Mazda RX-9

I want to see the first LS swap.

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I want reasonable fuel economy.

Good luck with that..

mazda's current neurotic focus on weight savings combined with a modern rotary with modern materials sounds pretty tits

>he hasn't heard that it's a hybrid

>>16045605
a v8.

>>16045605
popup headlights

SA/FB type for sure. A throwback to the Wankels of old (RX-3, 4) would be nice but I think they already said it's going to be a hybrid

>>16045772
>I think they already said it's going to be a hybrid
They actually have said the exact opposite.
Why do you people just bullshit like this

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>2 door liftback coupe
>4 door luxury sedan (bring back the Cosmo!)
>throwback to the RX3/4 just to fuck with everyone
>single turbo baseline
>front-mid engine
>rwd or awd
>rotary station wagon with only two doors and all wheel drive
>turbo rotary panel van
>turbo rotary pickup truck
>turbo rotary miata
>replace the entire lineup with rotaries
>do this for only one year
I am an absolute madman and should not be allowed anywhere near a position of power in Mazda.

>3 rotor
>lightweight
>2dr coupe
>RWD
If these are given, the car can't fail

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>>16046259
The cosmo has always been a coupe, but it would be nice if they brought back the rx, cosmo and luce trio.

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>>16046279
>3 rotor
Not gonna happen. Mazda has already patened a 2 rotor turbo design for the rx9

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>>16046291

>>16046291
>>16046294
In this day of the partial revival of the horsepower wars, Mazda will need 3 rotors to compete with RX9's opponents

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>>16046286
My bad. I thought the Cosmo was a sedan because it's a four door.

>at least 1 tarbo
>lightweight
>as many rotors as you can fit
>full BRAAAAP

>>16047342
>rotating exhaust like an A10 Warthog gun

expensive supercar killer obviously
they have a Miata for that
FC was worst RX7 and a stain on the name
no that went horrible last time

>>16047676

FUND IT!

>>16047311
Literally this.

I'd love a blast-from-past shitbox with 300hp+ that can outhandle an FRS.

Were any of the RX7 really that good in stock form?

>>16046305
Mazda doesn't care about horsepower wars.

They did the *exact* opposite of the entire industry by making the new MX-5 the smallest, lightest and weakest Miata since the NA.

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>>16047304
He probably meant to post this. The car he posted was a 929, not a Cosmo.

>>16045605
>Lightwight
>Good handle
>2 Rotor Turbo
>RWD
>exhaust Electric-charger
>Ferrariish Hybridsystem
>Popuplight
>cheap

not gonna happen

>>16047727
the fuel injected or turbo FB and FD

>>16047761
>hybrid

get the fuck out of here

>>16046259
>rotary station wagon with 2 doors
>single turbo baseline
Would cop Turbro dorito shooting brake

>>16047788
Turbo FC...
Or are you the retard that doesnt like the FC?

>>16048003
he said stock
and I've never seen a stock SA or FC
the owners are always doing something to add more power

>>16048021
But the turbo FC stock was great
He asked how they were stock.

>>16047748
I posted a rotary luce, the real four door rotary, as I also wanted the revival of a rotary sedan.

>>16048179
929 is the export name of the Luce (see 280Z vs Fairlady Z). It was offered with a selection of drivetrains, including both piston and rotary engines.

>>16045747
no way they'd pass muh passenger safety.

unless they had hidden lamps that rotated fully around and the light would still be flush with the surface. I don't think lights that pop out meet the requirements anymore.

factory-approved pop-up retrofit kits when??

>250hp NA, 300hp tarbo
>not having to rebuild after 50k miles becuase of apex seals
(impossible)
>lightweight, 2+2

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>take new Miata Club
>extend nose by 9"
>extend rear by 6"
>wider fenders, 245 width tires
>hardtop
>wing
>better fascia
>better suspension
>twin rotor single turbo making 330ish HP


Done

>>16048259
Nah, try this:
>Take new Miata Club
>Extend wheelbase 8"
>Add rear jumpseats
>Box flares for 285 width tires
>Fastback with a targa option
>Moderately thicker FSB

>>16048295
>285 width tires
>285

no

>>16048233
>50k miles
Are you retarded

>>16048409
305?

>>16048443
I was just memeing but the apex seals and mainenance on the engine is bad compared to piston engines dude

>>16048459
You are ignorant.
Please tell me about how rotary maintenance differs from piston engines.
Please tell me how apex seals are an issue.

