that records your speeds?

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>>16386934
>drive quickly or put many miles

>>16388280
Because it's not original equipment and aftermarket equipment has never been demanded in over 70 years of post-war vehicular legislation. They can only demand new equipment in new cars, easy as that.

>>16386923

wew its all or nothing with you people

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Why is Fiat still pretending at this point.

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>>16388982
I liked the Thesis visually. Shame it's such a pile of crap.

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>>16385314
I'm sorry this cars interior is garbage compared to your huayra

>>16388264
I fucking hate GM so much
>kill Saturn just when it became a platform for importing decent, not-too-detuned Opels
>kill Pontiac just when it had begun to offer high-displacement, rwd GTs and muscle cars
>takes Cadillac, a badge known for floating suspensions, anemic V8s, and a buyer-base comprised of niggers and old people and attempt to make it a BMW clone with Corvette engines
>take Buick, a brand with examples of awesome sports cars and turn it into a pathetic entry-level, FWD dominant luxury brand
>kill SAAB just to retain the patents
>steals all of it's chassis' and engines in the compact to midsize car segments from Korean and European sub-brands

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>>16389026
>Buick, a brand with examples of awesome sports cars

>>16389040
G N X
N
X

>>16389044
I wouldn't call it a sports car. It's a muscle car through and through, only with a turbo V6 instead of a freebreathing V8.

>>16389040
Gran Sport and GSX, Grand National and GNX, Buick also has a long history racing in the Indy 500 and Trans-Am series.

Cadillac racing prior to the last 2 decades? None.

>>16385141
My 03 vitara is a bretty gud shitbox though.

>>16389063
Once again:
>Gran Sport and GSX
Quite clearly muscle cars.
>Grand National and GNX
Muscle cars with a turbo V6.
>a long history racing in the Indy 500
The race track known for the gentlest corners in the world.

>>16389081
Fine, replace sports car with muscle car and my point remains. That and FUCK Cadillac's hideous styling.

>>16385789
You could just have the belt portion on a clutch that disengages at a certain rpm.

>>16385082
Idk.. GMC does an alright job keeping GM's shitboat afloat since they still sell decently well. Buick on the other hand... well that's a different story.

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They currently only make one car, and it's just a re-badged Fiat 500.

plz bring back pontiac

>>16389826
New Fulvia when? I wish group b was still around (and WRC wasn't shit) so manufacturers like Lancia and Subaru would like competing in rally again.

>>16389803
I thought Buick was GMs most treasured brand bc China and Quality Surveys..... what you talk

>>16385219
Closer to what VW was meant to be than VW themselves.

>>16388935
>aftermarket equipment has never been demanded in over 70 years

it's the current year m8, Big Brother only gets bigger

>>16389063
>Gran Sport and GSX, Grand National and GNX

>lists the same car 4 times
>sports cars

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>>16389966
>Big Brother only gets bigger

>>16385234
I disagree. toyota still makes reliable cars, and although the GT86 is mostly subaru design, it makes me happy to know that someone's still making a light, cheap RWD sports car in a world full of boring econoboxes

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>>16389465
it doesnt

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>>16390056
>Scion is a discontinued marque of Toyota that started in 2003. It was designed as an extension of its efforts to appeal towards younger customers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scion_(automobile)

>>16386934
So you must do a transmission teardown every once in a while with a cvt?

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>>16389826
Honestly, a proper lancia 500 would be kick ass. Something like a renault 5 Turbo 2. Mid engine, loud, dangerous, and italian.Or something more like the Delta Integrale HF, an AWD rally monster with a turbo 4. It would be great.

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Still waiting for Isuzus big North America comeback.... ;-;

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>>16391016
never5get

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>>16391051

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>>16385082
GMC was on the chopping block during the GM-downsizing, but the brand showed considerable profit margins which is why it stayed. Personally, I think it should've gotten the axe considering how redundant it was. Buying a GMC is like say8ing "I wanted a Chevy, but I wanted to pay more money for it."

>>16390063
how do you do fellow millennials XDDDD

>>16391080
Is it wrong tho?

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>>16391078

>>16391051
>>16391060
"Isuzu: Go Farther"
Did Ford literally poach Isuzu's 90s ad campaigned?

>>16391154
Not at all, the only decent original ride from them was the tC.

>>16391627
ford has no original ideas confirmed
http://www.automotive.com/news/ford-channels-isuzu-for-new-corporate-axiom-go-further-76319/

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>>16391696
Not gonna lie these ads have a funny charm to them

>>16385227
>>16385234
agreed with everything in this thread, up until about this point. Low quality bait.

>>16391672
The tC wasn't decent though. It was a Corolla pared down to being a coupe, except with worse quality materials and worse build quality.
I think they even kept old engines around as well, I can't remember.
Those cars were never good.

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i have not seen a jaguar in fucking years. I will admit they have the coolest hood ornaments though.

