86/BRZ/FRS

>>16169235
It's honestly not a bad car at all. People are just mad that it's not fast like dagumi is in the anime with his 86.

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they cool one of the few new cars Id be interested in if I wasnt a complete poorfag

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>>16169260
One day anon. We'll all make it

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Camping in mine as we speak.

Very cozy

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>>16169235
It's fast on the [spoiler]downhill.[/spoiler]

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>>16169260
>>16169270
>Rocketbunny

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>>16169276
This is a huge thing that is often overlooked about these cars.

Cars this size rarely have good storage capacity. The c5 corvette is very impressive too

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>>16169307
Definitely. Cargo'd a 60 inch flat screen in it before. Its very roomy

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>>16169292
havent found a better looking kit

>>16169327
it doesn't need one, that looks horrible

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>>16169331
stock is bland

>>16169341
>stock is bland
maybe for a young edgelord

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>>16169353

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>>16169353
well thats just like your rotten onion

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>>16169292
>drive an FD
>wonder what rocketbunny makes for my car
>it's the ugliest fucking thing I've ever seen.

Looks like it belongs in NASCAR around 20 years ago.

Don't want to hijack this thread here, but why the fuck does anyone take that retard seriously?

I love the new 86, though - really want one at some point. Have any been released in the US without Scion badging yet? I think 2016 was the first year that'd be happening, but might be wrong.

>mcfaggot struts in front
>wishbone in reat

They were so close to perfection.

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>>16169451
that makes the fd look like some riced out 180sx

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>>16169451
2boss4u

>>16169458
That too, I really hate it.

how slow is it compared to the s2k? i'm torn between the two

>>16169457
>drive by wire
it would never be perfect. also nothing wrong with macpherson.. evo has macpherson front and its one of the fastest cars ever made so yea./.../

>>16169458
>that Mid Night sticker

>>16169472
>drive by wire

Forgot about that too. I just hate how the camber gets fucked in turns with struts.

Electric power steering is the devil though.

>>16169462
>when no bodykit is better than installing one

Why is it that I've seen more of the new 86 during a 2-week vacation to Europe than in the entire time I've lived in the US since both the FR-S and BR-Z were released? They selling like hotcakes over there or something?

>>16169482
americans have plenty of other options for rwd sportscars in that price bracket
difference between v8 mustang and toyobaru in america is a few more months paying it off, in europe youre buying twice the car literally

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>>16169470
the S2000 is a good notch ahead in about every way

performance isnt all that matters tho

>>16169505
Jesus Christ.

I thought new Mustangs were $30k, didn't realized they'd crept down toward the $25k price bracket.

>>16169235
Car is fine. Good platform for a small tuner. Bit pricey from the factory, but what isn't these days. Only poor fags got mad about them. I can't own one, I sat in it and my shoulders are way too wide to fit comfortably. But even at 6ft there was room.

>>16169472
nothing wrong with dbw. it's almost impossible to make a modern car without it

>>16169531
Cables and manual steering are best.

>>16169505
lol bitch the Gt mustang starts at $33k. The frs starts at $26k (now, was like $23).
The mustang is also xbox huge, ugly, lame, depreciates like a stone in water, will fall apart in 6 years (like ALL mustangs), and you'll be associated with mustang people. I don't want either car, but I'd take an FRS over a shitty and boring mustang.

>>16169248
wtf is going on with the bottom of the rear bumper

>>16169548
>he doesn't want an automatic Mustang GT

>>16169235
What's the huge outsized body kit that I see a lot for this car? Is it a Rocket Bunny kit?

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>>16169451
2017 is the first year of Toyota 86 in the states. There are a couple on the road already.

>>16169533
How many cars even come with manual steering anymore? I can only think of 2 and those are both over 50k.

The electric steering on the twins is great.

>>16169701
Probably

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Just picked up pic related last month, been having a blast ever since.

