Yo dudes how do you fix the torque canyon on the 86?

>>16301685
$500 ls swap in a afternoon

Change the driver.
These cars are not meant to driven half heartily, the revs should never be that low if you are pushing it.

>>16301711
isnt it to do with the VVTI?

>>16301685

Put a miata engine in it.

>200 hp
>150 ft/lbs torque

Miata
>155 hp
>145 ft/lbs torque

How does this car make so much less torque than its HP?

>>16301718
high rpm, aggressive cam, high compression

stroke over bore

>>16301718
The engine on the miata has something like a 14:1 compression rario vs the gt86s 12.5:1. Ofc tgat not the only reason for it, but it does contribute.

>>16301720
>>16301723
So of all the things listed why didn't they make the twins have these things to have decent torque?

>>16301740
its designed for commuting under 4k and 'sport' over 5k revs

>>16301748
Hoe high can its fuel economy get if you drive at 4k all the time?

>>16301754
Realistically you dont

Most MPG figures are BULLSHIT

>>16301702
show me how you can do this for $500

>>16301763
O-oh you wanted a serious answer?

Supercharger.

the yanks do a bunch of bolt on kits

>>16301702
I love how the price has slowly been falling

>>16301685
UEL headers have a small effect, supercharger like >>16301766 said is the best though

>>16301763
The $500 joke is from the fact you can pick up a 4.8L or 5.3L LS/Vortec V8 for under $500 from just about any junkyard in America.

But yes, The best solution is a supercharger kit.

>>16301770
bout 350 m8

>>16301740
>>16301718
Both those examples are atmo 2 litres you genius. And yet, the toyobaru still has a greater (albeit marginally) peak torque output. Once you start understanding the correlation between torque and power will you then understand why the toyobaru peak power is relatively significantly higher.

>>16301776
>>16301775
Absolutely

Heres what you can expect

https://www.harrop.com.au/tvs86 (cant find yank link but it gives you an idea)

and Fatt Marah reviews one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tcE8N8I1I&t=317s

Its probably cheaper to buy and install for you yanks but it's what i'd do if i had a 86.

Get a used one for 12k or so and slap a supercharger, wide wheels and sticky rubber on it and your laughing.

If you eventually want more that 250-300rwhp you can always compound turbocharge it and add a Turbo

>>16301702
Came here to post this but if you got $1000 you can expect better results.

>>16301718
I've seen a diesel swapped old chevy dually shortbed pickup, thing was making only around 800hp but nearly 2200lb ft of torque

BRZ STI WHEN

>>16301809
literally cheaper to buy a new engine by the time you dick around putting a supercharger/turbo on the 86's motor you'll be 5-10k deep in mods and will have to get internals done to get more power

250-300rwhp these days is nothing
>>16301816
probably never

Toyota are fucking cucks and dont even make a turbo 4pot and subaru's 4pot turbos are outdated as fuck and melt beyond 300hp anyway

>>16301825
>Toyota are fucking cucks and dont even make a turbo 4pot
Toyota has a 2.0L Turbo. You can find it in the new Lexus NX200t and the Lexus IS200t.
Take the Toyota Camry's 2.5L 4 cylinder, give it a smaller stroke crankshaft and a smaller bore, then turbocharge it and you have the new 2.0L Turbo. Same engine family.

>>16301795
You are right. Their volume's are the same. I am dumb for not considering that.

So it isn't that the torque is low, the HP is high because the twins rev higher?

I am shit at mechanics but autistic enough to like moving things, I know I'm ill informed here.

>>16301847
>So it isn't that the torque is low, the HP is high because the twins rev higher?
it's not necessarily that they rev higher, though it certainly helps. It's that the heads allow that much more air through. Engines are essentially air pumps. The more air you can get in and out, and the quicker you can do it, the more power you'll make

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To get rid of the torque dip you get headers or OFT. People shit post about this car all day when there's nothing wrong with it. Also if you have basic tools you can get a good reliable turbo kit for $3200. You can easily get 320whp to the wheels safely. You would be faster than a sti for a few grand less. So what's wrong with the car again?

>>16302068
it's not a s65 coupe with the fragrance system that infuses the air with pheromones that makes arabian princess pussies wet but aside from that it's ok

>>16302068
This got me thinking. Realistically, what torque outputs can the stock internals, transmission and drivetrain cope with without bursting?

>>16302502
350-380whp a quick Google search revealed on stock everything. Crawford did 400 apparently.

