The Grand Tour

I talked to a person who was in the recording in Stuttgart and he said that TGT is pretty much like the old Top Gear but with much more money thrown at it.
And there are no laughtracks it was actually funny.

Who is this?

The glasses completely obstruct his face, you can't be sure this is May.
This man is completely anonymous.

Nah, I'm going to bed.

Boy, I can't wait to pirate this tomorrow.

Link?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B01J94A5GQ/

IT'S OUT

I just finished it.

verdict: meh

Any pirate options for it?

>1:54.2
>1:54.4
>1:55.5

>>16178425
dude spoilers

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>tfw missed the /o/ stream thread

Fuck, I thought it was tomorrow...

>>16178441
spoilers: its actually amazing

>>16178968
you didn't miss much

I'm not sure how I feel about it.

It was better than the worst Top Gear eps of the past 5 years, but no where near the best ones.

Some of the editing was REALLY bad. Just film grain, noise, and saturation annoyingness.
The cameras they used, while clear, ended up with a lot of washing out from bright parts, like the windows out their tent, and over saturation that might have been poor editing.

It's not bad, but not as good as I hoped and I didn't really have super high expectations or anything.

>>16179234
I'm guessing it's going to get better as the series goes on, and they learn what works and what doesn't.

>>16179518

>what works and what doesn't.

After 23 seasons of Top Gear i'd have thought they'd have a pretty good grasp of that.

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Spoiler : SUPERCAR SUPERCARS SUPERCARS OMG SUPERCARS

Me : yeah okay I guess,

>>16179610
There's also the fact that they can't use too closely what works in Top Gear in case the BBC sets the lawyers on them.

>>16179610
>>16179643
They've also been out of it for a while, they probably need to warm back up again.

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That audience member that single-handedly roasted the shit out of clarkson and the entire british air force combined

>>16179702
typical amerifat too.

i don't like how the whole crowd isnt mostly in the dark ya know?

i liked that about Top Gear.

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>My teeth-fu

>>16179850
tfw stared at her every time the camera allowed

>>16179234
Well, they Did have to throw together a completely new film crew In about 6 hours, and IMMEDIATELY start filming everything.
Also new producers and crew (or is Andy there? To lazy to check) and editors and whatnot.

So YES. It will not be the same as top gear, even with the same stars. But YES, it will get better.

I just liked the CONSTANT references and jabs towards the BBC, and nu- top gear

>>16180016
>Well, they Did have to throw together a completely new film crew In about 6 hours, and IMMEDIATELY start filming everything.

explain

>>16180025
Amazon hired them like a year ago. And now they are set to release 12 episodes over the next 4 months. Most of which, has already been filmed.

I have a general idea of what it takes to film such a thing, and they will have been working constantly, back to back, very focused and scheduled, just to make it this launch.

>>16179850
>delicious chocolate

any rehosts?

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>amazon wants $80 to watch it.

fuck exchange rates.

intro is corny

Mike Skinner was shit.

>all these complaints

It was more Top Gear. It was great. Fuck you.

>>16180176
>amazon wants $80 to watch it

Then sign up for the monthly plan if you can't afford it.

>>16180221
>Mike Skinner was shit.

Kinda, yeah. It's probably more entertaining to people outside the US.

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>>16177836
Found me giving James May a high five.
I'm also very happy with the new episode format.

>>16180479
is that a Roush?

>>16180487
It's modified by Roush. But how could you tell?

>>16180503
Says ROUS right on the back sperg.

>>16180509
But that could mean anything. Rouse? Rousseau? Roustabout?

>>16179610
>After 23 seasons of Top Gear i'd have thought they'd have a pretty good grasp of that.
The needs of the BBC versus the needs of Amazon.com are different. Those needs can dictate certain content changes later on. But they know they have to make it similar enough to attract the audience and then hold them in the first few episodes at least. I'm curious as to if they will have any sort of cross-services promotion or product shilling on Amazon's behalf.

I just got around to watching it. I thought it was fairly well produced all in all. Didn't care for the long ass Forza looking cuts, but everything else was real alright. I'm looking forward to following the rest of the season.

>>16180176
http://zamunda.net/banan?id=495259&hit=1&t=tv
:^)

>>16180479
Did you get to touch the James?

I'm jealous.

It's going to be a fine show, but in terms of the hypercar test, Harris did it better.

>>16180176
http://www.watchseriesgo.to/link/thevideo.me/7508942

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P1 on P3

>>16179850
I want to glide my finger over the top of her teeth and feel how even the surface is.

those top mounted exhausts get me rock hard

>want to mod my aw11 for it so bad

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>member when top gear was good?
>i member!

felt like catching up with old buddies, was good.

>>16180658
The time when zamunda wasn't available outside Bulgaria.
>Good times

>>16180906
The time before zamunda split

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>>16180658
thanks anin

>>16180820
this makes my penis sad.

Will repost what I wrote in the other thread didn't realise there was an older one.

If new Top gear didn't have Chris Evans there wouldn't be much in it actually imo. I had to skip the air force and celebrity death segments entirely they were so cringily unfunny. Everything in it felt like they were trying too hard, hopefully they settle into a more natural rhythm but for now I'm pretty disappointed.

Cinematography was amazing as ever though and the intro was 10/10.

>>16177874
Good old TG or bad (last ~3 seasons) old TG?

>>16180941
i dunno, there were some shit moments but the celebrety death was pretty funny.

i think the new test track is shit though.

Also; if the new topgear featured more chris harris it'd probably be alot closer. i like him a lot (despite his history)

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I'm surprised they didn't tinker with results of the big 3. McLaren P1 always won in british journalists tests and 918 always won in independent tests. But I think that Ferrari cheated though. Maybe they upped the boost or something. Out of the 3 I'm pretty sure it's the slowest one and nowhere near as close to 918.

All in all it definitely has some of the atmosphere of the old show. Maybe the fracas was for the better, as in the last few years Top Gear felt pretty stale.

I miss the challenges, but I'll take it from the various clips and the coming-up montage we'll get that. It looked beautiful and I'm sure they'll get more into the swing of things as it goes along. I'm satisfied.

Unironically think the next series of Top Gear will be better than this. Reminded me of the experience I usually get watching a Disney blockbuster actually, it just seems to have no soul anymore. I mean it was impressive but with every attempted joke it felt more and more like a script designed around a focus group they had with Top Gear fans to see what they might want.

