Can these cars turn? They seem to be just used for drag racing

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Used for more than just drag racing.

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not really

if you wanted an actual good jap performance in the 90s you got an EVO WRX RX7 NSX or GT-R

>>16016267
nah they werent sport's cars, they were grand tourers. Made okay power for merging and overtaking on the highway, but cruising was the main function. These werent meant to be driven hard.

THEY TURN JUST FINE REEEEEEE

They supposedly turn good considering the weight. Great suspension, great chassis. NA has almost perfect weight distribution, turbo is a little front-heavy. It certainly can drift if it has LSD but it's not gonna be as fun or precise as s-chassis cars and the likes.
The FD is probably the only nip car of that era with more sophisticated design.
>tfw wouldn't mind NA but they're all autotragic

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Depends on how they are set up.

A 1200-hp drag-car with fat rear meats won't turn as well as a 450-hp car modded for track racing.

its a touring car
people expect too much lol

They're basically Japanese mustangs.

Yeah they can turn okay but nobody really cares about them for that.

>>16016502
Yes, Mustangs with two turbos, IRSs, and standard Torsen differentials in the 90s...

>>16016515
yeah

basically pigfat Mustangs at a much more expensive price

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Owner of a Mk. IV here , they turn very favorably, comparable to 32/33 GTRs.

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>>16016282

For how heavy they are they turn fine.

If you want a Japanese Mustang that can turn, it's the car for you. If you want a car that can actually handle you can do a hell of a lot better.

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>>16016447
>it's not as precise as a s-chassis
As percise as a wet noodle.

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>>16016267
>Can these cars turn?

Not really.

I mean, it was better than a W-body of the time, but it was nothing special.

The car has since achieved meme status so how it handles is no longer a relevant question.

>>16018637
Dry vs wet

>>16018637
>Taking Jeremy Clarkson's lap time seriously

>outhandled most of its competition at the time

/o/ just proving once again that original research is a foreign concept and parroting is a proven strategy.

>>16016277
There's no Supra parts in that entire car. Not even the engine or transmission.

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>>16018675
>implying

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Better in every way

>>16016267
No
But they're so purdy...
>>16018637
Gawd, my 7k motorcycle is faster than that

This thread is cancer.

Stock suspension it handles okay for its weight etc. however, you can make anything handle awesome with an unlimited budget. It just depends how deep your pockets are and what you ultimately want to do with it.
If your goal is to solo I'd advise against it. Hpdes/PDXs it would be just fine.
I don't see it ever being a competitive race car at this point in time with most sanctioning rule sets.

>>16016535
idiots

the supra is a viper acr.

shit tons of power, rwd and shit tons of downforce.

it handles very fucking well. even stock. for it's time period.

>>16019879
Agreed. It's most comparable to a viper because of the massive power and retarded downforce.

There are people that think the viper can't turn and ignore it's lap times as well, we call them morons.

It's the kind of car that does well in the hands of a fearless driver. Look at examples like orido's supra, that thing is fucking mental.

>>16019840
>Motorcycle faster than 20+ year old cars

Really made me think.

>>16019887
I first hand know Vipers turn well. Throttle steer is a thing. Most people just out brake themselves and then they get push and blame the car. It's not the cars fault you over drive corner entry.

>>16019914
Yep. The supra, even in it's stock form has far far superior handling to even a modern mustang. To compare it is laughable.

The supra was never intended for twisty mtn roads, but due to good engineering they made it more than capable enough. Is it the best? Of course not. But it sure can handle fucking amazing with a set of modern tires and a quality driver who steers with the throttle.

A good driver will make both a viper and a supra shine and pull an incredible lap time. They are very similar cars.

>>16019935
I'd venture to say the viper is twitchier and the Supra is easier to drive "well" (fast and well not being the same thing). I think I can be faster in the ACR.

>>16019986
Yea, the viper is newer and will inch ahead slightly, while the supra is actually decently friendly (until you go full ham).

I have driven both and i agree, it is most similar to a viper.

And both are drivers cars. Skill matters. Steering is also very, very responsive in both.

