How would you fix their current lineup?

5 year 100,000 mile warranty across the entire range, make the cars not unreliable heaps of shit

Stop designing cars designed for chinks

>>16036991
lol
stop marketing their cars towards chinks

Get the whole X line-up away.
>can't even do a dirt road
>not the best option for "luxury SUV"

Get rid of the 4 series, all of the X series, and the i3

Gut the 2 series and turn it into a cheap shitbox that badgewhores can afford.

Return the 3 series to its muh original racing heritage so slightly better off enthusiasts and Europeans will buy them again.

Keep the 5 and 7 series marketed towards Asia because the only other country that can have them is full of people on welfare.

Keep the 6 series a /comfy/ GT with no ambition to perform on the track, get rid of factory gadgets and let them be options to keep price down.

Keep the hybrid i8 but also make a symmetrical twin turbo v8 version.

>>16037024
but it's not an SUV
it's an SAV, a Sports ACTIVITY Vehicle

Cut their line up down by at least 25%. Get rid of the m series and create a partnership with Chinese company

>>16036980
3L straight 6 twin turbo diesel in a 1 series for under £30k pls and thank you

>>16037115

t. zhang ping, CPA

>>16037024
it can do offroading though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj5e5gJYV8k

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>>16038205
>diesel

If you don't live in France (and plan to sell your vehicle once Diesel is banned in Europe) there is not a single rational reason to ever think about buying (or even worse, engineering) a Diesel engine.

>>16038231
the rational reasons are fuel mileage and gas costs

Their lineup doesn't need to be fixed.

Revenue and profits are all up.

/thread

Make them somewhat reliable

Stop using plastic in anything but the interior

ITT: /Poorfag General/

Fire whoever came up with the new pointless naming system. The old system was fucking fine.

>>16038243
You don't live in France, Diesel cost is irrelevant (unless you're poor - you should ride the bus).
Change your driving habits, you'll be able to save as much as 40% of fuel with a smoother driving style.

>>16038218
>it can do offroading
>shows going through a water level a corrolla can easily do
Have you watched the X6 review by Jeremy Clarkson? He revied it best. He even did a simple off road test against a Range Rover and this thing was fighting for traction.

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>>16038287
>i bought the most autistic vehicle ever, and need to defend muh purchase of the le best car ever, the x6m

>>16038303
no one goes offroad in a range rover or an x6

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>>16036991
>>16036993
>giving up 22% of your global sales

Corporate sudouku

>>16039798
Chinks don't know anything about cars or engineering. They're buying BMW as a status symbol. BMW could change basically anything and just pour money into marketing.

>>16037094
Congratulations, you ran the company into the ground and have no money left. What now?

>>16036980
No real faults that I see. I'm not really interested in BMWs though.

Personally, I would get rid of the Z4. I don't think it looks good, the performance-to-price ratio is kinda shit, and I'm not a fan of roadsters to begin with. They already have convertible 2-, 4-, and 6-series. Replace it with a proper, no frills, driver's car in the $30k-50k bracket. Leverage the meticulous German engineering concept.

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>>16038308
why that chicken has 5 legs

>>16039851
I think it's a pupper lol

>>16037115
They already do with Brilliance

>>16036980
What is there to be fixed? Is BMW bleeding money or something?

>>16036980
Add magneto suspension to their M cars. Germans are always praised for their technology and yet a GT350 and corvette ride better than a 5 series.

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>>16039981
>What is there to be fixed?

Blind BMW fanboi

I think their current lineup is fine so I'd just focus on long-term plans for the next generation of models. Make them simpler and more reliable.

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>>16036980

-un-cuck the M4 as it gets its ass handed to by the M2
-actually try on the 7-Series and stop trying to make it a sport sedan
-kill off the all the "SAVs" except the X5 because nobody buys those and subplant them with a more focused X3 and see how that goes
-fix the infotainment so that it's less gimmicky

Cut the cost of maintenance in half and advertise about it heavily.

