What are some cheap high power motors?

LS for V8
4G63T for I4
3800SC for V6

>>16040360
>cheap high power
if you want big power for cheap just look at your own pic, op.

>>16040360

350
5
0

unopened 2jzgte, gt4708, e85, 1000hp+

>>16040370
Oh, I know about the ls kek. I just wanted some other ideas too.

Audi 20VT inline 5

>>16040360

I6: Merc m104

>>16040393
>Oh, I know about the ls kek. I just wanted some other ideas too.
chevy small block
add fuel injection
shit, i made an ls again

>>16040393
You don't need other ideas. The LS is objectively your best option.

>>16040536
ls engines and sbc are two completely different things retard

>>16040368
A L67 puts out a whopping 240hp stock

Almost any modern v6 blows it the fuck out. There is no place for a boat anchor iron monster in the modern world.

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Output (afterall, the reason we swap non standard motors is usually because it's not worth while modifying the original)
Size (it has to fit where you're trying to make it fit)
Weight (extra weight and extra power need not go hand in hand)

In terms of powerplants to swap into locations not originally designed for them, the alloy LS and 1UZ are obvious choices, along with Small Block Chevs and Ford Windsors.
-Nissan's SR20 is good motor in the sense it performs well, relatively light and is , well obviously a four cylinder and fits in a whole manner of older RWD longitudinal econobox applications with modern drivability.
-13B rotary, while not particularly relevant these days with modern four cylinders achieving decent performance, back in the day was a good swap. Personally I love atmo rotaries and feel as though turbos on them kind of miss the point.
-Buick and Ecotec three point great litres used to end up in a whole manner of small to mid size Japanese 4x4s for their size, weight, resonable torque and power output and dead reliable if they weren't tortured. Quite dated now, and the current Japanese 3.5-4.0ish litre V6s already fitted in the last 15 years achieve all the reliability and much greater performance and economy of the old GM V6s.

In terms of diesels, Isuzu 4BD engines end up in a whole manner of places, as do B-series Cummins. In Ausfaggot land the Detroit built Chevrolet 6.2 and 6.5 end up in a whole manner of Landcruisers and Patrols for some reason, although recently there's been a few Y61 Patrols fitted with Duramax 6.6 diesels.

>>16040806
I kind of agree with you. It was relevant up until about 10 years ago. Still, performance increases for them are pretty straight forward, but I wouldn't bother with an L67 unless the car in question was fitted with a 3.8 in the first place.
Worth noting regardless of their cast iron construction, they're really quite light.

>>16040828
This is pretty bunch the case with everything it seems. I could put some nice aftermarket aluminum heads, a decent cam and intake on a SBF, but a new bone stock Coyote will still wreck it's shit.

It's amazing how far we've come in the last decade.

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>>16040839
Absolutely. 20 years ago a 400hp V8 on the street was a pretty warm motor lol. I guess it also comes down to cost and your ability as either a mechanical and/or electrical fitter making these motors fit where they weren't originally designed to.

Keep in mind there's still an awful lot of R&D that goes into both Cleveland and Windsor heads, and when you can bore and stroke a Windsor out to ~430ci in such a compact package, the Windsor starts to make sense.

Pic unrelated, but one of those 6.6 Patrol conversions...

>>16040360
Honda J series v6. Like a buck a hp with ecu/harness where I'm at. Dirt cheap hp.

>>16040568
Excepting that of course a LS is a small blocked chevy motor. Also the old SBC is shit tier. Why anyone bothers with them when lm7 drop outs are so cheap is beyond me.

>>16040360
1JZ VVTi
Seriously

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I kinda wanna play Devils advocate here and go with a shit engine and see how good we can make it for as little money as possible.

>Honda D16Z6.

The D-series engines are the cheapest, most economical, yet still performance oriented little turds you'll find hanging around on craigslist.

You can buy the motor, beef up the internals, turbo, and tune to some stupid number for cheap. If you did the work yourself, and was good at finding deals, I bet you could do it for less than $2k and make around 300hp.

