should we raise the driving age?

post yfw 15 yr olds and 80 yr olds can drive around in life taking death traps

You should be able to drive at the same age you're legally allowed to drink. And you should be allowed to do both at the same time

>>16269594
Seriously, I'd be perfectly fine with 20+ being the minimum driving age

I was a total fucktard back in my teens, lucky I didn't kill someone.

17 is perfect age to be allowed on the roads
adequate mental maturity PLUS at least 7 years of driving experience already

>>16269602
this
im 18, almost 19, i still drive like a retard

on purpose though

>>16269587
This kid, I would never give him a license, fucking douchebag.

Most of the world's licensing laws are way too fucking lenient

Australia at least cucks you for a little while and makes you put a sticker that makes you a target to try and pull you into line

Abso-fucking-lutely. 18 should be the minimum. I'd advocate 21. Kids in cars are fucking retarded. I'd also require a second test and graduated license class for driving a non-stick-shift car, because the automatics only encourage fucking retards to fiddle with other shit like phones or the radio when they should be watching the fucking road.

>>16269587
No. Stop being shit and actually introduce some real driver training. Stop just raising the age and treating it as do e

>>16269739
/thread

I think the problem is, at least in America, that the tests themselves are retardedly easy and it's completely possible to become a licensed driver without really having a grasp on the crucial skills or the experience to apply them.

Do other countries/states test on highway driving too? 'cause when I was getting licensed it wasn't even mentioned

>>16269587
>Fucking faggot gets rich riding a razor scooter somehow
>makes YouTube videos of himself playing on a trampoline
>People eat this shit up
>Gets rich by doing fucking nothing
>buys a GTR at age 16
>Wrecks it, breaks his leg, fucks up his face, all by speeding around a corner and losing control

There's some nice karmic justice going on here. I hope that little shit never walks right again.

>>16269733
Eastern states of australia has bullshit licensing processes, takes 3+ years to go from learners permit to full license.

>>16269587

Possibly but there are other factors.

>>16269739

The tests to get a drivers license need to be more involved and learning to drive a manual should be mandatory.

But ultimately we have an issue with 16/17 year old kids driving because they make incredibly poor decisions, not that they lack driving "skill". Texting while driving, driving while high as a kite, driving while drunk, fucking around with friends in a moving car, driving on the wrong side of the road, racing other people on crowded streets etc... These are all really poor impulsive decisions which kids are going to make time and again because they're kids. Getting them better driving skill won't really change that.

>>16269587
You can't fix stupid. I mean over here, it's 18yo, it's a long training, sometimes spanning over several years, it's expensive, almost prohibitive and yet people still drive like absolute retards.

>>16269739
Youngin detected, like it or not there's no reason to be driving under 21.

On a tangential topic, we need to move away from cash-fines for misdemeanor traffic offences. I live in an oil town, and people who can afford to routinely drive 20+kmh over the speed limit and run lights, because at the end of the month they just walk into a license centre, and pay off all the tickets. Fines aren't a penalty to people who drop out of high school and make 6-figure incomes doing manual labour. So the privilege of disobeying traffic laws becomes something you can just buy if you have enough disposable income.

Instead, there should be a stricter demerit system, and once a license is revoked for infractions, the driver needs start over with a learner's permit, and work his way back up.

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Fuck off grandpa, not everyone drives like a complete idiot at that age

>>16269780
What the fuck are you talking about? 18 year olds have jobs and schooling to drive to.

Go to bed, grandpa

>>16269793
18 year Olds can ride a fucking bus.

>>16269792
>>16269793
Assblasted children detected. A 2-ton lump of steel and glass filled with explosively combustible materials and capable of travelling fast enough to liquefy bodies on contact should not ever be left in the hands of people who can't be trusted with alcohol or firearms.

>>16269788
>we need to move away from cash-fines for misdemeanor traffic offences
but gubberment wants money

>>16269798
>>16269803

Like you alcoholic fucktards are any better. I'm the most cautious driver I know, including people triple my age. Never even been remotely close to an accident, and will never have an accident that's my fault because I fucking pay attention.

Stay mad that you're old as fuck and will never be a happy 18 year old driving around on a sunny weekend with your girl again :^)

>>16269803
>>16269780
cuck who lives in a communist shit hole detected

ill enjoy guns booze hookers and gambling at 18 tyvm

I'd say yes. My sister who's 16 drives my dads Ford Excursion, which is big as fuck and not beginner friendly to begin with, like a fucking lunatic. Taking tight corners way to fast. Honks at people when red light just turns green. Surprised she hasn't parked up a tree yet.

>>16269811

>booze
>at 18

So you're not American then? Who's the commie now motherfucker?

>>16269824
>Who's the commie now motherfucker?
the person not allowed to drink at 18

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>>16269594
Post yfw america should adapt north european driving laws
>15 years you get to drive 50cc bikes
>16 years you get to drive 125cc bikes
>16 alternatively 45kmh limited tractors, light build 550cc "cars" limited to 45kmh or road tractor ATV's (some require B-license) or 125cc bike license ATV's
>18 you get a license to drive actual car
>18 you get limited KW motorbikes + upgradeable bike license (upgraded when you turn 21)
Also
>Driving schools have actual courses, driving tests have multiple parts, driving test written exam is actually made so that retards don't pass (without getting lucky)
>Driving school teaches general under bonnet components (battery, oil, fluids) as well as lights, brakes and laws regarding lighting use on roads
>Initial license at 18 only lasts 2 years, within this period you are not allowed too many tickets and must take a second part of driving classes (driving in icy conditions, emergency braking etc. basically hooning it on a track)
Nowadays they actually implemented a third set of classes, but everyone agrees it's useless and a money grab, even the driving schools and their employees. But bureaucracy under that kike merkel isn't so great.

We also have yearly inspections, which are like 30€ if you know how to find offers, easily passable but ensures no deathraps get on the roads.

Americans have a nice road network, too bad it's filled with incompetent retards.

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>>16269841
Oh yeah, and you're not allowed to take the tests in an automatic unless you're somehow handicapped and have a doctors note about it (which gets marked on your license too)

>>16269755
He was in a friends car, not driving.

>>16269808
>I'm the most cautious driver I know
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_desirability_bias
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_perception
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-hand_fallacy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

You've got some homework to do.

>>16269587
Thank God for the arrows pointing at the car, wouldn't have spotted it without their divine assistance.