>>16036980
I just want BMW to stop expanding their lineup, stop trying to garner in a bigger marketshare. JESUS. It's diluting the brand, the interiors are extremely underwhelming, uninspiring and confusing.

Make them ride inspiring like in the 90s, they are too soft now, the steering rack ratio is lexus tier, too much dampening going on.
-Fellow BMW owner, also valeted many new BMWS.

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All these mad poorfags lmao

>>16040747
BMW interior is sexy as fuck

Interior shit, all cars look the same, brand has the absolute worst drivers, nothing special about the exterior, just a shitty car really.

>>16041159
Spoken like a true poorfag

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An E92 33i coupe good for a first car buy?

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>>16041229
33i Doesn't exist. Only 335 or 328i for the E92 gen.

No, Get an e46 for a first car. E90's are maintenance whores.

>>16040505
>-kill off the all the "SAVs" except the X5 because nobody buys those

What?
Your source apart from the shithole you live in?

>>16041240
meant 335i ye, and will look into that.

>>16039814
Sell to VAG, retire to South of France with a few 10/10 Italian qt3.14's

>>16041168
But he's right.

>>16040045
why the fuck do they look the same
REEEEEEEEEEE

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>>16041258
Dont get a 335i for a first car. Just dont.

Trust me, if HPFP or turbos and wastegate decide they don't like you that car will sit for months while you grind at your wage slave part timer for 2 months getting the cash to fix it.

I would sort out the whole naming thing. BMW X5 GT /////M SPORT TOURING. Yeah no. Ideally stop making the SUVs but american women fucking love them so that's impossible.

Put more focus on the sedans, and research into electric/smarter cars. Make the 7 the super smart super luxury car it should be. Maybe try and introduce more diesels into the US market.

>>16041283
and this is why they have profits and you have college debt

>>16041293
>ideally

I don't like being eye raped by bmw suvs

>>16041265
But he's not

>>16041295
>Can't afford a BMW
>Wants BMW to make their cars cost even more

Do poorfags enjoy being poor?

>>16041394
i own 2 bmws that probably have more cooling issues than you've had girls who like you

why do you keep jumping to conclusions. also we're talking about hypothetical situations, are you legitimately autistic ?

>>16041420
Wowa, the poorfag bought 2 old used BMW'S and now acts like he has money

>>16038311
Range Rovers can do offroad but can the BMWs do? They are an absolute waste of money and resources.

>>16041434
>Buying a luxury vehicle for off road

I spotted the retard guys

>>16041441
Why would you buy a SUV instead of a wagon if not for the offroad abilities ? Wagons are literally better at everything else.

>>16038303
The X5 can offroad, and the X6 has the same grip around the corners as the old GTR's

>>16041441
There's nothing wrong with that, so long as it's within your means.
>>16042196
>Wagons are literally better at everything else.
There's plenty of advantages to an SUV for day to day living. Substantially increased cargo space, seating options and an ergonomic reach for putting shit in and out of is a huge plus.
Don't get me wrong, I love a wagon (more so than a sedan), but there's no denying the benefits of an SUV.

>>16036980
Bring back the E82.
>but muh F22..
No. It's just a shittier 3 series.

>>16041259
>A group of angry enthusiasts and workers who lost their jobs show up at your door holding torches. What do?

>>16041240
> E90's are maintenance whores.

Can you elaborate? I have a long term plan about buying an E92 M3... wew

>>16036980
Stop production immediately, recycle all remaining inventory.
Set up a comprehensive buyback of all vehicles, with the money being handed out after a short meeting in a gas chamber, led by a salesman.
Send out deathsquads to purge the remaining owners and vehicles.

That's how I'd fix the BMW problem.

>>16036980
Discontinuing every car in their line.