Anyone have those Jap Underpanels? Been looking into those for at least some underbody protection for this winter

>>16170539
God damn it even saved it right side up.

Link for the panels:

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/jdm-86-oem-underpanels-1749.html#.WCxmg-YrIdU

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>>16169235

>>16169341
I disagree. It has a healthy amount of distinct physical accent without being 'overdesigned' or too visually busy. Kitting the Toyobaru is a sin.

>have test driven other cars with no static
>can't get a test drive with the 86/BRZ because they think I'm just some young punk looking to wreck a car for free

I just want to feel how weak the engine is, is that too much to ask for?

>>16169451
The 2017 is badges as a Toyota. All the rest are Scion, although the only difference is the badge, and the interior colours are different on the 17. Which is a shame. I preferred the red and black.

>>16169560
>Automatic sport car
But why?

>>16169513
The steering is way better in the 86 than the S2K. Also more practical.

>>16169558
Japanese aerodynamics.
I think it's meant to direct the air coming from the diffuser to create larger areas of turbulence so you can't draft too close due to the lack of pressure.

>>16170562
This x100

One of the only 'new' cars that I think are aesthetically just about perfect straight off the line

Anyone done any aftermarket audio? Trying to plan out a system but having some trouble since all the speakers are in different locations (Low in door, mids and highs in dash)

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>>16170567
>All the rest are Scion, although the only difference is the badge, and the interior colours are different on the 17

This is very false. There are plenty of changes to the revised 86 aside from the interior.

>>16170572
Mustang isn't a sports car

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>>16171948
Wtf dude, I said no bully

>>16169235
>>16169243
more like they are mad it's not fast for the price. thing in hp and price is similar to the 240sx.

>>16172138
dickman baby

>>16169352
I didn't know Mitsubishi started making Eclipses again.

>>16169533
Yeah you're right, the McLaren F1 is shit.

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>>16172523
Wat

>>16172471

No u

>>16172718
not a flattering angle

Is there any panda 86s?

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>>16172471
this is now a nutshack thread

>>16170558
I lol'd

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>>16172942
No

>>16173141
ewwww

>>16169325
Sexy

>>16169260
i'll never stop seeing those stupid fucking front jaws, and I don't want a Subaru.

I'll just stick to my shitbox Elantra for now.

>>16173141
the whole black hood never looked cool to me on the AE86 either

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>>16175761
You know this car is basically a Subaru right?

>>16171948
total newfag on the board, can this be fixed by fucking around with the chip?
I have literally no idea what that shit does, i just imagine the commandsets on the chip control injection timings, mix ratios and shit

>>16176165
It's a known issue with the manual transmission. Unless youre racing, the revs won't ever get high enough for this to affect you. If you are racing, you're going to spend most of your time above 4500 anyway.

The 2017 model of the 86 has had the transmission adjusted to eliminate the valley, as well as add an extra 5 Horsepower as a bonus.

>>16176172
noice. would it be cheaper for me to get a 2017 fresh from the assembly or an earlier model for retrofit? Assuming i may want to tinker around with it some more

>>16176165
A tune will improve the dip drastically, an unequal length header will eliminate it completely. I'll admit, I'm a little unimpressed with how these motors respond to mods when naturally aspirated, but hey, it's not a Honda. They do great with FI though.

>>16176205
You can get more HP from just a tune on a stock car. Time will tell whether the new engine will respond better to boost. The new intake manifold netted one turbo car like 15-20 HP, but they were around 400whp with a 10.5/1 compression ratio so lots of boost.

>>16176172
Nice shitposting m8

>Scion FRS
>Has 86 logo
>2017 Toyota 86
>Removed 86 logo and made the front look retarded
Why Toyota?

>>16176340
They moved the 86 down lower on the fender. The reasoning was, supposedly, it reduces drag.

Which sounds retarded, right?

