Is there such a thing as a good french car?

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>>16018099

Yes there is.

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>>16018099

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Nah

>>16018103
>was

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of course but i dislike renault

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The french build cars like they win wars

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Only problem with the 208 GTi is that the Fiesta ST exists.

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>>16018125
Is there a better entry level executive or family sedan?

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>>16018099

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5 turbo

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>>16018178
Don't forget based Xsara, which managed to be competitive while only FWD.

Good french things

>toast
>fries
>kissing

:end:

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>>16018099
Yes. Yes there is.

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>>16018138
>The french build cars like they win wars
They build a lot of them

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50 year run
4 million sold
absurdly simple
no tools required to take off 99% of parts
can be made into a motorcycle if you get two flat tyres

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>>16018099

>>16018267
"french" fries were invented in Belgium

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>>16018295

>defeating some rebels in third-world shitholes = winning a war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8GHiY6jmR8

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>>16018099
Miss me yet?

>>16018099
Some Renaults are okay.

There could have been more had the French state not butt into PSA Peugeot Citroën mess to "save jobs."

Now, there's a zombie shitting out shit cars, making it impossible for another, actually innovative company to grow to fill that market space.

>>16018210
I would suck dick for one of these things, but importing it in to the US would be an expensive hell.

>>16018303
>Belgium
>Country

>>16018366
AFTERNOON OF FIRE

>>16018102
Someone explain this Twingo meme. They're bottom shelf shitboxes built for middle class housewives who despise driving and use cars only for utility.

Terrible car.

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>>16019754
they are already expensive in France (pricing of a supercar)

http://www.lacentrale.fr/listing_auto.php?tri=VE_PRICE&sens=1&num=1&SS_CATEGORIE=40%2C41%2C42%2C43%2C44%2C45%2C46%2C47%2C48%2C49&marque=RENAULT&modele=R5&prix_maxi=&energie=&cp=&mo_comm=R5+TURBO

>>16018159
Accord, Camry, Mazda 6, Fusion, etc

>>16019775
It's just a /o/ meme. Calm down.

>>16019831
You were doing fine until you mentioned the Fusion. Which is a tremendous piece of shit.

>>16019801
jesus how rare are these things? over $100k for a hot hatch?

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>>16018261
Uh only the pre-FL one was fwd, the one you're posting is 4WD. But it's still a p gud car. Particularly the DW10TD engine is bulletproof like an old merc, and just as slow.
Even on polish roads, my uncle drives a 16 years old xsara with no major issues ever cropping up

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This, 5gt turbo and the mid engine clio where the last good renaults. Everything want to shit after that.

>>16018125
I agree with that anon, we used to have some good cars but we're producing shit nowadays.

We have not a lot of manufacturer still building cars and none of them takes true risks.

Just look at what concept cars peugeot had made in the last 20 years and there was really good ones but sadly they never product anyone (i'm looking at you Peugeot 907 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_907)

If you want fast hatches you can buy a Peugeot GTI (208/308) or a Renault RS (Megane/clio), if you want a comfy sedan you can buy a big Citroën or Peugeot (but the 508 isn't that great and Peugeot don't seem to want to replace the 607) but France hadn't produce a good sportscar for decades.

The reborn of Alpine (https://alpinecars.com/en/#Vision) with the Vision concept may bring something good but I think it won't compete against other midengine sportscar (Porshce Cayman, Lotus, etc.)

>>16018138
It's only a Meme used by 'murricans that think they fought more wars than us. America had taken part in a few major fights but France had taken part in hunderds of wars in its history and won a lot of them. We even helped you to fight against the brits.
I won't deny that we surrendered in one that could have changed the face of our planet but we couldn't fight anymore after 3 years of combats ripping apart our country. Moreover, for almost a century we have given command of our army to incompetent assholes...
but this is /o/, this is not the place to discuss about that.

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>>16018210
I've always wanted one. I only found a single GT Turbo for sale and it's fucking horrible.

>Ultimate Green paintjob
>le silly spoiler
>"some Garrett turbocharger"
>"Haven't dyno'd but my assdyno says 170 bhp on 0.8bar"
>fake twin exhaust

6800 yurobucks because as always, he knows what he's got.

