new Ducati monster, yey or ney for first bike?

It's fine as long as you can afford the Italian bike service tax.

What about a Grom as a first bike

Buy it OP, crash it a week later and rid the world of that shit

>>16379189
Grom is not a good first bike

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>>16379198
Fuck you, grom is cute! CUTE!

>>16379205
It's cute, but it's still not a good first bike. A cbr250 is a better option.

>>16379210
>>16379198
>>16379193
>>16379189
so, you're suggesting I should buy a smaller one?

>>16379249
You should buy a lightly used, one or two cylinder motorcycle with anywhere from 250 to 650cc of displacement that is not from Italy. If you enjoy burning money, then just buy a new sv650

>>16379257
no, I want to buy a new one. up to $10k

>>16379173
>Buying a bike you need to send to Italy once a year for it's service

>>16379260
Why do you want to buy new?

>>16379268
Wait, that's real?

>>16379270
why not? isn't it better?

>>16379268
wait wahat?

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>>16379281
>>16379283
Ducati special snowflake valves need adjusted every 10K miles and you can't do it without specialist tools

>>16379288
So that means there isn't any shops that do it in the US?

>>16379291
There probably is, but there also probably isn't one near you

>>16379184
This is NOT a joke, OP.

Otherwise, it's really good.

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>>16379249
We're suggesting you buy an used bike.

It is very likely you will drop and/or make stupid mistakes with your first bike, which will cost you a lot of resale value. Even more so if it's brand new. Besides, what if you discover motorbikes aren't for you? As soon as you take stuff out of the showroom you just lost money.

Ducatis are known for reliability issues.

But if you're swimming in money as you appear to be, why bother? Do whatever you want.

>>16379283
Depends, I would prefer to buy a japanese bike 1-3 year old with 2-10K miles. That way if there was a ground connection that could work loose(happened to my dr650), it already would happen, get noticed and be fixed.
On the other hand, if the bike was just started at the lot and ridden for 10K miles with NO service other than gasoline refills, no serious abuse would happen either.

>>16379283
>Why not
Your going to crash your first bike. Everyone does. The only thing is that if you crash that brand new bike and scratch up the frame and pegs and fairings, you've just killed about half your resale value.

Further more, the bike is going to depreciate by about 25% there moment you ride off the lot, moreso if you crash in the first 100 feet.

Finally, you don't need the latest greatest anything, you can't tell the difference yet. If you buy used, learn how to ride for a little bit, you can get experience so you don't crash your next new bike and you can sell it for what you bought it for.

>>16379315
>>16379307
>>16379314

ok, thanks

>>16379315
No, he is not going to crash his bike.
Only losers do, really.

>>16379326
Everyone drops their first bike. And if you don't, power to you, but the odds are not good

>>16379347
No, not everyone.
As a compromise, I would agree to "everyone of r/moto".

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Get a honster

>>16379173
I would buy used for your first bike

>>16379299
I have a Ducati Monster 696. The service tax is very real, however its going to break the bank. You will, however, have to shell out hundreds more per service and more importantly, most motorcycle shops that seemingly work on all makes and models will refuse to touch your Ducati, which means you should plan ahead for simple services.

>>16379564
*not* going to break the bank

>>16379564
how much?

>>16379564
Yep, a 696 is a decent first bike if you don't want the usual Ninja/CBR 250/300 or SV650 recommendation. It's just more expensive to buy and fix. If you have some motorcycle experience I'd also recommend a KTM 690 Duke (light and torquey) or a Aprilia Shiver/Dorsoduro (top heavy and powerful)

>>16379173

You should be shot on sight for even considering a Monster.

You heretic.

>>16379281

No it's not real.

The interval depends on the engine and bike, most newer desmodromic system don't even have issues.

The ones with dry clutches though will be the primma donnas.

Buying a Ducati is like having a Ferrari. A detail most knuckleheads forget and thats why you see many molested and beated up to shit.

>>16379288
>Ducati special snowflake valves need adjusted every 10K miles
On new bikes the valve check is at least 15k miles and up to 30k on certain models. Also they only need to be checked during their intervals. Most of the time they don't need to be adjusted.

>you can't do it without specialist tools
Yes, you can. Stop spouting this fuddlore.

>>16379173
>new Ducati monster
>pic of old Monster

Which is it?

It's only money, and if OP were a mechanic he wouldn't be asking what to buy as he'd have properly researched it on real Ducati forums.

This is not a Ducati forum.

Find a dealer and buy the thing. There is absolutely a place in the riding ecosystem for people who can afford to operate machinery they don't care to personally work on. Those of us who wrench have a passion for that.

Visit real Ducati forums for info on dealers, best customer service and locations to see if something you are purely buying for style makes more styling sense than other options.

>primma donnas.

Which translates from both Guidobike and Britbike as "indifferently engineered grenade because reliability would have required not bitterly resenting robust engineering". See also "thoroughbred" or "brand character". Similar terms include "high maintenance" for sloots.

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>morons getting brand new bikes as their first
>financing 12-20 thousand dollars that IMMEDIATELY loses half their value when taken off the lot and another half when dropped (all newbies drop their bikes)
>not going on craigslist and picking up one of the 100,000 bikes for less than a couple grand to get a feel for bikes

There is no convincing a raging true believer.