>>16172460
Which was also a slow car

>2017 model improves suspension, has 5 more horsies and a torque, etc
>gets Hillstart Assist
STOP DOING THIS TO ME

>240SX
>2,800 Lbs
>155 hp
Compared to
>86 Twins
>2,800 Lbs
>200 hp
So why does everyone jerk off the 240SX and cry about how "gutless" the 86 is? Is it just nostalgiafagging?

>>16176412

>So why does everyone jerk off the 240SX and cry about how "gutless" the 86 is? Is it just nostalgiafagging?

poorfags.

people can't understand that RWD, torsen diff, 100hp/l engine and sub 2800lbs coupe chassis shouldn't cost more than 12k new.

>>16176412
Because it's cheaper and similar enough to buy one instead of paying 20+k and if you spend 20+k you can get it exactly how you want.
Unless you can't afford to do so and you have to buy a new car and make payments.
Also, the way the 240 feels driving is considered to be better, I hated the way the brz and frs felt driving em. Was trying to like it but couldnt. Not for the price.

>>16176351
The fender placement is fine, it's those stupid lower fangs that ruin the look.

>>16176969
>cheaper
And much more cheaply made. The 240SX is the pinnacle of shitboxiness. The 86s are at least reliable.
Also good luck finding a 240 that hasn't been beat to hell and back

>>16176969
>the way the 240 feels driving is considered to be better

25 years and for the first time I'm actually at a loss for words.

>>16177134
What you mean?

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>>16176172
Stop talking about things you obviously have no idea about please. You sound like a retard.

>>16176205
You're dumb too

>>16176340
There are literally like 9 different 86 logos on the new Toyota 86. Shut up.

>>16177460
What do you mean, what do you mean?

>>16177492
What's so retarded about it? As a DD, you want to keep your revs below 3k by switching gears once you pass 2.5. You wanna go fast, you need to get over the hump between 3500 and 4500, as this is where you lose out on performance.

The rest of that shit info is from press releases.

>>16169307

>Balding cuck who probably got forced to get the giant teddy bear

What a shock you drive a shitty excuse for a car.

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>>16177564
First of all, torque dip isn't only present on the manual transmission, it's there with automatics too.

Second, the refresh has slightly more horsepower, but the torque dip has not been eliminated, there are already dynos for the MY17 showing that the dip is still very present.

>>16177614
They didn't do any changes on the automatic version, only the manual.

And so the '17 86 falls short of the hype and still has the valley between 3500 and 4500. Guess that means buddy
>>16176205
Should get a used FRS, and use the 5-8 grand he saves on a forced induction kit to squeeze more performance out of the engine for (ultimately) the same price as a new unit.

>>16177636
I know they didn't do any changes to the automatic, you yourself said that the torque dip is a known issue with the MT. I'm saying it's a known issue with both versions of the car.

>It's a known issue with the manual transmission.

>>16177460
he means that what you said was so monumentally autistic, he could not even believe it

do you actually think a 20 y/o shitbox is better?
i shiggy diggy

As an 86 owner, I'll admit the torque dip feels pretty bad without a tune. Granted I've been tuned for about a year, but without one during the dip the car doesn't even feel like its accelerating.

>>16176969
>Because an ancient 240sx with all the worn bushings, slow as fuck and 18 past owners is better and more fun definitely superior in every way ...

You have got to be extremely retarded. Obviously you haven't driven either of them.

The 86 is a decent car, superior than the 240sx by a huge margin, you are just nostalgiafagging.

Need more power? Supercharge it, it will go up to 270bhp which is fast enough for that little car.

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>>16169235
Am I the only one who wants to get an 86 with the aero kit?

>>16178031
TRD aero parts are better desu

>>16178031
Eh probably. Extra weight, no real advantages. Even if weight addition is minor, it would still bother me, considering being lightweight is kind of its thing.

These cars seem to be pretty reliable. Not heard of many problems, especially with good maintenance.