>>16269759
Good.
Here in NZ we have a massive whinge about >AWWW WE LOST 3 PEOPLE THIS WEEKEND, FUCK ME
but then we have shitty license tests like can you park next to a curb and stay at the speed limit.
The learners test is still a fucking scratchie/multiple choice.
Don't get me started on the fucking asians, either, 9/10 times some fuckwit pulls out in front it's some dusty fuck on borrowed time or an asian with conjunctivitis. Half of the itises don't even know who gives way to who or where to look for inbound traffic. It's absolutely unbefuckinleavable.

>>16269803
>>16269798
Glad to see that people screaming YOUNGINS CAN'T DRIVE are the ones who can't even read a post, let alone a traffic signal or road code.

He said the education is the problem, not the age. You can be 40 and a shit driver, or 10 and a shit driver. The complete lack of driver training (Not testing) is the problem.

>>16269879
this. is dosen't matter how high you make the age, or how much harder the the tests are. The idiots find a way.
we should get rid of airbags and make all crash bars and medians out of solid concrete. Suddenly people are terrified of driving, they're paying attention again, because if they don't they die. And the ones who aren't watching the road? they die, darwin's game plays its course. Also the need for crumple zones and airbags is gone. Cars can look good again.

If you want to make people even worse drivers, yes. Once you turn 20 your ability to learn starts taking a dive and you need more intensive, deliberate training.

Just actually teach people how to drive instead of giving them a quick class like

>go pedal
>slow pedal
>slow pedal for turns go pedal for straight bits
>make sure this dial matches the white rectangle sign

>>16269770
Beware of the pent up immaturity repressive cultures tend to foster

People, especially men, will do it once they get the chance, or they won't do it ever. Your only choice is to keep them locked in a padded cell until 50 or ruin their lives with HRT.

>>16269788
Or maybe you should take a good hard look at your traffic laws and realize it's a flawed system

People aren't breaking the law for no reason. They're breaking the law because the law is impeding them more than it helps them. And if the crime is victimless, the victim is the perpetrator. You are punishing adults for not obeying daddy and little else.

Speed limits are artificially low and do not adjust to conditions. Stop lights that function brilliantly during high density hours operate more efficiently as four way stops as traffic density drops.

One person on an empty straight goes 1 mile over the limit. Ticket. One person stops at an empty, light-controlled intersection where all paths for cross traffic are in fuel view, and then moves on. Ticket. Two people arrive at a stop sign and leave in the correct order, but their vehicles do not come to complete stops, even though they would have spent the same amount of time at the sign. Ticket. Ticket. Someone on a completely empty road, sans cop on the side, changes lanes without their blinker. Ticket.

>>16269890
Unfortunately, it's the ones who think texting at 120km/h and yoloing to their BFFs are taking out everyone else.

I've had this braindead bird jump out of her car, texting, slamming her door into me on a bike and be done for 'careless use', which was like a $50 slap on the wrist, while I had to pay for excess because insurance cucks are cucks, as am I apparently.

>>16269788
NZ did something similar, they dropped the ticket cost by half and raised the demerits by double-ish.
20k over used to be 300 bucks and 15 demerits, or something, now it's the other way around. People would rather not be disqualified for 6 months than pay a fine and it worked.

>>16269898
that's why the medians are concrete. To keep the tards out of oncoming traffic. To keep us safe, not them.

>>16269906
Definitely. Just no cheese-cutters, please.

>>16269904
>Penalties are practically worse
>Dissent against traffic laws in small towns where they barely mean shit already grows to the point where cops don't enforce them if you have in-state plates, or live in a state that's close enough to make contesting a definite possibility, because they take care of their own
>revenue is decreased so cops start going letter of the law on travelers to keep their municipalities funded
>The US is now borderline lawless and in a perpetual state of civil war fought with traffic tickets
>the cities are hell, everyone in a red car loses their license for 1/2mph over tickets within one year, sportbikes follow soon after, followed by all other motorcycles, yellow cars, and VWs with nice wheels
>Canada invades the destabilized US and succeeds
>russia then anexes the new combined state and goes on to rule the world

good going

>>16269906
>Tard hits a concrete median
>bounces off it
>rebounds

I like my local roads. We have a ditch for a median. In that ditch is a fence of very thin wire that would cut you in half if you hit it at speed.

Nobody is going into oncoming traffic with that thing unless you count assorted body parts.

>>16269919
What if I told you, I don't like in Candidcuckistan or Freeterrorca?

>>16269928
Cheesecutters make a terrible mess, someone has to clean that up.

Kids do stupid shit, but age isn't a substitute for experience either. I feel like pushing back the minimum age would mostly just postpone all the stupid shit we did as stupid teenage drivers.

At any rate, I see plenty of grown-ass men and women (especially women) doing utterly retarded shit like texting and driving, so age clearly isn't the only issue.

Sadly, I expect the problem to solve itself with autonomous vehicles before we find a good legislative solution.

>>16269788
Some places impose fines as a percentage of income rather than a static amount. (We'd probably need some minimum/baseline to address "broke" (on paper) dindus and the like)

Another fix could be graduated fines, scaled by the number of points on your license or something.

>>16269841
I like the idea of forcing new drivers to ride mopeds/motorcycles to instill some appropriate mortal fear/respect for the road. Parents won't go for it though, lest their special snowflake(s) be culled by their own stupidity.

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>>16269958
Ah, the parents, yes. So then they don't get their kid a license for the moped. Yearly we have plenty of fatalities, bunch of dumb kids die because they have no concept of physics of self preservation and everytime the local edgeboard laughs at their mangled corpses. It's the best. Only the best survive.

That's how we get so many racing drivers from this country.

>>16269803
Teenagers drive better than most black people 2bh

Any saying "Raise the driving age" is retarded.
I learned to drive at 14 by taking my parents car in the middle of the night and hooning.
You shouldn't put curfews on driving for youths either, night is the absolute best time to learn to drive.
The main issue is really people who aren't interested in driving, if you're driving because you need to, not because you want to, chances are you shouldn't be driving.

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>>16270004
Or make the new drivers use manuals, because at least then they can't spend all that time on their phones when the cuckomatic isn't there to do all the driving.

>>16269734
T. Hypocrite Boomer.

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what does the snap say

>should we raise the driving age?

No, you should have proper training and education rather than "POINT AT THE V8 AND YELL FREEEEDOOOOM, SON AND I'LL GIVE YOU THAT LICENSE IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!"

t. yuropean

>>16270000
The quints have spoken

>>16270065
hum you might want to recount that

The fact that Americans think its hard to text and drive with a manual transmission scares me more than their propensity to text and drive with any transmission. How are they so incapable of driving? It can't just be lack of education.

Phone companies should also disable texting completely when the phone is in motion.