>>16040943
If you're up for a challenge, I'd love to see what you can come up with for VW's 2.slow 8v. The thing that came in the mk3 GTI, and was probably the least deserving engine of that badge to ever wear it.

>>16040902
This. They don't have a rice tax nearly as heavy as the B and K series motors.

You can also try GM pickup motors like the 4.8L, 5.3L and 6.0L. Our junkyard sells them for $1200 for either the 4.8L or 5.3L w/ harness and transmission, or $2500 for the 6.0L. Significantly cheaper than the sportscar V8s.

>>16040960
The fuck? You can get a 4.8/5.3/6.0 from the local u-pull it for $200 pulled ready to go with accessories. Add another $100 for the trans

>>16040966
>The fuck? You can get a 4.8/5.3/6.0 from the local u-pull it for $200 pulled ready to go with accessories. Add another $100 for the trans
Maybe, if you can find it.

>>16040969
It installs in an afternoon too.

>>16040387
no.

the block holds to well over 1000, but you are living on borrowed time if you don't get forged internals.

fuck off with memes, no car, no engine hits 1000hp without being built for it and stays there for more than 1 or 2 dyno runs.

>>16040969
Always a few 4.8 and 5.3's now and then a 6.0.

RB20 if you like turbo 6's.

>buy standard rb20 clip for like $1k
>put bigger turbo and manifold on it.
>injectors+z32afm+nistune
>turn boost up
>will do skids all day long and still start every time.

>>16041016
I don't doubt you, but the issue is that they sell out fast. On top of that, there's a few mechanics that I know who already have contacts inside those junkyards to set aside those engines for them before they even make it to the public area.

>>16041025
Yep, same with the 5.0 Explorers and Mountaineers, heads are $25 a pop, intakes $20 and surprise surprise they're always gone.

>>16041003
Hot rod mag or somebody took a 4.9 L sbc out of a truck in a junkyard and made 1200+hp and did like 60 dunk runs with the thing.

>>16040839
Except for the fact that ls motors are far cheaper to get and build than anything it's competing with, and has an unbelievably huge aftermarket.

There's a reason everyone has an ls these days, they're readily available, cheap, reliable and can make great power while being daily driven and giving decent mileage.


>inb4 hurrrdurrr
ls motors are fantastic, spastic bus riders shitposting about them on a Vietnamese wicker chair making boards opinions matter far less than the fact that countless home mechanics, half assed hacks, shops from bottom of the barrel to world wide known names are building and using ls motors.

>see Nelson racing engines and their video on them

>>16040954

south america?

>>16041073
Nah, yurop.

>>16041050
I don't disagree in the slightest bit. Power for dollar you can't beat an ls based mill.
But sbc, windsor's and LA's are ancient dinosaurs.

>>16041043
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/

4.8l they thought was a 5.3 at first. Granted, different cam and things but nothing someone doing a swap can't manage themselves.

>motors factory tuned to 400+hp and gobs of torque

>people somehow surprised and rused by the fact that people want to swap these literal truck motors into cars 1000+lbs lighter than the truck


It's cheap, easy, reliable power and plenty of documentation on them, this makes them appeal to everyone from Joe blow to your pro tuners.

>>16041082
This is true, but you'll always have people wanting to do the less popular things. As far as a SBC goes, it's hard to ignore being able to buy a under-warranty 350 small block that'll make ~240hp with 4 barrel carb, intake, and headers for $1500 from jegs or summit. Pay like $2200 or something and its 350+hp with a different cam, also warrantied.
Dinosaurs be damned, at least a SBC can be fixed on the side if the road with duct tape, zip ties and oil almost anytime.

>>16040943
>D Series
>Performance oriented

Lets be real now the aftermarket is there but the engine is not special.

Turbo a 1ZZ and you get the same results.

1uz
vq35
vh45
m52b28

all pretty cheap and easy to find in any given junk yard.

