choose wisely

V8 OR NOTHING
8

O
R

N
O
T
H
I
N
G

V6

easy choice

>>16240530
Which won their class at le mans

>>16240519
V8. If that were a straight 6 it would actually be a decent competition

V6 are P.O.S.
Bring me I6 against V8 that would be at least interessting.

v8

no replacement for displacement

>>16240602
Wrong.

Its start with a "t", its the small turbine thing attached to the v6.

>>16240534
Corvette won the GTE-Pro in 2015
GT won the GTE-Pro in 2016

Which one?

>>16240611
haha I was only acting retarded

>>16240519
Need more numbers to make an informed choice. Horsepower, torque, redline, fuel efficiency. Choosing either one without this information is just stupid.

twin-turbo i4

>>16240519
>800kg v8 engine
LOL? Is that a diesel v8 truck engine? A fucking LS weighs around 400 lbs which is 200kgs?
>4.0L V6
Fuck off cunt I don't want your Pos displacement v6 shit. Gimmie 3.0L Inline 6, supercharged or twin turbo.

>>16240927
>Gimmie 3.0L Inline 6, supercharged or twin turbo.
Twin scroll 3.0L I6 a best.

>6.0L v8
>attach blower
>beefy rear end
>leave "muh weight muh revs" fags in the dust

V8 because V6 sounds like shit

Why can't I v8+turbo

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Why do retards in this board belive there is no replacement for displacememnt?
If you have two 302 V8's and you turbo one of them, the turbo one will make more power

>b-but if you get a bigger engine
and if you turbocharge that bigger engine it will make more power

>>16240987
So, it sounds like the limiting factor for an engine is, in fact, its displacement?

Thanks for being retarded.

>>16241043
What are you are real retart?

>>16241043
there are way more important limiting factors in an engine than displacement

thanks for being ignant

V8
4.4L
500kg
+ twin-turbo

>>16241060
>>16241066
You can change everything about an engine, except the block you retards. You can only bore and stroke so much while you can boost to oblivion.

Displacement is the limiting factor. Otherwise giant ships would use ecoboost 1Ls with turbos the size of car wash dryer fans.

>>16240615
Only because Ford wasn't competing :^)

>>16241066
Of which you can change. That is why they say there is no replacement for displacement you fool.

>>16240519
>1800 and 1300lb engines

are they made of uranium?

>>16241112
>Displacement is the limiting factor.

its really not tho

I dont think many have ever met the limits of displacement

F1 was making 1000hp/l in the highest power days with 1.5L ffs

>>16241131
no they say it because they think big is all that matters lmao

>>16241138
this is what I thought at first

then I thought maybe it was some lightweight purpose built race car or something

>>16241149
You can only suck so much air in, and the engines can only rev so high, and compress before they blow themselves up.

Just becuase it can be done doesn't mean its a smart thing to do nor is it suitable for every application.

Bigger displacement engines are typically more reliable than smaller displacement engine making the same power.

Those 4cylinders making 1000+hp only lasted a race or two, becuase that was what they were designed to do.

>>16241149
>no they say it because they think big is all that matters lmao
Only rednecks
>F1 was making 1000hp/l in the highest power days with 1.5L ffs
Ah yes an extremely narrow power band for a specific application. Remind me again why giant diesel generators and ships use huge diesel engines? You can always add more air. You can't make the engines displacement bigger. A 4L at the same boost will always beat a 2L at the same boost when reaching other mechanical limits.

There is NO replacement for displacement.

>>16241167
>becuase that was what they were designed to do.

gee

its like that is the single most important part of an engine or something


>>16241177
>Remind me again why giant diesel generators and ships use huge diesel engines?

because torque they dont need horsepower how many high revving diesels are there anyway

>You can't make the engines displacement bigger.

thats what forced induction basically is

>A 4L at the same boost will always beat a 2L at the same boost

nope

way more factors involved than that
thats not how it works

>There is NO replacement for displacement.

forced induction

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>>16241043
No it sounds like the limiting factor is if its turbocharged

It doesn't matter what size it is, no replacememnt for forced induction

Thanks for being retarded.

