Why don't young people trick out old cars instead of drivings

>Danny kucker

Ayy lmao!

They "ridilly diddley truck out" old civics and Miatas 1990 was 26 years ago

fuck off grandpa

Because boomers want $10,000 for a 67' rolling shell with more rust than metal.

>thinking airbrushing looks good on fucking anything
>being wrong
pick two

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>>16149111

Because the parents of the millennial generation bred a bunch of sissy cunts who want to drive "safe" "new" "good" cars instead of rolling around in 2 tonnes of glorious Detroit steel.

Fucking sad too, even an ugly fuck like OP could probably get mad poon if he just drove an old Camaro or Mustang. Instead the only people he attracts driving his NB MX-5 are other ugly butt pirates.

You want retards molesting nice old cars?
Just what every vintage needs. No springs and a spoiler the size of the golden gate bridge.

Driving one of these old cars before the age of 35 is pretty retarded OP. Let the youngsters ride in more affordable cars with good MPG

>>16149121
this

>>16149111
because that's a stupid idea and everyone knows it. cool as hell, but fucking stupid.

>>16149111
Older cars are expensive to maintain, and prices are going up for most cars.

>>16149405
This. Directly because of Boomers, too. A vicious cycle. Those cars used to be fun to mod back then but now they cost too much due to nostalgia tax. So Miatas and Civics it is

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>implying I don't have an old car I'm modding and a luxobarge civic
Git gud

>>16149405
>>16149414
I mean an old lancia will be but my truck costs pennies to operate outside of gas mileage.

I can't imagine a 66 mustang coupe would cost much either, and they're pretty crap

>>16149435
>Crap
Cheap*

>>16149111
>'32 Ford
Why keep repeating the same old song?

>>16149111
>crappy old cars
>terrible styling
>slower than a honda civic
>carbeurators
>bad gas mileage
>boomer tax
>boomers in general, t b h

>>16149481
Carbs are great on cars, easy as fuck to figure out. I suck at bike stuff though

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I'm not gonna lie. If I had unlimited funds, I'd buy a really rare European hand built bourgeois buggy. Specifically one that's been devalued in some way. Bad condition or not able to be restored anymore for some reason.
And then I'd turn it into a hot rod.
>murikan vee ate
>chop the top
>the more I can mangle it the better
>tfw destroying a rare old car just to go fast for a quarter mile

Ton's of millennials like old cars, you just don't find them shitposting on /o/.

Ever think that the people you're asking about just happen to like their Civics or Miatas? Not everyone likes hot rods, just like not everyone (like you) likes a Civic or Miata.

Diversity is what makes the world go round.

>>16149549
went to the last classic car day in my town. Don't know about yours but the guys at mine were all 50+, did find a handful of blokes in their late 20s-early 30s. But they all inherited their cars.

>A site populated by weebs prefers jdms and dorriftoing and Kei cars to giant American bathtubs

Gee, I wonder

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>>16149628
>American bathtubs

I like the way rogan said it american cars = dinosaur on roller skates

>>16149111
Accessibility

Less restoration work just to go fast

because older cars were the miata or civic of their generation. also its a lot easier and cheaper most of the time to find a miata or civic.

>>16149628
but japs love muscle cars, and since weebs love japs they should love muscle cars too.

>>16149111
Because people like in your picture made TV shows about doing just that, but they also gave the illusion that a piece of shit can be worth $100k with a few weeks of spit and polish. So restorable examples of the car in your pic are $15k with no drivetrain.

So instead the younger generation let's boomers sit on there shit for eternity and mods things they actually can afford

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>>16149663
Clearly you don't understand weebs.
Weebs love a romantic vision of Japan. Having never been to Japan, they see all the cool stuff in it. And never the boring or mundane things.
It's the love of the idea of Japan that weebs are enthralled with.

