Best NA 4 cylinder?

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>>16102517
S14B25

>>16102545
first post best post.

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>>16102517
The 4afe is a better engine
>>16102545
This is trash

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>>16102545
i do not disagree

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Of all time? The Offy. Dominated American open wheel racing for over three decades. Won the Indy 27 times between 1935 and 1970, of which 1950 to 1960 was a clean streak including the other two podium positions.

>>16102564
>one of the most iconic engines ever
>trash
Found the weeb

>>16102592
Also output of 2 to 3 hp/cube. More than half a century ago.

H22A

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>>16102584
>NA

This thing had a magnificent engine, too. Love frenchboxes.

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>>16102607

>>16102564
OP asked for N/A engines you inbred fuckwit, this one is turbocharged as you can see in the picture

>>16102564
>weeb faggot thinks his hachi-roku engine is better than one of the most iconic 4 cylinder motorsport engines of all time

Ford 1600 cosworth

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best

>>16102574
Do anodized fittings make your car faster?

>>16102656
enjoy your poor handling, high-maintenance large engine furfag

>>16102675
I have 4 cars and a truck and all of them are 4 cylinders

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>>16102656
I wouldn't mind an S14 powered lawn mower desu fampai

>>16102680
Any of them make over 200hp without the use of forced induction?

>>16102681
It would never run tho...

>>16102682
No, very few production engines do that.
Can you name me some stock non-fi 4 cylinders that make over 200hp?
I know we got the S2000, what else?
Stock, not modified by the consumer or a tuner.

>>16102691
The K20A, H22A, S14, whatever is in the Porsche 968

>>16102517
The 4a-he is overhyped weeb trash.
Kys op.

Best 4cyl?
For NA my money's on the K24, for FI probably the 4g63

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>>16102564
The problem with the 4AFE is despite being one of the most reliable engines ever made, it's tuning capabilities are very very limited.

I had that engine in my 1992 Celica STX.

Would choose the 4AGE any day. I respect the 4AFE, the engineering skills needed to make an engine that reliable are just amazing.

My brother bought the slightly more powerful 5sfe Widebody Celica GTS. That's a great 4 cyl engine too.

>>16102691
BTFO by >>16102703

>>16102690
With enough changes it could. Sure it'd have to be larger, but throw in a worm gear and you've got the 90 degree turn required to make the blade spin. Sure it'd be inefficient, but it would work.

>>16102691
Qr25de in the 2010 sentra se r spec v makes 200hp and 180lb ft of torque stock. Not sure if that's bhp or whp

>>16102709
BTFO how?
Like I said, very few production engines.

>>16102715
Its a nissan... it would never run

>>16102725
Very few production engines are exceptionally good, you are right.
I don't see why you are calling those engines lawn mower engines, if you yourself have 4 cars with 4 bangers and they are all worse than the ones you are insulting.

>>16102733
>I don't see why you are calling those engines lawn mower engines,

Asserting their perceived superiority on this anonymous image board. Do you not know how this works?

>>16102733
>I don't see why you are calling those engines lawn mower engines, if you yourself have 4 cars with 4 bangers and they are all worse than the ones you are insulting.
Because I recognize that they are shit, just because I own them doesn't mean I prefer them, they are just very practical and economical, that's all they have going fur them.
I'm not one to fall fur cognitive dissonance and think that just because I own something it's better than another thing.

>>16102740
Except you bought 4 despite the only reason being they're practical.

There is nothing practical about four cars. Get your head out of your ass

>>16102740
Why buy 5 cars that you dislike? Do you hate yourself?

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>>16102600
only because no headgaskets to blow
its pretty lightweight too
but most were NOT n/a

>>16102729
S14 is a BMW engine

>>16102767
>BMW engine
It would never run

>>16102769
it will but not for free.
for a 2.5 liter s14 done right you're looking at 10-15k.

>>16102754
>>16102752
I love the miata, it handles great and is RWD, good styling etc
I buy a vehicle for a purpose, my toyota pickup is a 22r and a great truck, my friend gave it to me, it's extremely reliable and durable, gets decent enough fuel milage, like I said, 4 cylinders are extremely practical engines.