>>16240611
>tarbo's don't have displacement

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>>16241213
>because torque they dont need horsepower
Confirmed for not understanding that torque is meaningless and only hp matters. Thanks for confirming I'm speaking to a retard.
>forced induction
When all other mechanical limits are hit, they only thing you can change is displacement. Not even Jesus himself could make a 1L ecoboost more powerful than a pic related. This is simple mechanics dude
>>16241218
Big surprise a weaboo tripfag is retarded. Tell me how many tarbos it takes to make more power than this?

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>>16241258
That engine would make less power without tarbos

Tarbos win again

good job being retarded

>>16241258
And for you retards who don't get it. If you add more turbos or boost, it blows up. Add more or bigger cylinders, and you are good.

You cannot change the engine you start with, there is no replacement for displacement. If a giant ass turbo diesel generator doesn't explain it to you then kys.

>>16241258
now youre just using retarded examples like some kind of autist

I like how that uses turbos too

turbos are a replacement for displacement since they basically add it

>>16241269
>>16241279
So the number of tarbos is limited by how big the engine is?

Wow. That means, there is no replacement, for displacement.

Dipshits. Stop looking at this from a hick view and look at it from a simple PV=nRT view you plebs.

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>>16241112
They do.

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>>16241288
>no replacememnt for displacement

>grab two similar engines
>turbo one
>???
>turbo makes more power

lol retard

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>>16241258
omglol

>105800cc
>4000hp

JUST

>>16241288
>really thinks every turbo is identical
>thinks the size is what determines how many of them you can have
>googled terms to use

this guy is funny

>>16240971
literally this
plus no lag

>>16240519
>800kg
>6.0L V8
Tell me more about your innovative lead/tungsten alloy engine block

>>16241305
>>16241301
>>16241300
>implying the turbo is the engine
Are you all literally retarded? You can accesorize your engine how you feel, you can't change it's displacement beyond what the block allows.

This is why we call it an engine, and not a turbo with an internal combustion engine of varying size attached.

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>>16241316
>this much damage control

literally so btfo'd he is arguing linguistics now

>>16241316
>implying anyone even said that

the fuck do you even know what youre saying anymore

forced induction is basically additional displacement

forced induction is the replacement for displacement

end of story

>>16241316
Much of what this gentleman is saying is true.
I'm positive he is some sort of car scientists so lets take his word as gospel.

>>16241177
This.

turbos aren't very good

>>16241314
Tungsten cylinder sleeves and pistons, actually. The block is an alloy of Iridium and Osmium.

>>16241321
Engine without a turbo=engine
Turbo with an engine=paperweight

If you fail to understand the linguistics and philosophical properties of the argument at hand I recommend you either go back to your trailer park or State-funded housing project where you may take free mass transit.
>>16241332
And you hit a limit that a spark controlled or pressurized combustion engine can hit. Boost is limited. Displacement is not.

How dense are all of you?
>>16241336
I'm just a mechanical engineer with a simply understanding of enthalpy, entropy, and ICEs.

The redneck meme of no tarbo is dumb, but what they say is physically factual. For reasons they don't understand.

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Also you're all fags, the answer is clearly 4L I6 with a fuckhuge turbo

>>16241379
>what is an air filter
No way that conical intake is of the proper shape. What kind of redneck fuck designed this?

>>16241360
>Engine without a turbo=engine
>Turbo with an engine=paperweight
lmao good job retard

>I'm just a mechanical engineer
confirms STEMlords are autistic

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>>16241386
Nah filters are for pussies uleh

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>>16241391
*without

Only an autist can't tell intent from what is spoken bud. That is actually a clinical symptom. I'm sure you can check off a few more.

>>16241360
>Boost is limited. Displacement is not.

theoretically neither are limited

unfortunately for you this is a car board and your generator babble is irrelevant

if you fit the biggest engine you can in a car then add FI its going to make more power than it will NA

>b-but no replacement for displacement

but oh no you cant make the block any bigger due to size restrictions

forced induction is a replacement

dwi nerd

>>16241391
pretty much

every engineer i meet are the most autistic annoying fucks ever

>>16240519
What the fuck are you making these engines out of that they weigh so much.