Thoughts anyone?
Might get a used one, speed isn't an issue since I'm upgrading from a shitbox Aerostar. Be nice to have something that handled reasonably well.

>>16169235
>Forge everything inside the engine >turbo
>Bilstein coil overs, no lower
>Stronger clutch
>Wider BBS rims with pZeros
Dagumi killer

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>>16178202
I bought mine used.
Never looked back.
Just don't buy an auto.

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>>16178202
Avoid the MY13, they had the most issues. The BRZ is the better value, and has better resale.

MY16 has factory back up camera if you care about that.

>>16178212
>>16178239
Did you ever feel like you're slow as molasses from a stop?

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>>16178113
>>16178133
I really dig the spoiler... it makes the car look more aggressive...

If we are considering a minor weight gain, couldn't some hp boost (i.e lightweight pulleys) balance it out?

I honestly find the rear with that spoiler much more appealing than the stock one.

>>16178384
Not really.
I've lost races from stoplights, but the car doesn't feel slow if you're in the right gear.
If you think it's too slow for you, buy parts for it.

>>16178239
yeah but only the 2013 has the goofy partsbin rubber antenna

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>>16178417
My '14 has it.

>>16178422
what i thought the fin was standard in 14

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>>16178426
You thought wrong, boyo.

>>16178031
gt86 + aero kit + compressor is my plan

>>16177598
He drives a BRZ and buys himself giant teddy bears because he can and doesn't care about your opinion on anything. Seems like a pretty based guy, unlike you, REEing at others for no reason.

>>16178403
Nah I'm not talking light racing. I know the car isn't meant to win drags it's meant to win in handling.
I mean does it feel like you're barely keeping up with traffic from a stop?

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>>16178417
Oem sharkfin started in MY15. MY15 was also when the FRS suspension was revised and made it less prone to oversteer.

>>16178384
The only time the car feels slow is when you are cruising in the torque dip range and try to accelerate instead of downshifting.

It's actually pretty fun at low speeds. Good for autox.

Don't expect to win many stoplight races though. The driving dynamics make up for the lack of raw power. This car is incredible balanced right out of the factory. Most people won't be able to reach the limits of a stock 86 on public roads.

>>16178472
>I mean does it feel like you're barely keeping up with traffic from a stop?
No, no it doesn't.

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>>16178472
The power is there, the car just makes you work for it. The harder you push the car, and rev it up, the more fun it is.

Not everyone wants to upshift/downshift frequently, but I enjoy it. The gearbox is so smooth, that rev matching this car feels very satisfying

>>16178472
the entire point of the car is 'muh feels'

redlining in 2nd at 60 feels plenty fast despite not actually being fast

>>16178472
>does it feel like you're barely keeping up with traffic from a stop?
>0-60 in under 6.something seconds
>barely keeping up
You're faster than 70% of the cars on the road and faster than 99% of the cars if you launch hard, because they won't.

>>16178473
>>16178495
>>16178504
Sounds good. My current car is very much the same except it's FWD and handles like a boat anchor. I'm interested in buying an 86 but I want to know it's a real upgrade.

>>16178596
Go test-drive one.

>>16178560
>You're faster than 70% of the cars on the road and faster than 99% of the cars if you launch hard, because they won't.
True. But its a sports car. It lacks power. Every shitty gay "sporty" hot hatch will kill you.

The fucking last Celica was hated for being slow. That car was released 17 years ago and has nearly the same power as the gt86 ...

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>>16178596
It really depends on what you want/need from your car.

For me, it's exactly what I was looking for. lightweight RWD coupes with more than 2 seats are hard to come by. The fact that it's reliable and economical is just a nice bonus for me.

Definitely drive before you buy. This car is not for everyone.