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>you can just double the horsepower on a high strung 12.5:1 street car with a $2k kit
>look, the results from the manufacturer of the kit prove it!
>I read it on the internet it must be true

>>16302605
Clearly you don't know the FA20

>>16302605
This.

Realistically shit starts breaking after the 350whp mark. Clutch goes, cv joints/shafts go, and anything 8 psi the internals start to give.

Stock this car cant go far, and kits are 4k and up.

Sure you can fix the torque dip with a tune and headers but really will that do much? Doubt it.

Much better to LS swap it, hell even the japs do it on their time attack and drift cars

>>16302650
Please do your research before you talk. Friend at my school 2 years he had SBD turbo kit on his brz which is 3k. He had stock everything and only had to change the clutch. He beat the fuck out of the poor car. He dynoed at 370whp. His motor hasn't blown yet.

>>16301723
>The engine on the miata has something like a 14:1 compression rario
>the engine in a miata is diesel
explains why it's so shit.

>>16301685
You buy a brz and get rid of that ugly fucking frs

People on here need to look stuff up before making assumptions like they know everything.

>>16302738
>literally the same shit except with a shitty flat engine

>>16302751
This, horsepower is a product of torque. ya'll niggas need to to do some homework on the relationship between horsepower and torque.

>>16301825
>250-300rwhp these days is nothing
kys you fool

>>16301685
throw it in the trash and buy a v8 if ya want 'MUH TORKS'

>>16303657
Yeah pretty much. The whole thing wakes up if you shift and keep the revs up, but that means either sounding like a motorcycle all the time or accepting that you'll have to downshift when it's time to stop cruising.

The dip is more irritating than I thought it would be but on the other hand I just plain like shifting gears so probably I'll like it better after retraining myself to shift more preemptively.

>>16302728
lol its only a matter of time its common knowledge subi motors grenade at anything over 8psi or 300rwhp
>>16303586
it isnt my stock ls has 300rwhp

>>16304745
>leaf level posting

>>16302763
they both have the same shitty flat engine

Toyota needs to work with Porsche or BMW on the engine for the next gen 86. The current one is a loser.

>>16301798
>compound turbocharge

That's a first.

>>16304850
They already confirmed that there will be a next gen 86 and it's still being jointly developed with Subaru

unequal length headers

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>>16305131
The boss of Toyota Europe said a few days ago that collaborating with Subaru was likely but not definite.

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>>16305302

>>16306222
Australia m8, can't be helped

>>16301702
fpbp

>>16301685
Headers and a tune.

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>>16301685
Get a CARB legal supercharger.

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>>16302738
Zenki 86 > *

>>16304850
>>16305131
>>16305302
should just chuck the renisis in their

>>16306721
>here! Stick in this unreliable pile of shit with shit gas mileage, doesn't meet emissions anymore and is even worse at producing torque than the current flat 4

>>16305302
nice toyobaru cr-z M///coupe

>>16301685
Porn

>>16304850

How can others do it so well and they do it so badly? Why not a compact mid-front engine design inline 4 with a turbo hardware in front?

2.3L turbo I4 seems like a no-brainer. 275hp/280lbft

Fucking Subaru and their flat 4s. They fuck everything up.

>>16307727
dey made airplanes an sheeeeit

>>16301685
Sell it and buy a real car like a Mustang GT

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>>16308039
huh, last time i checked real cars had turning capabilities

>inb4 muh irs

shutup cletus, go fuck your sister.

>pic related
>it's a car that can turn

>>16308055
No need to be so insecure, bro. It's okay that you get beat by V8 monsters in your small displacement shitbox.

>>16301776
A lot of junkyards let 4 bangers go for $250

>>16308195
>making assumptions
>damage control

eh, i don't know what i expected

someone who was a result from 2 siblings fucking can't be smart enough to comprehend legitimate points.

it's ok buddy, one day you'll understand that both the germans & the japanese both make better cars than amerilards.

>inb4 another """muh v8""" autistic comment

its fast enough. there, i said it.

>>16302068
>So what's wrong with the car again?
busriders and benchracers shitposting

>>16308223
yes, but we're talking about a V8, and one of the most common performance engines you can get these days.

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The problem with this car is that it's not a miata.

Now let me explain...

The miata never had that much power, but it's handling prowess made up for it. It also had a ridiculous aftermarket, and a somewhat mature enthusiast following.

The FR-S/BRZ isn't the same. It has just enough horsepower to be taken seriously, and thus considered a disappointment.