>>16269587
My problem with raising the age is that there are people who have to enter the workforce at an early age in order to support themselves and their families and car would be needed to help them get around where public transportation is too rural or not sufficiently timely.

>>16269841
Sounds like Sweden
The only thing that could be equal or better is Finland.
Best license courses in the world.

>>16270074
because you can keep failing the driving test and eventually pass it by complete chance since it's only 15 minutes (even if you failed like 10 times prior)

and this is acceptable somehow.

It might not do anything,
Might be a special case but, I wasn't really into cars growing up, and we didn't have money for a car, nor was I working as my parents were heavily against me working instead of studying for school or w/e, not that I minded. But that being said, I didn't get a car until this year at age 22. I have very few hours of experience, and know I drive like shit. I do what I can to improve when I realize my own mistakes, but there are somethings that can't replace actual driving experience.
For someone like me, raising the age limit does nothing as I didn't even get my learners until 18 and after that I just sat on it, no car to drive.

That being said, getting a license is abysmally easy in Cuckfornia, I did a small online course, wherein you take stupid as fuck 'tests' which quized me on stuff that was explained 10 seconds ago, so super easy stuff. And with that, I was able to provide it as a supplement for actual drivers Ed before taking my test for my learners.

From there I did a 3 session behind the wheel training which amounted to maybe 5 hours total driving, took the test at the DMV and boom, I was handed a license.

As much as I love my vehicle now, I probably shouldn't be on the road, luckily I'm slightly less retarded than the average millennial so I haven't hit anyone or anything yet, no tickets etc, but looking at my experience on paper I shouldn't be allowed to drive. Much less take the grapevine back and forth for holiday.

>>16270110
But that screws over passengers, and especially bus/train riders.

Handsfree integration helps a little. Maybe Google/Apple could work with the car manufacturers to set up some sort of area sensor that would allow a phone to know that it's being operated from the driver's seat and disable functionality accordingly.

>>16270135
Google a Swedish driving test.
It might humor you how shallow the driving tests in USA are.
I went to Sweden to study (free) and needed a license and I just asked for a driving license in English and they had it and even though I've had my license for 5 years, reading the Swedish tests was like I was 15 again.
If I could describe their driving style and tests, I'd say Pedantic and defensive drive style.
It's not a I'M IN THE RIGHT, I'LL GO BECAUSE IT SAYS GREEN, but more of a, let that retard pass even if it's red for him since I don't have time to deal with a broken car and possible time in hospital because I couldn't let one retard go on his way so I don't have to deal with his sorry ass in court, wasting my time and money.

When I came back to Florida, it felt like being in war with the other drivers.

>>16270125
Heard Finland and Japan have among the hardest tests.
What's so hard in Finland compared to other countries?

>>16270047
>dad got me a Turd Camaro when I was 15
I hate being part of the stereotype, but what can I do.

>>16270004
So people who work should take the one hour bus ride instead of a 20 minute drive?

You just confirmed my theory that says tripfags are retarded

>>16269587
lower it but haze the shit out of them
.ie Finland style

>>16269587
Yes, to 20.

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>Tfw I'm from Sweden and am still shit at driving and I pretty much only know how to drive in my own town because I know the roads inside and out

How goddamn easy is it to get your license in Burgerland? Here you can start driving with your parents when you're 16 but can't get your license until you're 18 and there's an assload of different courses and classes and tests and driving tests in poor conditions you have to pass, along with knowing what's underneath the hood of your car and knowing how to drive eco friendly and a bunch of stuff

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>>16269803
>A 2-ton lump of steel
>GTR is unironically 2 fucking tons
everytime

>>16269587
>should we raise the driving age?
For drivers under the age of 21, they should be required to verify every 6 months that they have current and sufficient auto insurance. That is, simply holding the license also requires holding auto insurance. Otherwise, too many kids under 18 drive with no insurance.

>>16269890
But giving them a chance to live is stupid. Just remove all safety features and road barriers and let nature take its course. Also fuck safety labels. Remove those too.

>>16269722
>>16269602
You should get the Darwin Axe, shitheads.

>>16270065
Third world math whiz detected.

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I started at 16 and drove just fine. I actually worked and bought the training myself, which was $170 back in 1998.

My first car was a 89 corolla, which was a piece of shit my parents bought for about $2000. But I loved it and kept up the maintenance like it was a $100,000 exotic.

My car may have been shit, but I felt blessed to be driving at such a young age. I hated riding the bus.

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>>16269587
i got my license at 18 and i wish i got it at 16 so that i would have much more experience under my belt

but with that aside...pic related

>>16270004
>I learned to drive at 14 by taking my parents car in the middle of the night and hooning.

Way to prove everyone's point

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>>16270757

>>16269841
I did all of this, passed all of the tests on first try and i'm still shit
what now huh? How can you keep people like me off the streets?

>>16270810
Chances are you aren't as shit as you think you are.

>>16269770
This desu, I hated riding with friends because they were all fucking around with each other and me. I'd get pissed and while maybe I wasn't the best driver (drove too fast for my ability), I at least was a little more aware than others. Didn't allow many distractions

I got my permit by 16 and I think I had my actual license by 18. YES It should definitely be raised.

>>16269587
He's a cunt but he wasn't driving when the accident happened, he was a passenger.

>>16269798
We don't have buses here, nor an infrastructure for bikes. I almost got killed by drivers before I had a car and rode a bike

>>16271069
Are you like from DR Congo or something?

>>16270774
Only cucked people will never hoon.

>>16271098
You're half-correct, but it really doesn't help your argument.

>>16271098
>retard thinks yelling cuck and fallacies is an argument

>>16270436
>intelligent and careful people never make mistakes
>there are literally no unavoidable accidents
>people driving around nervously and afraid will increase their skill
>people should be killed for being crashed into despite not being at fault
I swear the 16 year olds on here have the critical thinking skills of a borderline retarded goldfish

No. 16 is the perfect age. They should make driving exams harder and on actual roads and not a parking lot

>>16271080
No, a regular town in Texas. I'm 20 minutes east of Dallas in a regular suburbs

>>16271165
You forget that eurofags don't realize a single state is about the size of all of fucking europe. The idea of public transport in the US it totally unattainable due to sheer distance which drives the cost to insane levels. I could walk for two hours in a straight line and never leave my suburb.

>>16271188
Europeens also take the most ridiculous flights.
They take flights within their own country.

>>16271247
Which is, again, the size of the DFW area.

Truly fucked.

>>16269587
Let self-driving cars proliferate and driving age wont matter anymore.

>>16269831
You see, here in America you're free to brandish a firearm and drive a 1-3 ton metal cage but God forbid you touch that devil nectar, or destroy the purity of your body by having sex.