>>16048448
It's not an American track car, knock this shit off.

No higher than 255.

>>16045732
The fucking ceo said that it won't be a hybrid at first. Pure rotary only, otherwise people would think it needed to be a hybrid to be good. Mazda is very proud of the work they've done with rotaries

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I just ask that they make enough of them to go around

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i really hope the headlights look more normal

>>16048547
Yeah, concept cars rarely match what ends up being produced

>>16045605
400-HP from a turbocharged two-rotor, < 3000 LBS, and have it be upmarket to compete with Corvettes and the new Supra.

>>16048652
Mazdas usually do, but this car is slated for a 2020 release and they're gonna unveil at least one more concept car before then.

>>16048511

fekkin saved

>>16048742
>400 hp
> < 3000 lbs

Anon I have bad news for you . . .

>>16045605
>front plates
man I am in Ontario so the mazda RX's are just not for me. That Rx7's bumper looks so pitiful

>>16048870
Solution is to move out of Ontario

Military has me here and it blows, hopefully I'll get posted out west.

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>>16048547
pretty sure those types of headlights would be illegal somewhere in the world, hell probably even in the US
But this car + something more like the ND's front would make me cum on the spot

>>16048511
This is hilarious

>>16048836
Over 16 years ago the 13B-REW made around 280 HP from a TT 1.3L rotary. The new engine is going to be a 1.6L rotary with a single turbo that has all the magic of today's science and tricks to help beat emissions, so 350 HP shouldn't be hard to crack, but I'm hoping for more. Mazda themselves have stated 400HP is the maximum power they hope to achieve.

Mazda has been very good about weight reduction lately keeping even family sedans and SUVs light. They're talking about using carbon fiber in the chassis of the new mass-produced Miata for even more weight loss for fuck's sake. They've also stated that their weight goal for the RX-9 is 1300KG (2866LBS) and I don't see why they won't make it with a FR rotary.

>>16048969
from the factory it's not gonna be over 350 hp and weigh less than 300lbs

hate to break it to you

>>16048983
*3000

>>16048969
Isn't Mazda trying to create a really cheap way of making CF? Because that would be fantastic.

>>16048983

400 hp
1300 kg
FR
price range?

this specs destroy a45 amg, focus rs, base corvette, most pony cars.

However upper range vette and gtr can be up there.

>>16048983
The ND weighs 2200lb why would the new rx weigh over 3000lb? You seem so sure so please enlighten us

>>16049007
Guess how much power a 1.6 rotary makes on 10 psi (Mazda factory setting for decades) of boost anon?

follow up

Name a car with 400 hp that weighs less than 3000 lbs STOCK

>>16048983
Come on. You up the stock 13B-REW 's displacement by .3L (23%) and you'd be one downpipe upgrade away from breaking 350HP. It's not gonna be hard to break that with a completely new turbo rotary engine considering how far everything has come in a decade and a half.

>>16048993
Yup.

>>16049006
It's being priced like the original FD, so think of this car in the price bracket just below the new Z06.

>>16049044
>You up the stock
>stock

You answered your own question

>>16049053
I didn't ask any questions. I'm just pointing out that if you had 1.6L in the original 13B-REW it wouldn't be hard to break 350 HP, so I don't see why the new single-turbo rotary engine won't.

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>>16045605
>expensive supercar killer like the FD
>like the FD

delusional r/o/tards infiltrate our board again

>>16049064
see
>>16048983
>from the factory

I literally said stock
also
>increasing boost and decreasing freshness of your dorito

>>16049065
FD was in competition and price range against Porsche 911s and Corvettes

>>16045605
Expensive rx's are ridiculous. The RX-9 needs to be a relatively cheap sports car, with a nice chassis for fun driving. Nothing else.

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>>16049105
>911's & corvettes
>supercars

>>16049139
Not the same poster, dumbass

>>16049139
As fast as supercars

The main difference being that they don't fall apart in the first 10000km

>>16049196
>they don't fall apart in the first 10000km
This

If you look at the RX-7's racing history, it literally has more DNF's than wins/losses combined . .

>>16049089
And I'm implying stock the new engine is gonna make 350 HP or more. What I was using was an analogy to show how easy 350 HP will be with the increased displacement.

>>16049255
>citation needed

>>16049313
>stock the new engine is gonna make 350 HP or more
no
>>16049328
google dumbass
wiki already lists a good chunk of its race history

>>16049364
Why do you think it's not gonna make 350 HP or more?