I just want a good car show, with passion for the cars and some humour, not this soulless production, and I really hope Leblanc and Harris can finally deliver that without Evans shitting all over it.

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>>16180953
Chris harris has driven all 3 around the same track.

(its hinted at the episode of Chris Harris on Cars that the top grand tour team were actually there on the same day.)

>>16180961
>>16180953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3YPTkBRaOk

honestly i feel CHOC did the battle better... but then they gave the event more screen time and editing.

>>16180820

Cant wait for the result of the bet.

I liked it. Some of the studio bits felt a bit forced but they did from time to time in Top Gear as well. It looked amazing and I liked Clarkson's film in the M2 a lot.

I can't wait for when they start doing fun things in shitboxes.

>>16180961
>>16180964
Chris Harris is british, don't be naive. He would let McLaren do anything with the car.

>>16180945
Celebrity death was funny, and a funny way of them acknowledging the least popular part of the show.

Air force bit might be funny to communists.. it is an international show after all.

Top gear is trash, it's a reality TV show that happens to sometimes involve cars.
Top gear is what "car guys" who actually know nothing about cars watch, just a waste of time.

I just want them to do crazy shit with old used cars.
I couldnt care less about celebrities.

>>16181055
The trailer show that its on the menu, they just needed to be really flashy in the first few episodes.

>>16181027
? whats that got to do with anything?

>>16181053
>it's a reality TV show
Wut

It's entertainment featuring 3 guys dicking around with cars, and they know that

>>16181055
>I just want them to do crazy shit with old used cars.
In every interview I watched with them they said that their favourite was old cars. So I'm sure it's coming.

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I searched around but I could only find shitty 720p torrents. Wasn't this shot at 4K or something?

>>16181053
You know what's also a waste of time? Bitching about it on 4chan when you could be doing something productive with your life

Faggot

>>16181086
>>16181114
Yeah i know thats why Im happy

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Who shot the drone though?

>>16180532
Anybody that worked as a roustabout wouldn't proclaim that they were one.

>>16181121
Private trackers have the 1080 just now.

Awfully scripted jokes and game CGI tier shots of the cars, Ben Collins doesn't do the laps afterall, ages of screentime wasted on the bad kind of cringeworthy British humour. It really felt like Clarkson, Hammond and May had absolutely zero say in what they were to say.

>>16181210
Is Collins not going to actually do it? Collins is bro

>americans get assblasted the thread

Boring episode thanks to the yanks

Next week sounds awesome.

>>16181254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLlqVy4ByWQ
It looked like it and would've been a nice touch, given that he was shitting on Top Gear and the BBC before it was cool. But as they said on the show, Amazon wanted an American driver, and I'll bet the guy at Amazon with the wad of money in his hand made 99.9% of the decisions, down to the choice of words.

>>16181136
guns

>>16181090
that in any other tests than british, 918 was always faster.
Also P1's nurburgiring lap times remains undisclosed. I wonder why.

THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN ACTUALLY DID IT

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/09/jeremy-clarkson-blows-up-his-old-home-to-make-way-for-new-cotswo/amp/?client=safari

call this scripted you bitches

>>16181368
I remember seeing that back when it happened. pretty funny that they tied it into the show

>>16181377
Lol.

i missed his shenanigans

>>16181368
>Villagers in nearby Chadlington said Clarkson and his team were in the area filming for his new Amazon TV show The Grand Tour this week.

>>16181384
he still blew up a 4 million pound house on a whim

absolute madman

do you think he would side with trump?

Jezza for PM?

BBCREXIT

>>16179234
That is how it works when you shoot inside and outside its a fucking desert with bright sunlight.

Unless they brought fuck huge 10,000w+ lights and lit the entire inside as bright as the sun, you are going to have inconsistent backgrounds.

The editing is just like they used to do on the old TG, they picked a certain style and ran with it.

Although since they used that one song from sicario I immediately liked it all.

>>16181210
Agreed, it felt more like a BBC show than their BBC show. Crazy.

felt like seeing old friends again. very good.

>>16177836
I think the episodes will get better. A lot of the show was setting up the format.

They had to explain that they weren't going to have celebrities, the Jeremy Renner thing was pretty funny, didn't think they needed anymore than that

They needed to explain the track and all of it's turns.


I do wish they would've completely dumped the studio thing, and just done long films

>>16180820
I was really suprised by that. I feel like the driver fucked something up at some point on the track. The speeds that they had over the rest of the course were suggesting that the P1 was going to smash the other two

>>16181042
I fucking hated the celebrity part. I would just get up and do something else when that came on

>>16181601
>completely dumped the studio thing
Because that worked quite well for ATG

>>16181607
In the next episode, you'll see Hammond handing Jerome a few bills in exchange for his cooperation.

i just hope there isn't much more supercars. this ep started getting boring half way through. watching 1 bajillion dollar sterile cars looses its fun really fast

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>all this bitching about the hypercars

This was the big cliffhanger from the final season of Top Gear. Of course they had the match up as the first episode.

>>16179702
Was obviously scripted pandering, is part of what made the episode feel so forced.

>>16179850
i would fuck this qt sand nigger desu

>>16181053
>Top gear is what "car guys" who actually know nothing about cars watch

>tfw I had TV and internet set up in my workshop so I could watch TG while building my engine

>>16181748
>is part of what made the episode feel so forced

Wait. You're telling me they didn't get into a knock down drag out fight with their studio audience?

Fuck man. I've never felt so misled. It's almost as bad as if I'd learned that Santa isn't real.

>>16181368
>"There was a funeral being held at the village at 2.30pm, which was still on when the explosions started."

kek

>>16181743
Welp time to rewatch

>>16181391
They're the same sort of people - alpha males, so I would imagine they would find a mutual language (especially because both talk in english)

>>16181779
They are basically the same in personality and looks as well.

Trump as guest star when?

>>16181759
Don't even joke about that, nigger
Santa is real

>>16181651
ATG is shit though, because of the people, not the format.

Some of my favorite episodes are the specials, and episodes like the australian episode, where it's heavy on the film, light on the rest of it.

I want to see them driving through cool places, destroying their cars, pulling pranks, and being friends.

>>16181053
>incredibly scripted
>it's a reality TV show
It's quite clear why you don't enjoy it, furry.

>>16181860
Well, yes.
But that gets overwhelming.
The funniest parts are when they are all sitting down in the studio arguing over something.

