WRX/STIs, what went wrong?

>>16370068
Nothing, that's why it is still being built.

its a riced Corolla

>>16370090
>its a riced Corolla
The corolla is aleady full on raced.

Real question is STI engine in a BRZ when?

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>>16370100
>continuing the EJ engine
I'm waiting for an FA STI.

>>16370100
STI tuned FA20 please

>>16370100
Never. It would interfere with STI sales.

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>>16370128
it wouldnt
acting like Subaru is the one who's keeping the gt86 cucked is silly

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>>16370068
>eveything
no wagon in burgerland anymore

>>16370128
So?

>>16370068
Subaru stopped giving a shit because the car sells itself to vape meisters and monster energy enthusiasts without them even trying.

>>16370240
Is that with the seats dropped? I can fit in so much with mine.

>>16370120

It's not as strong as the EJ series, just search for FA20 failure.

>>16370068
As a previous owner of an 04 and then 08 STi.

They never increase power or torque, when the STi came state side it was amazing because that power for that money.

Look at a V6 mustang now, sure it lacks a bunch of the cool features and AWD of the Subaru line but for bang-for-buck its hard to beat a V6 stang, or Turbo Stang etc.

They stopped being competitive, and also design went more "Main stream" Instead of continuing down boyracer avenue.

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>>16370313
>searches FA20 failure
one specific thread about a specific instance of rod knock
>searches EJ20 failure
"HOW CAN WE KEEP OUR EJ20S FROM FAILING"
"STI WON'T START, SHOULD I JUST BUY A NEW MOTOR?"
"WHEN WILL SUBARU PRODUCE A DIRECT-INJECTION STI???"

>>16370068
Subaru is the Apple of cars. They make an okay product and never really improve anything because their fanboy cult will buy anything they make.

They didn't really improve the engine. It would not be that bad if it stayed light. Also the sti cost the price of a pony with a v8.

>>16370373
You're confusing them with tesla

>>16370068
really hate the old ones, but the new ones are super nice...

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>>16370068
Cvt. Diesel.
Hatchback

>>16370068
They never sold a coupe in America.

>>16370068
>heavier, slower, more expensive every year

it wasn't a sudden change. they continued to trade performance and value for luxury and refinement

the sti was a shining start in performance/$, and today it just isnt

>>16370068
tried to copy evo's styling and failed

>>16370068
They keep getting heavier but only marginally more powerful, the 2.5 is weaker than the old 2.0s, they're becoming more like the evo and less old school fun

>>16372151
>Tripfag
Yeah your off your rocker, cunt.

>>16370240
Because wagons are for fucking bums who syphon daddy's income for hur dur car parts because they can go faster, but they are still in a fucking wagon.

>>16370068

literally everything

The base car is ugly modern trash

They decided to literally copy the EVO X

>>16374903
Thats a lot of projecting going on. Did someone at highschool get an wrx wagon?

>>16374903
wagons are for retarded jalopnik "car journalists"

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The engine is in the wrong model.

what is considered the best model, power and money wise?

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>>16375347

The GC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crKCJiOFF-k

>>16375347
The P1 in the UK if you can stretch to it, more expensive than the JDM models, but appreciating now

the several years they were awful hatchbacks. thank god that's over with

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>>16375520
>it's an "Americans think sedan equals style and prestige" episode

>>16370243
so thats literally the reason it has a shit engine

subaru confirmed it

>>16376038
Really? So what's holding the toyota/scion version back?

>>16370313

you got them mixed up somehow

>>16370296
yep seats down and push as far in as it will go
>>16374903
meh i bought that on my own with my own money.

>>16370068
I don't know if anything has gone wrong. I can't figure out who the fuck is buying these fucking cars but it looks like it's selling very well considering they're still making them. The car is an overpriced meme.

Cool, it has AWD

Cool, it has a boxer engine that is impossible to work on but at least its unique

Cool, they can be modded (so can anything else)

But the rest of the car is average. The geometry is complete shit and not designed with performance in mind. Weight distribution is shit. Looks like a fucking corolla or civic with a wing on the back and some meme hood ornament.