>>16269770
>and learning to drive a manual should be mandatory
>>16269770
Why? There are so little manuals in America they're irrelevant, unless you're trying to drive a big rig or other heavy road machinery. And despite all the driver training they require for operating a big rig, truckers are still massive retards on the road who speed like motherfuckers and go for 10+ hour trips if they can get away with it.

>>16269744
Yea bullshit. I'm 19 and have to commute to school everyday. Most states in the south west of the US are spread out and have shit public transport. Driving is almost mandatory.

In my country you need to take a 3-4 month scourse which will include you spending at least 35 hours with a licensed instructor on the road and then you get to your final exam which half of the people fail on the first try because you fail if you make the slightest mistake.

>>16269893
>And if the crime is victimless
Speeding is victimless until they embed themselves into another car.

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>>16269890
>>16270436
So you want to get people killed without actually addressing the problem.

>>16271280
That was meant for
>>16269780

I hate posting on my phone

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>>16269958
Mopeds are GOAT. Will get you where you need to go, will teach you how to read traffic and it's really hard to kill anyone but yourself with one.
And sikk modz for hooning purposes are cheap as shit

>>16271188
Sounds shitty. Kinda like China.
Feels good to live in a cozy little country 2bh.

>>16271357
There's good and bad. I can't stand living in huge population densities and these suburbs are already bad enough about that. I can't wait to retire out to a 30 acre parcel in East Texas and do whatever the fuck I want all day. Nobody can fault me for leaving 30 shitboxes on my lawn, and there's also the fact I'll have the space to do so in the first place.

>>16269958
>I like the idea of forcing new drivers to ride mopeds/motorcycles

absolutely retarded idea

>>16271387
And no one has to look at your shitty lawn ornaments either.

>>16271387
You should have your hoarding compulsions looked at.

>>16269734
Fuck off boomer.

>>16271390
Now you get it.

>>16271392
I'll be an old retired fuck with nothing but disposable income, I'd buy 30 blown up Metros and a forklift and play jenga with them if I wanted to.

>>16271188
>You forget that eurofags don't realize a single state is about the size of all of fucking europe.
Wrong, you burger cunts should've paid more attention in geography lessons.

Also there's no reason to waste space just because you have it, and having to walk for hours just to get out of your suburb is mainly the result of your terrible urban planning, not the result of spaciousness itself.

>>16271422
Which was fueled by cheap fuel and a post WWII economic boom. People left the cities to live in suburbs. Although now, a good number of cities are growing majorly as people, particularly young college students and professionals, move closer to their work places to reduce commutes (gentrification is a result of this). If you want a current example, look at Detroit. Everyone still sees it as a decayed center of manufacturing that has long passed its heydays and a crime hotspot, but that's because how recent it began its gentrification. Also, America is huge. The distance from Seattle to Miami is similar to London to Istanbul.

I do agree with your point about wasted space though. Long commutes suck.

>>16271422
>wrong
Texas, Alaska and California all dwarf Europe.

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>>16271387
I don't live in an area with huge population density either, but it still has public transport.
And it's not like it's hard to get a 30 acre parcel here either. My country's population density is just above that of USA, but you can get around with a bus easily.

>>16271500
I'll give you Alaska, but Texas is only slightly bigger than France and California is smaller than Sweden. And my country, Germany, is very nearly the same size as Montana.

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>>16271500
You only need to glance at a map to know that isn't true.

age dosnt really have anything to do with how retarded you are, does it?


i was retarded when i was 12, i still am at 25

i know saying "i feel like ..." makes your talking point irrelevant when it comes to something as significant as safety regulations but what else am i going to say as a fucking idiot on a chinese cartoon image board?

>>16269587
There should be a more in depth process to get your license and more restrictions on new drivers.

There should also be a periodic requalification for your license to insure you stay up to date on new laws and don't lose your capability.

>>16270436
>But giving them a chance to live is stupid.

Their parents sue the government for lack of safety. Or if it is a poor area, they file a racial discrimination lawsuit for reparation money citing that the rich white areas have better road infrastructure than the black areas.

>>16271604
I doubt anyone wins these cases against the government.

>>16271516
>California is smaller than Sweden
Sweden has a lot of ice while much of california's land is arable. But sweden has a huge advantage in not having a giant fast breeding hispanic and black welfare population that is full of crime.

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>>16271510
Don't bother breh, from the other side of the pond we're all living in Netherlands
>second most populated region of Finland, population density just above US

>>16271629
You must not keep up with world news..

>>16271656
Just avoid Malmo dude.
Real life =/= 4chan memes

>>16269893
> 1 mile over the limit - ticket
you fucking what?
>one person stops at an empty intersection without heeding the lights and then moves on - ticket

you have to teach people to respect the lights, period. otherwise, they'll do a half-arsed check, not spot a car because it's painted black or white or whatever (people can be fucking retarded) and then somebody dies.

>two people arrive at a stop sign and leave in the correct order but they don't come to a complete stop - ticket

I admit, if someone slows to less than auto-creep at a stop sign and then goes on, they should be left with a warning at most.

>someone on an empty road changes lanes without their blinker - ticket

the road sure looks empty until you hit a motorcyclist trying to overtake you from your non-driver's side.

>>16271656
Despite all the overpublicized controversies involving immigrants that are used to push agendas, Sweden's crime rate remains quite low.

We need to build a wall to keep out shit drivers

>>16269602
Hey fuck you ok, I've been driving safer than most people since I was 18.

>>16271604
>roads are racist

>>16269587
No, we should make the driving test MUCH harder.

>>16271614
>I doubt anyone wins these cases against the government.

You'd be amazed at what the government loses in highway suits in liberal states. Look at Seattle this past 2016. If racism protesters get into road traffic, they sue the seattle police department and win safety money. Earlier the year, a homeless man illegally camping in the freeway median area got run over by a drunk driver messing up using the offramp. But since the city has money, the city gets sued for compensation. Suits go on and on and on.

Here's how I think it should work in a perfect world.

>at 16 you can take a super stringent drivers ed course, and can get your license, but insurance is insanely expensive.
>at 18 you take a drivers ed course, and can get your license.
>at 20, if you can pass a written exam and a driving exam, you get a license handed to you.
>after 55 years of age, you have to go in once every 5 years and take a drive test to prove you aren't totally blind, and are still safe to drive.

Also, fuck that fucking faggot, who's parents buy them a GTR at 16 when he recently totaled a car.

