2017 Toyota 86/FR-S/BRZ

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BRZ for comparison

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/07/08/2017-subaru-brz-first-drive-review/#slide-3972666

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChBJtIxHaqFf5UFcYNtR68A

>>16016262
Why did Toyota have to fuck it up? All they had to do was put the Toyota badge on it.

>>16016262
It's like the early zzw30 compared to late zzw30.

>>16016280
Well if we're just comparing zzw30s, the late models looked much better. They also performed better.
However if we're comparing AW11s to zzw30s i absolutely agree

New engine? No?
Idgaf

>>16016265
It looks so happy.

>>16016265
>>16016372
Now that im looking at it, it seems to draw a lot of inspiration from the BRZ STi

>>16016262
the gt86 was looking so much better before
headlight were simple and classy
it was a bit agressive but that was fine but this
WTF
the brz is now better looking than ever

>>16016382
>STi
>dat EJ25
I want them to make one so bad.

What's with the claws on the side

>>16016435
they fucked up really bad

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>just fuck my shit up

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>>16016465

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>>16016473

did they at least get rid of that power/torque dip in the mid rpm range?

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>"update" the rear lights so it looks like those awful ebay aftermarket ones every tasteless ricer installed immediately
I guess they at least know who their target audience is

>>16016489
nope, still as disappointing as ever

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>>16016493
To be fair, the brz has the same shit going on. Thankfully they didnt go in the same direction as toyota did with the front end.

I think the '17 looks better.

Deal with it.

>>16016278
My thoughts exactly

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>>16016493
Do you mean the Valenti lights? Those are the best, they look so much better than the factory rice altezza lights the pre-facelift ones came with.

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Has someone painted the angry toyobaru green into a pepe yet?

>>16016262
The front fascia doesn't look agressive, it looks like it'd about to vomit

Everything else is an improvement

If you are going to get a slow car just get a miata or fiat spider

>>16016709
>fiat spider
>0-60mph
>6.0 sec
>slow

okay.

Will the gt86/BRZ be the next meme car?

>>16016722
That's the high end model and for a car that looks like how it looks, yes it is slow. The base model takes 10 seconds

>>16016709
>Fiata
>1.4l turbo
>ugly bubble body
>convertible
>same 0-60 as new 86 twins
Lolno

>saw one at the light in front of me yesterday
>fuccboi with a man bun eating a goddamn ice cream in his car
>had to open the door right before the light turned green in order to not have the dripping ice cream land in his car or on his clothes
Why does the Toyobaru attract such terrible people? Is it because it's the cheapest thing that looks like a legit sports car?

Cheap sports cars don't make sense where I live. It's mostly straight roads so what you want is horsepower and stability, good handling found in the 86 twins is fairly irrelevant.

If I had a track nearby I would buy one though.

>>16016736
The car actually looks sexy as fuck but that's it's downfall because it looks like it should be fast when it's not

>>16016262
Getting my '13 GT86 on saturday, before prices skyrocket because the new model is hideous.

>hillstart assist
>buttons bolted onto steering wheel
Fuck you Toyota.

>>16016722
The price of the abarth's speed is mid 80s levels of turbo lag.

>>16016744
>shit that never happened.txt

>>16016908
I think I'll get one in next spring, since it's probably not great in the winter anyway.

>>16017046
Winter here means 10°C.

>>16017046
god knows why it even comes with heated seats lol

>>16016771
That is such shit opinion I can't even handle it I mean what the fuck "I only have straight roads" are you some kind of loser faggot that drives a Mustang or something??

>>16016435
What's with the shark nose?

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>>16016730
>Will the gt86/BRZ be the next meme car?
>Will
>next

>>16016489

I've never not once noticed that in the 4 years I've had it.

if you want to go fast, shift down and keep above 5000RPM. if you dont need to go really fast, keep below.

its not rocket science, people. a basic grasp of how manual transmissions work should go a long way.

if you for some reason wanted a drag racer where you only shifted up, i guess the ''torque dip'' would be a problem?

>>16017671
>if you for some reason wanted a drag racer where you only shifted up, i guess the ''torque dip'' would be a problem?
This is why all the butthurt busriders hate it

>muh stoplight races

Jesus christ, I'd rather buy a FRS and replace the badging.

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>>16017046

used mine 3 winters so far. its pretty fun.

>>16017671
There's people who'd rather have 5 liter V8s with enough torque to make due with a 3 speed auto or a tiny engine with a turbo twice as big that has full torque between 1250 and 5500 RPM.

>>16017707

I don't want either of those, so I got a BRZ.

>>16017707
If you wanted a 5 liter V8 and a 3 speed auto wouldn't you just buy a 30 year old muscle car for half the price?

>>16017715
I'm afraid I'll get into a habit of skipping gears once I get my GT86. Like dropping to whatever puts me into the 5000+ RPM range as opposed to dropping a gear at a time. And shifting straight to 5th or 6th after accelerating in 2nd or 3rd. That can't be healthy for the synchros in the long run, can it?

>>16017739
>That can't be healthy for the synchros in the long run, can it?

thats why you revmatch.

>>16017738
Yeah, an old F-body or an ecoboost Mustang, to spell it out. I feel like these are two of the main meme choices /o/ is trying to shill as better alternatives to the Toyobaru.
>>16017749
A lot easier said than done when skipping 3 gears.

>>16017753

I'm hardly a racing driver and I do it every day.

>>16017753

when the hell are you skipping 3 gears anyways. do you even MT.