It's not a bad car. It's just overpriced, imo, by at least $10k

The latest gen sti/wrx has one of the stiffest chassis on the market today

The GC8 STI was insane, much smaller and lighter than modern models, with an objectively better engine than the 2.5cuck

The last actual improvement was the GDB with the ej207 v7, one of the best motors ever made. It's been downhill from there

>>16374903
I don't understand why burgerclaps hate wagons so much. Then go around and nut their shorts over crossovers.

Dumb fucking morons

>>16374789
motherfucker they literally copied the evo x so suck my hair dick

>>16376536
fuck off bitch nigger juden mitsushitty is btfo in usa so your argument is invalid.

Sounds like allot of kids here can't afford one

My 2016 WRX is fueled by your salty tears. Please, keep it coming.

>>16376203
>i dont understand why people have different views and opinions than me... they must be stupid!

Is it really that unfathomable that different geographically regions are going to have difference in preference?

>>16378134
Well their preference is objectively stupid

Crossovers are nothing more than lifted wagons. There is no point in doing a lift to a wagon.

>>16376148
The bonnet scoop is functional though, it doesn't have fake vents like the Mustang

>>16378153
>their preference is objectively stupid
>you FEEL that their preference is objectively stupid

I dont think you really understand the meaning of that word
Can you see how silly you are being?

>>16378153
You're objectively stupid.

>>16378198
it does have fake vents in the plastic housing near the fogs

>>16370068
The new 2017 WRX?

Fucking nothing its an amazing car for the price. 25k for an AWD, turbocharged 4 door with the ability to tune it beyond 300hp

>>16370068
>what went wrong?

Mitsubishi got bored, went home, and left Subaru to play by himself.

The only competition Subaru has now comes from companies not interested in making sedans that outperform their flagship cars.

>>16379495
I seriously wish Honda or Acura or Nissan would just make an AWD manual sporty sedan to compete with subaru

Jesus christ every maker has stopped making sporty cars

>civic Si is fucking neutered
>nissan hasn't made any sporty things in forever
>mitsubishi doesn't make lancers, galants or anything anymore
>acura just follows honda shit, doesn't make anything remotely sporty for under 30k

jesus christ end it now

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what's a good price for a used 2006/2007 WRX/STI ?
Most of them go for 22000 bucks at my local places

I've found a base model impreza for 5000, which i'll probably get due to being a poorfag
pic related

>>16379586
An '06 sti shouldn't be $22,000. What the fuck is wrong with vapefags?

An engine that's over decade old in the STI's case.

>>16379586
A fully loaded '06 sti should be $15k at the very most, and that's if it is in perfect condition. Base WRX of the same year probably $8k or $9K.

Don't buy used cars from dealerships unless you like getting assfucked.

>>16379850
>>16379625
>A fully loaded '06 sti should be $15k at the very most
Maybe 4 years ago but the gen 2 STIs are hitting borderline collectible status. A clean example with lowish mileage will easily sell for 20k+ and that price is only going to go up as fewer and fewer stay in decent shape. If you wanted a cheap one in good shape you missed the boat. Just buy new if you're actually going to drive the car.

>>16379523
>Jesus christ every maker has stopped making sporty cars


Why should they make them anymore? Vast majority of the market doesn't give a single flying fuck about driving, they only care about buying jelly bean shaped crossovers with egg-beater CVT transmissions. Car makers are just going where the money is, and dropping anything that doesn't directly make profits. Car makers don't even have to maintain an image of performance or racing pedigree, because again, vast majority of the buying public don't know and don't care.

>>16370068
>same EJ257 from 13 years ago
>car now weighs 200lbs more and looks like a base model Civic with a with an autozone wing
I will still never drive anything else

>>16370373
>>16372141
Nah if you entered either car brand you'd be right

I bought a base 2017 wrx because it's fun to drive with awd, adequate space and mpgs, pretty quick, and pretty cheap.