>>16047813
But hybrid would be PERFECT for turbo rotary. forget filling in the gaps of a turbo v8 like the p1. What really needs torque gaps filled are wankles

>>16048496
I wish you were a tripfag so I could cap this post and make you look like a fool when it comes out and it's hybrid

>>16048511
>even though rotaries were banned immediately after that
That's at least half of the reason to brag

>>16049255
>>16049255
Take a look at the rx7s racing history? I see the most wins of any car in imsa history... and as for amount of DNFS... if yoire going to type something at least know what the fuck you're talking about idiot

>>16049328
He has none
His post is pure conjecture

>>16049364
Youre retarded literally kys

>>16049388
Why? Rotaries make peak torque around 3000rpm
You don't need anything under that

>>16049394
I wish you were a trip fag so I could humiliate you when it comes out and isn't a hybrid :^)

>>16049423
Good, now google the rest. It's blown up more times than people have even been able to keep count

>>16049388
A hybrid is 100% antithetical to the goal of the RX. It's supposed to be a lightweight FR sports that's easy to turn in due to a light front end. You add in some big electric motors and batteries and it's not an RX anymore. They tried a hybrid system on the NSX and look how that worked out.

Plus the torque is fine. Good enough for a burnout is good enough for me. The new RX is gonna have better torque with increased displacement and a 21st century turbocharger anyways.

>>16049394
Can you post where Mazda said this is gonna be a hybrid? I've been following this thing for a while and haven't seen anything to that effect.

>>16049439
I know rotary racing history in and out and you're a clueless faggot
Just stop posting kid Youre an embarrassment

>>16045605
I think it'll be an FD style machine designed to compete directly with the Cayman. A relatively affordable, quick, rotary car with solid handling is a pretty fitting machine to roll out for Mazda's 100th anniversary.

>>16049450
>I know rotary racing history
lmfao, no

enjoy your dreamworld anon

i hope it looks nonshit.
RX-7 FD had the PERFECT roundy-squary design ratio. curves in all the right places, near flat side.
meanwhile RX-8 is a fucking ugly blob.
also no super angry front.

>>16049453
Show me all these DNFS
Google only showed me that the rx7 has the most wins of any car in IMSA history

Stay clueless and btfo anon

>>16049488
>http://www.racingsportscars.com/chassis/results/RX7-Beek%23.html
>http://www.racingsportscars.com/suffix/results/mazda/RX-7/254.html
>http://www.espn.com/espn/wire?id=7019518
>https://www.mazdatrix.com/roadmain.htm
>http://www.espn.com/espn/wire?section=rpm&id=8411435

Should I post more?
Do you want to count them together or should I wait?

kys

>>16049510
So about a dozen DNFS compared to over a hundred first places in imsa...
What was your original point about there being more DNFS than places again?

Roflmao btfo cuck kys out of shame

wasnt rotary engine ban by EP

>>16049525

>http://www.zoompics.com/1987wgimsa.htm
>http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/006/198/original.pdf?1433190611
>http://touringcarracing.net/Races/1981%20Spa.html
>http://tech-racingcars.wikidot.com/mazda-rx7-fb
>http://www.glen-scca.org/roadracing/2005/July_Sprints_Results_GP1.pdf
>http://www.mazda-rx7.info/history/

he wants more

>>16049545
Still more wins than DNFS by a massive margin.. keep going anon I'm sure one day you won't be such a retard:^)

Remember that there were well over 100 first place finished by the rx7 in imsa alone, so you've a while to go yet lad

>>16045605
n/a inline 4 in a 2800lb RWD manual car with a stiff chassis for $20k

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Just some food for thought
The RX-9 is going to be the only revived legendary jap sports car that stays non-hybrid and non-awd
Really makes you think

>>16049564
But the GT-R was awd in the first place

>>16049570
excluding that of course

>>16049557
>he doesn't know how to count

Oh, I forgot you're retarded

stay BTFO

>http://www.classicscars.com/wspr/results/imsa/imsagt1980.html
>http://www.sedivracing.org/SARRC/04sic_results/G2RACE.pdf
>http://www.motorsport.com/scca/news/race-national-runoffs-ep-final-race-results/


>Still more wins
[citation needed]

>>16049576
Still not seeing more DNFS than wins/places :^)

Over 100 wins in imsa alone, plus all the other wins from other series' across the globe

You ain't coming close kid Roflmao Stay btfo

>>16049604
>Still not seeing

blind and retarded
cool

>>16049607
Btfo and in denial
Awesome

Stay upset kid

>>16049610
>post evidence
>he has none, is blind, and retarded

you lost

>>16049564
The BMW Supra might be pure RWD

My wishlist:
>2800-3200 pounds
>425-475 BHP
>Manual or hydraulic steering
>Otherwise comparable to the Mustang GT350

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>>16045605

Light weight, RWD, triple rotor.