>>16019627
Maybe in terms of daily driving yes but the Supra is a bit sportier. Since they share the same chassis, I think if you swap suspension parts the cars should be identical in terms of handling and performance.

>>16020026
>they share the same chassis

It's a common misconception, but they really don't. To put the A80 suspension on the Z30 it requires swapping out the entire rear sub-frame. The cars share some parts commonality, but they are really different beasts like tigers and lions.

>>16020045
Interesting, first time I'm hearing that. Since even the rear end of a Supra is identical to the rear end of an SC. By rear end I mean the entire rear axle just bolts on.

how about neither of you faggot have driven either car that sounds like a more likely premise

>>16020870
I've driven a shitload of Lexus SCs if that counts, kinda want to get one and tarbo it

>>16020870
It's ok. You can be wrong.

https://youtu.be/wMZJ1E6BI0c
Heh

>>16021042
Maybe the supra guy couldn't drive whilst the 86 driver could.

That reminds me that i don't think I've seen Takumi go up against a Supra in Initial D.

>>16021042
Driver error. Both drivers sucked. Neither had good lines or anything close to decent braking zones.

>>16018637
I'd much much rather have even an acura nsx.
It's a fucking nsx rather than a car driven by ricers and streetracers

https://youtu.be/B4xFx_O7ux4?t=9m58s

>>16019879
thats why its the worst out of all the japanese sports cars when it comes to lap times

its a shit car used for drag racing and only popular to shitty movies

it doesnt even make good power when its stock

it turns fine people that say otherwise have probably never been in one

>>16021156
a Model T turns fine too

doesnt mean its a good handling car

>>16021163
its a good handling car

>car has steering wheel
>hay guiz does this turn

>>16021173
its really not

it understeers when you push it
you can feel every bit of weight
its not agile at all

>>16020851
>By rear end I mean the entire rear axle just bolts on.

That's what I meant. It's totally possible to put the entire A80 rear axle assembly on Z30, but you can't just take the sway bars and expect them to fit.

>>16021198
https://youtu.be/B4xFx_O7ux4

>>16021287
counterpoint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLMS_QtKamg

>>16021287
I dont understand why modified cars are being posted

>>16016282
is all stock cars with the Supra far behind in last

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>>16016277
>4-cylinder engine

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>>16021251
Surprisingly the sway bars are a direct fit in terms of size and diameter, but they do have different mounting positions. So a slight modification is required to fit them. The cars seem to be very close but the difference in price is mind boggling. You can get a SC for 3 to 4k while a Supra will at least cost you 35 to 40k. I guess the SC never saw much light, overshadowed by the Supra. A bit sad really, I love both cars.

>>16021312
Model T GOAT!

>>16016277
>>16021405

Has the Supra won/competed in racing series with its original engine or were all the Supras that raced 4 cylinders?

>>16021539
>Supra won/competed in racing series with its original engine
Im sure they have. Although the SARD supra has a v8 in it

>>16020026
Soarer is slightly heavier in most trims.

>>16020045
>entire rear sub-frame
No it doesn't.
My soarer has a MK3 supra diff and MK4 supra shocks+springs.

>>16016267
Yes, they can turn. They had some of the best brakes in the world when launched and they handle much the same as any other sporty GT.

Not designed for tight little twisties, but get some nice sweeping curves and they're great.

>>16021538
SC300s never came turboed and manuals are rare.

>>16021538
It's because they never got the option of a 2JZ-GTE + V160 like the supra.
If they did, the soarer would be just as expensive if not more-so because it was a more up-market car.

>>16021632
Price difference is the same in countries where it came with the 1JZ and R154.

>>16016267
It has like 8000nm/deg torsional rigidity.

That's barely higher than an NA Miata, and 1/3rd to 1/4th what most hard family sedans today have, so no. No it can't turn.

Sure, it turned better than W platform cars like someone else mentioned, but that's about it. It's super shitty compared to a modern family sedan.

A new Mustang is a much better handling car, more power, safer, more comfortable, everything about it is better except that it weighs like 5% more. And it costs as much new as a rice-taxed, beat up Supra.

