The dream is dead.

>>16000924

i don't see a problem here
Its 2016, expect more shit like this.

be thankful it doesnt have a CVT.

and isnt that a spy picture of the Z5?

>>16000966
It's the new Supra apparently. In case you didn't know, Toyota and BMW are building their respective cars on the same platform.

>>16000924
looks like a generic pos anyways.
Nothing of value is lost.

>>16001002
New Supra w/ Beemer I6?
Sign me up!
t. Guy who hates BMW and thinks the Supra was overrated.

I could never have afforded one so i couldn't have cared less what it has in it

>>16000924
It's Toyota. It's almost an 80% chance they will fuck it up.

>>16000924
old news is old

also it only does in the highest trim, not that you could afford it poorfag :^)

>>16001002
Really? Wild.

It amazes me that companies have these partnerships. The new Infiniti compact CUV (FX25?) uses the same platform as the Mercedes GLK.

>>16001108
"Hey guys we're making it NA because muh drivers car"

>>16001108
>>16001834
What would you think of the 335i engine being put in it?

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I'm pretty sure the hybrid is only for the top end model.

It sounds like there is going to be a turbo 4 base model also

>>16001842
I heard it was going to be a TT i6 build on the Z series chasis. Not to sure how true the rumour is though.

>>16001844

might be interested if they sell a turbo 4 version for around $35k ...

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>>16001865
It wont be less than 85k

>>16001865
there is not gonna be turbo 4 base tho, just 6 cylinder N/a engine with hybrid on it ,

>>16001870

the top model yes, I'm talking about a potential lower tier model

>>16001842
>the german 2JZ
>in the new supra
oh my gooOOD

>>16001880
Lower tier will be 85k starting

Top end track model will be 115k

If you think this is too high look at other halo cars like the audi R8 which runs up to 220k in price

>>16001880
there is no lower tier, supra is just coming compete with gtr in japan , there is no midtier competition

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>>16001865
Probably closer to 40k. Good luck getting one for MSRP at first.

>>16001878
Most Supras have had multiple engine options. Why not this generation? This isn't a Lexus, Toyota needs to make it semi-obtainable.

>>16001880
I could see it being on par with C7 Corvette pricing

>>16001901
this is not old supra, there is 14 years between this and last supra only thing they have common is name and competition they are against . and you cannot have 80k+ car based on same chassis as 4 cylinder beater it would undermine top models

>>16001083
How's that automatic mustang treating you?

>>16001901
also they already have brz and upcoming brz successor so they have 4 cylinder sportcar already sorted out

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>>16001934
>>16001940

This car is built on the z5 platform. MSRP for a new z4 is 49k. Is it really outrageous to think that Toyota offer more tame variant for a little less?

I don't know where you keep pulling the 80k number from. Maybe that's how much they will be after dealer mark ups. Like I said, this is a Toyota not a Lexus.

The RCF starts at 64k.

>>16001980

They're probably FR-S owners that are scared a turbo 4 cylnder supra would render their car line obsolete.

BMW's rwd turbo 4 coupe (230i) msrp is $32k, there's no reason why toyota can't sell a base supra for around that price.

>>16001980
>>16001894

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>>16002008
OK, but that's wrong

>>16002004
Eh, I own an FRS and I'm excited for the supra. I have faith in Toyota. I probably wouldn't be able to buy one for like 5 years though.

>>16002004
well i mean it was obsolete when it first rolled out factory , but you are just dreaming about supra for under 40k and trying justify it by any means , its halo car for toyota , and if something was 40-50k in 90's it much more in 2010's

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>>16000924
People have known that the next Supra was probably going to be a hybrid for the last 10 years. Only casuals and noobs would've thought otherwise.

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>>16002067

I have no doubt that the top tier Supra will be 80k+

I'm just entertaining the possibility that they might offer a base model version with BMW's N20 engine. What I really want is pic related, maybe Toyota can make something similar in the form of a base supra.

>>16002067
It's not going to be under 40k but it's not going to be 80k either.

And odds are high that there will be two variants

>>16002091
The fuck bro.
Buy a 2013 frs, get either an Edelbrock or a ptuning setup. There is your 25k vehicular device.
(If you have friends who sell cars, you can easily get one for 12.5 Canadian, then get a proper setup done, maybe even build engine parts).
Enjoy a super fun car for next 5years.

>>16002110
>modifying a fr-s

no thanks, i prefer to have a good car straight from the factory.

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>>16002139
Modding is the fun part though.

>>16002139
>implying that torque dip form the factory is "good"

you need to drive better cars, anon

>>16002421
Cayman has torque dip from the factory...

is this still the FT-1?

how did it change so much

so damn ugly now

>>16001901
>Probably closer to 40k.
heh yeah right dumbass

I'd buy one

>>16004510
45k at the most for the base you double nigger

I'm more disappointed that it has a BMW motor, it's a "Supra" without the reliability.
Toyota is getting lazy and it shows.

>tfw mazda/chebby partnership never
>tfw no 16x based 4 rotor to jam in the corvette

>>16004752
Mazda will be acquired by FCA in the near future.
Mark my words.

>>16004958
4/5 rotor snek is also acceptable

>there are people on here who fucking think the new Supra will run for 35k-45k

LOL

this shit is going to easily be 80k plus.

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>>16000924
Why would it matter if you can't afford it?

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Only Mazda can save us now

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too soon?

>>16000924
That swirly shit is annoying. They're not fooling anyone about what the car looks like except computer vision algorithms. A 5-year-old could trace what the car looks like with 90% accuracy.