>>16391672
>decent original ride from them was the tC.
It's a POS. People hated how it looked like it drove better than it actually did, and it didn't even look that good.

>>16391748
>Toyota: Legendary vehicles known as the bad guy vehicle of choice in shitnigger 3rd world wars
>Mercedes-Benz: Even more legendary vehicles known as the choice of the Good Guys in every world war

>>16391743
>Go to work
>Literally 10 new Jags in the car park

where do you live

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hasn't made anything good
can't make anything good now
won't make anything good ever
other brands do everything better

>>16391857
rudn rudn rudn rudn rudn
oh papa run

>>16391748
Neck yourself my man.
MB is the best

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I find it quite funny that these two >>16391748 >>16391857 have been mentioned, but no one's said Audi yet. I'd have thought out of the German ""premium"" big 3, literal rebadged VWs would be the most redundant.

>>16391886
no
audis are epic but bmws suck because theyre just ego infiltrators

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>>16391900
>>16391886

>>16391909
nice photoshop faggot

>>16391886
Audi is trash.
You are right anon.

>>16391922
>i like le supreme gentleman cars

>>16391926
Better than
>VW parts
>VW chassis
>VW engines
>FWD or FWD-based """"AWD""""
>a bit more leather and metal in the interior
>a massive price hike
>four rings on the front
Because that's all Audis are.

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>>16390779

No you just throw the car out, anything with a CVT isn't worth repairing.

>>16391934
grasping at straws: the post

>>16391943
>stating facts is grasping at straws
No, Anon, the only one grasping here is you.

>>16391945
AMAZING webm the chink faggot spraying the other dude with gas is the only one that blew up. That is truly pottery.

>>16391958
lol whatever
sucks that BMWs are slow and expensive

>>16391972
k this trolling is getting stupid now

>>16385113
>>16385163
I actually like Mitsubishis, I have driven a few as rentals and they were all amazing on fuel mileage...I think they are a great brand for poorfags who want an affordable econobox with decent features

>>16391976
add something substantial

>>16391977
t. Mitsubishi representative

>>16391997
They can't afford to pay shills

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>>16385147
>already dead dumbass

>>16388260
Insignia was literally rebadged SAAB 9-5.

>>16391980
Not that guy, but good job calling the kettle black.

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It's just a Nissan, which is really just a Japanese Buick.

>>16385392
>Zero innovation, just loud engines in bright colored cars

Because every other brand in the VAG catalogue does everything else already. There's no way they'd get permission to poach customers from their Germanic overlords. Lamborghini was a dinosaur ten years after it's birth, it's amazing it's survived up until this point. They have a niche selling dumb shit to footballers and celebrities, and they somehow turn a profit while doing it. Good on them.

>>16385082
Every GM that isn't Chevrolet or Cadillac.
Every VAG that isn't Volkswagen, Lamborghini or Audi
Kia or Hyundai. Pick fucking one.

>>16392999
skodas are better at being what volkswagens are supposed to be than volkswagens

>>16392317
No it's the other way around

>>16392422
>Lamborghini was a dinosaur ten years after it's birth, it's amazing it's survived up until this point

That's not true, their cars looked like nothing else on the road and everyone wanted one if they were a disappointment. Now an Audi R8 looks better inside and out than a Huracan and you'll eventually get the same fucking engine and it costs.

>>16392347
Why? They make SUVs that people actually want

>>16393804
>actually want

actually want to sell immediately because of how unreliably garbage they are.

>>16395143
Wealthy people don't care that much. Which is why the Range Rover and Evoque are literally everywhere.

>>16392345
Up until 5 years ago, Infiniti was relevant. It seems like Nissan in general has been stagnant for a while outside their commuter cars.

>>16389826
Here in italy only two kind of people buy modern lancias: homogays and pretty ladies. Fiats are build horribly now imagine a lancia which is a subfiat designed by fashion bloggers with a dragon dildo up in their ass.

>>16396027
>what is the GTR?

>>16396394
GTR hasn't improved in years. In 2007, it was a world beating car, but 10 years is a long time.

>>16392999
Skoda is actually older than Volkswagen. And it's selling like hot cakes. Million cars a year is nice feature, when VW itself is going down in flames.

It's SEAT, that just got second and third chance, before finally starting showing some signs of life.

>>16398025
>SEAT
that's probably the most useless and irrelevant VAG brand. Really, they only need it to save the only successful Spanish company

>>16399815
Not to mention that their latest cars besides the Ibiza and Leon literally are rebadged Skoda.

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>>16385113
Fuck you. My dad always drove a Mitsubishi Space Wagon and it was amazing. I survived a head-on rear-end combo collision because I was sitting in the middle row.

>>16385219
Remember the autotragic Skoda that couldn't stop accelerating?

>>16401933
>sits as far away as possible from any crash action happening
>survives
>"Mitsubishi saved my life!"

yeah you would have survived in any minivan