Not the Japan with the huge conservative streak.
Not the Japan that's xenophobic to the point where foreigners can't climb corporate ladders. Not the Japan that pushes men to suicide if they can't climb that corporate ladder.
Not the Japan which has given the world some of the weirdest fetishes, but which is itself one of the most sexually conservative nations out of the developed world.
Not the Japan which has a criminal underworld consisting entirely of old stock families that in many ways are irrelevant.
Not the Japan that smokes up a fucking chimney and kills itself with tobacco.
Not the Japan that has a nearly inaccessible automotive culture due to the insanely high tax rates and ridiculous safety inspections which forces most Japanese to either never have cars, or to buy new ones often.
>taxed for your parking spot which you must have before you get a car
>massive tax break for buying a new car(yay!)
>after first five years and every two years after that, you must pass inspections
>inspections that are ludicrously strict and make Germany's inspections look like an American safety check
>if any part is going to go soon, or if an inspector has a bad day, he can write for you to replace any part on the vehicle in order to put it back on the road
>you also get dinged annually at every inspection for more delicious tax money
>as a result, Japanese used cars often go straight to auction blocks, where they're mostly sold off to New Zealand and irrelevant shithole countries for pennies on the dollar
>oh and motorcycle licensing and insurance is really restrictive
Seriously, Japan's actually pretty shitty to live in. Especially for guys on /o/.

>>16149873
>then the Japanese learn if they stick their base model Skyline away for a few decades they can sell it to stupid gaijin for 40 grand

>>16149889
All the Skylines went to NZ, Aus and some are going to Canada now. You'll be able to buy one for sixty grand from one of those brit loving bastards.

>>16149628
>JDM and dorifffto and Kei cars are all anyone can afford because boomers want $50k for their classics they put 15 miles on a year

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we were until the kids doing it grew up and like with any generation, the worthless cars they drove when they were young now have a sky rocket retail value, hence why you can have a 500k hemi something original something, because nostalgia pays, I don't know why, maybe the community is to blame, demanding no low brawlers because "I know what I have"
or maybe it was the used car industry? maybe both

>>16149111
>Why don't young people trick out old cars instead of drivings civics and mitatas?
Civics and miatas are old cars though

>>16149111
Because most young people can't afford old cars.

I do wonder if car shows 30 years from now will be a bunch of grandpas in Evos, Miatas and other stuff like that while the kids of that generation bitch about 90s Civics costing 40k

Because practicality affordability, reliability, etc.

Why the fuck would someone buy a classic worth a shit for 20-30k when they could buy a 10 year old economical car that's fun to drive for 6-10k?

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>>16149418

>>16149111
Boomers.

If those faggotwhores didnt buy up every classic car and let them rot in their open yard while turning away people who want to buy it under the premise of "fixing it up someday", I would gladly drive an older car. Gladly.

because any old car worth restoring is $80,000 with no engine, transmission, wheels, or interior.

>>16149111
Prewar cars don't interest me. Besides the Chrysler Airflow and the 39 Ford they all look literally exactly the same. That and they're not really daily driveable since for anything besides a Model A you're gonna have a REALLY hard time finding parts without being able to fabricate them yourself.

>>16149111
because they actually should be spending their money on things that arent a complete waste, like a car that will reliably get them to work every day

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>>16149146
>middle age crisis people and rockabilly fans take perfectly good old cars, drop them to the ground, chop the roof and make the seating position akward
>That's ok cause it has character now, but fuck the stancefags.

Both need to stop

>>16149111
Because modifying old cars is custom work, unlike a "custom" civic made from off the shelf parts

Also price

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I look at it through the lense of practicality
>2,000lb miata that costs less than $5k with mass produced parts and great mpg
VS
>4,000lb boomer-mobile that costs a ridiculous amount of money with dwindling parts availability and can't break the 15mpg to save it's life.

>>16151751
You can get 18 mpg out of a first gen mustang with a 302 and have more posts availability than the mists could dream of

>>16151751
Do you have a picture of the aftermath?