My volvo is a 4 cyl which I'm tossing in the trash soon, that car has no business with an 80hp 4cyl being 3000lbs, it's silly slow.

The festiva is also getting the engine removed once the volvo is done, I'm thinking VR6 or K20/24 to replace the mazda B3

>>16102780
>buys weaboo rice burner thrash that he hates himself
>tries to justify it

>>16102798
hes a furfag you cant expect rational thought

>>16102597
>>16102618
>>16102707
>Think power is more important than reliability
Wew

>>16102798
I bought this volvo recently to get away from the jap shit, desu the toyota was given to me fur free so why would I turn it down?
I'm probably buying a vw mk2 as my next project.

>>16102828
You bough an 80hp Volvo to get away from jap shit?
Well it isn't Japanese, you got that right, but did you really have to buy a shitbox that accelerates to 60mph in 20 seconds because of that?

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>>16102838
I bought the car because I have a 5.3 chevy motor sitting in my garage that I wanted to put in something, the car was 400 dollars and RWD with a huge engine bay, it's only makes sense.

>>16102517
1zz-fe is better.

>>16102846
I think that temptations are destroying you. Well at least put the 5.3 in the Volvo now that you have it. It should turn out sick.

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Black top beams.

>>16102852
I originally bought the 5.3 fur my toyota truck but it would have cost me too much to get new axles and wheels fur the truck so I just said fuck it and bought this car to put it in instead.
2wd swaps are much easier and cheaper than 4wd swaps, the whole thing was only supposed to cost 2-3k, which will still be within budget even after buying an entire new car to put it in.

>>16102861
what car is this in? such a big engine bay

>>16102922
That's an average sized engine bay...

>>16102922
Not sure My guess is a AE86 or Celica or corolla

>>16102935
no way most cars have all sorts of shit like braces and stuff in the way. thats like a LTD sized engine bay

>>16102922
read the filename

>>16102950
No.

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>>16102950
lolno

its in a Carina which is basically a Celica with more doors

>>16102965
sorry i don't have a toyota fetish. but i thought those were solid rear axle? i dont see the potential

>>16102975
well this moved into meme b8 territory so I should be done here but whatever

1. you can plainly see it has rear camber that car isnt solid axle
2. some models had IRS from the factory
3. theres nothing wrong with solid axle anyway

>>16102827
>Bmw reliability meme
Try harder

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>>16102564
>SOHC

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>>16102517
EJ25d (Incoming headgasket memes)

>low center of gravity
>naturally cancels out its own vibrations
>revs easily
>sounds cool depending on who you ask

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m42b18

haha just kidding

>>16102631
Took u fags long

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>>16102517
The Iron Duke will outlive all of these engines

>>16102769
You've shown that you're completely incapable of objective thought by saying that. It's common knowledge to anyone who is into cars that engines from the pre-90s era of BMW are almost without exception impressively durable and long lasting.

>>16103052
M42 a shit

t. owner of a dead turbo M42 which was replaced by superior M20.

>>16103030
Are you retarded? Like honestly?

>>16103082
>m43tüb19
>bearings ate themselves right before 200k km
>timing chain had to be replaced
>blown headgasket
>warped head

the m42/m43 was literally the worst engines BMW ever produced.

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Not N/A but idgaf. This 1.5L 4 cyl made 1500 hp in the 80's. The fucking 80's. I forgot the name of it but it was used in F1.
inb4
>muh hp per liter

>>16103192
>could barely finish a couple laps
>even detuned it rarely finished a race
Bmw a shit

>>16103200
t. buzzkill killington

Damn you

>>16102631
>not the red top 2L
Go away

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>>16103214
2L, 220hp, 8400rpm, chain driven, extremely reliable. Can make nearly 300hp na with a k24 block and a hondadata k-pro

>>16103240
>only makes power from 8000 to 8400 rpm

>>16103247
Between 5800 and 9000 you mean

>>16103287
>rev to 8401 and the engine explodes

>>16103287
Honda engines usually make power about 100 rpm over redline.

>they don't really make power

>>16102517
>Timing belt
>Reliable
No

>>16102626
Never heard of it.