>>16042437
>>16043078
t. edgy busriders

When I was growing up BMW felt like a prestige brand, I must have just had a warped view because now there's literally nothing impressive about owning a BMW (at least 95% of their lineup)

>>16043105
A BMW crossover is responsible for £400 of damage on my car, and the cunt drove away.
BMWs slow my commute home daily by fucking the traffic flow up.
BMW mechanic once stopped in front of me and verbally abused me for 5 minutes while the asshole behind me tried to back into a space, and I was blocked in. Then spat on my car as I left, after I graciously didn't run his ass over. How do I know he was a BMW mechanic? He had his fucking dealership uniform on, with name badge.
BMWs shut the nearby motorway every fucking week with accidents.

BMW drivers are degenerates and need to be stopped.

>>16043174
>m-muh BMW bullies

Jesus christ, son. You shuld be ashamed of yourself.

>>16036980
Add dipsticks. Kill the x1. Direct and port injection. Lighten and make the cars less angry.

First and foremost, stop the derivative models.
B, stop cross branding.
Three, stop using the mini platform.
Next, STOP DILUTING THE M BRAND!
Then, stop using California and American tastes to dictate design direction.
Finally, stop giving a fuck about selling shit in China and get back to roots.
Stop chasing the watermark and go back to being the benchmark.

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>>16043226
not very angry tb h

>>16036990
This is really the best answer but I can't see them ever doing this. Everyone is already perfectly happy to throw away half a house on what are widely considered some of the least reliable and costliest to maintain pieces of garbage out there, so there's no motivation for them to change what they're doing at all.

>>16036980
One one hand I would let it die.
On the other hand whenever I think about cancerous Saab fanbase and imagine similar post-mortem bmw fanbois... I think there should be more 3 cylinder fwd bmw's

>>16043709
>half a house

The average price new on the BMW lineup in N/A excluding the M series is like an average of 35k-60k

Unless you live in a trailer park or studio apartment proper house is well over $150,000

>Least Reliable Meme

Every car from every brand needs to be maintained and most of them dont just randomly breakdown without neglect and all are at risk of random breakdown. I own a 13 yr old 140k mile bimmer for a year and it has never broke down, I replace a cheap part and get a tune up here and there but nothing really major. My mate owned a e60 5 series for like 5 years, bought it at 35k miles and driven it to 85k only major issue was oil valve cover gasket and even then the only issue was just the smell of burning oil, sorted it out and it drove fine. Routine maintenance and tune ups withstanding.

>Garbage

You have never owned a BMW.

>>16042296
They aren't maintenance whores he's just an E46 faggot.

>>16038293
are you fucking retarded, faggot?
im from austria, everyone and their grandmother drives a diesel here. diesel is about 20-40 cents cheaper a liter. just get fucked and stuff that froggobbling frenchlove up your white-flag storage.

pic related, what i'm driving, a DIESEL, which is not banned either. im not living in some kind of fucking commie country, where they make a fuel thats LITERALLY inferior and cheaper in production more expensive.

your mother is a fucking whore, leave this board.

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>>16043793
rage made me forget the pic

bring back the e31 8 series and redisign the i3 so it doesnt look like shit

>>16036980

Stop with the cheap shit. It's an aspirational brand in the US. It always has been. Keep up the quality and add Toyota level reliability. When I can finally afford a $65K car I want to be able to drive it for 20 years without it costing me $3K / year to keep it on the road.

Engineering: come on BMW. You can do it. Six sigma and all that shit.

t. Own my 3rd BMW moto, wife has had 2 Minis, and parents always owned BMWs. Cost of ownership and reliability has always been a sore point. My current BMW motorcycle has had 3 recalls. Fuck.

>>16041168
>i dont like his opinion!!
>he must be a poorfag!!
can you just fuck off already? we all know youre the faggot with the M240i that is trying to hide his shitty purchase by calling others poor

>>16043797
>>16043793

>W124
>E300D
>OM603/OM606

Enjoy your blown headgasket, disintegrated wiring harness, overheating problems, neverending oil leaks and vacuum leaks, crankcase filling with diesel randomly and ruining your bearings, etc

Nice cars if you have the time to work on them, but jesus christ is it a lot of work

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>>16039809
i'm a chink and fug u

>>16043709
You guys realize that BMW has been doing this for years already? Any new or pre-owned bought from them is covered up until 100k. It's called the power train warranty, look it up

>>16044630

Bullshit. They exclude all sorts of shit as "maintenance". And an annual service after 36K miles is costly as fuck.

