GM not BTFO

yup

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>>16333375
Anon...

Anon no!

Do you know what you're starting?

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somethingsomething Z/28vsGT350R
somethingsomething Nordschleifecamarocrash
somethingsomething paid reviews
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somethingsomething lemans

there, that should cover the basics. Pic unrelated.

>>16333436
rip in piece Firstberg

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IT HUNGERS

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>"Lows: makes the good old days seem less awesome"

Fucking boomers

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gawd mashiiyns

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>While Ford engineers led the 10-speed engineering effort

>>16333456
>the city of germany

>>16333456
>please believe our fake lap times
>C7R
>oil leak
>overheating tweet
>paid lap times
>corvette vs gtr nismo willow springs.png

Did I miss anything?

>>16333375
Why would I get a camaro when BMW costs the same?

>>16333375
I wish it didn't look awkward from the side and rear quarter.

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>>16333467
>M4 GTS
>135k
>semi slicks, park bench wing, DCT, water injection, carbon fiber, no rear seats, alcantara apocalypse, splitter can't clear a speed bump or a curb
>1:37.66 on Laguna

>SS 1LE
>45k
>street tires, ducktail spoiler, a 6 speed manual, can be DD'd
>1:37.77

BMW offers a great value proposition!

>>16333463
Pic related

>>16333375

Why would anyone buy this over a Stingray Grand Sport?

>>16333489
It's amazing how fucking terrible the M4 GTS turned out. It's a massive disappointment in every measure.
It costs as much as a fucking 911 GT3 RS, more than an AMG GTS. More than a top-spec GT-R, much more than a Z07 package Corvette.
And yet it loses to just about all of them.

Autoblog also claimed the LT4 was better in the zl1 than the z06

gm is a fucking madman, the value and performance for this 60k camaro is simply bonkers

>now with 30% shorter windows

>>16333534
I noticed the camaro LT4 is a wet sump, compared to the dry sump LT4 in the corvette.

And tb h, GM probably saw the problems in the corvette and fixed them for the camaro.

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>"Plus, the manual’s taller gearing allows the ZL1 to hit 61 mph in first gear"

You can get a ticket in an urban enviroment, without ever leaving first gear.

>>16333624
>>61mph in 1st gear

Literal benchracing. They just did that for a better 0-60 time.

>>16333641
how is that bench racing? they achieved a better 0-60 through a good mean. shorter gearing would mean more shifts required and in a 650/650 rwd car that would prove absolutely brutal to achieve without extra accessories

It's like they expect everyone to ignore how immensely ugly it is

>>16333651
that's subjective though

>>16333651
i think it looks good

>>16333651
>>16333670
>>16333690
It's crazy how much of a difference the color makes. The ZL1 in Nightfall Grey with black wheels is one of the most aesthetically pleasing cars I've seen. Other colors, not so much.
>tfw the ZL1 that arrived at my dealership sold in literally 10 minutes
>it wasn't even Nightfall Grey
Pain bros. I want it.

>>16333732
Posts pics of color

I can see what you mean. The Ford GT looks like shit in black but stunning in white, for example

>>16333375
why does every new car have such disgustingly oversized grille designs

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>>16333742

>>16333789
Looks like every boy racers wet dream

>>16333798
you called?

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>>16333819
>>16333798

>american fat tissue cars
no thanks

>>16333651
I think it looks cool.

>>16333732
Ayy. A zl1 in the nightfall grey is my desktop background

>>16333489
What an ugly weld

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>inb4 ford releases the 800 hp gt500 on January 10th rendering the zl1 obsolete yet again
lmfao

dis gonna be gud

>>16334002
>Mustang with 800HP

The ultimate in crowd control

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>>16334008
>not realizing its going to be awd
lol

gm won't recover from this

Between the Gt500 and GT i'm going to have tons of content to torture gm fans

>>16334018
>Between the Gt500 and GT i'm going to have tons of content to torture gm fans

We'll see if ford can even get them to start first.

>>16333489
holy fuck I've only MIG welded maybe a dozen times total but I can produce better welds than that.

>>16334002
>>16334008
>>16334018
>>16334026
>>16334036
wow it actually took 37 posts for this shit to start

>>16334058
gm fags getting triggered

>>16333375
if only that lower grill was different it would be perfect

>>16334136
It has to be fuckhuge to not run into the same cooling problems they did with the Z06.

Id rather have a GTR

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>>16333375
>manual is only 6 gears

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is it faster than a civic now?

>>16334165
only? thats standard for many manual cars, 5 or 6 speed manuals have been used for decades

>>16333489
I know companies that will fire you on the spot for a weld even half that bad.

>>16334196
>it's been used for decades

not an argument

there are sports cars with 8 speed gearboxes and obvious scientific reasons why more gears is better

>>16334165
5 speed is superior

6th is only for highway cruise in that car anyway.

Fuck off faggot

>>16334247
>not an argument
what do you mean its not an argument? Why are you saying its ONLY 6 gears, how many other cars out there have more than 6 gears in their manual transmission? Shit the distance between gears on the shifter must be super close to try and accommodate that many gears

>there are tons of cars with 8 gear boxes
sure but are they manual like you're trying to juxtipose? Most of other GM's cars are 6 speeds, more gears is not inherently better as you lose time shifting which is the primary argument against them

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>>16334247
>there are sports cars with 8 speed gearboxes and obvious scientific reasons why more gears is better
because they are fuel guzzling pieces of shit and stupid amount of overdrive gears is the only way it will meet epa standards?

>muh 8 gears
>literally over ten seconds slower to accelerate a mere 30mph in top gear compared to 6 speed cars
>doesnt even have higher top speed
>doesnt even have better highway mpg
roflmao what is the fucking point of more than 6 gears. there is none. the fastest car ever at the nurburgring has 5 gears lol

>>16334273
>more gears is not inherently better as you lose time shifting which is the primary argument against them

why would they make the gear ratios smaller? the idea is to add more gears at the end, for top speed and fuel economy

>>16334286
>>there are sports cars with 8 speed gearboxes and obvious scientific reasons why more gears is better
>because they are fuel guzzling pieces of shit and stupid amount of overdrive gears is the only way it will meet epa standards?

well you're not wrong, but overdrive gears are great for fuel economy


i was only trolling anyway, i didn't expect to get this many (You)'s

>>16334302
>why would they make the gear ratios smaller? the idea is to add more gears at the end, for top speed and fuel economy
except see >>16334286
its not faster, its not better MPG and it doesn't have a higher top speed.

More gears aren't inherently better. Hell they put 9 gear trannies in dinky fiat 500's because they produce so LITTLE power and torque they need the super short gears just to get enough torque to operate or climb a hill

>>16333489
>german engineering

>>16334309
>9 gear trannies in dinky fiat 500
and the top gear isn't even overdrive so they fucked that one up too

>>16333489
>>135k

it actually is 135k

that's 911 turbo territory

lmao

>>16334002
But the 500 is all about raw power and the 350 is about tracking.

>>16334881
The M4 GTS gets similar lap times as the 911 GT3 in comparison tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=747AMRlSmLQ&app=desktop
Murrican reviews are just biased shit

>>16333760
Niggers