>>16103308
>non interference
>unreliable
No

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Ford's DOHC is a fucking amazing engine.
It's tough as fucking hell, it can take power like a motherfucker and it revs to 7.5k from factory
it's also simple enough that it's tunable and is cheap as fuck out of old fords

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>>16103806
you mean the YB? its turbo....
does not count mate

>>16103829
One of the best sounding, at least.

>>16102517
7AGE
K20A2
K24A2
F20C
F22C
2ZZ
3SGE
B20C
B18C
SR20
H22
4AGE
Ford BDA

>>16103910
lol what
are you serious?

>>16103815
>YB
no you fucking fag
the DOHC was a whole new block made by Ford when the YB was a DOHC conversion of the Pinto by cosworth
learn your basics

>>16103910
Dumb Americans. K20A2 a shit. Red top K20A1 a best

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>>16103930
>i offended a ford boy now he is mad

>>16103949
>offended
where the fuck do you get that from
just because I called you fag doesnt mean I'm offended

>>16103944
KA24 :3c

K20 or K24? From my understanding, a K20 makes for a better honda but a K24 makes for a better car. (I'm deciding on a 8th or 9th SI right now)

>>16104009
K20A makes like 220hp and the K20A2 makes a flat 200.

K24A2 only makes 200 and revs to 7k instead of the 8k limit the K20 has.

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>>16103052
>>16103082
>>16103188
Can confirm, M43 is really shit. Is there a single worse 1.6 engine than that pile of steaming horseshit?

>>16102517
>wide angle valves
>poor flowing head
>weak block

Was an okay cheap engine for its time. Also sounds good. Okay for nostalgia fun cars but modern engines totally rekt it.

-4ag owner

of the engines posted so far i would say the top 3 are
2ZZ
the porsche 944/968 with the good 16v head
not all of these were made equally
and the S14B25

>>16104154
>>16103188
Negative. The M40 is far inferior to the M42/3

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Alfa TwinCam

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>>16103073
But will it outlive a Volvo redblock?

>>16102691
>>16102703
K24Z3 as well.

>>16102517
Highly tune able? They only last a couple hours at 200hp na
Shit engine for tuning

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>everyone ITT posting and arguing over trash

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>>16102517
Half of an LS1.

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>>16102517
F20C
2.0 L
247 hp JDM
237 hp USDM

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>>16102517
The Rover K series is a pretty great engine
>inb4 muh head gasket

>>16103041
Boxer rumble is alright i guess?
Headgasket memes aside
the engine out put from factory is comparable to engines like the b16 , which are almost half the size,plus they only come in rather average handling cars

>>16102642
how was this not posted first? They're stupid reliable and the highest hp/l NA 4 banger ever made in a production car.

>>16104743
>if everything scaled perfectly, this would make 120hp if it were in 4 cylinder form.
>this came out of a "performance" car
top kek.

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>>16102517

>>16105383
>2.85L
>120hp

lmao

>>16103910
You forgot the F20B

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>>16104511
I think you mean k20z3 or k24z7, but agreed, K series is hot shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FghHghOaypM

pic related is my k24a2, swapping a built k20z3 head on it over winter.

>>16102691
k24a2
k24z7

both make 205 from factory if I remember correctly

>>16102517
All answers that aren't Mitsubishi Sirius or Offenhauser are wrong. The Lancia V4 and Triflux engines are acceptable, too.

>>16105383
>>16105425
More like 175 horsepower. Makes you wonder why GM doesn't just glue a couple of Ecotecs together at the crank.

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>>16105699
>mfw Ecotec V8

How did this thread wind up with bench racers obsessing over the HP/L of the LS engines?

>>16102755
Wow I didn't realize the Offy was so lightweight.

>>16105561
I know Il sound a bit grumpy but...all that work for a high 14s FWD car is a bit depressing.

>>16105813
But the slightly better fuel economy!

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Ok guys, OP here, the correct answer was F20C

>>16105916
Not even the best Honda engine.

>>16102606
While I love the H22A (I've had two 5th gen preludes) I think the K20A is objectively a better motor because it doesn't use those fucking god awful FRM cylinder sleeves that result in you blowing a quart of oil out your tail pipe for every tank of fuel you use. Plus higher power output and better fuel economy.

