Camaro vs Mustang

You can see out of a Mustang

>>16185002
camaro is the faster, funner car.
mustang is the daily driver

>>16185020
This. The Camaro is also more reliable.

>>16185015
First post is best post

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>>16185002
the fuck are those euro mirrors?

>>16185030
required for different EU regulations.

Camaro would be better if it was in the 4th gen bodies where you can actually see. There's no point to driving a car you can't see out of, never mind aggressively driving them.

Every mustang I've driven has been a boaty piece of shit nofunallowed but at least there are windows and windshield.

Think the Mustang will get a refresh where it's made out of aluminum to lower it's weight?
Because the Camaro weighs less and makes more power and really only has its visibility going against it

>>16185015
>>16185064
everyone shits on camaro visibility when in reality, there are plenty of cars out there with just-as-shit blindspots. thats the only thing that camaros have a problem with.

>but the roof is low and you cant see up
wtf you looking up at, the fuckin sky? you dont need to see sky. other cars are on the road. you are not an airplane trying to spot traffic above and below you too.

>>16185025

thats debatable

Its also good having a black car that doesn't fade to poo brown after a few months

>>16185092
Defend it all you want but sit in it and it is simply unjustifiable. You can cover the windshield with the palm of your hand.

>>16185101
>thats debatable
look up ALL the problems people are having with the Mustang's Ecoboost turbo engine, then compare to the number of problems with the turbocharged ecotec Camaro.
Camaro is more reliable.

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Challenger

>>16185092
what modern car has the same issues as a camero?

>>16185197
Back to Facebook with you.

>>16185002
they cost $55,000 AUDollerydoos here, much better than the price used to be but fuck me why would you ever buy one when the falcon costs less and is more car.

>>16185211
i drove my dads '12 altima and i could see exactly as well out the rear driverside as a camaro.

>>16185108
what exactly do you need to see anything not on the road for? are you dodging falling rocks while driving in the mountains or something? the blind spots are really bad, but a simple 2dollar fisheye mirror stick on solves that issue.

>>16185189
lol

Challenger for me

>>16185257
Either Nissan has just been dropping the ball all over the place or you're lying, because that rear window in the camero is absolutely awful.

>>16185281
Ever sat in a 350z or 370z? Pillars fucking thicc

Sat in a 2016 mazda3 and was so disappointed in visibility. New safety standards are ass. Lots of new cars are bad for it.

>>16185281
they both have tiny little back windows and the seatbelts are drawn across them and obscure what little view they provided... bottom line you gotta move your head or have one of those little $2 fish-eye stick on mirrors on your mirror.

the nissan has way better forward vis above the horizon but... again, why need to look up? youre not looking at the sky when driving and thats the only thing the camaro has against it other than its shit rear left view.

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>>16185298
350z twice and yes they are, guess the 370 has the exact same problems, glad I have never owned a Nissan. That's sad that you have problems seeing out the ass of a hatch, that's what I like about the older ones.
>>16185306
Normally when I'm backing up, I like our my rear window like a normal person, maybe I'm in a small bubble with the cars I drive, but it seems ridiculous to try to look behind either parking or looking whose behind me and can barely look out the window. that's unacceptable, and it isn't just the rear window in the Camero either, the entire visibility spacing throughout the car is awful, why the fuck can I see through the mustang and challenger so much better when they are only 1-2 inches higher? Those fish-eye lenses suck balls.

>>16185347
It was a sedan.

>>16185347
look out*

>>16185366
But that's still sad.

>>16185118
>Buying 4 cylinder "muscle" cars

>>16185347
i dunno man, i drive vans and fly planes, if you get out of your bubble you realize a lot of situations you just have to do something different. there isnt always a back window to look out. the fact that the camaro has one and its better than your average ferrari or even lotus, i just considered it satisfactory. besides, between mirrors, the back window, and the backup cam, you have all bases covered at least from two of those options.

i get that its an easy thing to hate on tho.

>>16185403
At least we can agree on that, and your right, it is easy to hate on, it's just new and unsettling to everyone who drove the older versions.

I love ford and have owned 3 mustangs but God damn the new camaro lap times are ridiculous. The ZL1 actually shit on top supercars. Besides that, If I were to buy one, I like the Mustang looks over the camaro.

>>16185118
Literally no one mentioned the eco boost.

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>>16185092
Gm design is garbage, from front to back
Pic related

>>16185703
Did they purposefully put the hinges in the wrong place and then design the entire trunk space around that?

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>>16185377
here in this europoor country 4cyl is about 20 000€ cheaper than v8

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>>16185002
>that pic
>implying

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>>16186188
Pretty close to our prices here in Sweden
Base model price from:
MANual: $42329
Autotragic: $44270

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>>16186188

>>16186197
>Those lakkopippo prices.