>>16043727
>On the other hand whenever I think about cancerous Saab fanbase

The saab community is probably the nicest and most well behaved community in the world, wtf are you on about?

>>16044648
Well yeah, no shit, they aren't going to pay for your tires, brake pads, tie end rods, or any other component that wears. the warranty covers motor, transmission, and all electronics. It's rock solid m8. The only kinda lame part is it does not cover suspension which makes sense but would be nice

>>16043709
>bmw
>unreliable
nice meme

literally one of the best warranties and road side assistance networks in the US. They aren't even expensive, base 3 series low to mid 30k

stay mad perma poorfag.

>>16044630
What CPO doesn't have warranty up to 100k?

>>16045148


option loaded 3s are selling for low to mid 20k these days (pre-owned). the 2012-2014 range particularly. literally anyone can afford one. i am guessing it was their response to these stupid jap cars flooding the market with their attractive price tags

The ultimate driving machine

REMOVE FWD FROM LINEUP

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>>16036980
design a lightweight rwd box with no driver and passenger safety but seatbelts powered by a 2.5L I6
Oh wait I just described an E30

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>>16043778
>>16042296
E46 fags are the worse. Ignore them. My families E9x's have been just as reliable as our e30's, e36's, etc.

Even my M's have been as reliable just more expensive parts/maintenance, but for what you get its worth the cost.

But as always a given BMW XXX part costs more than a Toyota XXX part. But I like sports cars dammit, tho I think a Mustang or Camaro may be next in line. While I understand how the brand has gone is reasonable, their M division simply blows and has after the e9X M3.
>>16043129
>>16036980
Agreed. They need to make more inspiring cars like the M2, M coupe/roadster, etc. Going full GT/grocery getter sucks. Sure its great for their sales, but it saddens me I'm actually considering a different marque for the first time in my life.

>>16042296
the S65 M3's are pretty reliable. The N54s are unreliable in about 2/3rds of examples, and N52 just has a litany of small, annoying issues.

>>16045286
Nearly all those issues have been fixed under warranty however. If you stick with a 328 they are essentially as reliable as can be.

>>16045236
>e30
>lightweight
Maybe by modern standards lol.

Also the e30 M3 had a 4 cyl.

>>16041283
>american women fucking love them so that's impossible
This

>>16042236
Take a helicopter to my yacht, let security deal with the plebs.

>>16041251
US sales of BMW X3 are only about one third of their main competitior, the Lexus RX. X6 sales have never crested above 7000 units in a year. The X1 had an okay run in 2014, but it's really just cannibalizing X3 sales. The only one of BMW's SUVs that sells decently well in it's market is the X5.

>>16044361
Redesign the iX series
They all need it

>>16044483
i have a 250D
i bought it for 1800€ and drive it for nearly 40k kilometers now (since january this year) and never had a single problem. i dont know what youre talking about.

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The only car I'm considering buying in future is a 4 series (non-M because I'm not retarded) gran coupe.

>1 series
I don't like hatchbacks
>2 series
Too small, I'm 6'1 and don't like to feel cramped
>3 series
Too big as a sports sedan, too ugly, too bydlo
>5 series
Not a sports sedan
>6 series
Too expensive and too bydlo
>7 series
Full retard

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>>16038267
this, kinda.

>all these people suggesting the X line gets cut out

im pretty sure the X cars are a good chunk of what keeps bmw afloat currently.

they should merge 1 & 2 series, and 3 & 4 series, kill off the dumb gran coupe 4 series.

Also fucking bring back the M5 touring and stop making fwd cars

>>16046688
>kill off the dumb gran coupe 4 series.

What's dumb about their best car?

There is no way to uncuck BMW. Not with all the safety regulations. You can't make light, fun and crazy to drive cars anymore and that's what BMW was.
Also, they market to different people now. They used to make driver's cars. Now they make literal plebwagens for rich idiots, marketed to the middle class.