>>16105916
Only if you resleeve the cylinders

>>16105968
the stock block can hold up 500hp as a daily, and some dyno queens have gone past 700hp on a stock block. wtf are you talking about? the frm liners are perfectly fine.

>>16105976
Yeah they're great, until they've chewed the rings to shit after 50k miles. I've had 4 Hondas that they used the FRM liners in (one 3rd gen prelude, two 5th gen preludes, and one S2000), all four of them blew massive amounts of oil out the tail pipe after 50k - 80k miles. And these are not flukes, this is a commonly known issue with these motors.

>>16106008
maybe it's because you fucking suck at life? my s2000 burns about a quart every oil change which is like 5000miles

>>16106008
There are plenty of other guys with 250k on their S2000s with minimal oil ingestion

>>16106016
>>16106037
>it didn't happen to me so it's not an issue

There are TSB's for the AP1 S2000, preludes, and even the NSX for excess oil consumption associated with the FRM sleeves.

>>16105813
>I know Il sound a bit grumpy but

Idk if grumpy is what you sound like anon..

>>16106134
almost all hondas consume excess oil, even more so with vtec. you're a fucking idiot.

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STEP ASIDE PLEBIANS
MAKE WAY FOR THE KING

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>>16102517
Pic related.

>180hp/L in 1991
>19500rpm rev limiter
>gear driven cams
>stupid reliable, considering what it is and how it's used
>will do 100,000+km easily without needing to be rebuilt, even with poor maintenance and being thrashed to fuck
>45hp from 249cc
>nothing like it has been made ever since

>>16106207
>it's ok, they're supposed to burn shitloads of oil

So all honda motors are inherently flawed, got it.

>>16106269
Stop wanking over 250 i4's.

>>16106293
>stop liking what I don't like!

Why?

>>16106391
They sounds like satan with an open pipe, but they just have no power under 10k. At all. You have to chop down to put on the beans.
Great for around town though, but open road never.
>Sitting at 11krpm for most of a 600km trip

>>16106429
You don't need power to sustain speed, you only need it to accelerate. If you're taking a 600km trip you're going to spend the majority of it in top gear at cruising speed with no need for peak power.

>>16106442
To clarify, I own one of these and I did such a trip several times. I did not enjoy all of it. Being a naked bike it's worse than a CBRRR, but my point still stands.

>>16106442
>You don't need power to sustain speed
That's wrong, though. You wouldn't need power to maintain speed in a frictionless universe, but in the real world you need to overcome air resistance, bearing friction, rolling resistance, etc.

>>16103188
M42 did none of these things. The m40/m43 are of one family and the m42/m44 are of a different one. They share a similar block design but that is it

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>>16106442
Gerp.

>>16102615
Lol guys look its bait. He's very poorly implying that the alternator is a turbo. We lad indeed!

>>16106470
It's not bait, it's an /o/ running gag. Don't be so quick to point out someone being incorrect and make fun of them.

EA82

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>>16106269
>220 HP/L from a 250cc V-twin in 1995

>>16106491
If 2 stroke halve it's power to get an idea of how it stands vs 4 stroke engines

>>16102517
big end bearing fail ?

>>16102645
better question is why the pink and blue ?
they have been like that since the 80s

4 bangers are for faggots. Seriously, only a shit dick would spend money tuning such crap. Even the s18. Real motors come in 2,3,6,8,12 configurations. 4's are for farm equipment, generators and dildos.

>>16106491
Yes, with the engine stolen from an RGV.
A v twin. A 2cyl.

Does not adhere to 4cyl rule ;D

>>16106391
>>16106429
bikes don't get much heaver than 400 kg

>>16106592
Wat.

>>16106460
I was referring to max power. You need far less power to maintain a speed you're already going than you do to get to that speed. That is why max gear in most vehicles will have you running at relatively low RPM at highway speeds.

>>16106270
Old style vtec is oil activated, it burns oil by design whenever you rev above 5800 or whatever it is

>>16106592
...and?

>>16106491
>V-twin
oops, someone doesn't know what this thread is about

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>>16106518

>>16106677
>it burns oil by design
So now we have two people confirming the inherent flaw in Honda's engines.