>>16186200
lakkopippo????????
what
what does that mean

>>16185092
>w-why would even want to see anything but the horizon
frigg off, their design is fucking retarded and cannot be defended

>>16186203
>Finland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5fQZhv0poU

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>>16186194
Looking at these prices it almost good to live in swedistan, but then you remember it's full of feminists and immigrants who would allahu ackbar your american car when they see it

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>it's a 'Europe is one country' episode

>>16186188
>>16186194
>>16186197
In germany, the prices for the base models also range from around 35 000€ to 45 000€

But for some reason, the Mustang is absurdly expensive in the Netherlands. The base Ecoboost model costs 53 000€ and the base GT costs 109 000€.
Can any dutch Anon please explain why that is the case?

>>16186232
BECAUSE THEY'RE SILLY CUNTS

>>16186232
Im not dutch but i guess it just caused by taxes. Like the finnish picture i posted, you have to pay 35-40k as a tax for the v8 and 16-27k for the ecoboost

>>16186285
Sometimes I think the USA is going down the toilet, but then I see shit like this and get a testosterone-like surge of patriotism.
>There are actually countries so cucked that you have to pay more than the car's worth in taxes just to own a V8
God fucking bless murrica

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>>16186304
Sometimes i just look car prices to cause even more depression to myself

>>16186326
Autoveroton hinta= price without tax
arvioitu autovero= estimated tax

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>>16186230
this

there are still taxes you need to pay after buying it though
At the moment, you pay £1,120 in tax for the first year and then £515 for the years after that.

They are changing it in April though, meaning if you buy a Mustang GT from April 2017, you pay £2000 in the first year, then £140 in the years after that. so if anyone is planning on buying one now, it makes sense to wait a few months and save a load of money.

There's also the £20 to £40 yearly inspection once the car reaches 3 years old, but if you actually look after your car it will never fail. Even then, if it does, I believe you're supposed to get a free re-inspection within 7 days (or the garage I've been to is just nice)

There's also insurance. If you're 19 like I am, it's going to be £5000+ for a year if you live in a good area.
If you're 50+ like my dad you can insure everything from a diesel Polo to an Audi RS4 for under £400. The GT came out at £383 for him

>>16186304
In the UK, the GT is stupidly popular. Virtually every single new Mustang I've seen is a GT.

>>16186356
I've seen 3 new GTs in Scotland so far, and I don't even live in Edinburgh/Glasgow.
So weird seeing Mustangs in RHD. Not as big as I expected them to be either.

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>>16186326

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>>16186232
I'm dutch,

it boils down to
NO FUN ALLOWED.

You drive a tesla for less than a mustang.

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I appreciate both cars and test drove them both before making my final decision.

>pic related

The Mustang is a great car, The seats were comfy the lay out was easy to figure out immediately you could see out to your blind spot by turning your head.

But to say the visibility is great is a bit of a reach, At least forward the hood is long and quite bulbous itself so figuring out where the end is takes a bit of getting used to.

The car I test drove and nearly bought was a 2016 GT Premium, 6 spd, 401A with non recaro's (if it wasn't for the shady dealership, i would of bought it)

The clutch was very numb and soft, the shifter felt alright but I didn't have any issues driving it (no stalling or anything) and the suspension was a bit softer than I'd like for a performance pack, You could feel some body roll in the sharp corners but it wasn't really bad... It was definitely Mustang if you've ever driven the last generation.

I test drove and ultimately bought a Camaro... I drove the 8 speed automatic first (bought 6 speed manual) and liked it, The shifts were lightning quick and it didn't feel like it was hunting for the right gear like most other automatics.

The suspension felt tight and the mag ride control did a great job at switching between soft to harsh, the steering is very direct and reminded me a lot of my 370z where the slightest input had immediate response on the front wheels.

Visibility is pretty bad, but its not great in the 370z either... I'm used to having a bad blind spot, I just adjust my mirrors to where i'm not seeing my car in them so I can see my blind spot that way... I'm having a hard time finding the nose in parking spots so it has that in common with the mustang but I don't feel blind driving it and besides the rear view camera I think the blind spot sensors are not necessary on it.

Everything the Mustang is, the Camaro is just a step or 2 above.

>>16185703
i can fit an entire wheel/tire in there. i dunno what more you need

>>16186232
It comes down to CO2 tax and 21% sales tax. Basically V8 is in the highest CO2 tax bracket so the price gets pretty much doubled, and then 21% sales tax goes ON TOP OF THE GRAND TOTAL.

The Ecoboost, meanwhile, sits in a lower CO2 tax bracket, so it doesn't get fucked as bad.