The aftermarket for the twins is there, but it has a lot of boy-racer shit mixed in.

And the biggest problem is the community that follow this car. They watched so much initial d, and played so much need4speed that they expect way too much from this car. For $25k, you're getting quite a bit, which is amazing for the 20-something crowd.

The problem is, $25k is at that point where the monthly car payment is juuust affordable for the majority of people interested in these cars, and thus, it's difficult to afford mods.

Back to the miata crowd, the buyers are usually in their 30's and 40's, where the miata is just a second car for weekend driving with the wife. They can afford all sorts of mods if they wanted to. Even turbo and superchargers.

The frs/brz crowd cant. So they see all these amazing examples of the car they own, and want to modify, but can't. Thus, the 200hp stays the same when it was really only there to be a starting point for customization, or an acceptable amount for the average consumer.


That is the problem with the Toyota toyobarus... they're not miatas.


I do love both cars tho.

>>16308336
This is probably the best explanation.

>>16308336
Depends I the area I guess, but I started finding tons miats near $10k while cross shopping. The alternatives were like kias and one thing where it really made you think why somebody would be selling a corvette for $15k.

Probably should have gotten my dream miat but didn't have the time to go look at them all.

>>16308336
In their defense, they'll be amazing shitboxes in 10-15 years if nothing ends up having disastrous longevity and they don't start having problems meeting emissions.

>>16308358

When the flat fours in all these things blow themselves apart, what better available engine will just drop in without extensive mods?

If I could just order a Camry crate motor, or even one from the breakers, it would be quite interesting. But I think this thing will always be stuck with that "Impreza" motor.

>>16308336

/thread

>>16308373
I'd bet a box of donuts someone will make a 350 SBC swap kit.

>>16308355
That's another thing. The BRZ and FRS are still considered "new" cars. They need to come down in price a bit more before the tuning community can really grab hold of them.

The miata is the perfect example of this. You can find NC's for under $10k, NB'so under $5k, and NA's for under $2k. The ND's are gonna take awhile to comfortably slide under the $15k mark.

>>16308358
Oh yeah, they're gonna be the replacement for the 240SX's. Finally, we can retire those cars. Hopefully there will be some unmolested examples, or atleast tastefully modified ones by the time it's replaced.

I'm just waiting to see what retarded swaps these kids do for the toyobarus. The FA20 isn't half bad for what it is.

>>16308385
2J and LS will be done hell or high water, good idea or not. Simply a matter of time.

>>16308385
Maybe it was the toasted suspension, but I wouldn't compare a 240sx to a brz/frs. They don't have that whole driving a 30lb tent at 800MPH with 20hp feel.

>>16308403

on paper they're pretty much identical

in real life of course its gonna be pretty different,

>>16308336
>For $25k, you're getting quite a bit, which is amazing for the 20-something crowd.

I do like this explanation but you can get more out of the Genesis which is priced at around the same mark. If you go up 4 grand more, you get 370z, Mustangs, Camaros, etc. They all come with serious power and room for boltons that give you even more power. Yes pigfat but let's be honest, you don't have much room to improve the BRZ. It's as light as it can get. Better intake/exhaust will yield marginal power at best, Prius tires means you gotta buy all new tires so and so on and so forth to be able to handle any extra power you make. That's all out of the box with Genesis/370z/Mustangs/etc. Problem with BRZ is that if you want real power, you gotta drop a lot more in price and you are better off with something else.

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>>16308247
You seem upset. Did you get beat in a stoplight race by a Minivan?

>>16308422
>You seem upset. Did you get beat in a stoplight race by a Minivan?

I never understood this, is there a minivan thats faster than the twins or something?

>>16308409
It's not bad though if you find one for cheap. Here's to bringing back the eurobeat.

>tfw mine came with papers for the custom dorifto button in the glovebox

>>16308403
I simply meant that it would be the new "plentiful and affordable rwd coupe" replacement. The 240 did that better than any other car for the drift community. Every drift nirvana meet I went to, S13's and S14's everywhere. All sorts of swaps ranging from CA18s, to RB25's, and even a lexus V8 from time to time. The LS1 was popular, but never got to see/ride in/ or drive one. SR20's for days tho. Oh, and you had a KA24E, people would be throwing parts at you for cheap or free to atleast swap to a KA24DE.

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>>16308422
you also seem upset, did you have to settle for a shitbox from craigslist because you are too poor to be able to buy a new toyobaru & mod it to be fast?

seems like it, mr. busrider.