>>16380189
there are plenty of examples of over priced STis on NASIOC that have been for sale for waaaay too long because the moron owner thinks it is worth $5k too much.

>>16370345
It's all about the EJ22t/EJ20G/257s mate

>>16382069
EJ207 master race, nothing else comes close

>>16381822
>adequate mpgs
The computer in mine SAYS it's averaging 23mpg, but when I manually calculated it using trip odometer and gallons filled I'm actually getting 18.5mpg

>>16383074
Interesting, i'll have to pay attention. Thanks for mentioning it.

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>>16376184
>EJ207
I wish I could find one of those here. I had to settle for the EJ20K.

>>16370068
Simply? They sold out.

They created a dull, boring AWD turbo camry so they could have mass appeal and sell more units. I absolutely love earlier subarus especially the 04-07 STIs.

And as other people have mentioned the STI has made the same power and the engine is essentially the same since 04 while adding weight to the car. The engine now is actually worse than the earlier ones considering all the ringland problems.

>>16383693
GC8 > Hawkeye > Blobeye > Bugeye

The fanbase. Literally all of the problems can be traced back in one way or another to the vapelord.

>>16380189
Vapefag detected

>Muh 06 Subaru is a collectors car hurrr

>>16383993
Everything desirable becomes collectible eventually, or maybe you're just the guy who sold a Supra in 1999.

>>16379523
>nissan hasn't made any sporty things in forever

>370Z
>Juke
>GT-R

>>16384231
>370Z
Looks like it's for numales

>>16370068
build quality

>>16384298
My dad bought a 370Z Nismo new, cannot remember what year. It's only numale if you drive it like a numale.

>>16384231
>juke

LOL thanks for the laugh, this ugly piece of shit isn't sporty at all. It's literally a small rogue

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>>16384231
>the nissan juke can be defined as sporty

>>16384298
It's not too expensive really, not too heavy, has decent power. Hopefully it'll be updated soon

>>16384343
It can, shitlord

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>>16384343
>>16384340
>>16384374

The Nissan Juke is literally faster and handles better than anything you anti-Nissan shills drive.

>>16384374
>>16384376
i am not an """"anti-nissan"""" shill

nissan has made some fantastic cars over the years, but the juke is certainly not one of them.

it's an ugly, shitbox, crossover which probably has the god-awful nissan CVT in it.

the only juke that can be defined as sporty is the juke r.

>>16384391
Take your shitty trip off, you think you're gonna be famous here or some shit? The only people who are remembered are furry shitposters and VIN checkers, who the fuck are you?

>>16384376
The maxima r is faster than that piece of shit

The sentra nismo is more of a sporty car than that

>>16370100
>>16370100
Garbage, boxers have no place in FR cars. FA20 would have literally been a way better choice, even a revised BEAMS would've been miles ahead

>>16384415
mate, i can't believe i've had to explain this twice already.

i've been here for a while, it's just that i have more free time now. i don't do it for fame, i do it because you stupid niggers think i samefag in gook threads.

anyways, just because nissan has made the juke r, doesn't mean the rest of the juke lineup is sporty whatsoever.

>>16384376
What an ugly turd

>>16384430
>boxers have no place in FR cars. FA20 would have literally been a way better choice

the FA is a flat engine...

>>16384436
You should probably take it off, because no one cares if you're samefagging or not, and you look like a tool

>>16384429
incorrect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_76vtd4RjC0

>>16384455
I fucked up I meant the F20C lol

>>16375082
YES

desu i enjoy their stuff, but their positive outlook on the faggots who strip their TDIs before the buyback kills it.
especially promoting that one ohio fag who even took out the seats, i hope he gets forced to put it back...

i hate people who do these kinda shit to "stick it to the corporations"

>>16384462
>says "incorrect"
>posts a video of a fucking showcase not a race between the maxima r and juke

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>>16384464
>Honda engine
>in a joint Subaru/Toyota project

>>16384489
I'm trying to say that Subaru shouldn't have been in it at all. They used a boxer to advertise a "lower center of gravity" and they ruined every other weight distribution they possibly could by putting that shitheap in an already shitty overpriced car

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>http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a32071/subaru-probably-wont-redesign-the-wrx-until-2020/
siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh

>>16384493
If Subaru hadn't been in it, the car wouldn't have existed.