>>16177874
Aaaahhh it was already in Stuttgart?

How the hell did people get tickets? I did that amazon thing but you sure as hell don't get anything

>>16181921
I guess it's subjective.

I always thought the funniest parts were out on the road. I liked the RV episode, where jeremy built the 3 story tall RV. Or the bolivia episode driving through the atacama desert.

I didn't like the burma one though

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>>16180721
Yep, this is his autograph. Got to shake hands with all three of them, actually.

>>16181922
I did it and got all my friends to do it. My best friend was selected and we got to go. Trick is to convince as many of your friends to apply as you can. They said they had over 4 million people apply for tickets though. My understanding is that people were applying from all over the world.

>>16181922
>How the hell did people get tickets?

They announce the ticket givaways on the official Twitter account.

>>16182053
lucky bastard

>>16182053
Just curious, why James May?

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>>16181368
clarkson scares me

I didn't even bother watching any segment of the episode. I just could not give a shit about anything they were doing.

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>>16182146
May drives a BMW i3, so I had him sign my BMW shirt. I also had Jeremy Clarkson sign my cigarettes because he smokes like a chimney.

>>16182366
You should've got Hammond to sign a lawn gnome or something

I liked it, I wish those 3 could come to Florida.

But it's so fucking boring to drive here though.

A friend of mine was on that track in Portugal to drive those cars, and he said the P1 was the best by a pretty large margin. I guess the tires really do make a big difference.

As a Britfag, i now fully understand why Americans think we all have bad teeth after seeing Clarkson and, to a lesser extent, May in HD without the usual BBC bluish filters,

>>16182430
They did go to florida though. I think they went to miami and bought cars. They drove them through the south, where they triggered the people down there by writing "hillary clinton for president" "Nascar sucks" "Man love rules OK"

They finished the journey in an area taken out by katrina, and the uppity blacks were so egotisitical, they wouldn't even accept a car given to them for free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcJ-0bAHB4

Will there be celebrities on the show in the future?

>>16182477
no, I think they were insinuating that they were going to kill that segment. I'm glad too. i don't like that part

>>16182494
This.

The celebrities segment was always shitty. Hopefully we get more British tier bants and more doing crazy shit with cars.

>>16182477
I sure as shit hope not

I always fast forwarded past that segment on netflix. It was boring and frustrating to watch.

>>16177836
I hope they have something like The American, The French, The Japanese

That would make it more interesting imo

I posted an open invitation on /o/ a few months ago for the filming of the opening scene in the desert but only one guy responded. We hung out for the entirety of the day and the hosts mingled in the crowd while Clarkson's favorite band played on stage. The anon that took up the invitation got a WAT sticker signed by May
>>16180479
Which take was this? I was next to the red mustang on the first and the white on the second so I was somewhere next to you depending

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>>16179850
Absolutely fucking gorgeous
I'm guessing the guy behind her that had his hand on her is her bf.
Lucky motherfucker

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>>16182598

>>16177836
fucking garbage

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This lucky fat fuck

>>16182647
>>16182619
>>16182598

They still plant a pretty girl behind Clarkson at all times. This must be on his request, since they have a new production team and all.

>>16182472
When they loaded cow carcass on the roof of Jeremy's Camaro and it started pouring its juices into the car was one of the greatest TG moments ever.

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>>16182663
Are all native americans this hot?

The whole bit with the [spoiler]celebrities all dead[/spoiler] seemed a bit forced

>>16181027
this
that fucking mudblood is proud as fuck he's british
let me remind you that he's butthurt about miata because it BTFO british roadsters when it came out

you know you fucked up when you get mad at that gay little car

>>16182683
Well shit

>>16182666
That was fucking awesome, and checked

>>16182678
She's not native american. She's probably a poo (from india)

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>>16182692
I highly doubt that
Her eyes and facial structure are more inline with a native

>>16182692

I'm going for Pacific islander or Inuit. More likely Islander considering they're in California.

>>16182477
I'm hoping a different celebrity gets killed in a different way each episode like Police Squad

>its a supercar episode
If it wasn't for the presenters it would be unwatchable

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>>16182712
>>16182678
While you are arguing about that, I have chosen my grandtourfu.

>>16182768
Why are supercar episodes a problem? Hate fun?

It was good. It was like the best bits of Top Gear but mixed with some new ideas and a shit load of cash to keep the formula fresh. If the out of touch BBC don't regret letting them go already they should do now.

>>16180827
>The blue jet like flames that shoot out
HNNNG

>>16182678
Interesting. I don't think she would be considered hot where I live (polan). Gotta live in dat ethnic kettle like usa, to appreciate exotic woman.

>>16182829
those 3 cars have been done to death by every automotive show

It was great. I loved it.

>>16182905
>>16182829
kinda agree 2bh. I don't really care too much about super cars

they're fast and i'm sure amazing but gimme the shitbox/travel episodes

>>16181612
Well it's a good thing they are dropping it. Celebrities will never be able to drive around the new track.

Not sure how I feel about this new track

>>16179234
>The cameras they used.... washing out from bright parts, like the windows out their tent
You must be completely fucking retarded if you think it's possible to shoot that situation without either underexposing the SUBJECT MATTER (people) or overexposing the view out of the window. What do you propose they do? Make the window out of a giant -3 ND filter for the desert so its exposure matches the crowd? Nobody really cared about that, so they didn't bother, it was a backdrop and didn't need to be clearly detailed and perfectly exposed.

But you obviously know nothing about photography or videography.

>>16182950
Pretty sure that new track is about 10 miles away from where I live. Might go and have a snoop round.

I liked it a lot, but the sound editing was honestly crap at some points.

>>16182979
I didn't notice any problems aside from the unnecessary sound effects here and there

>>16182950
Same, I'm not sure about the track and I'm not sure about the driver. The Top-Gear-Makes-Fun-Of-Americans thing is funny sometimes but that just wasn't. It was forced.

>>16182950
it's pretty good in my opinion

pretty technical track with just enough straight to not favor any type of car and has segments with rougher asphalt so track whores that are complete shit on the normal roads will get punished at least a little bit

>>16182979
it was fun, and I'm glad they are ditching the celebrities. While it was neat on Top gear, it WAS the slowest part of the show, and it tended to drag on a bit, although i did enjoy having a celebrity talk with Clarkson about their car history, THAT was nice.