>>16151751
I'd really love to see what happened when they tried to drive it.

>>16149111
because all of the 240z are fucking rust buckets

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>>16151751
>4000 lbs
Nice straw man
>dwindling availability of parts
Are you fucking dumb you can build certain models stright from a catalog every single part for about 60 percent of classics are being reproduced
>miata
>5 grand
If your lucky but yea maybe 5 years ago before people like you started buying them up and selling them for outrageous prices
>can't break 15 mpg
How many of these strawmen do you got laying around?

>>16152060
Nice billet valve train

>>16151862
Just get a falcon and build a mild straight 6 and get around 30

>>16149121
this.

maybe 3% of the metal on this hunk is usable.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Plymouth-Superbird-Tor-Red-440-6-barrel-pack-727-Auto-1970-Satellite-parts-/182311019487?hash=item2a729563df:g:zPAAAOSw8gVX~WvQ&vxp=mtr

>>16149488
This is the exact opposite of how it should be, you may be retarded.

>>16152077
Your completely wrong the reason its being sold for that much is because of the firewall tag and the numbers matching engine, when there's only a handful of those cars left people will go batshit insane for it
Plus you get a satellite too so that ain't too bad

>>16151751
>4,000lb
boomer barges are now starting to weigh less than Modern Car™
>dwindling parts availability
False, you can get any part for almost any car, new manufacture.
>can't break the 15mpg to save it's life
7 liter V8s regularly got 18+ mpg because they could literally cruise just above idle. It's all about how you tune it. Those massive "boat anchor" V8s don't break a sweat to keep the car moving.

>>16152071
>Build a straight six

That's stupid to do in America. For less money you can have a 302 that puts out more power than the i6 does built, and has a lower cog
>Unless you run a twin carb tunnel ram setup

>>16152083
Lol I had a Honda that the carb was just absolutely fucked every which way. Anecdotal, but I'd rather deal with one 4 barrel than sync 4 individual carbs

>>16152108
Just saying for a pure mpg build you could make a stright 6 that just sips on fuel
Or just a build a 460 and have a rev limiter at 1 grand so you don't have to resist the urge

>>16152102
Nah it's because he saw David Spade buy one on Barrett Jackson for almost a million and wanted to get a piece of that pie.
I will bet you any kind of money he has no idea people rob VINs off junk classics.

If you read the description, he pulled the drivetrain and is selling a "rolling chassis".

>>16152108
>than sync 4 individual carbs
Syncing is so easy, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>16152060
>miata
>over 5g
bro you're high

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Got dam.

I for real want to go to Japan, but it does sound fucking awful for me in the US, being used to the unrestrictive-ness of everything in general.
Cars, porn, shit like variety of mixed races, communities, and culture.

>>16152140
eh, just buy a brand new frame.

http://www.cjponyparts.com/dynacorn-complete-body-shell-fastback-1967/p/67FB/

>>16149873
sounds pretty great desu

>Why don't young people trick out old cars instead of drivings civics and mitatas?

Old cars were shitty vehicles when new, and their only value is as rolling folk art. You have to replace everything but the body and that isn't cheap. Then you have to feed the bloated, still ill-handling fuel hog you just built.

Generations of cars get USED UP. Then modders move forward. The "old" cars you see today superseded the earliest hot rods and preceding gow jobs. The nostalgia tax is also the only reason for the spectacularly good automotive aftermarket, so get over it and build something else.

Better yet, get supercar performance with a motorcycle instead of replicating boomer folk art that means nothing to your own era. When you are old and have money then you will buy what you wanted as a yungman if you failed to get it then.