>>16385064
Right, the BRZ wouldn't have existed. The FRS would have. What point are you trying to make you retard?

>>16384493
Uhhh
50/50 weight distribution counts as ruined?

>>16385112

Yes, if all the weight is at the extreme ends of the car.

Like, having the motor in front of the front axle and the gas tank under the trunk is generally a bad idea.

I don't race, but a local shop here builds the national/global rally cross cars for Subaru, and they apparently spent the better part of a season moving shit around just to get the car to rotate. They seem to be doing pretty well now though.

>>16385086
The car is solely manufactured by Subaru, even the Toyota and Scion versions. It's the same car across all iterations. If Toyota hadn't teamed up with Subaru, none of them would have been made.

And suggesting that it should have had an F20 is even more idiotic. That would imply that not only would Honda and Toyota team up to make a car (which isn't ever going to happen), but Honda would also make the decision to use an engine that has been out of production for 12 years for the project.

Long story short, you're stupid.

>>16385112
The FRS doesn't have 50/50 weight distribution.

Even if it did, that weight is spilling over not only the front axle, but into the sides of the fenders, and that's awful for handling.

>>16385164
I wasn't really suggesting they team up, I was just saying the engine would have been a better choice. It makes more horsepower and has better packaging, and it gets better MPGs too. There's no excuse for not using a BEAMS engine with some different packaging, or making a new VVTI 4 banger.

Face it. Boxers are stupid as fuck for FR cars. They're even a bad decision for Subaru. They have lifespans that rotaries do but they end in catastrophic crankshaft failure or piston ring wear, but without the ease of rebuilding. If you're going to build a boxer and not overbuild it like Porsche, don't fucking build a boxer engine, especially when it hurts the handling of a car

>>16385160
Rally cars and street cars require very different handling characteristics. For a rally car, the ability to make it go sideways easily is a plus, this is aided by moving the mass concentration towards the center of the car. For a street car, it is more desirable to be difficult to make it go sideways, and having the mass concentrated farther from the center of the car helps with this.

>>16385198
>I was just saying the engine would have been a better choice
Why do you keep saying it though? It's not like it was ever even a slight possibility. It's like saying that the new mustang should have had an LS1 in it. Hypothetical alternate pasts that would never have happened are pointless to mention.

>>16373245
not turbo'd at least

>>16385256
There's never been a non-turbo WRX.

>>16385246
Okay, that's a valid point. They still have no excuse for not using their own engines.

I can't believe how they tricked people into thinking the boxer's "lower center of gravity" was a selling point. It's a bit lower but it's much, much wider. I marvel at how retarded that decision was

>>16385277
The Toyota 86 uses a Subaru engine because the car is manufactured by Subaru.

>>16385293
It shouldn't be. End of discussion.

>>16385268
gc8 coupe was cucked in the US

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>>16385277
but what if I like my shitty engine

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>>16385384
You know what, I'm not hating you guys for choosing the car. I'm mad at Toyota for fucking up so badly. I'm glad you all enjoy your cars... I just wish they did a little better when designing them, for your sakes.

>>16385342
The only other option is that the car doesn't exist, which benefits no one.

>>16385426
The other option is Toyota making the car themselves or partnering with another company. Imagine if they had partnered with BMW a bit earlier, for example. You'd have your FRS with a proper 4 cylinder. Basically a light 320i.

>>16385439
It would have been a different car. It wouldn't have just been the current 86 with a Toyota engine in it.