If its N/A at least give it a larger engine bay so the aftermarket can play.

>>16049650
>2800 pounds
>450bhp

No

Reminder that if you make the engine powerful, you need
>bigger brakes
>stronger transmission
>heavy clutch
>stronger diff
>bigger tires
>bigger wheels
>more cooling
>larger exhaust

To compensate. You can't be light, powerful, and reliable unless the car is extremely expensive. Pick 2.

>>16049620
You didn't post over 100 DNFS
Try again dumb cunt

http://alex62.typepad.com/imsablog/2006/02/mazda_rx7_winni.html

>>16049007

It wont,

Based of what mazda said and the rumours coming from unamed sources working on the car it will be around 2800 lbs and have HP in the 400 range.

Godamn this car is gonna be goo

>>16049680
>posts one link with not a single post race grid tally
>complains he still can't count

lol

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>>16049715
>this much damage control
Still not seeing over 100 DNFS

Stay mad at rotary superiority, bub

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>>16045605
Oh boy...

-"small" variable geometry turbo, or hybrid electric turbo (MGU-H style). I'd rather have a 3 rotor NA with the front/rear rotor deactivating for fuel economy over just a standard turbo that can't operate well over the entire rev range
-Dry sump
-a2w oil cooler (seems confirmed already) and intercooler assuming it's turbo.
-DRLs like the concept. Really everything just like the concept but a better rear end and 2"+ higher roof.
-2+2. Tall/fat people shouldn't be able to fit in the back, only cute little Asian girls.
-Analog tac/speedo
-6 speed standard, PDK optional.
-standard dry carbon fiber hash roof, A and B pillars, and drive shaft. Optional ~$12k package for carbon fiber wheels, hood, trunk/hatch, and better brakes and stiffer springs package. No bullshit lament over the carbon fiber hash, either, I want to see it on the A-pillars (maybe some option to cover it for retards that don't think it's beautiful)
-Double wishbone front, MX-5 or GT4 style multi-link in the rear.
-Large rear subframe and little trunk space like the FD.
-Interior materials at least as nice as the CX-9.
-Under 2800lb. At least 320hp.
-$48k-$55k starting price.

Mazda should do what the Corvette did: make a convertible version just so the coupe version doesn't require side impact air bags.

>>16049743
Rotaries are superior

But, they have blown up in races more than they have EVER won- period

doesn't take a genius to figure that out

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>>16048904
>RX Vision with reasonable proportions

Not a fan of the headlights or lack of wing, but pretty damn good

>>16049789
>but they have
No they haven't
Dont be retarded
If you knew anything about rotaries you'd know they are bullet proof in endurance racing and their God tier racing history shows that

>>16049802
>God tier racing history
no

lots of wins

more blow ups
you can blame who/whatever you want
the point is more have in fact blown up due to whatever reason

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>>16046305
Maybe things are different now, but "if you build it, they will come" worked for the FD in 1993.

The first year model of the FD was an absurd performing car. Car of the year award for everyone. Lauded that it handles better than a 911, even a McClaren F1, and completely shamed the Corvette.

And it sold. It sold half as many as Corvettes in America in 1993.

Half might not sound good if you don't know your numbers and history, but Corvette is American, and has a pedigree. NO sportscar starting over 29k+ now days sells half as many as the Corvette.
Hell, the MX-5 only sells less than 1/3rd as much as the Corvette now days.


That said, I think there's no way that Mazda is making a 450+ hp car that can compete and beat the Stingray in all regards. Like >>16047728 said.
But that's a shame, because, why would you just get a Mustang GT350R? It's faster than an NSX, faster than a Cayman GT4, and it's rev limited is only 100rpm lower than the FD's.
If the new RX is slower than the Cayman GT4, or heck the Mustang GT350R, it's going to have to sell on looks alone.

I guess if it can at least compete near the GT350R, that'd be good enough, since it's sexier and more soulful if they stick close to the concept, assuming it doesn't cost more as well. But that's still going to require closer to around 400HP.

>>16046291
>>16046294
Those patents are 4 years old. Things can change.