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The driving age here in Norway (for cars) is 18 years old, but we have a much lower rate of people killed & injured in traffic compared to most of the world. People are terrible at driving even here, and I can't imagine what it would be with even younger and less trained drivers

Stringent drivers education will save more lives than simply raising the age, although I do think that 16, like some parts of the world has, is too young to drive a car on the open road

Here they've recently raised the age where you can directly take the license for +45hp motorcycles from 21 to 24. You can take the "A2" license at 18, which allows you to drive any bike up to 45hp, and after having that license for two years or reaching the age of 24 you're automatically updated to license "A", allowing you to drive any bike

Deaths and injuries in motorcycle accidents has drastically reduced since then

Raising the driving age wont do shit. If you're retarded at 17, chances are you'll be retarded at 20.

America seriously needs to sort out it's driving "test". That's the problem.

>>16272658
citation needed

People will keep getting injured and killed in accidents for as long as humans are in the equation. Get rid of humans and you'll see a massive decrease in the largest unnatural cause of death for people.

>>16272997
Not going to happen.

>>16273022
It's already begun. A good number of big name manufacturers like Toyota are researching self driving cars. GM has a partnership with Lyft to develop a self driving car for hire service, Volvo has already assumed liability should one of their cars cause an accident, etc.

>>16273049
It wont work in any country but America.

>>16269780
>What is work?
>What is school?
>What is not living in your parents basement?
>What is being a legally consenting adult with full voting rights?

>>16269602
>i was a fucktard so lets ban it

lol anyone that thinks they should raise the age is a fucking idiot. i'm 22 and once any faggot turns over 21 they want to raise the age for everyone to 21. bunch of autists, if i couldnt drive at 16 I would have killed a nigger

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Listen, you fucking retards. Teenage drivers are the most retarded worst drivers because they are also the newest drivers because they are still learning. WE WILL NOT get rid of inexperience and new guy mistakes by raising the driving age. What we WILL get is a bunch of fucking problems with young adults not knowing how to drive and a higher unemployment rates you fucking autistic clams.

>>16271422
We're far from the city because nobody likes cities.
>traffic
>crime
>no parking
>expensive land

That's why people like living further away.

>>16271157

Lmao where are driving tests in parking lots? Amerifucka?

>>16273196
Are suburbs supposed to be better?

>>16273060
why not? Volvo is doing testing on their home turf.

>>16273196
>long commute times
>unless you have a shit job outside the city

its better for people to have experience rather than suddenly being allowed to do it at a later age

i contribute most of my situational awareness while driving to being on the back of my parents motorcycles for tens of thousands of miles as a kid, and also listening to my dad predict exactly what people in traffic were going to do.

>>16273226
yeah you just park and back up and go forward and do some turns and you pass

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>full width text doesn't work on 4chan
>mfw
>>16270792
thanks......why tf would they edit a merch shill snap into a thumbnail about deciphering a car crash?

>>16270004
>if you're driving because you need to, not because you want to, chances are you shouldn't be driving.
except transportation and roads are made mostly for people who need to get places, racecar kids are a niche market

>>16271305
speed still isnt the "crime" here. its ramming another car. you can crash going well under the speed limit

What if driver education was actually thaught in schools? Like shop class and PE, haha.

Better graded students get to actually drive.

>>16274906
>encouraging more people to drive
it wouldn't be eco-friendly

more people driving might encourage lazy city planners to keep up with retarded suburban sprawls that make cars a necessity. I used to live in the city and I find this very wasteful now after moving into the suburbs. I also miss having a bunch of stores within walking distance.

i just got my license at 24 and it felt like everyone was driving way back in highschool

i thin a lot of you are ignoring the shit infrastrcuture in america at least, people, even young people, have to drive to live i some rural shit holes America has

<an it sounds lik it was easy for you guys to get your licenses

I got mines at 24 (this year) and that was after like multiple courses and probably 15 hours driver ed instuctions and having to take the test twice on real roads in real traffic

>>16271524
That's because people are still retarded fucks at 25, kid
Wait a couple of years

>>16269749
>Do other countries/states test on highway driving too?
Wait, what! You got a driving licence without ever driving on the road? WTF!?

>>16271668
>trying to overtake you from your non-driver's side.

I remember you're not supposed to do that somehow now

>>16271388
How so? They can only kill themselves with them.

>>16273080
Raise the voting age too, or give up on pretending that the USA is a democracy.

All age limits need to be changed.

Minimum driving age 18

Minimum drinking age 25

Minimum voting age 30

Age of consent 12

>>16277283
Kek, word
Driving should be 25 too tho

>>16269798
>public transportation
>outside of a major city
>in the United States
Yeah, no.
30 years ago was marginally better before Amtrak went under and had to close most of their stops. There is no initiative for companies to build out infrastructure or expand to places with little or no return. Government doesn't want to fund it either because raising taxes for any reason will get them kicked out of office.

>>16269601
Underrated post

>>16277283
Driving age: 17
Drinking age: 21
Smoking age: 18
Consent: 13
Voting: 30
Casino: 18

Should be the correct ages

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>>16279114
>consent: 13
/tv/ please go

>>16271127
>retards will think he was actually presenting an argument

I don't think age is really the problem here. There are mature 16 year olds and fucktarded 21 year olds. A mandatory and stringent test is all that should be required. Not just knowing how to parallel park and shit but knowing when to pull out, etc. Hell if we wanted to get sophisticated we could make them take a computer simulated driving course.

>>16279114
should be
>Driving age: 18
>Drinking age: 18
>Smoking age: 19
>Consent: 18
>Voting: 30
>Casino: 18

>>16279114

Driving age: 21
Drinking age: 21
Smoking age: 25
Consent: 18
Voting: 30
Casino: 30

This is what it should be.

>>16270205
>in california
at 15.5 you can take a written test and get your permit, lets you drive with your parent, guardian, spouse, or an adult 25 years of age or older, who has a valid California driver's license
at 16 you have to have taken a shitty drivers ed course where they teach you how to pass the test, then they give you a test where you prove you know what a turn signal is and what to do at a stop sign. If you're over 18 you can skip drivers ed and just read the handbook.

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>>16269734
>>16269602
>>16269594
>tfw driven since 14
>tfw no accidents, bumps, or even tickets
Just don't raise your child to be a fucking mongoloid and he'll be fine.

>>16269874
I laughed.

...out loud.

>tfw yurop
>Drive at 18
>Drink at 18
>Buying alcohol is limited, can't get more than 22% If you are under 20 so people dont get fucking smashed when they turn 18
Pretty good

>>16270205
Don't know about the rest of Burgerland, but here in CA it is piss easy to get a license. We don't even institute the parallel parking portion of the test anymore. People come in all the time, oblivious as all fuck, and pass the test.