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>>16152155
>Old cars were shitty vehicles when new
Post birth certificate fgt

>>16152130
>What the fuck is wrong with you
I'd rather not

Having
>Carbs
On your bike is a meme ;)

>>16152124
Yeah I guess. I think you'd be better off just getting like an original cortina or beetle or Morris Minor or mini if you want fuel economy

>>16152173
>Having
>>Carbs
>On your bike is a meme ;)
Typical words from a nobike

>>16152187
>He fell for the vacuum induction meme

>restoring old rust buckets
Why not just get a super seven kit and make yourself a brand new car?

>>16152137
Do a Google search it isn't that odd

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>>16152155
>old cars were shitty when new
>you have to replace everything
>not cheap
Are you 12?
What is a chevy 350
What is a 454
What is a 5 point oh
What is a falcon
Chevelle
Camaro
Mustang
Corvette

>>16149111
Because they want a car with modern conveniences, like a stereo, crash protection, and a chassis that isn't made of wet noodles.
Oh, and unibody construction so the body won't just tear off the frame in an accident.

Affordability, lack of need to try be super edgy and the time they grew up in.

>>16149488
Who the fuck uses a carb these days? Even my shitbox first car was fuel injected. Even my goddamn 125cc Honda has fuel injection.

>>16149128
My crx is far from safe.

>>16149146
Boomers and hotroders already molest old cars with tacky flames, dumb looking roof chops and worst of all 20inch billet wheels.

>>16149951
CIvics wont ever be expensive unless type r models.

They will be like the chevy novas.

>>16149111
Because we're fucking broke, nigger. Also >>16149121

>>16152137
Depends on what country you live in.

>>16153213
I do ;)

I like carbs, they're pretty simple. Also you don't need an engineering degree to slap one on a small block and make it work

>>16149873
implying being conservative is bad

>>16153213
Kawasaki's KLR 650 is carbed in 2017
The Ninja 250 was carbed until 2007.
Suzuki's SR400 is still carbed.
Lots of bikes run their original tooling and die machines through their whole production life.

>>16153307
It is though.

>stop doing drugs
> stop dressing how i dont like
> only listen to top 40
> graffiti is bad
> just get a corolla
> motorbikes are dangerous
> rock music is degenerate

>>16153307
If your brand of conservatism includes anti vaccination policy, climate change denial, and is an off the cuff way to play off your low key racism, yes. It is bad.
And judging by how you're on 4chan and identify as a conservative, you probably are at least two of those.

>>16153307
socially conservative is, but fiscally conservative is pretty lame.

>>16153385
I actually meant fiscal conservative is up in the air

Does anyone have a list of what Danny has on his garage?

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>>16149111
Because I like my old cars the way they came from the factory.

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>>16153445
>tfw you are going to molest a perfectly good stock 66 chevelle cause muh street demon

>>16153397
6 or 7 nice cars that are either stock or tastefully modified
And about 700 ruined cars

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>>16153599
>tfw I am going to modify the FUCK out of my '65
at least it will be better than stock

Because they still need to be able to daily drive the tricked out car. This is the only reason.

Hey now I'm only 20 and I'm dead set on a 2nd gen camaro as my first car, keep it for as long as possible. Don't jump to conclusions OP.

>>16152145
>http://www.cjponyparts.com/dynacorn-complete-body-shell-fastback-1967/p/67FB/

Didn't know that was a thing, neat

>>16152145
Now do that for a Datsun 240z.
Pls

>>16149111
2F2F is the reason.

>>16154159
I can't remember the last time I saw an Eclipse on the road.

>>16149111
I have no knowledge of how for use any sort of tools. I don't even know how I'd get started.

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>>16153678
niceee

>20k on a c5 vs 20k on a barely functional piece of shit with less power
>3k for a miata vs 3k for rust
Restoring cars can be fun but functional classics cost a fortune.

>>16153376
Still salty Trump won huh?

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What are the appeal of these? No one would even have heard of these had it not been for Fast and the furious movies

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>>16154901

The reality is 90's Japanese automobiles are just objectively superior in every way. There is a reason they dominated the auto industry from 80's to late 90's.