>>16048511
The door handles are like the best thing. Who is this retard?

>>16045605
Basically just build an rx-7 that passes all the stupid safety and emissions tests. Which is harder than it sounds...

>>16049810
>>16049810
You are either stupid or straight up trolling

Still yet to see more than a hundred DNFS yet btw ...

>>16048969
What a lot of people aren't realizing is that there was never software to measure the flame combustion in a rotary engine when the RX-8 came out, but there was for piston engines which was helping make them more powerful and fuel efficient.

Now days, they finally can do that for the rotary. It's going to be a huge step forward and people basing on the 30 year old 13b are retarded.

From hearing from their engineers are conferences, it seems like every single thing is being changed in this engine, while the Renesis was largely the same just with the side exhaust ports, and the multiple air ports. Every seal, every housing, every part of the rotors, the e-shaft, everything.

>>16048993
Yes, and a halo car would be the perfect way to showcase their CF when other cars follows.
Probably less like the Alfa 4c, and more like the upcoming BMWs that just use a bit of carbon composite bracing.
I'd prefer they stick with aluminum/steel for the lower part of chassis and subframes, and just use CF higher up and for bracing, anyway.

>>16049020
>Name a car with 400 hp that weighs less than 3000 lbs STOCK
Isn't the Stingray 3200lb and 455hp...? STOCK.

>>16049065
How old are you?

Apparently too young to remember that the FD was far superior to the top of the line Corvette and 911 turbo in 1993.

>>16049895
If the rx9 is a halo car I will bomb maxdas headquarters

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>>16049871
SOON™

>>16049423
>Why? Rotaries make peak torque around 3000rpm

Uhh.. depends on the tuning, turbo, and volumetric efficiency.

An NA PP motor makes peak torque in the 6000-8000 range. The RX-8 makes peak at 5500rpm.
Turbo rotaries for RX-8 tend to make peak at around 3000 to 3500.

>>16049928
Of course it's going to be a halo car. How would their new rotary powered sports car not be their halo car? It's not like the RX9 is going to sell more than the MX5 or their econobox line.

>>16049871

> I want to believe

>>16049442
You don't have to add big batteries and electric motors. Have you not heard of the McClaren F1 is 3075lb. F1 cars are hybrids and are 1547lb.

There is no reason why a 2800lb hybrid sportscar couldn't be made.

A lot of the stuff you add for a hybrid allows you delete other things. Less emissions crap, the higher voltage systems are lighter. Efficiency for the combustion engine is improved as well when you can finely tune the volumetric efficiency through the boost at all RPMs.

The comparable added weight could be as little as 150lb, while adding nearly 150lb-ft of torque in the low end. It does not nee a 170hp electric motor like these hybrid hypercars.

The problem with a Hybrid sportscar is that it'll probably cost Mazda another $1billion to develop and not benefit their other cars much if at all. I don't think Mazda has the balls to take that risk.

>>16049951
It depends upon what you mean by halo car. They're planning to price the car at about 8 million yen, which is 77 grand in burgerbux.

>>16049676
How come the One:1 is 1360kg and 1341hp?

You people repeating that shit are retarded. There were plenty of 450hp+ FDs with only 900kg of weight running in SCCA.

A more modern car will have an even better chassis to handle that.

>>16049781
The MX-5 has side airbags, and is still only 2300lb.

>>16045605

Honestly I want Mazda to do what it thinks is best.

Every time Mazda does exactly what it wants we end up with lewd underrated car brilliance so I don't want them to fuck that up.

Inb4 the RX8 was shit. The RX8 was good if you take into account it was it's own model and not meant to be a continuation of the RX7.

>>16049928
I didn't mean halo car like that.

I'm pretty sure it's going to be cheaper than the Stingray and Cayman, unlike the new Supra which will cost more than them.

Honestly I hope they don't brand it a Mazda. They should just have a separate "RX" line of cars. If this car works out they could potentially bring back the Cosmo given $2 gas and how nice they did with the CX-9 interior.

Their cars are so gorgeous. If they just slightly upscale to like the Volvo S90/V90, with a reliable 400hp 3 rotor rwd, and more compact proportions yet the same luxurious and roomy interior, holy fuck take my money and give me an RX-Cosmo.

Basically what Nissan did with the GT-R. It's not a Nissan, it's GT-R.

>>16050018
The RX is a great car, but it wasn't an FD successor.

I want an FD successor.