>>16308428
There probably is. When I owned my Miata, we all had to accept that we'd be beaten at stop signs by the soccer mom's van. The average minivan has around 250-300hp and probably matching torque. Even with double the weight, there's just no beating the grunt that those things need to haul 7 people.

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>>16308420

you're comparing the 86 to more expensive cars, weighing 300kg or more.

and in the case of the hyundai, seriously?

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>>16308443
>mod it to be fast
>not having a stock fast car
Lmao!

>>16308449
To be honest mom never hoons the van anyway and raw power without any fun makes jack a dull boy.

My mom told me to stop after 3rd gear because she was scared. I was like MOOOOOMMMM it's only five miles over the speed limit GEEZ

>>16308420
>Prius tires means you gotta buy all new tires

OH NO, I GOTTA BUY NEW TIRES

>>16308468

found the guy who doesn't enjoy working on cars

>>16308475
$.02 have been deposited into your Toyota/Subaru joint account, arigatou!

>>16308468
ah, okay, it's all so clear now.

you are too fucking poor to buy an unmolested car from the factory & have the leftover cash to make it fast.

everything makes perfect sense now.

(you're also too poor to buy an unmolested fast car from the factory such as a v8 mustang or something, so don't even try to tell me you can)

>>16306311
>265hp at the flywheel
If I'm going FI, I'm not gonna waste time or money on carb legal routes

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>>16308505
ok dude whatever you say

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>>16308336
>That is the problem with the Toyota toyobarus... they're not miatas.

The fact that they are not miatas is exactly why I bought one though.

I didn't want to spend close to 30k on a 2 seat roadster.

I wanted a lightweight, rwd, fixed coupe that had more than 2 seats.

There are not very many cars made in the past 10 years that fit that description, aside from the Lotus Evora.

>>16308420
>Yes pigfat but let's be honest, you don't have much room to improve the BRZ. It's as light as it can get.

It's relatively easy to get down to 2650lbs without gutting the car.

>>16308527
Some people live in Commiefornia though


I'm just glad Subaru/Toyota even bothered making this car. Look at the shit that nissan, mitsubishi, and Honda are making lately.

>>16306311
funny thing is hondas k20 makes this much power with bolt ons and cams. sure both cost around 3k but it just shows how trash the fa20 is.

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>>16308621
Can you even buy a new car with a k20 anymore? I would think it wouldn't pass modern USA emission laws.

Obviously the k20 is the superior engine though. I guess it just depends on if you want a rwd car or don't mind fwd in that case.

Is there currently a NA 4 2.0L cylinder that makes more power than the Fa20? Just curious.

>>16308648
The Honda Fit has a new L15 DOHC with direct injection.

Considering the new Civics are the size of old Accords, the Fit has pretty much replaced the Civic in terms of affordable, practical, and with the new engine, and aftermarket possibly even has a chance at a performance alternative.

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>>16308665
I love the fit, but at the end of the day you are still driving in an economy fwd chassis and not a dedicated rwd platform. I'm sure they are a blast to drive though

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>>16308420
>ever considering gook cars
not even once.
The only thing they have on cars is warranty, they copy everything yet put in a worse engine.
This is an example of how bad they try to copy everything.
>Prius tires means you gotta buy all new tires so and so on and so forth to be able to handle any extra power you make.
Who the fuck keeps their tires from stock? let alone don't switch tires around depending on what you're doing....
>inb4 low quality bait.

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>>16308381
>>16308381

Kek. It will look like something from Rat Fink.

>>16301754

Pretty good, 20-25mpg is normal just cruising at 4000 rpm, the engine handles those revs fine

>>16301798
>anon actually thinks it's this easy and that a dozen drivetrain components won't break when you push it above 300whp.

>>16301685
Me thinks you are missing some cylinders.

>>16302068
Wow. Those panels and hood fitments are awful.

>>16308422
>stoplight racing
>ever
>not doing a sighting run down a deserted toegay, stationing friends at each end of the course (oh wait you have none), and tearing it up there

I hope the cops take away your license faggot

>>16302634
Clearly youve never turbo'd a high compression car.

>>16301685
B engine.

>>16308355
For 10k-15k, the best car you can get used from the past 7 years is a 2009+ RX-8.

>>16308945
>tfw cri errytime you see that red AMC Eagle lifted up and being worked on
>not supposed to work on cars here boy

Make Great Cars Great Again.

>>16308358
>>16308373
>>16308381

That's the big, big problem with the toyoburos.