>>16149514
>hot rod
disgusting

>>16154983
>There is a reason they dominated the auto industry from 80's to late 90's.
They fit right in in the malaise era.

>>16149146
Add on flared fenders and you described SEMA, bud.

>>16154983
>what is the epa

>>16149111
because most autistic millennials only care about
>muh t e c h n o l o g y
>hurr auto braking
>durrrr airbags
>dae le tesla is great????1//1/??//?

no young people want to drive old, loud, & cool shit anymore

being coddled is apparently a trait that millennials value highly

Young people trick out computers. I remember seeing an article back in my /g/ days that said overclocking was the new hotrodding.

If they are fucking with cars it's going to be from the 80's to the 2000's. Look in any high school student school parking lot(I live east of Toronto, I know that these figures change a lot depending on location) and of the 5% to 10% of cars with any character are 75% trucks from the late 80's to mid 2000's, 20% /o/ tier shitboxes from the late 90's to present, and 5% actually good sports cars or muscle cars from the early 80's to mid 2000's.

Now I never really talked to anyone outside of the group that took all the shop classes, which is probably 15% of the 2017 graduating year. Nearly everyone in this group is into cars or motorcycles. But the problem is that no one in this generation can find a job and if they do they still just can't afford to play with cars, Cheap bikes are somewhat common but when you live in the city you have to find a way to get somewhere to play with them. When you don't have parents that are already into this you better hope you have friends who will bring you along. Even most of the people outside of the shop classes express interest in cars, but because the cost is so far outside of their realm they don't care that much about them and spend their money on phones and weed.

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>>16149514

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>>16156387
This anon summarized it well.

I'm in high school. I have had an interest in cars since I was four years old. I saved up for driving school and got my licence just to find out that insurance for my 1986 shitbox dream car would cost 600 dollars a month. That doesn't even include the annual registration fee, gas, and maintenance costs, let alone any modifications. I applied to nine minimum wage paying jobs and I was either ignored or denied. Now I sit at home and waste away on imageboards. The fortunate few that can drive cars here all received their cars as gifts and their parents pay any expenses. There are many people here who have an interest in cars (60s/80s Muscle, 80s/90s JDM, 80s/90s European) but nobody here has the money to afford them or any car for that matter. Out of the eighty people in the four automotive classes, seven have cars.

>>16156863
*license

I guess either spelling is correct.

>>16156863
I don't think there's a single person at my school who paid the proper value for their car, pays for all the gas, maintenance and pays for their insurance as the primary driver. I know last year there were a few. The closest I know of is my friend who was practically given a truck but has to do everything else himself. I'm still trying to figure out how I got so lucky to get a free $500 car and 6 months of insurance($1200) for free.

>>16149418
Damnit Kit Kat that truck looks so comfy.

>>16152140
This pic makes me so happy.

>>16149111
Hobby for rich boomers. Further inflated by reality shows about people making bank on restoring old clatterboxes and selling them to other boomers... and even in those shows you see restorers rolling in modern SUVs and pickups, so lel.

>>16155931
LE EPIC I HATE MILLENNIALS MEME

No you fucking mong. Millennials just don't like to get economically dicked so they don't buy a car that won't work right from the dealer.

They aren't autistic, they want modern features in a new fucking car for a new car price.

They don't want to pay grandpappy boomer fuckwad $50k for a rusted frame cause he knows what he's got and then spend another $100k tracking down parts.

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>>16157519
it's p comfy

>>16157545
also this is pretty accurate, but if you want a classic car, odds are you will buy a cheap one

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>>16157545

THIS

Old muscle cars are cool and all, but a fucking $26k BRZ is faster in a straight line than a 67 camaro SS now which can cost upward of $35k for a nice condition one.

The BRZ also has bluetooth, usb connector, navigation and even fucking heated seats. Plus it handles and drives a billion times better.

>>16157559
Hey I posted both of the posts you replied to.