>>16178616
so? if it was pure performance you're after a type R or a foRS would run rings around most cheap RWD cars

But i'll say that I havent seen a true 'hot hatch' on the road in a long time, since traffic is mostly camrys and assorted bland shit, so unless you live in macau or right off mulholland you're fine

>>16178616
>Every shitty gay "sporty" hot hatch will kill you.
I didn't buy it to race boring cars. Also, I leave my friend in "sporty" 290 bhp hot hatch in the dust if I want to. Mainly because he cheaped out on the rubber because his wide 19" tires are expensive even if you buy chinkshit, while I have stock sized Michelin Super Sports, and because I know how to drive and he leaves traction control on.

>>16178615
>>16178638
Ok. It would be for the best to test. I mean my current car is a lightweight 2door coupe (7 second 0-60) so I would probably feel right at home but I'm looking for an upgrade is all. I've been wanting a RWD version of my car basically.

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>>16178616
You could say the same about the miata/fiata.

If you want something semi-fast for under 30k buy a v6 camaro instead, or a WRX if you don't like rwd

Straight line acceleration is overrated

>>16169235
How much did your parents pay for yours?

>>16178662
What do you drive?

>>16178649
Im in germany so hot hatch are the primary "performance" cars in this price range. There are shitloads of em and its sad that they are destroying a real sports car. The modern ones all have 80 - 100 more hp these days.

Surely not in the mountains or the rural roads but thats not were you meet em.

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>>16178672
When you make over 100k annually it's not very hard to buy an 86.

One day maybe you will have a career too anon :^)

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>>16178669
>If you want something semi-fast for under 30k buy a v6 camaro instead


SHUT UP YOU FUCKING RETARD

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE BUY THOSE SHITHEAPS

WHY DON'T YOU RECOMMEND 2011-2014 MUSTANG GT? OR AN OLDER CAMARO WITH A V8?

FUCKING /O/TISM

>>16178703
I wasn't comparing new to used.

If you don't mind used, there are plenty of other alternative options.

Learn to control your aspergers

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>>16178684
Cavalier LS Sport Coupe. It's such a shitbox but I love it.

>>16178693
Get a Seat Leon Cupra if you want to go fast for cheap in Europe.

>>16178736
But its not a real sports car.

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>>16178695
Also leasing exists

>>16178733
>Cavalier
>Sport Coupe
Ayy lmao

>>16178733
I don't think you will be disappointed.

I also have a pristine 99 integra GSR, and the 86 is better in every way (aside from cargo capacity)

>>16178743
Exactly. Sport in name only.

>>16178749
Awesome, I'll see about that test drive. Thanks anons.

>>16178741
Who said anything about leasing?

Maybe you should put down the bong before posting next time

>>16178741
>being cucked out of your own car

>>16178638
lol i know that owner of the pictured 86, total cuck

>>16178783
Did you fuck his wife?

>>16178740
Do you want a sports car or do you want a fast car? If you want a sports car you get the BRZ.

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>>16178695
Fine, I guess I'll dump this horseshit.

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>>16178826

>>16178786
>wife
kek
he couldnt even get a hug out of this girl from his car meet

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>>16178831

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>>16178835

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>>16178843

>>16178826
>>16178831
>>16178835
>>16178843
Is this official marketing?

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>>16178847

>>16178761
Never, dad

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>>16178855
Last one

>>16178850
Yes, as far as I know.

The slut is Hitomi Yasueda.

>>16178693
Most of them also are straight up faster cars on most tracks. That doesn't mean much if you're looking at things beyond performance numbers - automatics are faster than manuals these days but >auto

Hot hatches are just a different category of car

>>16178922
>Hot hatches are just a different category of car
True. They have much more utility and perform better in (real) winter but they lack the coupe look and the fun of driving. They are still the main competition.

why is there no RWD hatch

>>16178963
Because auto makers have a harder time selling RWD cars en masse.

A large majority of consumers is so scared of oversteer that they refuse to buy RWD cars.