>>16385455
So you're admitting it would have been a better car. Ok, not sure if your dad ever taught you how to argue, but you're supposed to feed me conflicting evidence, not supporting.

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>>16379523
>tfw Mitsubishi is going the way of Suzuki and Isuzu in the US

>>16384430
>>16384464
>>16384493
>>16385086
>>16385198
>>16385342
>should have
>what if
>what if
>should have
>should have
>what if

That's all irrelevant. The car is what it is because of those who were involved in developing it. They didn't make the car you wanted. Get over it.

>>16385481
>So you're admitting it would have been a better car
I said no such thing, I said it would have been a different car. Whether it would have been better or been worse, I have no idea. And it's impossible to know because it's a completely hypothetical situation that nobody knows the outcome of.

>>16385481
>evidence
There is no evidence of anything, you're proposing a situation that never happened.

>>16385545
...Right. Are you special?

I was saying it would be a better car with a better engine. That's difficult to deny. Would it have been a different car? Err, technically yes, but that is such a moot point that it's not even funny. If I had elected to change the headlights, it would have also been a "different car". You can't just give me irrefutable facts, you know. They have to mean something.

>>16385556
Yes, a hypothetical situation of a hypothetical, better car, because I'm explicitly arguing that the engine in it is a problem. Nevermind the suspension and the glass transmission. I'm arguing that the engine configuration was wrong for an FR car. Whether changing that makes it not a GT86 is irrelevant. The end car could be the same with that one small change and it would have been better.

>>16385613
You're really underestimating the amount of influence Subaru had on the development of the car. If Toyota had worked with a different manufacture, it could have ended up as a wildly different car. How different? Nobody knows. For example your theoretical union of Toyota and BMW may be great in your eyes, assuming that they end up producing the car that you're envisioning it would be. However it could also very well could end up as a heavy pig, or be cucked by over-intrusive control systems, or have been a hybrid, or have had a fucking turbocharged inline-3, or had 4 doors. If Toyota had partnered with any other manufacturer, there's literally no way of knowing what they would have come up with in the end.

The simple fact is you wanted one car, and they made something other than what you wanted. I mean, when the last gen Prelude came out, I really wished that they had put a V6 in it, but they didn't. Oh well, life moves on. You either take what they made and modify it to be what you wanted it to be, or you find another car. Complaining that it's not what you wanted it to be is pointless accomplishes nothing.

>>16385613
>the glass transmission
The transmissions are made by Toyota ;)

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>>16385613
>but I wanted it to have a toyota engine in it!

So buy one, and put a Toyota engine in it you goddamn baby.

There are so many cars in the world that people say "I wish it had a different engine" about. This is no exception. If you want a specific car with a different engine in it, do an engine swap. People do that shit every day. Crying about it on an internet forum isn't going to solve your problem.

>>16385677
>could have had 4 doors
I think you're underestimating how dominant Toyota was in deciding to make this car.

It's a car styled after the Toyota GT2000, and a spiritual successor to the AE86. It is 90% Toyota badged and Subaru ONLY made the engine. Toyota wanted to make a lightweight, RWD, relatively cheap coupe. If Toyota wanted to partner with BMW, I'm sure they would only use BMW's engines. The new Supra is clearly styled by Toyota.

I would have loved a turbo 3 cylinder for the FRS. It could have proper weight distribution in that case. To say that the car could have only happened with Subie's "help" is a moot point.

The prelude was a smart choice. They used a lighter and smaller engine than a V6 but it made the power of one. The FRS uses a high compression H4 that can't accept proper boost, and spills its weight in all the wrong places. Not only that, but it outputs less power than a 20 year old Toyota I4 of the same fucking displacement. If they wanted an NA motor with high compression, they should have used or made a new blacktop BEAMS. Ideally, they should have made the engine 2.2 liters with 8:1 or 9:1 compression so owners could have slapped on a turbo if they wanted.

The boxer engine was a mistake for the car. Face it. I have no idea why they thought it was a good idea.