>>16050035
>I'm pretty sure it's going to be cheaper than the Stingray and Cayman

They've already announced a price of eight to ten million yen which is seventy-seven and ninety-six grand respectively in burger bux.

>>16049980
A halo car doesn't have to be absurdly expensive, they just typically are. The RX9 is definitely designed to be an example of Mazda's engineering prowess and likely won't be a massive sales success which is the important part of what makes a halo car.

The article I saw said it would be under 8 million yen so I expect that's a very conservative estimate of how much it will cost. I think it'll end up around 60-65k USD. If it can keep pace with the Cayman GT4 while costing closer to the base model in price Mazda will be able to build a special edition RX9 entirely out of melted down automotive awards.

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>>16050049
That era of mazda is over, with the likes of rx8 and NC
we got a real NB successor, no reason to not trust them with a real FD successor

>>16050051
No they haven't, you retard. That's baseless assumptions from retarded Japanese auto magazines like Holiday Auto and shit.

Fuck off.

>>16050065
Eh I believe they're trying to, but it's hard.

Just look at how insane the performance of the GT350 is for $48,000. The GT350R is at $60,000 than the $85,000 Cayman GT4.

It's going to be tough to beat both the Cayman, GT350, and do so cheaper.
If anyone can do it, it's Mazda, but there's so many ways they can disappoint, including not giving us those sexy DRLs that give lines that look like pop ups, or not giving us the carbon fiber wheels like the concept has and the GT350R has.

I dont care about what I want bevause I don't know what I want and what I want is powered by worthless subjectivity
I only care about what mazda wants me to have

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>>16050088
>I only care about what mazda wants me to have
They want you to have fun.

>>16050149
god bless them

>>16049119
but that's what the new mx-5 is for honestly..

if they could make a top-end rotary to compete with the cayman, and something in between the two, that would be great, but I don't see it happening.

>>16049607
mate shut the fuck up and actually count these DNFs out before you make claims.

you've got the burden of proof so back it the fuck up, or shut the fuck up

>>16049810
actually, racing is one thing rotaries are fucking good at.

long-term reliability can be iffy but they can be run like a fucking banshee for hours straight no issues.

>>16049676
>brakes
Billet aluminum calipers will weigh less than the cast iron calipers on the Miata and offset the larger rotors. Brakes also have a lot to do with weight, so a 2800 pound vehicle doesn't need brakes with the same bite and heat capacity as a 4000 pound vehicle.
>transmission
TII/FD transmission weighs a bit under 30 pounds more than the AZ6 used in the NB, RX-8, FR-S, etc and it's proven to 800+ BHP on slicks. Not insignificant, but not crippling.
>clutch
The weight of the clutch isn't particularly significant. Any weight that gets added here can safely be removed from the flywheel.
>diff
A Ford 8.8 weighs 11 pounds more than a Mazda 7" diff (NA/NB, FC, etc)
>tires
>wheels
This is a good idea anyway. It's basically impossible to make a car slower by putting more tire on it. Rolling resistance and unsprung weight are more than offset by increased grip. Let's call it 10 pounds per corner more than the ND?
>cooling
>exhaust
Both valid concerns, maybe 50-60 pounds together. You can get around it by building smarter instead of bigger. A crossflow radiator and aluminum catback will help a lot.

I know I'm comparing to a lot of different cars here, but my point is that parts strong enough for high horsepower cars aren't actually all that much heavier than parts made for light cars. The reason all high power cars are approaching two tons is because having more power lets the engineers get lazy and they stop making sure the bolts aren't 1/8" too long.

Mazda has already proven that they can make a car that's the same weight as an early 90s car with 35% more power. For an RX-7, that would be 375+ horsepower in 2800 pounds. Keep in mind that it's a lot harder to go from 2 pounds to 1 than 9 to 8, and that a lot of the government mandated weight in the ND is stuff that wouldn't have to be any heavier in the RX-9 (airbags, rear camera, etc).

>>16050204
This anon is correct.

>>16050365
>A Ford 8.8 weighs 11 pounds more than a Mazda 7" diff (NA/NB, FC, etc)

Old tech.
But look at the FD, most of its drivetrain will handle over 600hp

Modern components are generally much lighter. Lower rotational mass means better MPG, but they can't handle much more power over stock.

But either way, using super old parts to compare is a terrible idea. Engineering sucked back then.