But for the new show, ditching it was for the best. it's got the extravagant filmed segments, the laps around a track, and a brief news segment. it's perfect. I look forward to seeing what they do next.

>The American
>chubby nascar driver
>star spangled raceing suit
>anything that isn't a RWD V8 is communist
>his comments in the car

my sides were in orbit. top tier bantz. Also that bit at the start with the terminology.

>what is this?
>Audience: A truck!
>no, it's stupid.

>>16183006
>it was fun, and I'm glad they are ditching the celebrities. While it was neat on Top gear, it WAS the slowest part of the show, and it tended to drag on a bit, although i did enjoy having a celebrity talk with Clarkson about their car history, THAT was nice.
SIARPC was a segment that was complete shit 80% of the time, and had the occasional gem. People like Gordon Ramsay, Jimmy Carr, and James Blunt made the segment entertaining, but it was usually a snorefest

>>16183006
yeah, that segment with fat nascar driver was great
i don't know why some people on /o/ are saying they were trying too hard
all you have to do is to you remove "it's communist" with "it's shit" and you have /o/ incarnate

>>16183057
>i don't know why some people on /o/ are saying they were trying too hard
because they were. It seemed forced. The usual passing remarks making fun of americans are funny but when you design an entire segment around it it's just tiresome.

>>16183057
In general Americans can't handle banter, particularly when it's making fun of America and Americans for their stereotypes.

personally, as an American I love that shit, because I love those MURRIKAN stereotypes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su6fang5RWo

like this one

I was expecting to be disappointed. I expected divine justice to smite on that asshole Clarkson for having ruined Top Gear in the first place. I thought it was gonna be a cheap re-hash of everything we knew and loved about Top Gear...

And, fuck me sideways, I was wrong.

The intro did for me what the ending of F&F7 did to all the stancefags and dudebros that listen to Wiz Khalifa. It almost got me teared up seeing that massive celebration of automotive pleasure, all those cars, the music, the energy pulsing in the environment, a flaming caravan and the trio rolling in three Mustangs. Quite good.

Bantz were good although sometimes they seemed scripted to the point of being a bit cringeworthy. The bit on the RAF was fucking hillarious even though it was obviously scripted, 'murrican Stig was fun because 'murrican stereotypes always are. The hypercar segment was slightly underwhelming considering everything we hoped for such a duel, but I appreciated the direct reference at Ferrari being assholes to anyone who doesn't wanna brown-nose them. Have you ever tried brown-nosing a horse? It's not fun, let me tell you that. Go ask Chris Harris if you don't believe me.

Anyways, the show seems to be on for a good start. Three years is a lot of time, a lot of things can go right during that time...or brutally, awfully wrong. The montage showed some pretty awesome stuff but, who knows, perhaps Clarksy will punch someone for not liking the way he assembled the tent and we'll be back at square one, dreaming of a billion-dolar version of Top Gear with James May, Sabine Schmitz and Vicki Butler Henderson called "Menage a Gear".

BTW: If anyone from Amazon is watching this, remember the role piracy had in popularizing Top Gear. So fuck you if you try and take my torrents away.

>>16183078
I hope you realize that not every track segment is going to be The American. (at least I dont think so) more than likely they will have region specific race drivers depending on where they visit.

I mean the whole episode was tinged with them making fun of Americans and then getting into an argument over the RAF vs the USAF come on now.

>>16183079
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su6fang5RWo
that thing was funny though because it was brief and to the point
drawing things out = bad for comedy.

>>16181937
Needs more polar expedition style.
Or maybe North America to South America.

Or cross the bering strait in car boats

>>16179234
Just finished watching it. The only thing that annoyed me in the visuals is the added grain in some sections. The rest of it like heavy vignetting and coloured grad NDs etc is all just the TG signature look

>>16182986
there were moments where the sound effect would cut out like it was switched off. Specific example was when they had the shot where the first car drove over the camera, then the second one. The engine sound just vanishes, it doesn't mix into the following engine sound.

>>16180804
Cheers anon!

>>16183161
It would be amazing to go from the southern most tip of america to the northern most. But I don't think they'll ever go back to argentina

>>16181607
As a Belgian, I can confirm D'Ambrosio is shit. He looked genuinely scared in that car.
In all fairness, that's probably good advice for the average folks like isus: the Porsche is easier to drive an will actually be faster in our hands.

But the question remains: what would have been the results with Lewis Hamilton in the car?

Remember:

FERRARI JUST 2THENTHS BEHIND THE 918.

>>16183573
It's a big mistake to assume a great F1-driver could do a better lap with a street car than a mediocre F1-driver.

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3rd winner: THE P3

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>>16180820

>>16182970
Break in, time a lap in your car and post your time here anon

>>16183573
Yeah, he looked fucking scared

I don't browse here often, so I might be out of the loop. But is it common knowledge who the stig is/was?

>>16182748
She looks more South East Asian.

>>16183643
The stig always was nothing more that a potemkin race driver. it was just a white suit they gave to whoever's test driver they happened to send with the supercar in question.

I'm sure they had someone who could fill in for simpler cars (like an EVO or an M3) but otherwise he's just a skin.

>>16182970
>local retard killed by unexploded world war 2-era bomb

>>16180820
It was the same vehicles and the same track that Chris Harris tested the cars, yet his laps were all faster than D'Ambrosio's ones.. I don't know who to believe

>>16182829
it's cool to hate supercars on /o/

>>16183665
That's what I was assuming. But in the past they had a single driver right? I can' recall what the drivers name was, but didn't he try to write a book about it or something? Then they threw him out of a plane on the show?

>>16183665
>>16183757
perry mccarthy was the black stig, then ben collins was the white stig. they were the ones who set the lap times at the TG test track but if they needed a stig when filming on location at some random race track, it would just be some random racing driver

>>16183643
>>16183665
>>16183757
>>16183767
I legit liked when they did the "reveal" of who the stig was for the Schumaher interview. It was obviously fake as fuck, but it was good for a laugh.

>>16183078

>not liking the jump cut "fight" with the audience

You can just admit you don't enjoy having fun.

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>mfw eboladrome
>>16183866
It was okay, but it dragged a bit. Should have gone for either less cuts, or shorter ones.
But eh, one dragging gag during the show isn't too bad.

Overly scripted rubbish to appeal to ADHD teenagers who want to jerk off over camera angles and muh P1.