I mean I am going to buy a classic car as soon as I get a real job that pays more than $10.15 an hour after college.

But I am going for a 63 VW Beetle I can daily drive on a short suburban commute to my IT job.

When i get back from basic, im gonna go out and finance a classic car. No modern vehicles for me ever again.

>>16157597
beetle's are cool. be aware that a stock 63 probably puts out like 25 or 30 hp. Also apparently they are really easy to work on, but require a decent amount of maintenance.

>>16157608
>finance a classic car
>on an army budget
there are worse economic decisions you could make, but most of them involve never riding, then buying a brand new literbike as a firstbike.

>>16157610
I don't need more horsepower than that. They can top out at around 65-70mph that is enough for me.

Just going to be doing town driving anyway.
I know enough about them from being obsessed with them since I was 8 to be able to handle the maintenance plus a good friend of mine is a mechanic anyway.

>>16157638
there's a difference between topping out and acheiving though. As long as you have another car it's good. For instance, if you run it at 65 for too long, odds are your engine will blow rather quickly. My truck tops out at around 83-85 (fastest I have gone is 82). If I ran it at that speed, i'd blow the motor. So when I run on the highway, I do about 70% of that top speed and cruise at 60mph. the engine doesn't really like it, but it's nothing that it can't take.

if you have something to use as a daily when you actually want to go places, you'll be good though. that's why I have the acura.

>>16157663
I have a 2013 Beetle with the 215 HP Turbo Charged setup so yeah I am good.

>>16157618
Ill be an E3 in the coast guard, only doing it for 4 years for experience. Got a degree in a high paying and specific area.

I could finance a 30k truck like every other 18 year old, or i can finance a 15k classic (with 5k down). Remember, rent and all that is already taken care of; i just have to pay for cell, gas, insurance, and food. I can easily afford a cheap car note.

>>16157663
What do you drive? Im fairly certain my 04 silverado can only do 80 with a tail wind, but ive gone 75mph all day without trouble.

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>>16157673
nice

>>16157693
well, sounds like you've thought this through. good luck m8 and do some hektik skids.

>>16157699
A '65 F250 with 4.11 towing gears, no overdrive, and a low revving truck i6

>>16157699
Well older cars often lacked an overdrive gear (ie a 60s 3spd auto/4spd manual would be equivalent to ignoring the last gear of a modern 4spd auto/5spd manual) so they'll probably be revving higher at those speeds than a modern car.

(Although some of the older cars had a separate, 2spd overdrive transmission , many don't)

>>16157890
I have a C6 auto, and no overdrive and this is entirely correct. I hope at some point I can get a Gear Vendors over drive unit to lower RPMs and get a middle acceleration gear between 1 and 2.

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>>16152077

>I can't afford a muscle car
>posts a plymouth superbird as an example

>>16157915
I see! Although FR cars have a geared differential, I'm not sure how that works in transverse engines.

Also, would 70mph running be any detriment to a 225 slant 6? Or is your low max speed speed due to the low geared differential?

>>16157944
depends entirely on your rear differential gears. odds are you are running something like a 3.08 or 3.50. so probably not that bad, it could be your cruising speed.

find the diameter of your tire, the gear ratio and your speed. Enter this into a calculator at the bottom of the post. This will let you know your engine RPM, and if you are comfortable with that number then go for it. if not, slow down.

http://www.crawlpedia.com/rpm_gear_calculator.htm

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>>16149111
Modern (~10-20 years old) cars are:
Cheaper to buy
>available
Easier to diagnose
>Teens just want to plug it into a computer and get a part # to replace
Have cheaply made performance (ish) parts
>ebay turbo, bro
Faster for the same price
>Teens won't want a 14 second 0-60 Ambassador when they could buy an 8 second 0-60 honda for cheaper
They can be found in droves in junkyards
More impressive to their peaked-in-highschool friends
They're not what their fathers have done
>Teenage rebellion
Lighter on gas
>minimum wage job
Debatably more reliable
>less usual maintenance
They grew up with them around
>nostalgia

>>16157977
Hmmm sites say all 6cyls for that year had 3.23 which makes...just under 3k. Seems decent. Dad's Mazda is at 3k at only 60mph while my previous car was at only 2k at 65...