>>16385736
No way I would buy it lol, it has garbage suspension and a weak transmission, and it's a bit too heavy for me. I never said I wanted to buy one. I'm just surprised at how badly Toyota fucked it up. Such a corny car.

It's also overpriced, and that makes it even worse if you want to buy it and engine swap it. If anyone's crying it's you. All I'm hearing is "I regret financing this slow piece of shit car so I'm going to make nonsensical arguments"

>>16385704
Whoopdy-fucking-dee, they could have made them stronger quite easily. If they wanted to keep the car at its stock power level, it needs to be cheaper.

>>16385384
It's less stupid in the WRX since it gives you AWD with a longitudinally mounted engine without giving you a huge mass that's both really far forward and relatively high but there's really no need for it in the BRZ/FRS since it doesn't need the transmission to be so far forward of the front axles.

>>16385767
I don't even own one, I'm just having a ball watching you complain about a car you don't own.

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>>16385795
I'm glad that you were able to collect enough snark points to lazily stack that copout answer together, but it doesn't make you look as cool as you think it does. I'll argue for the sake of arguing if I fucking want and if you're too much of a sissy to stick to your guns then that's your choice. For the record, I have way more fun arguing than you do lying and giving up.

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>>16385198

>Boxer engines have the lifespans of rotaries
>All I can ever find for cheap subarus are 250k+ miles examples
>Reasonably priced ones still have 150k+ miles

Even a $5000 WRX wagon I saw at a Subaru dealer lot (reasonably priced btw considering the market) had 212k on it. Fuck me.

Engines are only like $1000ish though, so...

>>16385887
Don't be silly, most of those are replaced engines. Anything boosted is DEFINITELY replaced. Hell, my friend's 09 WRX just lunched itself at 95k km. That's pitiful.

>>16385915
Why dont you list what the fucknut did?

>>16370068
They haven't changed that much performance wise in like 20 years

>>16385865
I drive a WRX. That's why I'm in this thread, because that's what this thread is about. Never once did I say I drove an 86, I never even claimed that it was a good car.

I have no guns to stick to, because I'm not making an argument. I'm just telling you that what you're saying is pointless because it changes nothing. Do you think that if you say it enough, it will eventually change history and the car will become what you wanted it to be?

>>16385951
>>16385951
Nah son I'm just posting the flaws of the car and the engine.
>>16385924
Nothing. He did oil changes every 5000 km and always warmed it up fully before hitting boost. He had a stage 2 tune with some computer that I can't remember the name of. Suddenly his rod bearing decided to say fuck it, I can't handle the stress of being treated properly.

Again, if you're going to build a boxer engine, take a lesson from porsche. Overbuild the fucking thing, don't make it on a budget.

>>16385277
Also, all of the accessories are mounted higher up, offsetting the lower CG of the engine. Not to mention that the engine is only roughly 10-20% of a car's weight, so lowering that component's CG by just a couple inches has only a small effect to the overall handling. That being said, I like WRX's and STI's. I think they are cool and look nice. Sorry it's not a 80s or 90s shitbox for /o/ to jack off to.

>>16385972
He should've got on board with the Rotella T6 memes.

>>16385972
>changes ecu from stock map
>shortens lifespan of engine

Who ever would have guessed?

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>>16385972
My guess is he has a cobb acess port like most people who tune them get. But I would bet he ran a shelf map not a custom tune. When you mess with the ecu everyone knows that you are now running g outside of specs.

Mine is on a shelf map till I get some other parts that I will need a custom tune for. I fully know my shit could grenade but I di it anyway cause I want more power. Also it's been wrecked from a old.lady running a red so it ain't worth selling might as well have fun with it.

>>16385993
Spicy
>>16386006
Okay, but is 95,000 km excusable for a stock piston engine with a tune? No, it's not.

>>16386075
I think that's it. He was planning to add some better parts. Still, what the fuck did the tune do that could cause a fucking rod bearing to fail? The crankshaft in the WRX is weak as balls and flexes under use. That's not right.