My housemate said it best:
>I wish they would stop fucking around and focus on the CARS

>>16183600
yeah nah they fudged it.

>>16184031
Honestly, just keep your hate until after the second episode. The first one was a lot of setting up. They had to establish the new course, the new format, and what things they were going to keep (celebrities etc.)

The second episode will be a better representation of the show

>>16184031
>Watching Top Bants
>For cars
Go on youtube there are so many other better car shows.

Only good top gear episodes are the specials and most of the reasons why they are good have nothing to do with the cars nowatimsayaaaaaaan?

>>16184031
Nigga the only reason why people liked Top gear in the first place is because of these 3 moronic chucklefucks being moronic chucklefucks to each other for our amusement.

If you're really interested about cars, Might as well just subscribe to a Youtube channel, the Car and Driver magazine one seems good enough.

>>16179518
I hope so. I'll keep giving it a shot.

But if this was a new series and Top Gear didn't exist, I'd just be "meh" and drop it without giving it a second chance.

The new track sucks. The camera following the track sucks. Did they have legal issues over putting a camera in set spots and saying "across the line" or something...? Because that was the best thing about the laps, how consistent and comparable they were, and the camera shack when it zips by that kink in the straight on the old track.

They also didn't really talk about car news... instead they had a segment about the silly ways American calls things, or something.

If they go really all fucking out on the challenges and building dumb shit, though, it could redeem all the faults.

>>16181427
>>16182955
Why even comment when you don't know what an HDR camera is?

Just got done watchin gotta say besides that goofy celeb brain skit whatever the fuck fuckin amazing show feels good to be back.

>>16184183
>Why even comment when you don't know what an HDR camera is?
>this retard thinks "H D R" video is going to give you 24 stops of dynamic range.
>this retard thinks the cameras they used to shoot that don't have more dynamic range than the available encoding for the streaming video and the monitor he's viewing it on allowed
>this retard thinks a "H D R" camera is going to transfer that dynamic range downstream to the consumer even though the encoding is the limiting factor
>this retard probably thinks his 4k tv and blu-ray is giving him the same dynamic range as a quality cinema viewing

Are they still gonna drive around 3rd world countries in used shitboxes? Those were easily the best episodes

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>>16182955
There actually is ND material to put over windows to balance insides and outsides, infact, they had something over the windows, you can see it in some of the shots they did have some sort of screen over the window (pic related)

>>16184183
HDR camera? What the fuck are you talking about? They're using normal studio cameras, they're lighting the studio and using material to darken the windows

>>16184243
>>this retard thinks a "H D R" camera is going to transfer that dynamic range downstream to the consumer even though the encoding is the limiting factor

>>16184243
>this retard thinks a "H D R" camera is going to transfer that dynamic range downstream to the consumer even though the encoding is the limiting factor

Not quite right. The large dynamic range of these cameras sort of is being shown down stream because all of these shots are processed so they actually are showing every bit of dynamic range possible.

>>16184243
Looked like Panasonic cameras with Fujinon ENG lenses in the tent at least.

>>16179617
The M2 is a soopercar?

>>16184310
>Not quite right. The large dynamic range of these cameras sort of is being shown down stream because all of these shots are processed so they actually are showing every bit of dynamic range possible.
They aren't tone mapping heavily enough to show it all on streaming video, you would be able to tell if they were by the posterization

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>>16177836
>Barbados episode soon
Yes bai. I was waiting for top gear to do this forever

>>16184377
>you would be able to tell if they were by the posterization
Why do you think that? The cameras they use shoot RAW and have a lot of information going through the sensor. Why do you assume there would be posterization?

>>16184419
>Why do you assume there would be posterization?
Because there would be, it's just a fact. They may be RECORDING in raw, but you are not streaming that raw data to your computer. What they can see in their editing suite is not what you're going to see in your poncy 1080p streaming video, you have FAR less dynamic range and detail capacity. The overexposed window scene you are seeing is an unavoidable fact of the limitations of the media. You simply cannot overcome it, the scene has too much contrast for it to be conveyed as the eye would see it on streaming video.

I don't know about TGT but old TG used different cameras in the studio than elsewhere and it was even 60 fps outside and 30 inside (or 24 I forget).

>>16184419
To further expand on my post >>16184427
They have the option to tone-map in editing and compress the dynamic range, this would lead to posterization, which looks unnatural. The choice they had was
A. Lose detail on the window scene to keep detail on the presenters and audience
B. Compress and get an unnatural posterized look with more detail in the window scene
Which makes more sense? Screwing everything up for BACKGROUND detail? Or losing background detail and keeping what matters (the presenters) looking right?

You simply cannot get the kind of dynamic range out of streaming video that you can out of the camera in RAW. Streaming that episode in RAW would use tens of gigabytes, and you wouldn't have the bandwidth to do anything other than buffer it fully then watch it.

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>>16184457
>not having the bandwidth
>having a cap in the tens of gigs
Stop picking bad telecom companies

>>16184457
I don't really understand what you're talking about. I'm a photographer, and I constantly use cameras that have the same dynamic range as cinema cameras, I've never experienced posterizing. All that happens in post is that it takes the highlights and essentially brings them down theres no reason that causes posterizing.

They can make the video show all the details, just look at the movie "The Revenant" that was shot 90% with no lighting at all, but you can still watch it on your tv and see the whole tonal range of the movie.

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>>16180176
>mfw torrented it

>>16184457
Rotoscope out the window and selectively tone map. You act like everything isn't done like this anyway.

https://youtu.be/LFmyh-cKjQQ?t=590

>>16184813
no, hes saying that even by doing that, for some reason your TV wouldn't be able to show it still and it would be posterized by doing that. I don't really understand it

>>16182692
>She's probably a poo (from india)
haha

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>these fucking autists going on about cameras and exposure

>>16179850
I know Americans love a "big smile" but come on, close your damn mouth girl.

>>16183573
>what would have been the results with Lewis Hamilton in the car?
DNF

>>16178425
Fucking Bench racers the p1 would have won normally

>>16185886
nah the P1 is always slower when all cars have the same tires

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>>16184778
>mfw when torrented it
>TWICE

>>16181368
>we are living in the Clarkson timeline
yes fucks yes

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>>16184889
/tv/ and film buff here

who cares
>>16185911
>911
NOICE

trump best timeline

Who do you guys think the best Stig was? I'm partial to the chinese one myself.