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>>16241401
again autist, if you grab a bigger engine than the turbo 302, and turbo that one, you will end up making more power

no replacement for turbocharging

>>16241403
>He doesn't have a depleted uranium block
It's like you actually want to have your shit twist under 150psi

>>16241402
>theoretically neither are limited
But in reality, one IS limited. And that is boost. Be it a diesel or a electronic ignition engine, the pressure it can withstand is limited. And thats that. There is no replacement for displacement.
>>16241406
And if you tarbo the bigger engine you win again. There is no replacement for displacement.

There is a limit of how much pressure you can push into the combustion chamber of an ICE.

There is no limit to how big or how many combustion chambers you have.

There is NO replacement for displacement. You can try to compensate, but in the end, the bigger engine will win. Have any of you tards passed a high school chemistry class?

Glorious turbo big I6 master race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lDNnCCj-_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vb5LwKHFDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7TIy7mTitE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAt-JrvRyBo

>>16241406
>if you grab a bigger engine than the turbo 302, and turbo that one, you will end up making more power
So, no replacement for displacement? Thanks weeb for proving my point.

>>16241424
it still boils down to it that forced induction is a replacement

you can keep chasing fantasies of 100000L engines with 1000cc 10v heads but the truth is your argument is almost completely irrelevant in the realm of cars

>>16241424
>>16241438
>and if you tarbo this big engine

that engine is still turbocharged isn't it? that means turbo wins retard, as the similarly shaped engine without a turbo would make less power

dumbass

>>16241441
A turbo 1L will never make more power than a turbo 2L. Period. No replacement for displacement doesn't mean you can't use FI dipshit. It means you can't change how much air you can input when hitting the maximum compression pressure of your four stroke engine.
>>16241451
No replacement for displacement is not a N/A v. FI thing. Thanks for being a retarded hick. Do you live in a trailer park or ride a bus?

>>16241453
>A turbo 1L will never make more power than a turbo 2L

once again he thinks all engines and turbos are equals

10/10

>>16241460
The argument is, all things being equal, a bigger displacement engine will always make more power. This is simple physics. We aren't talking about compensating. ICEs are limited by the pressure they can take before their spark plugs shoot out or they blow a head gasket. You can always get a larger displacement engine. Hence boost is limited, while engine size in unlimited.

There is no replacement for displacement, which may reach infinity while combustion pressure may not.

Have any of you fags even taken Calculus. A turbo or combustion pressure approaches a limit. Displacement is unlimited but hindered by application.

There is no replacement for displacement. This is simple math.

>>16241480
>all things being equal
All things indicates the same quality material for the internals.

The 1L will have a shorter stroke, allowing more revs, allowing a bigger turbo and making more power.

It's the reason destroked engines are a thing

>>16241494
Okay, so I take your 1L and make it 2L with the same stroke and boost.

No replacement for displacement. How fucking dense are you?

>>16241503
>Doubling capacity with the same stroke
Have fun with that.

I dont want a generic gurgling v6.

>>16241506
>Literally elongating a crankshaft
Really dude? Minimal losses from doing so overcomes the doubling of displacement and power potential.

Swallow your kool-aid like you do nightly and please stop spewing your retardation.

>>16241480
>Displacement is unlimited but hindered by application.

exactly displacement has physical limits

physical limits that can be replaced with forced induction

for a nerd youre retarded
guess its hard to think realistically huh

>>16241506
>tfw that piston size

wew

this nerd were dealing with doesnt know shit about engines and only theories

>>16241480
This

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>>16241453
>No replacement for displacement is not a N/A v. FI thing.

You utter retard, if you are going to compare tw engines, which are both turbocharged, it means that they make a lot of power because they are turbocharged, it doesn't matter what their displacememnt is, as they make power because of the turbos

nice deflection btw

>>16241530
>exactly displacement has physical limits
No replacement for displacement
>physical limits that can be replaced with forced induction
not if the same engine has the same boost
>guess its hard to think realistically huh
Ironic.

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>>16241480
>all things being equal
all things being equal, the turbocharged engine will make more power

stay btfo

>>16241549
All things being equal, the larger displacement engine makes more power than the smaller one with the same tarbo.

How dense are you fucks?

>>16241531
Thank god one person here isn't a retard. On that note I'm out, lost cause.

>>16241557
>Both have turbos

good job making your whole point moot

>>16241557
That's not how air works, nigger.