>>16158126
you got to figure, what is your redline though? that would probably be fine though

>>16158136
Trying to find that out, although horsepower listings are at 4k or more.

>>16158166
redline is probably around 4500 rpm

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/V6/slant-six-specs.html

>>16149111
I personally think it's because it's how "classics" were seen/treated as back then.Just a decent daily driver that the owner takes pride in.

>>16158184
So basically don't go above listed HP/torque engine speeds? (If it's even able to without downshifting at too high a speed)

>>16158219
what? I just looked for the largest number.

odds are you'll hit valve float before you get anywhere that'll fuck up your engine.

>>16158219
as for highway cruising though, you'll figure that out by driving what is comfortable with your machine.

>>16158233
Well as far as work I only do two miles each way on I40 so I'm mostly on 55mph roads.

I don't really go more than 5 over the limit anyway so 70-75 is probably the fastest it'll ever go. The only bad thing I've noticed is that at 70 it has a veeeeery slight vibration, enough that the previous owner's cheap piece of shit CD player skips constantly. (65 and lower, only on bumps)

>>16158264
is it a wheel thing or does it feel like driveline?

>>16158269
Not sure really. I DO hear a slight "rumrumrumrum" from behind that gets faster with speed.

>>16149111
rare
slow
noisy
lethal
no spare parts
chaotic handling
super expensive
breaks down more often
has to pass inspection twice as often

Because young people trick out cars made for young people you dumbfuck. Why would you want more hipsterfaggotry?

>>16158281
>rare
no
>slow
usually, but can be made fast rather easily
>noisy
tru
>lethal
yes
>no spare parts
absolutely not
>chaotic handling
depends, usually not
>super expensive
no
>breaks down more often
not really, depends on the car and how you treat it
>has to pass inspection twice as often
absolutely cukt

>>16158279
no idea, i'd have to be in the car. Try to isolate where it's coming from.

>>16149873
This is why big government is shit

>>16158288
Should I put stands under the rear live axle and run it up?

>>16158294
nah, just go for a drive, turn off the radio and pay attention. you should be able to figure out if it's in front of you, to the left or right, or in the middle of the car slightly behind you.

>>16158289
Just an FYI, the tax breaks to buy new cars and all the inspections and such, keep people buying new cars.
And who directly profits from that?
Certainly not the government, who gives them massive tax breaks when they buy new cars.

There are quite a few other factors at work when you're talking about Japans' shitty car situation. The big four are really greedy. They managed to convince the government that economically speaking, Japan needs to constantly buy new cars. And Japan's consumerist culture is like America's, but worse.

>>16158302
>Certainly not th government
Exactly my point. That kind of stuff heavily lobbied for by Big Biz to have power over consumers, and because Big Gov has the power to make it happen it does happen. Take away Big Gov and Big Biz has no power to make consumers do jack shit.

>>16158297
I did say it sounded like it was behind.

>>16158311
yeah but it is either a driveshaft vibration, or it is an imbalance in the wheel, or your bushings shit are all fucked. odds are it's the first two

>>16158316
I suppose it'd be easiest to rotate wheels and see if it changes?

>>16158326
maybe, I would just go for a drive and see if it's from the sides, or from the middle. I have a wheel balance vibration and it is only at a certain speed.

>>16149111
>What is being poor
>What is not having the space
>What is not having the room

Plus, why would we want to?

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>>16158310
Except if you take away the big government, it has no power to protect it's own citizenry. Did you read about the robber barons of the Victorian period?
Because that's the kind of thing that happens when you have no one that can keep businesses in check.