>>16185946
aussie stig from the uk version

>>16185946
Bunga Bunga Stig

I was a little disappointed they didn't get Ben Collins.

>>16184419
>>16184457
>RAW
Why is this capitalized? What does it stand for?

>>16185990

Cause RAW is video/image format meaning uncompressed data.

>>16185990
It's an acronym for Really Awesome Wideo (the inventor was Russian).

>>16184747
>cap
nobody said anything about a cap you retard

>>16184754
You are not encoding your pictures down to 1080p video frames you dipshit

>>16186055
That should be less challenging than a high resolution photograph computationally and more forgiving visually, you twit.

>>16184754
>>16186065

1080p streaming video does not have 14 stops of dynamic range. You literally cannot make a lossy format show the dynamic range of a RAW format without extreme tone mapping. Holy shit you people pretend to be experts on something tangentially related to your hobby/field because there are a few similar terms

>>16186069
They're not editing from streamed video sources. Do you seriously think Amazon convert video as they record and stream it to the editor in ultra compressed the 1080p? Do you even understand how video editing works or maybe you were just pretending to be retarded.

Show was fucking amazing BBC made a huge mistake.

Like not only is the show just better now but obviously Amazon is pouring lots more money into this then BBC ever did with Top Gear.

Like only downside of GT is the lack of the Stig

>>16182688
>>16181352

Mclaren isnt even a british company though.
if it were aston or jaguar id understand.

>on internet
>still censors swears

REEEEEEEee

>>16186135
i think its for comic effect

>>16186135
>shit isn't censored
>fuck is
???

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>>16186158
i guess they cant give a fuck

>>16186133
>Mclaren isnt even a british company though.

you whot m8
you could argue that the founder wasn't british, but the company was established in the UK and it operates there to this day
you could argue that chris isn't british either, he definitely has some paki blood in him

so if anything both him and mclaren have even more in common kek

>>16184889
>dat old Celica doe
Bring back old Celica, Supra and W124!

>>16186083
You dumb nigger you're streaming it so it is being compressed to a streaming container. The bullshit you just typed shows that you didn't read a word I said or maybe didn't comprehend it.

Think the episode was good, especially the intro. They should have skipped the celebrity thing though but I guess they wanted to make a point that they only keep the good stuff. The M2 test was okay, it lacked the magic of the top gear track and stig of course. New track looks comfy, they should have gotten a less memey driver though or is that amerifat actually famous and I don't get it?

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>>16186167
the company opened a plant in England in 2003.

Seriously you were born before McLaren was even in England.

>>16186196
>is that amerifat actually famous
He's a fairly well known nascar driver

>>16186196
i dont really like the new track, it seems with their budget they could've gotten a better track.

I feel it'll improve. But I didn't and don't care for the scripted nature; especially the Airforce studio segment. The execution of the Trinity segment was a problem too. They went from racing to testing electric power to then the two randomly driving without may.
They should've done what they used to; was test all three at once towards the end of their segment...before they drove off. It felt like they did that just to keep people viewing...as it was at the end of the programme.
Anyway; enjoyable to watch but those certain aspects spoilt it. Like finding mold in your toast after you've had a bite.

>>16186204
huh, i thought it was a parody cause most race drivers are fit and he was stereo typical american size.

>>16186205
Yeah, I agree....there's nothing wrong with it but it just doesn't have character. The drifting parts of the track are a problem too...can't imagine it'd be fun to watch with half of the cars they used to test...time will tell, though...I won't judge until the season is over.

>>16186133

>McLaren is Kiwi
>Tesla is South African
>Chevrolet is French-Swiss

>>16186216
>tesla or chevrolet
Both founded in America though?

>>16186207
Yeah that was kind of pointless and not really funny.
Let's be honest the best moments of old top gear weren't about cars. They were about them struggling in a jungle in old shitboxes or building a vehicle and testing it in public (P40, Hovervan etc) or stupid challenges. They need to do more stuff like that and I think they will. The supercar segment was just obligatory for their first episode.

Also I think they could improve on the test track shots. I felt like they were always too close to the car. I'm also sure people would pay to watch these tests in person but I guess that's not possible at the new track.

>>16186187
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>16186249
You can say that but it doesn't change the fact that I know what I'm talking about and you're wrong.

Simply put, there was no practical way to (because of limitations of the streaming format) and no real reason to make the view out of the window darker and more detailed. Nobody really cares about it except for one autist in this thread so they weren't going to waste time rotoscoping it or ruin the rest of the scene by tone mapping it.

Protip: max dynamic range (RAW files) is IMPOSSIBLE to convey in lossy compressed formats (such as streaming video containers), so it must be tone mapped.

>>16182272
>>16181391

I think Clarkson is a genuine sociopath. He doesn't need to put on an act, he has no idea how to act like a normal person. That's what makes him entertaining

>>16186261
He's just rich enough to not give a fuck. Or I'm a sociopath aswell, I wouldn't rule that out.

>>16186261
>i want a new home
>should I just tear it down or should I have fun and see an fucking explosion since they're so cool!?

Track would be way better without the huge buildings blocking view.

>>16186209
>most race drivers are fit
not NASCAR ones

Supercar part would have been better without the stupid tests, just let them fool around on the track together and then have them raced by a proper driver. That drag race part was just way too long.

>>16186305
And all funny banter aside it would be better if they all drive all cars and discuss them instead of just bashing the other cars, I mean it's funny for a minute but they would get much more out of these tests if they came to a bit more serious conclusion and actually shared their honest opinions.

Somebody post a fucking torrent link

LINK
I
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>>16186170
Thats the Supra Mk3, not the Celica.

>>16184243
>>16184310
>HDR camera? What the fuck are you talking about?

kek they don't know but they respond all smug and aggressively anyway.

An HDR camera gives you more bits per channel in editing down to 8bpc without losing detail, and to capture a wider range without it being washed up in the highs and lows, you retards.

>>16184457
Which is exactly why you use an HDR camera. So you can record the whole range and then fix it in editing when dropping down to 8bpc, instead of choosing between two different subpar options for the scene when recording.

I can't believe there are idiots that have no clue what they're talking about trying to argue otherwise and being apologists for Amazon.

>>16186574
Or not exactly. You're not going to get posterization but you do lose color accuracy.

Either way, you want as much data as you can have to use in editing to get the ideal picture.