>>16020113
It's not a 5 turbo it's a superfive GT (which have a tarbo i agree)
Not the same pedigree and not the same machines. Still fun, but not R5 turbo fun

Yes there are good French cars
Drive a 406 HDI break as a daily done 370.000kms on it now works great.
Had a 405 2.0 GTX earlier and it was reliable and drove nicely. People seem to not understand that when a car gets a few years on it you'll need to maintain it to have it perform as intended. And it seems to be more true for French cars as people are unwilling to spend money to maintain a cheap car.

>>16020113

Run. That's 20 years old europe 'tuning' fashion. Just run.

This car has had more drugs inside than an old hippie.

>>16019868
Very, I've never seen them in the streets, only in museums or very specific meets.

t.Spain where we have a lot of rally enthusiasts.

>>16020152
>>16019868

"A total of 3576 R5 Turbos were manufactured during a four-year production run"
Sauce : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_5_Turbo

>>16019831
>Accord, Camry, Mazda 6, Fusion
It was a rhetorical question, friend.


>>16020080
>the 508 isn't that great and Peugeot don't seem to want to replace the 607
The 508 is supposed to be a direct replacement for both the 407 and 607.

The sedan market has shrunk a lot. People just aren't buying them enough to warrant two separate designs. Thats one of the reasons why the ageing 607 lasted so long.

>>16019775
They were disliked for that reason when they were new.
Now however, they are a lot of young folk's first car because they are easy to drive in the city, they are easy to find, often in good shape and very inexpensive, not to mention cheap to insure.
It's not that bad as your first car, it has some nostalgic value for froggies who grew up in the 90s and early 2000s when they were really everywhere, but that's about it.
Not a great car but deep down, as far as France goes, it's pretty much the car that best symbolizes the transition from decentralized living be it rural or industrial, to exile towards the cities and suburban growth.
>>16019868
Not very rare, but very high in demand. YOu can always find one or two for sale, but the price will also always be high.

>>16020163
And how many are still alive? Or how many are in street driving condition ad not modified for racing?

>>16020181
>Or how many are in street driving condition ad not modified for racing?
Very few. They are either modified towards racing spec or riced to death (see >>16020113)

>>16020133
I'm not going to even consider that abomination. I've spotted another GT Turbo in Sweden just across the border in original condition with some minor rust damage. Fingers crossed on that one.

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>>16020181
Not a lot, and that's why they are expensive as f*ck

>>16020185
I just want to point that you're confusing R5 Turbos and Superfive GTs
On the left you have a GOAT RWD, Rear engined 180/350hp 970kg monster.
On the right you have a POS FWD, front engined 115/120ch 830 kg car

>>16018099
they fail at overcomplicating luxury cars
As long as they keep it simple, they make good small cars
they're always stuffed with goodies for the price of bare bones stock vw or ford of comparable size
90's peugeots/citroens had top tier rustproofing

muh sport heritage arguments? I'll leave it to benchracers. Everybody won something sometime in the past.

their innovative
>twingo - needless to say
>dacia lineup - vw/fords idea was just to dump outdated generation golfs and jettas to third world countries. Renault idea - design third world country car from the scratch.
>First mass-produced cheap coupe-cabrios 206CC and 307CC
>First small vans. Megane scenic and xsara picasso. Way ahead competition.
>First small delivery cars made to suit needs and not being city cars with box attached to the back Berlingo/Partner (1996), Kangoo (1997) and suddenly 7 years later VW catches up replacing a Polo with a backpack with modern Caddy. yeeey!

>>16020273
For the small delivery you forget the 2CV fourgonette (produced between 1951-1977) and the R4 fourgonette (1961-1988)

After they made smaller versions (Citroen Nemo / Peugeot Bipper / Fiat Qubo) produced since 2007. They are dangerous shitty minivans but useful in cities (before going full Japanese-midgets vans)

>>16020222
superfive gt is /fa/ as fuck though brah

also my wife's son makes seems to like them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D4PHrcwfbE

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5 years, 46K km, no issues. I`m happy with it.

>>16018099
Our automotive industry is the shadow of its former self, yeah.
But at least it didn't shit the bed as badly as the brits did

>>16018114
This desu. Old Peugeots were king.