What you need, is a powerful government. But one that's also transparent to the people. That's accountable to them. A small and powerless government can't force businesses to follow safety standards. It can't force them to not pollute. It can't force them to trade or behave ethically.

And that's the problem with our current society. We're trying to use a system that incentivizes people to behave unethically, to rip people off and exploit them for labour as cheaply as possible. And we're trying to get that to behave fairly, cleanly, responsibly, sustainably, and ethically.

We need a different system altogether.
>inb4 communism
Nah, I'm just looking for the post capitalist solution.
>inb4 but capitalism is natural
Not really. Humans existed without the system until the 19th century.
>but muh agrarian-
no. We're coming across much more evidence that ancient agrarian societies operated with no concept of what we recognize as capitalism.

>>16158336
I'll...try. I'll probably need a passenger for that.

I did learn, though, that you should never set your wheel bearings on the concrete without cleaning them (front drums). Good thing new ones were $7.

>>16157490
Congratulations on your car, man. I'd kill for free insurance too.

>>16158356
>Except if you take away the big government, it has no power to protect it's own citizenry.
Not true whatsoever. Small government =/= helpless government.
>no one that can keep businesses in check.
I never said anything about ancap, anon
>What you need, is a powerful government. But one that's also transparent to the people. That's accountable to them.
And I wish I had a space yacht. But neither are going to happen. Government is all about growing big and using more money to inflate the bureaucracy and its cronies in big business.
>A small and powerless government can't force businesses to follow safety standards. It can't force them to not pollute. It can't force them to trade or behave ethically.
What is justice system and the military
>And that's the problem with our current society. We're trying to use a system that incentivizes people to behave unethically, to rip people off and exploit them
Are you talking about government or capitalism? It seems to me the former, considering it owns the rule of law. We have seen more growth and more wealth for the most people since capitalism arrived on the world scene.
>And we're trying to get that to behave fairly, cleanly, responsibly, sustainably, and ethically.
It doesn't? Don't give me more puddle-depth leftist tripe, please.
>I'm just looking for the post capitalist solution.
There is no post capitalism. Nothing works better than the prices in the market system to efficiently allocate production and resources.
>Not really. Humans existed without the system until the 19th century.
Capitalism sprung from that existence. It's not like human incentives have changed much.
But sure, let's return to the "good ol days" when you worked the land every day until you died at the ripe old age of 50, if you weren't killed by invading armies.
>>but muh agrarian-
What? Sounds to me you spend too much time on /pol/ or /his/ and not enough time studying of real economics if you're putting those kinds of arguments in my mouth

>>16149111
Because those things look fucking stupid
>OH GEE LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY I WASTED ON THIS AGING GARBAGE
>I MADE A MATCHBOX LOOK AT ME
>NO MY COCK IS MASSIVE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

Literally worse than stancefags

>>16149111
>Gee why aren't all these young people living in a bum economy spending all their money on extremely overvalued cars and going for more practical options?

>>16158310
>Take away Big Gov and Big Biz has no power to make consumers do jack shit.

learn some history. if anything the cross between big gov and nationalism in it's various forms is one of the reasons you're not a citizen of omnicorp right now.

>>16157663
Beetles can run at 65 all day unless you have a super tired motor. I have a 78 bus and cruise at 65 on the highway fairly often.

>>16149128
>2 tonnes
More like 3, but okay.

>>16149111

Because it's fucking expensive. For the same money you could actually buy a brand new [2016 Ford Mustang].

>>16149128
Go back to your [$20/h] wage grampa.

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>>16158356
>What you need, is a powerful government. But one that's also transparent to the people. That's accountable to them.

We would genuinely have to elect artificial intelligence to every public office. Human beings are too fallible and we'd be back where we started within a year. Only an expertly designed program could possibly put up with the dumb shit its constituents would request of it and not kill itself or defraud the country.

>why arent young people spending money they dont have?


Fucking boomers.