So what's your guys' opinion on the new Stig?
I feel like the guy's punchlines/gimmick will get old pretty quickly
And also found it odd they got a NASCAR driver of all people.
Like, there's plenty of American drivers to choose from that has road experience.

>>16186617
>I feel like the guy's punchlines/gimmick will get old pretty quickly
it already did and I hope he wont be the stig forever or at least stop being such a meme. I hope they don't take the laptimes from the runs where they show him shitposting IRL too, I want these laptimes to be serious otherwise they might aswell drop them.

>>16186574
You're a complete moron, and he's completely correct. Cinematic and television cameras have more dynamic range than you can use in a compressed digital medium without tone mapping. You cannot express that kind of dynamic range in compressed shitquality digital video like HD streaming. Oh, you thought your HD streaming video was high quality? Sorry cupcake, it's not. People don't have the bandwidth to support streaming true high quality video, where each frame is several raw megabytes, and they don't have the trained eye necessary to know the difference between it and their netflix/amazon/hulu streaming either.

Dynamic range is something that gets lost in creating content. It starts out pretty good with the camera that's worth tens of thousands of dollars shooting, it has something like 12-15 stops of dynamic ratio. Then they edit it down to a master, and not much is lost there if anything. Then they use the master to make a compressed streamable piece of content, and a shitton gets lost. Detail gets lost in compression, so does dynamic range. Now if you edit specifically for the streamed content, you will be able to compensate for this loss of dynamic range by finding a happy medium between dynamic range and unnatural look with tone mapping, but it's not worth the unnatural look for something as inconsequential as a situational background scene. It can also be a stylistic choice to leave the desert overexposed, because the desert is fucking bright and the overexposure conveys that.

Amazon apologists, kek. You're a conspiracy nutjob. Anyone who doesn't agree with you must be an apologis or a fanboy

>>16185990
I don't know if it stands for anything, thats just how Ive always seen it spelled

>>16186069
I think you're a little bit confused about dynamic range. It talking about how much range is being captured. You've seen an HDR image before, you don't need an HDR screen to see it. The image is processed into the range that screens are capable of displaying.

Lossy formats are much different than high dynamic range. And I am litterally a professional photographer and a professional videographer, I've been doing that as a living for the last 6 years. I know how raw works, and I know wha dynamic range means.

Can you just show me an example of an HDR image thats posterized because a screen can't display it?

>>16186258
>max dynamic range (RAW files) is IMPOSSIBLE to convey in lossy compressed formats (such as streaming video containers), so it must be tone mapped.

No shit dude. Thats literally what happens when you process the images from raw files, especially a scene like the one they used there, they had to bring the highlights down im sure. But it has NOTHING to do with the streaming format. These are all being sent in like a h265 or h264 format, which might be lossy, but the format has nothing to do with dynamic range

>>16186565
I know what it means, but no camera is just considered HDR. There are cameras that have a wide dynamic range, and there are proceses in which to actually shoot HDR video, but its different than normal video, and has nothing to do with channel bits

>>16186574
The guy that started this argument isn't even talking about HDR, hes saying that when you stream a video that has been processed will be posterized because streaming can't handle the processed images

>>16183228
i'm pretty sure that's because of the mic they used, no the editing

>>16186657
>You cannot express that kind of dynamic range in compressed shitquality digital video like HD streaming

IT DOESN'T. The whites are still white, and the blacks are still blacks. The rest of the tones in between are still there too. It might not be as accurate, but it's still there. If anything, sharpness will suffer the most

You're the conspiracy nutjob

>HD STREAMING IS A RIPOFF! THE HDR ISNT DISPLAYED! YOU'VE ALL BEEN HAD! THE WINDOW SHOULD BE POSTERIZED BECAUSE THE TONE MAPPING CANT STREAM! YOU ALL GOT FOOLED INTO STREAMING A SHOW YOU LIKE AND ITS NOT EVEN HDR! TOUGH LUCK PAL!

>>16186676
>PAL
>not using NTSC

>>16186680
NTSC is god tier. infact they probably moved from pal on bbc to ntsc

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>>16186617
LIKE PULLING A GREASY STRING FROM A DOG'S BUTTHOLE

>>16186676
>this complete fuckwit thinks his 1080p HD streaming has the same dynamic range as raw format
It's not just
>dur hur the whites are white the blacks are black and everything in between is there hur hur hur
nigga do you even know what dynamic range is?

>>16186693
i laughed at that

>>16186617
I don't know how I feel about it. He was funny for the first episode, but I just dont think he should be on there the rest of the time.

I think he will only be there for one episode. They were in America, so they picked an american driver, next week they'll be in a different country, so they'll have a different driver.

>>16186701
>nigga do you even know what dynamic range is?

Yes. And if they tone map the image, they've brought as much information they could within the black point and white point of the image.

>>16186708
>I think he will only be there for one episode. They were in America, so they picked an american driver, next week they'll be in a different country, so they'll have a different driver.
That wouldn't make any sense because it would completely invalidate the lap tests. Same track different cars different drivers?

>>16186713
>they've brought as much information they could within the black point and white point of the image.
That's called compression. And it's clear you don't know what dynamic range is.

Dynamic range is the amount of variation between the black point and white point. You can have two images with the same black and white point but less detail in between. Read up on it, variation in luminance is the key here, not absolute maximum and absolute minimum.

>>16186730
>That's called compression.

Thats not compression. What the fuck do you think they do when they're processing the raw image? Do you think they're not touching the white and black point of the image?

I know what the fuck im talking about, I do this for a living. I literally have to know this shit to be able to eat.

>Dynamic range is the amount of variation between the black point and white point.

Yes I know, thats why I said they brought as much information between those point as they could. It doesn't make it unstreamable.

Tell you what, just post a screenshot of any streamed media that is posterized because it has a wide dynamic range

>>16186749
>I know what the fuck im talking about, I do this for a living. I literally have to know this shit to be able to eat.
no you don't. many pro togs out there are shit and don't know their F-stop from their F mount.

>>16186749
You complete and utter idiot

It doesn't get posterized because it *has* dynamic range, nobody said that aside from your uninformed ass, it gets posterized because of this thing called tone mapping which is forcing the data a wide dynamic range into a smaller tonal space. It is essentially the same thing as dithering a 32 bit image to a 16 bit color space, some detail is lost. The reason you don't see posterized streamed media is because dynamic range loss is less apparent to the average viewer than the unnatural look of posterizing. Therefore it is only done as a stylistic choice. The anon saying the chioce was between tone mapping with posterization as a result and loss of dynamic range detail is correct.