>>16040387
an unopened 2jzgte will probably do 600whp tops reliably and that's with a god tune

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>no mention of the 2GR-FE

can't go wrong with almost 300 hp of reliable, naturally aspirated power in an all aluminum package

>>16040806
Cam, valve springs, headers and tune and you're at like 400hp, so does it even really matter?

>>16040806
>>16041301
My bad I thought the l67 was the flexfuel 5.3 they put in literally everything

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>>16040943
>performance oriented

kek

>>16041102
It's still shit. But as long as their's still people that can't comprehend how to work on "that fancy electronically stuff" they'll still sell. I mean honestly these old idiot think carbs are easier to get tuned in then an efi system that basically tunes itself for minor mods. I bet a wideband in the pipe of all these special snowflake carb tuners would point out some serious fucked mixture by efi standards across the board.

>>16042212
I agree SBCs in their traditional siamese headed form are redundant, but again, Windsors are for from it.

>>16042212
>order motor
>order carb
>slap shit together
>turn a screw
>it just fucking werks


You're missing the plain fact of they're easy, they're cheap, and they're fucking time proven, you're the polar opposite of things, the full blown "fuck you grandpa my chink shit is better because nipponese forged internals folded 1000 times"

You mean more expensive tech can be overall better? woweee, this is a well known, doesn't mean people don't enjoy or want other shit fuckboy.
t. owner of efi and carb'd vehicles and love them all

>>16040811
Speaking of diesels, how about the Mercedes-Benz OM606? 600 hp and 7000 rpm out of a 3.0 diesel I6 is just plain silly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FYttMIdUmA

$500 and a weekend

>>16040943
Honestly D motors are pretty good DESU.

I had a D15B with a port and polish, injectors and a tune.

Dyno'd 150hp at the wheels in my little old Del Sol sitting at ~2400lb that wasn't bad so long as you kept it on the VTEC profile.

Slew many a fagiola on the tooj.

>>16040360
If you're mechanically inclined pick up whatever small block from the big three you can find in a junkyard and build it up youself

>>16040360
volvo t5

ls is good and I would think you could find a used 2jz which are imo some of the best engines ever built

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honda is the answer

>>16040360
13B and a holesaw
G4JS with some Evo castoffs
Just about any American V8

>>16040839
>but a new bone stock Coyote will still wreck it's shit.
If it fits.

>>16040360
VW 1.8 20v can be pretty good with a turbo.

>>16041082
Only one of those that has the right to exist in the modern world is the Windsor. It's the lightest of all the smallblocks, pretty much teh most compact, can still carry a 427ci displacement, and sadly, Ford just doesn't make a new pushrod V-ate to swap into classics.

To go along with this, what would be a good car that easy to swap a different motor into?

>>16044729
Something with a big engine bay and lots of available documentation, with an engine from the same family as your new one.

Drop an LS1 in an Audi TT.

WIN!

>>16041003
>no
yes.

>no engine hits 1000hp without being built for it and stays there for more than 1 or 2 dyno runs
( So far, it has exactly 98000km (61250 miles) on the odo... It has been subjected to 700+ WHP for about 20,000 km of driving and over 100+ dyno pulls, and slghtly over 900+ WHP for 16,000 km (8125 miles) of driving and over 60 dyno pulls. Now it has over 1K HP and about 10 dyno pulls and no driving yet (still snow outside). I only dare to take a stock longblock to this extent (everything stock; stock headbolts, stock head & valvetrain, stock original headgasket, etc.. )

please stop posting anytime kid. youre embarrassing yourself.

>>16041050
>There's a reason everyone has an ls these days
everyone? no. not even fucking close. yorue delusional.

>see nelson racing engines and their videos of 8l custom blocks that share no resemblance to an ls1
okay??

>>16040360
>cheap
>high performance
literally pick one

>>16044967
>what is the LS

hey guys are there any engines that

A) never break
B) are free
C) are faster than an F1 car?

thanks in advance bros

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>>16042212
>said t. guy who jerks off over L28s with "muh triple Weburrrrrs"

>>16044982
>LS
>performance
having 6 liters doesn't mean it's a performance engine

it makes literally less than 300whp.