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>na 4 cylinder

>>16106726
>billy how come your sanctioning body lets you have one piston in two cylinders

>>16106618
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_cbr250rr%2090.htm
143 kg

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_gsxr1300r%2011.htm
220kg

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/munch/munch_mammoth_2000.htm
354 kg

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/h-d/harley_davidson_fltruse%20cvo_road_glide%2016.htm
422 kg

>>16106735
that's not an NR500

>>16103030
It's not sohc, it's dual, just single pulley gear driven to the other one

>>16102729
It's a fucking bimmer motor you tard.

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http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/boss_hoss_bhc-3_502_2007.php
587.9 kg

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/custom%20bikes/dodge_tomahawk.htm
680.4 kg

>>16106783
ah woops i goofed

>>16106708
>old style VTEC

>>16102517
7age 20v
sr20ve

>>16103910
Nice list, love me a BDA and 4AGE

>>16103073
2.5 L 90 HP
that's not a surprise

>>16106677
oil pressure is used to slide a locking pin, why would it end up burning it?

>>16106269
>only specific output matters
fuck off kid

>>16106988
>7AGE 20V
OP said production 4cyl, not a custom hybrid because if that was the case the K hybrid takes the cake

>>16102716
That's whp.It's amazing it could rev to 7k with a 100mm stroke.

>>16102864
>fur
Stop this. Stop substituting words. It's bad enough you trip.

>>16104615
Such a beast of an engine. The fact that it's production, for consumers and has a warranty makes it very impressive.

>>16108098
Why does it bother you?

go home bikefags

>>16102861

Yuss

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>>16104506
nothing will outlive the OG redblock

>>16102716
>>16108090
>Manufacturer ratings
>WHP
Are you both retarded?

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>>16108090
that's definitely crank bro. there's absolutely no way that the b16 qr2.5de makes 200whp when the b15 qr.25de makes about 145whp stock.
source: i own a b15 spec v.

>>16108020
Did you read ops question? Doesnt state it has to be a production engine mate

>>16108769
Then fuck the 7AGE, it's garbage compared to the BEAMS which isn't a hybrid, and furthermore it gets stomped by a K24 bottom/k20A1 upper hybrid

>>16108804
Calm down cunt im not a fan of hondurr so its just my opinion based on experience, is that alright with you? How many hybrid motors have you used personally? Ive just finished helping a mate with his 4age levin which we built the 7age for its fucking crazy and with a car topping the scales at 770kg its scary fast

>>16108877
Actually I'm just fucking about, I'm surprised so many in here have even mentioned the 7AGE 20V, but it's a bitch to get it set right from what I've heard, and I've seen that kiwi's channel 7agte on YouTube and he's got that ae92 running over 500whp and doing pretty good on road courses

>>16108590
>>16108614
I had a massive brain fart. I meant crank but whp was the last thing I read.
>>16108614
I have an 02 spec v that's falling apart. I have a vis carbon fiber hood I never put on it because of that reason. I'll sell it cheap as fuck.

>>16108158
Different anon rn, but its legit autism. I cant stand stand Mr. Cummy. And I'm a scalie

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>>16108614
Look at my paint. It's shit. I guess the red paint had a clear coat issue. It literally bubbled off the paint. I think I'm going to spray paint it to protect from rust.

>>16108890
Furthermore my other issue with a 7A 20V is that turboing gets more costly with one of these because of the ITBs, you have to have a custom plenum made because the stock ones can only handle up 200hp before they blow apart, and boosting is the only way to get good power out of these

Basically what I'm saying is for all the money you would be putting into a 7A, you'd be better off putting it into a 3S or a K series

>>16108986
>scalie
I seriously hope you don't think you're better than furries, much worse if anything.

>>16108567
That engine looks simple as fuck

>>16108567
EA82 is the only 4 cylinder that stands a chance outliving that

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>>16108167
>Car (((enthusiast)))
lmao, top cuck!

>>16103979
>damage control

>>16109437
Because it is
that's the double carb version tho so it is more finicky but the B18A is simplicity and reliability incarnate
>>16109481
Is there many EA82s that went 1+ million miles without a major overhaul?
And can it start up and idle like a factory car after being stocked for years on end?