You're a fucking moron if you think professional = knows what he's talking about. There are plenty of hack job professional photogs like you out there who don't know diffraction limit from fogged elements. Shut up and shuffle off

>>16186666
HDR means it records more than 8bpc (at least 10) as well as supporting a wide color gamut and more contrast.

Simply being wide range does not HDR make.

>>16186666
>but the format has nothing to do with dynamic range
Ok buddy send me a RAW, a h264 still and a jpeg that contain the same dynamic range without tone mapping.

>>16186666
>You've seen an HDR image before, you don't need an HDR screen to see it. The image is processed into the range that screens are capable of displaying.
that's tone mapping

>>16186261
He is rich enough to not care about anything, and his "reputation" is already shit with those who won't like him anyway, and golden with those who will. He really doesn't have any reason to keep trying now that amazon is throwin money at them and that tabloid readers have gotten bored of their magazines trying to shame him (which never works)

>>16186796
>it gets posterized because of this thing called tone mapping which is forcing the data a wide dynamic range into a smaller tonal space. It is essentially the same thing as dithering a 32 bit image to a 16 bit color space, some detail is lost.
the chance of posterization should be reduced if you start with more bits per channel when processing/tonemapping. unless you're applying some extremely steep curve you shouldn't end up with visible steps in colors in your final image

>>16186796
Then fucking show me posterization from tone mapping, prove me wrong!

>>16186818
That's not even the same thing, You can still display all the information in a jpeg, you can still see the entire range of tones.

Im not saying that they aren't tone mapping, I'm saying that you can still see all of the range of the image. This argument is pretty pointless though, because it's fucking obvious that they used a screen over the window, like I showed you guys near the beginning of this arguement

>>16186826
And the guy in this thread is saying that would create posterization because he thinks tone mapping will do that for some reason

>>16186835
Posterization is a certainty trying to fit

>>16186846
>Then fucking show me posterization from tone mapping, prove me wrong!
Go google "HDR photo" everything you see will be posterized you retard

>You can still display all the information in a jpeg, you can still see the entire range of tones.
wrong
you cannot express full dynamic range of a raw image in your shitty little jpeg

If you could see full dynamic range in a jpeg, nobody would use raw you imbecile.

>>16186853
but you're talking about trendy HDR photos which are all posterized so heavily it's the most noticeable thing about them.

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>>16186859
>>16186855

Noooo, I'm talking about real HDR, not that bullshit, you can have nice HDR without making those god awful images. Pic related is HDR done right. It's a jpeg, and theres no posterization, so I dont know what you guys are talking about

How triggerd is /o/ by skinner?

>>16180961
idiot on TGT they used the same tires on all 3 cars while on the P1 that harris had where diferent tires

>>16180204
A lot of it was corny. The car commentary wasn't too bad, I think it'll improve. But damn they gotta cut all that really corny humor. Like the celebrity part and the fight against the audience. It was kinda stupid, overall I think it'll be a good show

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>be at 47min
>wonder why europeons on /o/ are so triggeredf
>be at 49 minutes
>now know why europeons on /o/ are triggered

>>16186318
Don't tell anyone, but you can find it on putlocker.

>>16186997
>celebrity segment starts
what are you even talking about you faggot

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They really don't get it I think

Better than I expected. Didn't like the test driver.

>>16187080
>women talking about wrongheadedness
laughed, if I told that cunt that her washing machine runs on diesel she would probably believe it.

>>16187080
Why the fuck do they let cucks like that write about a car show?

If it was up to them, they would make a show like current gear UK filled with diversity, and half women. Make them drive only hybrids and no jokes.

How do they not understand that they don't know shit about entertainment?

Fuck them

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>/o/ dunning krugering about HDR and tone mapping

>>16187112
>using dunning kruger unironically
fuck off back to /tv/ you twelve year olds

>>16187119
shibbolethed a retard suffering from the dunning kruger effect

>>16187121
>suffering from the dunning kruger effect
it's a joke you complete retard. is this some shit bait?

>>16187112
>>16187119
>>16187121
>>16187127

Im not pretending to be a professional psychologist, so you guys may or may not be suffering from the dunning kruger effect. Get a professional opinion from a professional to make sure you arent making a fool out of yourself

>>16181779
nah clarkson stated in an inteview when asked about the elections
"I mean america is the country we all look towards when democracy comes to mind and really, these are the two best ones?"

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>>16187137
>he spews shit about HDR and tone mapping on /o/

>he believes he is not a dunning krugerite subhuman

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>>16187142
I literally am a working professional in the field. I know my shit. Notice how the other fucks couldn't refute this post?
>>16186951
That's real HDR, but they were thinking HDR was some bullshit like this pic related, which still shows zero posterization. That retard doesn't even know what he's talking about

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>>16187080
>Liberals

>>16187141
it's easy to think it's shit from a distance, but if he lived here in the US, he'd be in for Trump. Richard would vote johnson, and may would vote hillary. But Jeremy isn't a low test beta cuck

>>16184031

>I wish they would stop fucking around and focus on the CARS
And I wish 4chan would permaban anime posters. But unlike you I'm not stupid enough to forget where I am

>>16187156
liberal whites are literally begging to be executed. They should start off by killing themselves if they think whites are so bad

>>16187157
so being an american living in america means you have to be retarded?

>>16187180
What country do you live in? Let's see how well your country is doing

And yes, Trump is what we needed, but you wouldn't know shit because either:

You don't live here, and you get your news from EU approved sources

Or

You live in the US and you think huffingpaint post is the only news source you need.

So which is it?

this show is total shit lol

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>he can't handle the banter

>>16187156
Times must be tough after Breaking Bad ended

>>16180944

bad (last ~3 seasons) old TG

>>16184889
we /polotv/ now

>>16180820
BLITZKRIEG

thank you based furfags germans

I hope they end up testing one of the greatest cars of our generation, a 2016 Scion FR-S

>>16187871
They already tested the frs in a previous season, Jeremy loved it

>>16187889
Did they really? Do you know what episode?

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>>16187871
>4cyl

>>16187914
season 19 episode 3.

If im not mistaken, I think it was the episode where he did the racist "catch a nigger by its toe" thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijuS3FxpqQI

>>16186159
"fuck" you