Supras have weird ass legends surrounding them that don't match reality.

inb4 some retard says how if you replace every single part of the car so it's no longer a Supra, but the body vaguely resembles one, it suddenly becomes good like the last thread.

>>16021762
Nice figure, retard.

I'm sure the car based on a lexus designed with an extremely torquey I6 has a chassis barely any stronger than a fucking toyota starlet.

>so no. No it can't turn
Even if it DID have 8000nm/deg, it would handle better with its double wishbone than a fucking macpherson saab with 20000nm/deg.
>It's super shitty compared to a modern family sedan.
Says the dickhead who's never driven one.
>A new Mustang is a much better handling car,
Handling =/= grip
>more power
Who gives a shit, 2JZ can have as much power as you want
>safer
Faggot
>more comfortable
Yeah, no. Supra from the factory has GT suspension and nice recaros, mustang without the recaro option has shit hard seats and cheap rough suspension
>And it costs as much new as a rice-taxed, beat up Supra.
No, it costs as much as a pristine low mileage supra, in your shithole country. Supra was sold around the world, a new mustang GT costs $30k more than a clean supra here.
>Supras have weird ass legends surrounding them that don't match reality.
In your shithole of a country. Here in aus they're considered a nice sports GT that can be made to have fucktons of power

It's funny how retards come on here and spout shit about things they've never driven. It's like morons who say you can't feel anything in the GTR.

>>16021845
wow

this is the most underaged fanboy rage post Ive seen on /o/

>>16018637
>race car driver in Supra, Jeremy Clarkson in the NSX
>laps made by journalists are worthy of getting posted on FastestLaps

This is why Fastest Laps should be taken down. Any reliable source will tell you an NSX is faster around a track.

>>16021632
Even auto non turbo supras are way more worth than mint 5 speed sc300s. Not to mention there are so many swap kits available for a manual conversion for both the 2jz and the 1uz.

meh supra's are alright at straight lines and very long turns but i'd still rather have my miata. It would get wrecked in the straights but put it in a twisty back road or track situation and it would walk the supra

>>16021858
And 8000nm/deg is the most bullshit figure i've ever heard

>>16021858
Kek, he's an ozfag they're all underage fanboys at heart. They're always shitposting.

>>16021882
>twisty back road
Yep, supra's too cruisy for that
>track
Nope outside of very tight tracks. Any sort of track where you're in or above 2nd most of the time and the supra would walk away.


Everyone overestimates how much the supra understeers, even with 245/275 they're surprisingly tail happy

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>>16021872
The full option ones were sometimes more expensive than the Supra. Can't remember compared to which ones from the top of my head.

It really boiled down to the audience. The Supra was targeted as a sports car while the SC was targeted as a luxury GT. Even with them being practically the same vehicles they are designed to be different from factory.

However that being said, in Japan the Soarer/SC was targeted as both depending on the models. The 1JZTT or the 1UZ V8. But they came with advanced options that neither the U.S SC or any Supra were given such as 4 wheel steering, active suspension, satellite navigation, touchscreen display and climate control, and digital cluster.

>>16022175
Only a small amount of the 1UZ soarers came with all those options, and those ones were expensive as fuck, easily exceeding a fully optioned supra.

The soarer didn't fit in too well with the supras range because it came out before it, the soarer was 1991 with the supra following 2 years later, after the soarer had already came with a 1JZ manual and filled the sporty GT role, which the supra had to somehow fit in.

Because the supra was just better, it ended up with the sales and spotlight while the soarer became the option for people who couldn't afford a TT supra (1JZ manual) or for those who wanted a big V8 luxo cruiser (1UZ).

Kind've sad, because the soarer is a straight up good car. Built like tanks, very easy to make fast and with some of the comfiest rear seats i've ever seen, feels like a lounge back there.