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>>16109628
I've seen better.

>>16109628
>idle like a factory car after being stocked for years on end?
The idle on mine is shit but it still runs great, I know that they can go 1million plus miles

The le5 ecotec is pretty good. ill swap one in my na8 when(if) the engine blows. good torque and power low rpm mpg's can be tuned for 200 lbs-ft and 200 hp with 90 octain.

>>16106765
The
>wat
Is coming from not knowing why the weight of a bike has come into play, suddenly and without context.

>>16105399
based AF

>>16105399
I could be wrong but I dont think that's naturally aspirated.

2zz ge

>>16112680
a shit

>>16106479
This guy is shitting on rappers.

>>16112663

No turbo on that model. It's got a blower but it's still NA. 2 stroke magic.

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>>16106518

>>16112755
>it has a supercharger but it's still NA
Wew lad

>>16102922
>such a big engine bay
FOR YOU

>>16112755
>It's got a blower but it's still NA
K E K!
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K
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E C O T E C
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>>16113822
Only good when boosted

>>16102517
K series engines and the f series.
>>16105961
This

>>16113822
Why do people like the Ecotec engines so much? Are they million-mile reliable or something? Spec sheets tend to make Ford's Duratec look superior.

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>>16113822
>>16114119
>tfw turbo Ecotec

>>16114369
They take boost really well.

>>16114369
Ok, hold on, I like Ford more than a lot of niggers in this board, but there's no way the Duratec 4cyl engines are better than the Ecotecs, and i fucking HATE GM

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1000cc, 200HP, this sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWsFBXilAD0

>>16114369
They saved Baja racing.

>>16103309
He means cosworth bda. The engine Toyota copied the design of to make the 4age.

>>16109526
Fuck, those vents. hhnngg
Only think I don't like is the asymmetrical headlight.
>>16109683
What is it called when the head isn't cross-flow again?

>>16112755
Pls be b8
>>16114460
Doesn't do it justice.
https://youtu.be/71BSJVXl8wU
Even this isn't as good as irl

>>16112755
>It's got a blower but it's still NA
fullretard.jpg

>>16102517
I like b18s but that's because it's what I have in my car.

>>16105765
The B18Cx engines would be the 4 cylinder equivalent of the LS V8 if only they spun the right way. People would swap them into literally everything.

>>16104506
K-jet in a 240 ? fug that's nice.

Kinda tossed between the F20B and the K24A2
The F20 revs to 8k and puts out 200/151
The K24 revs to 7.5k and puts out about the same
The F20 is basically a destroked H22 with ton sleeves instead of FRM and it makes great power with boost, but so does the K24A2

Dunno lads, I like em both

>>16115121
K24 has a better aftermarket and spins the right way.

>>16102642

This is objectively the correct answer. Dat HP/L, correct engine orientation, reliable as fuck, forged internals.

Honda is still for faggots though (S2000 is a possible exception, but the engine would serve better in some retro Jap shitbox like a 1st gen Celica).

>Performancefags arguing with reliabilityfags and vice versa

Just pick 2 engines or split them into 2 categories, you double niggers

1. F20C
2. K20A
3. 3S-GE BEAMS blacktop

1. Based 22R-E
2. 4A-FE
3. Iron Duke

>>16115121
I thought it revved to 9k

I also thought it was a new motor. Maybe based on the h22?

>>16115567
You're probably thinking of the F20C, which is used in the S2000 and shares next to nothing with the rest of the F-series.
The other "F20" (F20A1, for instance) engines can be found in the Accord and Prelude in certain markets.

>>16115575
>F20A1
Meant F20A2.

>>16115575
Ah, gotcha. Thanks.

>>16115157
>Spins the right way
What did he mean by this?

>>16106207
my vtec d17 doesn't

4bt cummins
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpaktgSI1rs

>>16115925
Dude
>best NA 4cyl

>>16117144
Thumb looks like a really angry dog.

>>16117158
I don't see it senpai

>>16117144

The heads that were ported by Cosworth absolutely blew the S14 out of the water when it came to CFM flowed at 40" of pressure. Mercedes > BMW.