This is why people from California are among the worst drivers you'll ever meet.

>>16279970
>tfw canada
>drinking age 19
>kids getting blackout drunk at 14 off of hard liquor

>all these people suggesting new ages

Age is not the issue on any of these. Ideally it should all be based off of maturity, intelligence or skill or knowledge. Age alone is meaningless; there is no magical age at which everyone is suddenly capable of doing new things, so nothing should be based on it.

>>16280008
I'm sure that's not the case literally everywhere

>>16280028
No, it really is. Coast to Coast and all across the prairies.

>>16280039
Is there a bit where sarcasm is a thing?

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>>16279114
>consent: 13
look out its the peddo patrol

>>16269841
The problem with the US is that the class consists of 9 hours of "dont drink and drive" and one hour of "heres how you drive like a human being"

>>16277283
>Age of consent 12

>>16279114
>Consent: 13

This is a good point. I do not see why people as young as 14 (in my U.S. state) are allowed to be in control of "2-ton lump of steel and glass filled with explosively combustible materials and capable of travelling fast enough to liquefy bodies on contact" as said by >>16269803.

Even stupider is that you can get a "school permit" to drive alone to school at 14.5. I am not shitting you. I lived in a rich suburban neighborhood where most of the kids got expensive brand new cars at 15/16.

Either the driving age should be raised to 18, or the age of consent/age to appear in pornography should be lowered to the 14-16 range.

I would also ban alcohol entirely, but that is another discussion.

>all these people with different ages for different things
roflmao

if you are old enough to die for your nation then you are old enough to raise a drink to your nation and have a say in who runs your nation. simple.

driving, 16... ive been on the road since i was 12 but a lot of kids are stupid so 16 averages out i guess

>>16280542
>I would also ban alcohol entirely
fuck off pedo jew cuck

>>16280542
>ban alcohol
Nah. Just teach people how to drink properly. If you puke or get hangovers, you are doing it wrong. Know your limits, and don't exceed them. Also water.

>>16269734
>Abso-fucking-lutely

Boomer detected. Go autisticly polish your corvette.

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>>16280576
>If you puke or get hangovers, you are doing it right
FTFY fuken weak cunt

>>16269749
I know here in California the DMV doesn't require it. Then again, there's illegal spics driving around here anyway so I doubt the government cares.

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>>16280604
Protip: Hangovers are caused by dehydration. Nothing to do with how much alcohol you can handle. Puking only makes dehydration worse. Educate yourself.

>>16280617
the more you drink the more dehydrated you become
no one drinks a 1l of water every hour while pissed, because they are pissed

>>16280617

You've pretty much just shown how stupid you are.

>>16280626
You don't need to drink water while drinking alcohol, just before going to bed. You don't want to wake up dehydrated - that's the cause of hangovers.

>>16280633
It helps to drink water while you're drinking too, if you're drinking for a large part of the day

>>16269587
look at amd amx.
no one wants him around in f1.

>>16280627
>No u

That's you, right now.

>>16269587
No, they should just make real driving tests.

Some 15 year olds are perfectly responsible and safe drivers.

Many 25 year olds, 40 year olds, whatever, should never have been allowed to drive. Especially in the city.

>>16281232
>Many 25 year olds, 40 year olds, whatever, should never have been allowed to drive. Especially in the city.
Good luck stopping that when we already give illegals licenses to drive.

It should take effort and skill to keep your license throughout your lifetime.

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>>16269587
No it should stay the same because you need experience to get better. When you were 16 you drove like an idiot because you had never done it before. If you changed the limit to 18 or 21 the same thing would happen, only later in life.

There should be 2 different classes of license with limits on what you can do. For example you cannot drive on the interstate at night, can only have one passenger, cannot drive a vehicle over 4000 lbs.

And I know I will get shit for this but an hp cap as well. A 16 year old kid doesn't need to be driving a 400 hp car.

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>implying I haven't been driving illegally since I was 12

>>16281408
have you ever driven outside of the US? i guarantee you they're 1000x better than we are at driving in cities

>>16280008
It's more like being hospitalized at 11 now.

>>16269606
This isn't a application for a starter job as a engineer.

"Looking to hire fresh university graduate for engineering design manager position "


"Must have minimum 8yrs on the job experience "

>>16269587
>hp cap as well
strongly in favor. fucking gooks can't drive to begin with then their rich ass ching chong parents buy them a porsche gt3.

don't hate the hp cap, hate the fucking faggot gook pieces of shit who made us need it

>>16282142
meant for
>>16281710

>>16279738
You also have to be enrolled in a driver's education course, which costs $$$. Also, it's not 15.5 anymore, it's 16.

>>16279905
>I never wrecked so no one will

>>16269854
>Because I'm jelly af and angry, therefore all these fallacies and misconceptions apply to you, but none to me

Think about the applicability of what you're saying or it might be just about time for the home, gramma.

>>16269940
>I don't like in [countries]
Also
>reaching, stretching, straining this fucking hard for country parody names
You, uh, fuckin upset about something buddy? You can talk about it.

>>16277259
The usa isn't a democracy though it's classified as a republic, so your already wrong.

>>16269587
>should we raise the driving age?
Many teens drive without insurance. So the necessity of raising the driving age may also hinge on other factors instead of the age old complaint by teens that it is absolutely necessary to drive at 17.

At 17, the typical maturity level is to hit and run. This resulted in the stereotype of the typical teenager being a hit and run driver as well as a big fat liar in any accident. I am not simply saying things as I've had responsible kids and they are now in university with cars of their own. But they've repeated many interesting tales of other high school kids they grew up with who drove like uncaring sociopaths that hit and ran frequently, had overreacting skills that resulted in hitting other cars. They'd drive too fast and hit other streetside parked cars on their sides as they made a left turn. And the stories were always of hit and run. There was never a story of their fellow schoolmates staying to take blame unless it was impossible for them to run off. Of course, in some stories, the teens treated the learner permit as a driving license. As soon as they got that, they would drive SOLO.

So 17 is not a perfect age of driving maturity. It's a great age for angsty hit-and-run teens though.

>>16270135
>That being said, getting a license is abysmally easy in Cuckfornia, I did a small online course, wherein you take stupid as fuck 'tests' which quized me on stuff that was explained 10 seconds ago, so super easy stuff.

That's because we had so many racism challenges on the California driving tests. They became super easy so as not to exclude any race from receiving a full drivers license.

>>16272962
Look it up in the news you cuck. Unless the NAACP and activists have caused bad news to be deleted. Just recently, the washington post got into trouble for deliberately deleting news showing problems by blacks.