>>16017767
Steer clear of the torque dip.

>>16017772

even if you were driving below 2000RPM somehow, thats one gear down to get you above 5000, above this boards famous goddamn torque dip that doesnt even really exist.

>>16017780
2000 RPM isn't one gear away from 5000, not even between 1st and 2nd. The torque dip does exist, but it's only an issue for benchracers that value dyno charts.

>>16017780
>doesn't really even exist
The car's own factory installed dyno shows the torque dip in the gauge cluster display

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>tfw the Civic Si is going to cost less and be even better than gt86

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>>16017810
>FF
>better

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>>16017810
>FWD

What are the curb weights of the 2017 86 and BRZ?
Manual base models, of course.

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>>16017834

BRZ with heated seats and crap, 1200kg, base GT86, 1190kg

automatic tragedies, 1270+kg

>>16017834
2758 lbs

>>16017839
Is that lighter or heavier than the 2012 models? There's dozens of different numbers on the internet.

>>16017851

pretty much identical really.

not much has changed.

>>16016278
>>16016592
Because Toyota does not care about making sports cars. They are self sabotaging themselves so they can purposefully drive down sales so they can discontinue it and continue to make soulless commuter cars like they have been doing.

>>16017991
Surprise, when the economy goes to pot everyone cares more about cheap cars that have good mileage more than fun cars

Also,
>what is the new Supra

>>16017991
Why the fuck do they have to go thru this hassle?

Are you guys just trying really hard to find the little differences and then acting like its a big deal?

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Zenki 86 is best 86

>>16017839
Dude, will you please stop saying there 86 weighs 100 pounds less than it really does? I proved you wrong in the last thread. No one uses dry weight when taking about car weight.

>>16017851
The refresh is like 30lbs heavier

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>>16016265

>>16016730
If it end up costing less than 5k yes. Its slow, light, manual, RWD, and fairly common.

>>16017739
The snychros wont care, your clutch will

>>16018439
Nice color mang. Is that a wrap?

>>16018476
lmao tell that to Honda

>tfw same engineers did the 86 tranny as the s2k

http://www.s2ki.com/home/2014/09/22/why-skip-shifting-is-bad/

>In 2006, Honda published a Service News bulletin which stated that skip shifting would damage the transmission synchros over time. This has been validated by several members of the S2000 community reporting difficulty in shifting into fifth/sixth gear after a long period of skip shifting.

That took too much effort, can someone else post the F&F granny shifting meme?

>>16016262
it's making the face i made looking at it

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>>16018484
That's not mine. That's a RS 2.0. limited product color. Same as the Subaru XT or whatever that wagon is.

>>16018533
Are there any Ontarians with an 86? About how much can I expect to spend on it, in gas and insurance? I'm thinking of picking up a discounted FR-S, whether new or used, I don't care.

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>>16016363
MTs have a new engine. Shut up

>>16016435
Edgy

>>16016489
Nope. About 10rwhp more though

>>16016666
Valentis look like shit compared to TOMs

>>16018540
I'm in the states. I can't help much. Avoid buying a MY13 though. They have the most issues. MY15 and MY16 FRS are not as prone to oversteer as the earlier FRSs

>>16018540
>Are there any Ontarians with an 86? About how much can I expect to spend on it, in gas and insurance? I'm thinking of picking up a discounted FR-S, whether new or used, I don't care.

There's a shit ton, go make an account on ft86club and post in the Ontario section.

Post in general and you'll get shit on.

Basicallt a meme car like the memeata or the hachi memeku

>>16016262
The car looks like it just saw itself in the mirror for the first time.

>>16016262
God why dont you fucking cucks buy a 350/370Z if you want a good rwd coupe. My grandfathers tractor is quicker in a straight line..

>>16018803
>God why dont you fucking cucks buy a 350/370Z if you want a good rwd coupe. My grandfathers tractor is quicker in a straight line..

Because straight lines are for simpletons, enjoy riding your grandfathers erection I mean tractor.

>>16018632

Tuning it to gain a few more hp isnt' a new engine.

>>16018825
The point is that it also handles just as good and actually has some bloody speed, ya fuckin dingus.

>>16018839
>The point is that it also handles just as good

lmao ok

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>>16018803
>Renault Nissan
>Good

K

>>16018828
It's an engine that's not the same as the old one. It's new and improved

>>16018839
350/370z's are pig fat compared to the FRS.

>>16016401
Ej25 is unreliable dogshit and you know it. There is a reason factory five is switching to ecoboost for the 818.

>>16018851

Ohh whats the name of this new engine.

>>16018852
>>16018849

kek have you even driven one? Ive had the opportunity to drive quite a bit of both, they handle very similair at the same speed, and the 350z I drove with coilovers outhandled the stock 86 easily the 370z with stock felt very similair to 86

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>>16018868
They are both fa20d, but I'm sure there is a code to differentiate the two.

>>16018540
I pay 150 a month for car and 40 for house insurance. Im with melache Monics or w.e the fk td calls their insurance branch.
I pay 60$ in gas every 550km. I get only 94 from petrol Canada.

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>non-turbo Subaru engine

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>>16019135
You serious?

>>16018983
Oh, the fa20d you say? That sure sounds SUPER different.

There should be some memelords lurking, is a 4AGE always a 4AGE? :^^^^)

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>>16019148
You heard me.

>>16019169
That's a big wall

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>>16019177

For you.

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>>16019164
Black top vs red top