>>16046696

i am not a fan of the shape and the fact it has 4 doors, eventhough it's as comfortable as the smaller 3 series, just with a lower, more claustrophobic roof line in the back.

The whole design tries to be a coupe and a sedan at the same time and it doesn't work out, and it ends up not excelling at anything. I'd rather get a 3 series, or a damn coupe; not both.

I can already tell BMW will pull the plug on it just like the 5 series GT. Same concept, a little bigger. Sold just as bad as gran coupe is selling right now. Atleast the 5 series could have the N63 engine that made it a fast car, unlike the 4 series.

>>16046670
>2 series too small
I'm 6'2 and fit perfectly don't know what you're talking about.

>>16046715
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

>>16046713
>The whole design tries to be a coupe and a sedan at the same time

Yes which is the new hip thing to do and it makes perfect sense. It's a four door coupe. What's the fucking problem?

>selling bad
You do know the 6 series gran coupe is the best selling 6 series, right?

And the gran coupe is not comparable to the GT models at all.

>>16046725

the 6 series works because it's big and meant to be

the 4 series isn't.

>>16046730
And yet, 90% of 4 series on mobile.de for sale are actually gran coupe editions.

>your point

>>16046730
Oh and besides, the size of the 4 coupe and gran coupe are identical. You realize it literally just has two more tiny doors bolted on, right? There's no difference otherwise.

>>16046736
>>16046734

ok anon

no need to sperg out

i still don't like it and believe it should be killed off

it doesnt sell nearly as well as the coupe and the 3 series here atleast. I've only ever seen 2, and both were at the dealership.

>>16046741
Fair enough. But that doesn't exactly make it a bad car. BMW has way worse in its lineup.

Way to much engine options.

For example here we get 4 Diesel options and 6 petrols. And that is without counting efficientdynamics, xdrive.

>>16046772
I don't think this is fair criticism given they range in cylinders from 4 to 6. If anything they have been removing options recently. We used to have way more 6 cylinder options now it's only the top end. They stopped doing the NA 6ers in favor of biturbo high end models, unfortunately. Not that I dislike turbos but they're inherently less reliable and I really don't want >300HP, I'm fine with around 220.

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>Tfw owned a BMW V12 from the 90s for a few years
>It was an unreliable piece of crap that I slaved over
>Did hundreds of hours of overtime just to pay for it
>Bought a decent car from a decent automaker down the road of the same year
>Barring upkeep I've literally had no part failures
>"Yeah, but you just bought one of the bad BMWs there really are some good ones out there!!!!"
>t. BMW Shill

>>16046800
A V12 is a terrible idea no matter the make.

I highly doubt a modern |4 BMW would give more trouble than any other car.

>>16036980
-800lbs
-turbos

>>16046800
...that's my fetish.
Did you have an 850? Was the maintenance really that bad? I desperately want one of those at some point in my life.

>>16040045
>you can buy a faster car for less

You might have brain damage.

>>16043793
Also Austrian here, Diesel is like 3 cents cheaper. Also only old turks drive mercs like that here. The only reason to get a diesel engine is if you drive really long distances, since diesel cars are more expensive to buy and have more shit that can break but fuel is a tiny margin cheaper.

>>16046964
>knee-jerk strawmanning

>>16040045
>the new M4 is so pigfat and far from the original M3's vision that even it's performance is no better than lower end cars now
This has been true for a while though. The whole Mustang vs M3 thing comes to mind.

>>16046800
8 series are probably one of my favourite cars in the world

>>16047182
Have you seen the new one?

>>16045286
>the S65 M3's are pretty reliable

Great. I want DAT V8. It's a shame that they went back to the straight-six (turbo). It's not really the 6cyl that bothers me, but the turbo. I definitely prefer NA enginges.

>>16039851
because it was disabled

>>16043206
Not addressing the morons that cause millions in damage to the economy every week by clogging towns and motorways?

I hope brexit slaps fat tariffs on german cars.