>>16274906
>What if driver education was actually thaught in schools?
We have driver ed classes in high school, but many students choose to not take it. Many students simply want to get out of school as soon as possible. So they take as few classes as possible. Just the minimum required to graduate.

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>>16273783
>its better for people to have experience rather than suddenly being allowed to do it at a later age
Similar logic. Age of consent should be lowered to 10. This allows mothers to to gain experience than suddenly being allowed to do it at a later age.

>>16282135
Those are ads crafted to hire foreign nationals who take usa university courses. They are hired at lower wages as well.

>>16282305
You can't read or spell. Stop pretending it's democratic when it's not.

I don't think Americans should be allowed to drive at all, frankly. Or allowed to do anything for themselves, such as order food, vote, or any useful work.
Everyone is fed a healthy diet, like it or not. American economic activities reduced to giving each other haircuts or making each other calorie-free coffees.
They can't be trusted.

>>16282619
>Stop pretending it's democratic when it's not.
>I don't think Americans should be allowed to drive at all, frankly. Or allowed to do anything for themselves, such as order food, vote

You should like another bitter black lives matter movement person angry at the voting.

>>16282839
It's an asshurt yurocuck who's projecting his own stupidity onto other other countries.

>>16281994
Illegals usually aren't. Europeans can be.

>>16282839
Trump should build the wall, but put the barbed wire on the inside, and then offer free flights home to immigrants.

Then the rest of the world can enforce a no-fly zone around the USA, except for former immigrant evacuation flights. Eventually, we can start pumping the oceans in over the top of the wall, and let the fish sort things out.

>>16269587
At this point it's pretty much irrelevant, self-driving cars are here, it's only a matter of time until they've taken over.

>>16282528
Sure, why not.

10yo, can get supervised learner permit, supervised alcohol consumption, sex w/ parent permission, prostitution illegal.

16yo, unsupervised time rest riced permit, unsupervised "soft" alcohol consumption, sex w/ anyone, prostitution okay w/ parent permission.

18yo, a fucking adult.

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>>16269587

In America, they could make it so that high school teens are only able to get a license if they have a 3.8 gpa or higher

>>16277283
driving 16 supervised, 18 unsupervised
drinking 16
voting 18
consent 16

>>16284718
Fuck off, that's against freedom

>>16269587
Tanner fox is pretty inocent, I don't typical see him as a bad kid from what I've watched, but his friend who crashed the car is what ever. I watched the video and from what was described it seemed like it was a car problem, from a break somewhere in the steering linkage, pump, or even braking electronics that cause the car to directly under steer. But in reality it should not be age that should be raised, it should simply be harder to obtain a license via harder tests, more strict testing and not super slack. Because if you think about it most accidents are not the cars fault, simple the drivers non attentiveness or foresight.

>>16284785
to prove me point, it was not 150 car breaking at the same time, it was people not driving safely and attentively or with foresight to what bad road conditions could bring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fI5M6_XVk
saw this on a previous crash thread and some other places.

>>16271521
awww, you're biggest "nation" is dwarfed by a single state? enjoy the EU and your rapefugees.

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20 year old age limit for everything. Also, extend highschool 2 years with associates degree.

Driving, smoking, drinking, voting, military service, porn (lol. Yeah, right?), and consent.

>>16269587
In my country at the age of 16 you need to complete 125 hours with licensed driver in the passenger seat, at 18 you get probationary P plates that only allow you 1 passenger in the car and it is basically a "if you fuck up once you lose it" type deal, at 19 you get your green P plates which restrict you from any modified cars, no v8 cars, no turbos, no superchargers, not even a performance chip is allowed.
Then at 21 with over 4 years of driving experience you are rewarded with your full license.
We also have shit like this all over the television.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3noalme3jXM

>>16269734
Boomer please go

>>16284718
dats raciss

>>16283083
>Eventually, we can start pumping the oceans in over the top of the wall,
The USA should just stop sending free billions of dollars of foreign aid to all those countries dumping their problems on us then. As Trump pointed out during the campaign, there are lots of treaties whose terms are NOT enforced on the other country but those countries actively enforce their terms against the USA. AND they receive billions of dollars of foreign aid too. That has got to stop. Don't pay criminals to be even meaner tougher more corrupt criminals. It may be hard for Trump to stop the corrupt usa gov't staffers getting bribes, but he's got to try to shake up the boat a little here. Hopefully some of those corrupt usa gov't staffers will fall overboard or at least their "empires" will be broken down.

>>16269587
No, there are responsible people out there. It's just the shit heads that ruin it for everyone. Fuck those people in particular.

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>>16285304
lol that sucks.

I'm in Missouri(dead center of burgerland). i got my permit at 15 by taking a 25 question multiple choice test that you only have to get 20 right on.

At 16 i took a 10 minute drive with a dude from the dmv through a subdivision with speeds that never went over 25mpg. then showed him I knew how to parallel park the car.

I recently bought a motorcycle for shits and giggles and have been driving it with no license for about 3months. It has legal plates and insurance though.

one day i was out riding and i thought maybe ill just go get my permit for the bike. rode up to the test place and asked them for the motorcycle permit test.

>The lady looked at me and said you know your riding illegally right?
>I said yes that's why I'm standing here asking for the test for my permit.
>Took a 25question multiple choice test only need to answer 20 correctly to pass.
>passed and left on my bike.

getting a license or permit in the USA is a joke.

>>16285858
>The lady looked at me and said you know your riding illegally right?
heh
Lots of people drive illegally too. Teens without license or learners permit. If caught, their parents tell them to say they simply used the car without permission. Since they are kids, it is all forgiven by age 18. The kids all know to take advantage of the age 18 youth law.

>>16286196
>If caught in an auto wreck, their parents tell them to say they simply used the car without permission.
Can't sue the car owner if it was taken without permission.

>>16269587
Raise it to 18 and make the fine for texting and driving $2500

>>16269587
Yea, because all these dang kids are so much worse than the 65+ year olds that can't fucking see, the 30-something soccer parents with 14 kids in their mini vans distracting them, the drunk drivers, the dumbfuck 20 year-olds with their phones stuck in their faces, the dumbfuck everyone else with their phones stuck in their faces, all those office workers and college students trying to driver on 3 hours of sleep, and because stupidity is purely a matter of youth and magically disappears as you grow older.

No, raising the legal driving age would have incredibly marginal effects on the rate of auto-accidents. Most teenagers today don't even care to have cars, and just like everything else the average age is going up already.