Wait

why don't they just build multiple fucking rotary models?

the Rx8 is one of my favorite cars of all time and more my style than the RX7

Why don't' they just build an absurd three rotor monstrosity that eats its competition alive WHILE ALSO making a slightly more practical/affordable four-seater with around 250 HP?

No, really, why the fuck not?

>>16050631
Taxes

If they just made rotary cars (which are ecological disasters on wheels) they'd get raped in carbon taxes.

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>>16050631
Personally I think they should. They should bring back the Cosmo. At least for the next gen when they start hybridizing. The smaller engine makes for much better packaging of luxury RWD cars.

The RX-8 had a really crazy combination of being extremely stiff, amazing handling, good interior room for 4, yet hardly being being that large.

>>16050640
What carbon taxes? The only tax in the US is $55 per 1mpg under the CAFE standards per car sold, which is NOTHING.

>>16045605
First time I've heard the RX-8 being called a sedan.

>>16050688
Eh. It's semantics.
I'd call it a 4-door coupe, but that's semantically stupid to some people as well.
A lot of others would call them a sedan, and I wouldn't disagree. Either works.

>>16050718
>>16050688
It's a coudan

>>16050814
I hate it
Just call it a sedan, it has 4 doors.

>>16050837
Extended Cab Coupe

>>16045605
god damn I want a fucking RX7. exactly like in OP picture.

how much should they run me lads? in the states. i know fast and furious tax and all, but what's the real value?

>>16051310
something between 15-25 grand depending on condition and I know what I got goons

>>16048259
Sold.

>>16050592
So use stronger parts. The FD was already plenty light with the capability to handle stupid amounts of power. The Getrag 645 is a brand new part that's about as strong as the Mazda 8" diff and lighter than the 8.8. The fact that Mazda has already made a drivetrain that can easily support 500+ horsepower in a sub-3000 pound car is proof that they could do it again if they wanted. Nothing in the ND is significantly weaker than the equivalent part in the NA (which had a lot more transmission issues in the early days) and it's still roughly the same weight.

>>16050631
Rotary engines are already kind of a hard sell and there's not an unlimited number of rotards out there. You know all those retards that scream to LS swap it in every single rotary thread? There's a lot of people like that out there. Mazda doesn't plan to sell enough RXs to be relevant as anything but a halo car, and multiple RXes would be drawing from the same limited pool of consumers.

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As an FD fan I'd like to see them have another go at a powerful good looking two door. Just take lessons learned from the FD and run with it

>design
I like the sketches I've been seeing using mazdas current design language.

>engine
Single turbo two rotor. With advances in computer and turbo technology I believe its possible to make between 330 and 370hp reliably, while simplifying everything compared to the FD.

>simplicity
Make the car out of high quality materials, but don't give us gadgets and extraneous shit we don't need that drives up the cost. Spend the money on quality parts and materials.

>price
Between 40-50k. It doesn't need to be as fast in a straight line as other cars in the same bracket, I recognize the rotary is expensive to develop. But it should handle on part with a cayman and have an eager torquey engine a la FD, while looking incredible.

>>16051572
The problem is to do with fuel economy, not weight.

The weight savings in the drive train is very little. Strengthening it doesn't add much weight. But the little bit of weight removed, which makes it less strong, greatly increases fuel economy.

The up side is that it gets more power to the wheels. Just look at what ND MX-5s are dynoing at compared to their 155bhp. It's like only 8-15hp drivetrain losses. That's insane. But they can't handle much more power.

>>16051600
Fuel economy isn't that big of a deal. People don't buy rotaries expecting Prius fuel consumption, and sales of an expensive sports car won't affect CAFE when Mazda's overall fuel economy is currently the highest out of any major automotive manufacturer despite the lack of hybrid or electric vehicles in their lineup.

>>16052434
Manufacturers still want to get the most fuel economy they can, even out of sports cars. It tends to go hand in hand with lower emissions, which are a bigger deal in some countries than CAFE standards.

That said, I'd hope the next RX drivetrain can handle the ~600hp+ that the FD's can even if it makes little more than half that stock.

The biggest thing that's missing in cars now days is tunable cars. The FR-S engine can take a lot, but the rest of the car breaks, one thing after another, as you put down more power. Whereas the past rotary cars were so crazy tunable. But I guess that doesn't sell new cars so much as used ones.

Anyway, obviously it won't get Prius fuel consumption, but look at the Cayman.
It's 22/32 mpg now.
Up from 20/29. 20/28 before that.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect mileage that's almost 20% better than the RX-8, so 19/27 instead of 16/23. I'd be super happy with that.