>>16385972
>It was totally stock except for an unknown "stage 2" tune
>It definitely failed because Subaru engines are bad you guyz, seriously.

>>16376203
I prefer sedans.

>>16384865
why are the modern subi's so fuck ugly?

Why dont these cars come with like 400hp+ from the factory?

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYY

do subaru continue to use the same stale old engine that cant handle any boost without rebuilding the fucker?

WHY are their cars getting slower and heavier and not lighter and faster?

WHY do vapefaggots latch onto these cars?

Why did the evo stop being made?

>>16386190
>Still, what the fuck did the tune do that could cause a fucking rod
bearing to fail?
Lots of things actually, tuning a boosted engine is not to be taken lightly. Could have had lean spot causing detonation for example.

>The crankshaft in the WRX is weak as balls and flexes under use. That's not right.
Got a source for this, other than your ass?

>>16386190
>is 95,000 km excusable for a stock piston engine with a tune?
It is if he had the wrong tune.

>>16386192
It was a Cobb tune, I just wasn't sure of the name.

If an engine can't handle that without lunching itself, that's shit. What's more is that the part that failed is a rod bearing, if you read my post, and it's most likely from a flimsy crankshaft. That's inexcusable. That's cheaping out on engine components.

>>16386190
>what the fuck did the tune do that could cause a fucking rod bearing to fail?
Incorrect fuel mixture causing detonation while the piston is still on it's up stroke
Too much PSI
Incorrect timing
among other things

>>16386208
He ran 94 and it was running rich enough across the range. I don't remember his recordings for AFM but it was the preset Cobb tune if you want to look it up.

>>16386222
It was a preset tune. Either Cobb is that fucked, or the engine was poorly made.

Also, it happened in negative degree weather with 94 octane gas with no ethanol. Shit was under optimal conditions.

>>16386249
>>16386249
94 octane, below freezing, and it was running on the rich side. New coil packs and plugs, timing was set correctly.

>>16386229
>and it's most likely from a flimsy crankshaft

Oh wow are you an engineer of some kind? You sound like a 12 year old that plays too much Forza. Pretty much any boosted engine will lunch itself from a bad tune, or even a momentary hiccup from a spot of bad gas. The only thing separating bearing surfaces from touching each other is a thin film of oil. preignition or detonation can put tremendous stress on an engine, enough usually to push through that film of oil.

>>16386229
See
>>16386229
He ran it and never looked at his logs or check his shit just assuming the shelf map would work.

Cobb shelf maps are for putting your shit on and getting it to someone to make you a custom map for your setup.

Mine is a tad shy of 300whp on their map right now but if I don't re flash it to update to the new map. what you just described happens. The older Wrx did have more fragile engine insides than the sti version.

Sounds like negligence to me but there no real way to know.

The new ones are good up to 325whp before I think my connecting rods become a timebomb.

Why do Subaru owners think their car is worth tons of money?

>>16383723
Absolutely not.
GC8 > Bugeye > Hawkeye > Blobeye

>>16386928
muh AWD

TEH GRIP
50/50 BRO OMG
muh rally PEDIGREE DOOD

>>16384436
Nigger shut the fuck up and sit down. You're nobody.

>>16385736
>forum

>>16387843
What, do you not know what that word means?

>>16386323

>>325whp before...

Man I have heard so many numbers for this it's making me paranoid. 300whp, 325whp, 350whp...

>>16386323
91 octane base stage 1 OTS map is pretty safe.

>>16375087
pretty much this

>>16389585
yea but no one runs a stage 2 map on stock parts.
>>16389321
comes up to how much you trust the guy tuning it for you. I was told if I want more than 325 to the wheels we are gonna have to start messing with internals. He told me it will do it without changing anything but he is a skeptical of going more than that. I'm inclined to believe him because he doesn't wanna blow my shit up and I dont wanna blow my shit up.