HOWEVER, if the driving test was harder to pass; if you had to actually retake the thing every now and then; if there were stricter regulation of who can drive what weight/size of vehicle; and if there were harsher punishments for people who cause accidents (like losing your license for X number of years, or permanently depending on severity), then you might see a worthwhile reductions in automotive accidents.

>>16269587
We should, but then, we should also be killing the mentally unfit so they won't burden us, but we're not doing that, either.

So, we get more accidents and more tax dollars wasted. What a world.

t. mentally unfit 21 y/o who can't drive for shit and had two accidents in a year

>>16288249
Harsher punishments will only mean that the day circumstances aren't in your favor will be the day your life is placed on hold. Case in point was that I had a busy week full of family events and work and wound up getting a failure to yield ticket in another state after I wound up turning too soon and getting T-boned. The cop told me I could pay it off from home, but I can't, and now I have to worry about the shit back in that state and how I'm gonna take care of it without a plane ticket and without risking losing my license.

That shit can fuck you up. I honestly don't think further penalties would've stopped me from having that accident. It would've kept me from getting home and it would've gouged me enough to put me in the poorhouse, though.

>>16288724
You hate yourself. So what? Does that mean everyone else should have to suffer worse for an accident, something that happens to people OTHER than retards, the handicapped, and stupid kids? Something that happens to regular people too?
Fuck you.

>>16269601

And join the military. If I'm adult enough to carry a weapon into battle and kill people I don't know for muh flag-and-shit, I'm adult enough to drink and drive. (not at the same time, natch')

>>16288724
>I wanna die but I can't do it so the government should kill me for me and everybody else some bureaucrat thinks isn't good enough
Jesus fuck, go to fucking California, faggot.
There's a reason people like you are positively rampant over there.

>>16287988
Yeah they should fine people way more for shit like that.

been driving a v8 since age 16. Sue me

>>16287988
The punishment for texting while driving should be the same as DUI.

>>16270135
dude this is me, i hated driving when i was younger when i got my license mainly because i knew my ass shouldn't have been on the road, a.d.d and a ton retard friends and pretty girls who wanted to hang out because i had a car and license at 15, dumbest thing was the countless times i could have died, the upside was smashing puss on the fold down seats. Still cuckifornia needs the strict out their laws.

>>16288756
That homeopathy type "logic" has many faults in it.

>>16288750
Or just never go to that sate again. Most states don't share a database for warrents.

>>16279905
Shit, I'm a mong and I drove around just fine without a license for about a year

>>16269602
>>16269722
>>16269734
>>16269773
>>16269780
>>16269770
>>16269958
>>16271065
>>16277283
Kids make bad decisions because parents insulate them from all consequences for far too long. If you don't start giving your kid some responsibilities by the time he's 10, he's going to be a child until he's 30.
>>16269803
I had my own guns and permission to drink beers before I was 12.

>>16269587
If my name went down in history as a synonym for Law Giver
>Drinking
12. You should learn how alcohol affects you before you can legally drive.
>Driving
14 with extensive skills test, including loss of traction recovery in a spin control rig. Additional skills test for motorcycles, trailering, and vehicles above 10,000 GVW. Skills tests not waived due to age. Certain infractions should result in mandatory retaking of skills tests before reinstatement, other infractions should result in cooling off periods before skill test can be retaken.
>Hunting
12 with skills test
>Carrying weapons for defense
14 with skills and law test, 18 a human right.
>Joining the military
17 with consent of parent, 18 otherwise
>Voting
21, this was the age set forth in the constitution.
>Age of Consent
14

>>16273792
I took my driving test today and that's not ho it happened at all

>>16269739
It's not about age. It's about responsibility and maturity. 16 year olds now are not the 16 year olds of the 1970s and it just looks worse as you go back in history. In WW2 when I my grandfather was 16 he was flying a single engine Cessna up and down the coast looking for German submarines as part of the Civil Air Patrol. The Army gave him a fucking plane and sent him on his way because my great grandfather had taught him to fly. 16 year olds now are worthless fucking swaggots.

I would completely agree with a 20 year old minimum age.

>>16290237
I would agree to give children responsibilities and expectations before they graduate high school once again.

My grandfather got held back in the 2nd grade (he missed too many days helping on the farm). Can you imagine this happening now? In an era where there are schools that don't achieve 50% literacy by graduation?

Your grandfather could be trusted with an aircraft at 16 because he was trusted to do the right thing and faced consequences when he didn't. Lets bring that back, instead of extending adolescence still further.

>>16290322
>give children responsibilities and expectations before they graduate high school once again
That's definitely the better solution for this country but it's also almost entirely impossible.You cannot enforce parenting and you can't criminalize the coddling that made todays youth what they are.

>>16290184
These seem alright but tacking the age of consent on there would be sure to get any bills killed.


Leave the age of consent at 18 and just let kids be kids.

You're not fucking children, are you?

the minimum driving ages and pretty much all the other shit on your list is not because of driving skill or literally how old you are

its because you need to be of a certain mindset to make the right decisions. youve got to be mentally responsible enough for it.

>>16290237
>>16290322
I blame divorce rates. There's so many kids raised by single mothers, who don't know shit about teaching ambition, skills, and passion. In the end they just end up being mentally fucked and don't know where to go with their life as a result. Growing up without any mentor figures really shits things up.

>>16290377
>you can't criminalize the coddling that made todays youth what they are.
No, but you can let people die.

That's what it'll take to change the behavior.

>>16290522
Federal age of consent is already 16. If it's higher where you live, that's on your state.

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>>16269587
I don't think we should change the driving age. It's not fair to the people who are actually responsible and careful behind the wheel.

What I DO think we should do, is be more strict with who passes the written/practical driving test, and to administer "refresher" tests every 10 years so that people's bad habits and laziness (seriously, does ANYONE fucking signal for a turn/merge anymore?) are kept in check.

Furthermore, I believe that part of the driving test should involve getting intoxicated (mildly, maybe 3 beers' worth of alcohol) and then being tested on accuracy, reaction times, etc. so that you can have a personal blood-acohol (or THC, nicotine, whatever drugs happen to be legal in your country) limit on your record. That way, the responsible people who can handle their drinks and just need to drive a couple blocks home when they're buzzed don't get lumped in with the people who get so fucking hammered they can't walk straight or keep themselves upright and then try to go for a fucking cruise.

>>16269587
no but we should raise the posting age

>>16289700
I thought they did, though. The main reason I worried about it was because I was scared of it impacting my eligibility for a license here in California.

I hope Louisiana is one of those states that doesnt.

>>16269587

No but the driving test needs to be much harder.