They aren't like many older cars whose drivetrains could handle 3 or 4 times more power than they had stock.
You put more than 30% more power in the FR-S than it has stock, and the rear dif will break, transmission will break, all sorts of different parts would break.
And older cars would usually fit 20% larger wheels stock, and here you also need a wide body and it's usually harder/impossible to roll the fenders in newer cars.

In the RX7, the stock FCs couldn't handle terribly much, but you bolt in the rear end from a junkyard Turbo II which there are tons of since Mazda sold like a million of these cars in different configurations, and you're good to go.

Even in 10 years, when these cars are under $10,000, you're going to be spending three times that in total to double its horsepower when you can triple an FC's power for like $5,000.

Unless there's some other car out there that has some transmission and rear end that can simply bolt on to the Toyoboru, things are going to remain terrible when it comes to the tuning and potential of the cars.

Meanwhile, MX-5's have this huge tuning crowd for decades to where kits to bolt on a T5(iirc) transmission and Chevy V8 become fairly cheap.

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>>16308931
The engine can't handle crazy amounts of boost, but it takes to low levels of boost pretty well with stock internals and a good tune

>>16308466
Genesis is literally the same price.
370z is 3 grand more.
Mustang is 2 grand LESS AND comes with a V6.

>>16308597
Do you not think it's just as easy to do weight reductions on a Mustang? You stand to lose more weight and gain more power with boltons. There's more potential out of 6 cylinders as opposed to 4.

370z dyno at around 270whp. Full bolt ons and a tune will get you around a solid 330whp. Compare that to full bolt ons and tune in a BRZ, you'll be just around the 200whp mark. BRZs stock dyno is 170whp. That's pathetic.

Tune a proper 2 seater coupe as opposed to gutting a 4 seater for gains that can barely put you in the high 14s 1/4 mile.

>>16308466
Nice try dude.

BRZs curb weight is around 2800lbs.
370zs curb weight is around 3200lbs.

That's 400lbs diff not 600lbs. Also 370z are throwing down 130hp extra at the crank. For every 100lbs, that's the equivalent of 10hp more. Still got a long way to go. Don't believe me, look up drag times. 370z are averaging mid 13s. BRZs are averaging mid 15s. It's hilarious you think they are similar performance cars. They aren't.

>>16308271
>V8, and one of the most common performance engines you can get these days.
4 cyl performance much more common

>torque
literally useless

>>16309104
>Half an engine
>Performance
Pick one

>>16309196
Toyobabbies btfo!

>>16309104
All the would-be v8s are being bought up by turbo i4s and v6s.

>>16309093
370z with LSD weight is closer to 3300lbs.

Besides, why would anyone buy a 370z when you could have a c6 for the same price? It's a better car in every way.

>>16309104
Nope. Not in America. In America, The V8 is still king of performance builds, even in import cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H8ItG5SK9o

I hope Toyota makes their own engine for the new 86 and subaru gets rid of the junky fa20.

>>16310733

4 years ago, when I bought the car, I thought the FA20 was the greatest thing ever.

fast forward 4 years and im actually working on the car myself, and its a fucking cunt. nevermind the torque canyon, its there for a reason, and if its somehow a problem for you, you might not comprehend of manual gears work.

don't get me wrong, its been extremely reliable and solid, but as far as actually working on it? give me an I4 please.

but then, having an engine that flat and so far down, there isnt really a metric for it. have i enjoyed the car more because of the low boxer? who the fuck knows. all i know is the engine take boost ten times better than any wrx engine i saw.

>>16311001
flat 4/6s are terrible to work on. Transverse 4 is easier imo.

>>16301702
It was 1k two weeks ago

>>16311182

by the time I actually got money to build my FA20, I'll hopefully have the knowhow and money to do it as well.

I love what it does, its just a cunt to work on.

>>16311214
Swap in a LS like every other person. They might be a meme engine but they are a meme engine for a reason
>Make power cheap/Cheap to purchase
>Easy to work on
>Can be reliable
>Big aftermarket

>>16311222

corvettes and their engines is about the only good thing to come out of america far as im concerned, but I'm keeping my FA20.

I bought the car fully knowing its a 4 cylinder shitbox. and as we're speaking I'm actually talking to some guy about trading my BRZ for a built AE86.

I know.

>>16311244
If it was me i'd buy a new mazda 3 desu. Old ae86 for a new 86 is stupid.

>>16311251
>If it was me i'd buy a new mazda 3 desu.

I'm picking up a mazda 3 for my mom, though. does that count.