The Skyactiv cars were 30% more fuel efficient than their predecessors, and the next gen Skyactiv2 is supposed to be another 20-30%. And they're calling this engine the "Skyactiv-R".

I don't think people realize how much the older rotary engines were help back by the difficulty of R&D for them. Modern engineering, CAD, and so on, have rapidly improved things in a way that can make up for not having hundreds of companies working on them.

3 Rotor is a must as a premium sport package with the base model being a 2 rotor and mid level being 2 rotor turbo.

>>16054258
Why is it a must?
The RX-9 is supposed to be under 3000lbs
What kind of numbers do you want to see stock with that kind of weight?

>>16054307
2950lbs to support the third rotor power

>>16054258
>>16054307
With how fast the Camaro ZL1 is, and the GT500 coming, and Z28 coming, how can a 2 rotor really compete?

It's going to need either 3 rotors or electric assist.

Targeting the Cayman is stupid. The Cayman sucks dick, and sells poorly as you'd expect an overpriced underperforming 2seater like it to sell.

The RX has sex appeal going for it. Gobs of it. But it needs to perform, and <450hp isn't good enough, even in a 2800lb car.

When this comes out in 2019 or 2020, there's probably going to be a second gen GT350R as well.

>>16055058
Stop fucking acting like we don't already know what the engine is. It's a two rotor turbo.

Basically just an FD with an updated engine. If it looked exactly like the Spirit R, aesthetics-wise, I'd be the happiest person ever.

The rumors are that it'll be a 1.6L, which is great; going from 1 torque to 2 torques. They also say that the side housings will be aluminum, so being even lighter should be nice.
Direct injection because that's the meme.

Single turbo for obvious reasons. BW EFR as OEM or something idk. I'd like to see them actually use the hydrogen research they did on the RX8.

Ceramic apex seals would be great. I don't think cost would be too prohibitive at that scale, but I don't know what I'm talking about.

I know there's no way it'll happen, but a rear mid engine would be cool.

Assuming it's nowhere near finalized, I'd like to see what the new laser ignition systems that are being developed can do for the wankel. Most of its problems stem from incomplete combustion, and having a spark plug outside of the combustion chamber is the biggest culprit. Lasers can and have been used to essentially focus in at the center of the combustion chamber, and create a substantially better flame distribution. Doubt we'll see it this generation, but it's a thought.

There's lots of cool new things to explore in rotaries.

>>16055283
Those patents were from 2011/2012.

The car is coming out in 2019 or 2020. A lot can change in 9 years. Look at the Supra, NSX, etc.

There's just no way a 2 rotor turbo will be able to compete with the new Z28, GT500, and heck Porsche might actually be forced to make their Cayman less shitty and shitty value.

I'd put the chances of it being a 3 rotor as 50/50, and I've been following Mazda development closely as fuck.

If it's not over 400hp, I don't see how they'll be able to price it over 40k which they really need to do since they aren't going to sell enough of them in the 30k-40k range.

>>16055529
It likely won't have direct injection. The rotary already creates a stratified charge from tossing the air/fuel around

>>16055541
No? It'll be interesting to see what they do to the fuel system then.

>>16055529
I heard they were getting rid of the sparkplug in the combustion cycle.

>>16055584
So compression ignition? I've thought about that too, and it could also solve a lot of problems, but imo it's way too far out in the unknown even for a rotary. Not that HCCI is very new, but in a situation where you can't really do variable timing...

>>16055602
Doesn't compression vary by rpm in a rotary?

> tfw maybe rx-9 that starts and idles at 10k minimum

>>16055658
No? Compression is defined as initial volume over "TDC" volume, so that can't really change. Unless you're referring to forced induction, in which case I guess it does, yeah. That's actually how HCCI would have to work in a rotary I think, using the turbo to manage the compression, along with something else for startup and low RPMs.

>>16055677
Then why are rotary compression measured at a specific rpm

>>16048904
the autstic level of alignment
>center cap
>tire logo
>all facing up

>>16055541
FDs can go over 400hp easily. With the modernized, larger engine I have no doubt they can make that or more and still have it be reliable. And if they hit their weight goal the car will be hundreds of pounds lighter that the pony cars, a bit lighter than the Porsche and with a power to weight ratio ahead of all of them.

>>16045605
You do realize that the FD in todays money would be a $60k car. The GT-R was always more expensive. It was about $90k in todays money. So a new FD would be a $60-$70k car.