>>16018159
Giulia

Since french cars were discontinued in the U.S market,how would you know?Where I live,french cars are widely regarded as good cars,since they're both cheap to buy and to fix.For example,peugeot 106 rallye,citroen saxo rallye are both good shitboxes,the citroen c series are pretty economical cars,all underpowered tho except for the c2 1.6.

>>16020317
They are fast because they are light but I can't forgive Renault to have make a bonkers RR hot hatch in small serie (less than 4000) and then sell its successor as a hot hatch which is FF, produced at 160 000 units.
The true successor to the R5 turbo is the Clio V6 (<3000 units, 250ch, 1400 kg, MR). And they are less expensive, but rare af...

>>16020325
Even if i didn't like the segment recently made by top gear about Peugeot, they are right : Peugeot currently makes only appliance, not cars.

>>16020322
Where are you from to have a Renault Sandero?

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>>16020305
I skipped pre 90's era

picrel small vans of year 2000. Which would you choose?

>>16020340
>Where are you from
Russia

>>16020340
>I can't forgive Renault to have make a bonkers RR hot hatch in small serie (less than 4000) and then sell its successor as a hot hatch which is FF, produced at 160 000 units.
you must be quite new to life, don't you? Learn the difference between mass produced hot hatch and homologation special/halo car.

>>16020340
Peugeot took a hard blow when Peugeot-Citroën started producing for the chinese market, mostly by not making anything with specifically for that market, unlike Citroën and Renault. That plus a lot of poor commercian and design decisions (see the 1007, making more sedans when the market for them was shrinking steadily) didn't help and now they still spend a lot for concept cars to the detriment of their actual production.

In 2016?
No. Absolutely not.

>>16018159
hard to come up with a worse one

>>16020390

?

The DS series by Citroen are good cars, same with Renault Sport cars, most of their small cars do the job (new twingo for example), then they're pretty famous for their family carriers (espace, picasso)

french cars are at their best currently, far from the horrors from the 00's

>>16020340
>FF

m8 you wouldn't know what to do with all that lift off oversteer when it bites you on the arse

>>16020303
what is that

>>16020455
I know that it will kill me and that is exactly what I ask of it

https://youtu.be/m32xJVFT2xI

>>16020345
caddy is obviously the best

>>16020462
Venturi but i'm not sure about the model. I'd say 500 or 600 LM

>>16020483
It's a 400GT

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>>16018276
big citroens are neat

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>>16020529
dayum

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8iKeHAckg
tl;dr fastest ff on gunsai touge

>>16020345
berlingo with understructable 1.9d=practical kangoo>caddy>rusted rest

>>16020345
>>16020696
btw I'm not the same guy you quoted

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most Citroens are good OP

>>16018261
some of the best rally cars are FWD. you don't want RWD for rally racing

>>16020741

M8 this is /o/, if a car can't do muh hektik skidz, it's shit

>>16020529
The DS isn't actually that big in person. Mostly because of how low it is.

>>16020152
Saw two in the same week. I see them from time to time, once or twice a year I'd say (not always the same ones).

Renault is outselling Ford in Europe, in second position behind VW. And French cars are second in reliability indexes behind Jap cars. I'd say they are doing well. Again, burgerclaps have no opinions to have on French cars. Just like VW, since they drive those awful Mexico built one and not the proper German ones

>>16019764
Suck my chocolate dick faggot

>>16019775
It's the 90s version of the classic mini. That was a povertybox at one point but it moved past that.

>>16020871
>And French cars are second in reliability indexes behind Jap cars.
reliability rankings sponsored by the french government I guess.

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>>16020741
oh please

>>16020871
Source on reliability please, TÜV report 2016 has french cars in the bottom half as usual.
>inb4 german biased
VW is just a shit in the report.

>>16021318

>but it moved past that.

No it didn't, that's what /o/ memers want you to believe. It's still as much of a shitbox as it was when it first came out

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>>16021372

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>>16020685
Some not very good continental all season tires vs one of the the best sticky stuff Michelin offers for daily cars. Well thats how they come from the factory so you've got an arguement there but put good tyres on the type-r and you know whats going to happen

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>>16018099
I don't know, but I can tell you there is not a good corvette.

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>>16022119
Technically, doesn't Renault own Nissan?

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>>16022127
>t. GM fangirl