>Old ae86 for a new 86 is stupid.

of course it is, but if a car leaves me smiling its a winner. i'll be getting some cash as well of course.

>>16311264
Yea it does. The new mazda 3's are mint, If they made an AWD MPS one it would sell over evos/subies.

If it was a direct swap it would be dumb. Even then it's a 30 year old meme corolla.

>>16311272

im looking at 2011 and 2012 models, and a few mazda 2's. but yeah, they're pretty damn neat overall.

>>16311285
I got a Mazda 3 SP25 2011, it's the highest up model idk what they're called in America, iSport touring or something maybe. It's a really nice car, handles excellent for what it is, enough power for a daily. Mazda speed 3 would be nice but they are an extra 10k AUD on top of what i bought mine for, in america they would be cheaper. Don't get the Mazda 2, they are too small for anything useful.

>>16311306

if I wasn't obsessed about lightweight RWD, I'd have gotten a MSP or suzuki swift myself.

>handles excellent for what it is

absolutely, as did the 323 before it.

>>16311313
>if I wasn't obsessed about lightweight RWD
I don't get the obsession desu, Other than being able to drift, do skids and shred tires I don't see the point of RWD on a daily. Suzuki swifts are neat too but they feel cheap compared to a mazda 3, the 323s are a nice car too.

>>16311326

you sound exactly like me when i was 19.

you'll learn to love it once you get the taste of it properly.

>>16311329
I owned 1 RWD car and hated it. Maybe I need another one.

>>16311344

what was it?

>>16311355
Holden Commodore.

>>16311357

I somehow knew that was gonna be the answer lol. our nearest equivalent here would be an open omega or something. not a very good representative.

without going into specifics, I'd personally say the worst car ever made is a RWD, while the best one is a FWD hands down. however, far as driving joy and dynamics go though, you do want most of the drive going behind you.

dunno if that made any sense at all, but you can get some mad cheap jap RWD over there and perfect conditions to utilize it correctly, unlike us over here in europe.

>>16308648
>Can you even buy a new car with a k20 anymore? I would think it wouldn't pass modern USA emission laws.
absolute base model Honda Civics get K20's

>>16308428
Pretty much any V6 minivan would win. There's really no shame in that though because they cost at least a few grand more

>>16311405

considering most civvie V6 produce less power than a 86, and weigh a fuckton lot more, I somehow doubt that.

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>>16311419
btfo

>>16311373
Yea not one of the best RWD cars ever made. I might have to get something jap to really experience rwd.

>>16301685

New headers + ecu flash

New gt86 in 2017 has eliminated torque dip through this modification.

>>16308527
>>16306311
It's kind of a trade off between reliability and power, the more power you go, the more likely something will fail.

also >wanting fuccboi tunes

>>16311484
vans are fun

>>16311484
that is modern pigfat.

>>16311544
pigfat is good on a van

more room to fuck your mom

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>>16311517

dip is still there, it's only less noticeable when driving due to shorter final drive

>>16301798
>stock internals grenade above 300whp
>stock clutch dies above 300whp

If you want to start making more power you have to do alot more than slapping on forced induction.

>>16312974
This.

>>16301685
Build wall in it, torgue will ride over nice and smooth

>>16301685
Troll thread? If you're driving it spiritedly then it stays above the dip the whole time.

>>16311602
Even shorter? I'd kind of rather have a taller final drive for day to day use. I mean I guess shorter means you can just ignore 1st gear altogether most of the time, but then it's going to be even sillier when you're cruising on the highway.

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>>16311517
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>16311529
Keep boost levels relatively low and you are fine.

>>16314079

4.1 to 4.3 ratio I believe, info is easy to find and I dont care to confirm.

Either way makes the highway RPMs abit higher, when they already were so reviewers complain about it

>>16311222
No one does ls swaps except for boomers into other boomer mobiles

No, that 1 in 1000 lsgt86 build featured on speed hunters is exactly that

LS is a retarded ass swap when you can make waay more power with the existing engine for waay cheaper

>>16312974
Stock internals are good for 400whp at the very least
Stop posting

>>16314820
Yeah no doubt. I mean when you're in 6th at modern highway speeds it's a strange combination of being too loud and being peppier than you'd really need. I guess it's nice I almost never have to downshift vs. my old subaru, but really it makes me want to have one more gear for just bumbling along when it's not hilly.

Downshifting to 5th to make it scream a little bit is great, but that's rarely needed for a long distance trip.