>>16241547
>No replacement for displacement

forced induction

sorry you live in denial and cant admit it

>not if the same engine has the same boost

the fuck that reply doesnt make sense

let me break it down for you

if you cant fit a bigger engine in a car then displacement is fucked

forced induction can replace displacement and make more power than youd ever be able to get out of that engine bay normally

>Ironic.

sure thing Mr. I Only Have Theories With No Real Knowledge

>>16241567
aka

I got my shit pushed in by multiple people so Im going to cut my losses and leave

>>16240519
v8

>muh ship engines
So why do they use turbo 2 strokes instead of larger displacement naturally aspirated 4 strokes?
Fucking idiotic cunt stop posting any time thank you

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>>16241573
>>16241571
I never argued N/A vs FI you niggers. The bigger FI will always bet the smaller FI.
>>16241572
Actually it does all things being equal.
Y'all are retarded.
>>16241577
>imblying I was wrong
I 2L with XXX tarbo is better than a 1L with XXX tarbo.

fin. pic related

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>>16241585
Why don't they use a 4 cylinder 2 stroke versus a 24 cylinder 2-stroke?

>>16241586
>the bigger fi will always beat smaller fi
Really? So a 4l l6 from the 70s with a turbo slapped on it will make more power than a vr38dett? Literally kill yourself Roflmao

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>>16241586
nope

not how it works Mr. Theory

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Ill take a 1.4 L v4 please.

>>16240927
An IH 6.9 diesel V8 is right around 900 lbs/410 kg.

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>>16241598
>all things being equal
Yes, it will you dumb fuck. Stop living in fantasy land and accept simple physics.
>>16241599
Cool. Remind me about this when your 1L turbo engines replace my 24 cylinder diesel generator because of ur tarbos.

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>>16241586
>gets BTFO
>w-well let me move the goalposts

not an argument, here dummy, try again >>16240987

>>16241586
>hurr all being equal
There's no such thing you dumb cunt.

Let's take one of my little turbos off my soarer and put all the exhaust from a viper engine through it and see how much the viper engine manages to make with a gigantic exhaust restriction

>>16241607
>all things being equal
So both engines being the same displacement? You aren't making any sense

>>16241406
Yeah, it's called supercharging.
>tarbo fags BTFO

i almost feel bad for the turbofags getting btfo itt

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>>16241607
>all things equal
>let me bring up my 50,000lb generators on a car board
>muh theories because I have no real knowledge

>>16241611
There is no replacement for displacement. Just like how you eat pussy to compensate for your lack luster performance. If you had a bigger dick, you'd be more satisfying.
>>16241612
KYS retard
>>16241613
Equal boost

How far up your ass are you tubofags?

I mean this is fucking embarassing. And I have a 50trim on one of my cars.

are supercucks this delusional?

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>>16241614
pic related

>>16241621
>pls pls let me keep moving the goalposts!!

not even trying not to sound like a massive autist

>>16240951
This man knows.

>>16241621
>Just like how you eat pussy to compensate for your lack luster performance. If you had a bigger dick, you'd be more satisfying.

is that what youre gf tells you when she fucks Jamal and Tyrone

now youre just projecting

>>16241621
>equal boost
Not going to happen. Learn something about forced induction and waste gate pressure thanks

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>>16241618
>muh weight
keep laughing nigger. you're still wrong.
>>16241615
There is nothing wrong with turbos. Most engines would be better with them as they improve efficiency. The problem is dipshit ITT with no knowledge of physics or chemistry. Trailer park/bus riding hicks.

That said I prefer N/A for the response, but there is zero doubt that FI is more powerful.

But...THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT LEARN MATH NIGGERS

>>16241635
>waste gate pressure
holy fucking kek. please, explain to me your backyard physics. i need a laugh before i go to sleep.

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>implying that you need more than 4 cylinders and a turbo to rekt a v8

>>16241636
>there is no replacement for displacement
A turbo 350 will make more power than an na 350 bored to 355
Stay btfo

>bbbut if we bring an entirely unrelated engine into the equation
It will make more with a turbo on it than its na version :^)

Keep going pls it's hilarious

>Thread LITERALY about big N/A engine vs turbo
>n-no it doesn't matter

how come this guy is so autistic

>>16241645
Yes, that's how your "boost" is measured fucking idiot
20psi on one engine is not the same as 20psi on another
Now kys

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>>16241636
except Im not wrong

>b-but muh theories

>>16241652
And the 355 bored over with a turbo will make more power.