>>16178969
understeer is much saver for normies
oversteer is better if you can drive

>>16178963
Bmw 1

>>16178976
Understeer is safer and oversteer isn't better. RWD cars don't oversteer nearly as much as FWD cars understeer. Even my mom can correct oversteer intuitively. The only reason to use FWD is less losses in the shorter drivetrain, no tunnel through the middle of the car, no diff in the back. I'm an engineer in the automotive industry, the muh oversteer boogeyman is a meme.

>>16179045
What about winter/snow driving?

>>16175908
is it a toyota that is a subaru or a subaru that is a toyota? I hear it both ways, which is the original or at least the one that contributed more

>>16179059
Having more weight on the driven wheels sure is a plus, but not a main concern from a designing point of view.

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>>16176172
>The 2017 model of the 86 has had the transmission adjusted to eliminate the valley, as well as add an extra 5 Horsepower as a bonus.

WAT?

IT'S RIGHT FUCKING THERE

ON THE NEW STUPID SCREEN THING

>>16179084
They are all made by subaru. The engine is also subaru. The rest idk

>>16179045
>I'm an engineer in the automotive industry

Get fucked you faggot

>hurr I'm going to put a bolt next to the timing belt that you need to get to in order to change the air filter, and you can only get to it with midget hands and about sixty feet of ratchet extensions

Engineers are cancer

>>16179092
You can always put sandbags in your trunk.

>>16169307
Bullshit the cargo space still blows. They should have made it a liftback. I'd sacrifice some rigidity for practicality

>>16179196
sounds like someone's upset they never got to go to college

>>16179245
college is for stupid libcucks

i dont know any real men who have ever gone to college

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>>16177564
>>16177614
>>16177636
The 17 has a fucking screen that shows you the dip, it's like they are proud of it or something

>>16179265
t. lowerclass

>>16179269
Its the biggest fuck you since...I don't know. But its a big "fuck you we aren't making a turbo"

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>>16179225
Compared to a Cayman, 370z, miata, fiata, s2000 this thing is a fucking minivan. But I agree, I wish they made it a hatch. That would have been even better

>>16179178
Pretty much the only thing that is Toyota is the direct injection

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>>16179269
Zenki 86 is best 86

>>16179281

And head design, thats more Yamama space magic though.

>>16179084
Toyota gave money to Subaru to design this car, it has Subaru's engine but with Toyota's injectors in it, then each put their own spin on the car.
>>16176172
Its still there, the tranny cant solve a header issue.

>>16179281
I hate facelift but this is nice

>>16179685
I hate it too. The Toyota looks like it's going to be sick.

>>16179265
The guy you rent your shitty house/apartment from, for instance, probably has a degree.

>>16179265
>real men are retarded
good one billybob

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One thing that is driving me towards wanting a GT86 one day is that all cars after 2008 don't have to get emissions testing done anymore. It might be a fun project to pick up an GT86 in a few years and do some engine mods to it

I'll probably end up with a used ND though instead.

shit car for wannabe car guy faggots. "whoa dude that looks like a racecar!!" the best part is that toyota knew a bunch of wannabe dagumi faggots would buy this car so they put an underpowered garbage engine in it to prevent all the retards from killing themsleves.

>>16179905
Wouldn't the fact that it's underpowered be a selling point for wannabe dogumi faggots?

>>16179905
What? The 86 revival wasn't about power, it was about balance and cornering, bet you like vettes you faggot.

>buying a 20-30k mileage used brz for 20k

smart or not worth just spending extra 5-7k more for a new one?

>>16180007
>liking corvettes is bad
Wew

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>>16180036
>Out turned by a ford and outrun by a GTR
GM trash BTFO

>>16169505

in norway a FRS/86 is 50k USD new and a mustang is around 100-130k USD due to our taxes on engine performance and emissions, probably similar laws in a lot of western europe.

>>16180184
Sounds pretty cucked senpai desu
Thor wept

>>16180184
wow

In germany the Gt86 is $32k and the V8 Mustang is $45k (focus RS is $42k)
You guys are totaly cucked.