>>16045016
And can easily (and cheaply) be modified to make much, much more.

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>>16045016

>>16045028
My bad, 300 on the nose.

>>16045020
a k24 with a decked k20 head can make 300 at the wheels.

ls = tractor technology

RB26DETT are only 7-10k Canadaland bucks for a good one

>>16045045
An LS with new heads and a bigger cam will be cheaper and have a much better powerband than your lawnmower engine.

>>16040360
It really depends on what you want. If you want NA, and mid 300's crank hp, the BMW S54 is a god send. Supercharged 450 hp+ is easily attained.
Otherwise the only engines I can think of putting out over 100hp/L N/A are the S2k and the toyubaru.

>>16045050
>bigger cam
Don't forget about the piston skirts nigger, you wanna throw a rod in your LS drop?
SIZE YOUR CAMS CORRECTLY ASS HATS

>>16045045
>tractor technology
Light, cheap, efficient, powerful, Any configuration
While I love japanese engines, cuckboi, The ls is obvious best girl
> Europoors BTFO

>>16045045
>can make 300 at the wheels
It's going to need a lot more than just a decked k20 head, along with about 11000 rpm.

>>16045062
What the fuck are you talking about?
Did you just try to throw a buch of words together, hoping to make a coherent sentence in an effort to sound smarter than you are?

>>16045095
Hows about you google what a fucking piston skirt is and how too big a Cam can destroy the crowns and skirts. I'll be waiting for your "hurr fucking durr" moment

>>16041252
interesting

LS master-race all the same, but really there are alot of under-valued japanese V6s and this helps prove the point. I know its aluminum but still compelled to ask how much it weighs.

>>16045116
>Hows about you google what a fucking piston skirt is and how too big a Cam can destroy the crowns and skirts.
on the contrary, it's you who should be googling as such. Fuckwit.

>>16044989
>>16044967
You can get some older engines for cheap. Oddly enough as stuff gets older the price goes down, imagine that. Two quick examples are a supercharged gm 3.8 and a gm 5.3, you can find them for around $500, and can go much further than stock. No one is asking for top of line brand new shit. If you want to spend too go a fucking head and do it.

>>16040910
You're an idiot.

>>16044932
Yeah that's why you can't look in any direction at any classic car show or most shows in general where if there's American cars there you're going to see countless ls motors, people do it to your precious Nippon mobiles too.

And I said look at the NRE video specifically talking about ls motors you mong, stock mild and built ls motors are as common as finding weebshit mobiles with a fartcannon on them.

5.7 vortec 350 sbc, older Ford 5.0 pre modular, explorer 4.6 aluminum block, Ford zetec 2.0, Chevy 3800 Mazda 1.8 all of these motors can take huge amounts of power and boost for cheap a ls motor and anything foreign is expensive as fuck, people who say a ls or lt motor is cheap don't know what budget cheap is

are you guys just dumb?
>any turbo motor thats cheap
I would not buy old crusty cars unless you really plan on going through that motor, i mean like with a bore scope and compression tester.
anyway you can get these
>ea888 gen 1,2,3 gen3 makes insane power
>new turbo civic motor will be insane
>chevy 1.4 turbo can make nice power in small car
>the hyundai 2.0t can make nice power, that motor is straight garbage though
>really the best one with best track record is the ea888, the new turbo civic and civic si motors might be a good competitor though, although no one knows how they will hold up until a few years from now
>just to shiill for vw, i have a 1.8t mk6 jetta with a 300 cell down pipe, new intake piping and cone filter, some replaced intercooler piping, and r8 coil plugs. dynoed 265 on premium with a 91 ron tune from apr. could probably hit 300 on a stage two tune but its a daily driver and i dont want to risk the reliability pushing 18psi into that motor you know?

>>16045185
>huur go look around an american car show there are chebby v8s everywhere
no shit sherlock. go to a honda meet and there will be no v8 engines :^)