The good news for us today is that they're cheap as fuck and take tons of supra parts, which means you can make them very fast for very cheap. I've so far spent about $5,500aud on my soarer including buying it and it lights up 275s in 2nd, with grip it'd run an 11.
For less than the price of a supra ($30k), you can have this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HObW9uxq_zk

>>16022423
Actually ignore the $5.5k figure i suck cocks, more like $6.5k.

Still insane fast for that much money

>>16022423
>>16022452
N I C E

General rule:
>Is it american?
Cannot turn, under any circumstances
>Otherwise, if not american,
It can turn

Simple as that.

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R8 my recent Poopra spotting

>>16022610
I like the colour, but it triggers me when they have sideskirts that don't line up with the rear quarters, it just kills off the flow of the bodylines

>>16016267
Not really good at drag racing either. They were really only good at freeway racing.

>>16019627
That would be perfect without that wing on the back.

Can we all agree that anyone saying a Supra can't handle doesn't know what they're talking about? (Or saying so deliberately to provoke a reaction.)

>>16020045
a retard without sources in its natural habitat

They turn just fine.
Their steering feel is really light though

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>>16023277
>Not really good at drag racing either

>Ekanoo supra, worlds first 5 second import
> S.W Supra, worlds fastest 6 speed 1/4 mile 7.91
>9/10 of the worlds fastest sport compacts have 2JZ's

http://www.2jzpower.com/charts/fastest-mkiv-supra-radial
http://www.2jzpower.com/charts/fastest-6-speed-supra

What on earth made you think Supra's aren't good at drag racing?

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Not saying the real life version of this car can't turn but in grid 2.. it can't turn for shit. Should of read the stats before buying it.

>>16023501
you like point out cars with 250k under the hood that barley resemble anything on the road and say its beacuse tehre a supra?

>>16023528
Its not like they're racing against factory cars man, the other cars have just as much money in them.

I'm using these to prove my point that the guy who said "Supra's aren't really good at drag racing' is an idiot

>>16023558
>Supra's aren't really good at drag racing'

>thinks the fastest supras aren't 2spd powerglide trans and 9" ford solid rear axle swapped

a chevy pickup is a better platform for drag racing. that doesn't mean much

>>16023520
Mercedes a shit.

>>16023566
go back and read >>16023501 again plz, and note the links to the factory 6 speed gearbox supras

If you dont like Supra's thats cool man, im not gonna shit on anyone for having an opinion, but making up complete bullshit about them just makes you look like a dick

>>16021615
>My soarer has a MK3 supra diff and MK4 supra shocks+springs.

And yet you're still unable to install aftermarket Supra lowered suspension.

>>16023600
Most people hating the Supra are just doing so to be le sophisticated contrarian.

>>16023566

Pretty much this.

Real Street, people who build stupid fast cars for crazy money, run a TH400 and a 9 inch IRS kit in their 7 second Supra, and complain that the IRS slows the car down.

Pretty much any car is a fine platform for drag racing once you rip the entire drivetrain out and start slamming parts in. I once saw a tube frame Cavalier bodied car running low 7's. It wasn't a Cavalier by any stretch of the imagination, as it was RWD, had a big block in it, and god knows how much money in the chassis alone that was never a Cavalier to begin with, but if I follow your train of thought, I just may be able to say a Cavalier makes a good drag car too.

You see a lot of that though. Like Ken Blocks Mustang...with AWD, cantilever suspension and a glass/carbon body. Not really a Mustang, but since it looks like one, it must be a Mustang.

>>16023387
kek. It's funny because the book on Supra/Soarer compatibility has been written ages ago. It's like questioning who the father of Luke Skywalker is.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120206010208/http://www.intellexual.net/faq.html#028

>>16016277
>tube chassis with fiberglass shell

Soopra!

>>16016282

GTRs are fat barges too. And the WRX can’t even compete.

>>16023631
Your right man, I agree once you take a car past a certain point of modification you cant really call it that car anymore.

But you cant seriously agree with >>16023277 ?

The point I was trying to make with >>16023501 is how good the supra platform is for 1/4 mile drag racing, we all know how capable the 2JZ and V160's are, and even with just moderate modifications they still perform fantastic times.

Can a z32 out handle a Supra?