Listen dipshit, the limiting factor of any engine is its displacement. Boost the fuck out of a 1L, boost the fuck out of a 5.7L. The boost is a variable with a limit, displacement is limited by your engine. If you don't understand simple math, then enjoy your blue collar job.
>>16241660
>i'm literally retarded
Humor me and tell me the differnce.
>>16241666
Humor me and tell what is mathematically wrong. I dare you. PV=nRT

If that means nothing to you piss off.

>>16241678
>He seriously believes 20psi of "boost" through a 1.8l 4cyl and 7l v8 is the same deal
Roflmao all posts of yours are now considered utter trash
Thanks for wasting 20 minutes of my times

>>16241678
I dont care about your scientific babble bruh

all you have are theories and equations

youre still retarded and know nothing outside of them

>>16241726
its been hilarious tho

>>16241726
>He seriously believes 20psi of "boost" through a 1.8l 4cyl and 7l v8 is the same deal
Uhhh the 7L wins? Are you high or retarded?
>>16241733
Just for the hell of it, tell me your level of education and what union protected trade you are in since you are unemployable in any job that requires mental capacity.

Then tell me what PV=nRT means.

>>16240519
My v6 pony car > v8 pony cars

So of course the v6

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As a hot-blooded american I want to say the V8

But the Grand National fan in me wants to say the turbo 6.

I'm so confused.

>>16241748
this guy is still going on making himself look stupid

youre the one with no mental capacity all you can do is look at equations and regurgitate what a book told you

youre hardly a person at this point lmao

do you even have any real knowledge?

of course not

>>16241773
No replacement. For displacement.

And I'm a no turbo no care fag.

KYS.

>>16240987
>wanting your engine to blow up prematurely

>>16241678
And the turbo 355 will make more than an na 427 which when turbod will make more than an na 454 etc etc
Stay btfo and literally grasping for straws

>>16241782
I bet you wish I would kill myself so youd have one less person on the planet knowing how fucking stupid you are

like holy shit

you dumb reposting shit form books dont make you smart

>>16241288
You've actually achieved what "Coolant in oil pan/ oil in radiator" guy could never do, which is convince me that he wasn't baiting and is actually a seriously mentally handicapped individual. Please leave

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>>16241316
you're actively shitting on what you've already said haha
>mfw DAMAJ KOnTROL

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>>16241360
>Turbo with an engine=paperweight
IM LITERALLY DEAD
I am in a world of surreal neurological pain

>>16241792
>>16241790
And the tarbo 427 would make more than the tarbo 355.

What part of this do you not understand?
>>16241813
Explain to me the importance of combustion pressure in an ICE and I'll kill myself and your little sister on livestream

>>16240951
Best

>>16241837
*out
stop samefagging bud.

>>16241845
So what the hell is BMW doing lately? Variable vane I understand, but why not two? $$$?

>>16241838
And the turbo 427 would he more powerful than an na 454 or whatever
What of this are you not understanding?

Besides, a turbo will always do better than boring an engine to its physical limitations

>>16240519
V8. V6's are way more likely to trash a crankshaft.

>>16241942
and a turbo XXX will do better than a turbo 427.

what part of limits do u not understand?

>>16241979
>and a different engine would
Irrelevant
Turbo sees more gains than over boring ever would
Stay btfo

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>>16240522
>>16240519
>>16240530
>>16240554
>>16240582
>>16240595
Turbo 4 banger

>>16241269
You are actually retarded. Maybe even more so than Frosty.

>>16240602
>no replacement for unlimited displacement
>other than limited simulated displacement

It's a substitute, not a replacement.

>>16241177
is that why all them racin cars use 10L W12's?

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>>16241649
>Mitsubishi killed the Evo so they can focus on bullshit like EVs and Crossovers

>>16242228
because making riced out sedans is so much better

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>>16242237
yeah it is

>>16242243
not for business

>>16242245
>implying mitsubishi was losing money on evos

>>16242250
mustve been if they discontinued it or it wasnt making enough

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>>16242237
Shut your dumb face

>>16241305
Whoa, four alternators?

I choose NA throttle response, even if it means less power...

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>>16240519
rotary > all