>>16004971
80k is too high for starting price. The LC 500 is going to start at like 90k.

>>16005137
Except various exterior parts are not even production. The front bumper isn't what's going to be on the actual car.

Feels bad man

>build fast sport cars
>MUH FUEL ECONOMY
This meme must end. If you care about fuel economy in a fast car you're doing it wrong. Get a daily commuter for that.

If you want to go fast and have good empeegees get a damn bike.

>>16005183

there's a lot of performance benefit to a hybrid drive train

>>16005200
Except extra mass. Higher inertia makes cornering less precise.

Desu, after driving a Prius I don't think I could go back to a non-hybrid.

> literally wasting energy as heat every time you touch the brakes

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>>16005183
>Buy +60k car
>Only drive it on the weekends.

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>>16000924

>>16005200
>>16005208
Yeah so do turbos but I've never heard of anyone bitching about adding those on. Plus you can literally put the "heavy" lithium packs in the trunk.

A hybrid powertrain could be the best thing for autosport. We constantly lament turbo lag and trading low end torque for high rev power but with electric power we have the low end solved. If they don't fuck it up this could be awesome.

>>16005239

> buy a fun car
> waste it sitting in traffic

>>16005208

actually you can use the extra weight to balance the car out. The batteries can also be placed very low like in the tesla for lower cog.

And with the electric drivetrain you can also do some interesting torque vectoring stuff to improve handling

>>16005247
>turbos
>heavy

>>16005247
>A hybrid powertrain could be the best thing for autosport. We constantly lament turbo lag and trading low end torque for high rev power but with electric power we have the low end solved. If they don't fuck it up this could be awesome.

this desu

the added fuel efficiency won't hurt either

>>16005281
Whatever, you can still put lithium cells behind the backseat like the new prius

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>>16005251
>Committing

>>16005263
Tesla handles like dog shit because the batteries weigh a billion pounds.

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Waaaaah hybrids are ruining cars!

>>16005320
Bad car

>>16005312

Tesla is full electric, you don't need a billion pounds of batteries for a hybrid drive train.

>>16005312
They handle much better than any other car in their segment

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>All these fucking fanboys

Toyota hasn't made anything good in years, they've actively worked to disown sports cars from their lineup, don't know why people expected anything less from them.

>>16004637
>implying modern BMW engines have any problem with reliability

>>16005764
have you ever raced through monaco in a camry, senpai?

>>16001894
You're fucking retarded.

>>16004637
>implying anybody knows what's even actually in the car yet

fuck this thread

Rumor has it, and this seems more likely than some of the shit I'm seeing here, the Supra is going to be around 400 HP and primarily compete with the Corvette. Engine could be fucking anything, probably will have different engine options: I4, I6, V6, Hybrid, who knows. I'd say it would fall in around the $40k to $50k mark for the base car. Trim levels and other shit would obviously jack the price up.

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZSM_tlL_1Y

>>16007301
That engine sounds so anaemic..

>>16000924
Feels good. Turbo can be fuckhuge with low down electric torque taking care of the turbo lag.

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>>16005764
Mkiv supra
Mrs spyder
gt86
LFA
SFR
RCF
LC500

What has Mitsubishi/Nissan/Honda done?

>>16004995
I'd prefer hybrid with a rotary. It's a shame Mazda are being so gutless with the new RX.

Electric for more torque down low in a rotary makes more sense than with an i-6. And i-6 is already so big and heavy.

You already have this long ass i-6 motor AND you're going to put an electric motor behind it? I guess maybe it'll be transaxle with the electric motor in the back, but still.

New Supra sounds like it'll be nice to me. Though I don't know how they're going to make it competitive in the segment if it's a $60k+ car. I'd expect closer to $45k for the base model.

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Is it me or does the new Supra seem really tiny? It looks like it might even be smaller than a FR-S

>>16007647
Yep. Looks really small cabin wise, but longer hood. I bet it'll still weigh more than 3200lb, though.

>>16005312
That's not how it works, faggot. The batteries are on the floor and inside all the wheels, this is extremely good for handling
It also has independent all wheel drive with full torque vectoring.

You'd think you faggots would've learned your lesson after the pigfat GTR came out and started destroying everything

>>16000924
this car was a poor mans skyline, so no big lost

>>16007569
>Honda
new NSX
new S660
plans on possible ZSX
plans on possible S1000

>>16007720
Except for how it was more expensive than the skyline, and how it was a sporty GT rather than an all out sports car like the skyline.

Only idiots compare them, the supra should be compared to the GTO and 300ZX.

>>16007715
Yeah the Tesla handles okay-ish. It has good CG and other things, but it wasn't made to be a top tier handling car. It was just made to be a "sporty" large sedan.

It needs a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels, but those aren't too hard to fix. The stock wheels are too skinny and made for lower rolling resistance, and can't handle the weight in corners. People do AutoX their Teslas. The problem is that they go into limp-mode REALLY quick.

But hybrid can be the best of both worlds and absurdly good performance, like the P1.

>>16007747
SKYLINE > SUPRA
STAY BTFO

>>16005764
>closed course
how much money did they pay to close off monaco? or do they do it during grand prix?

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>>16007760
lolk

>>16007834
>Nissan Rouge
>literally this retarded
stay BTFO

>>16007569
Honda: NSX, S2000, S660, and some of the Type-R shit.

Nissan: R35 GT-R, the Skyline GT-R family, a few Infinitis, and the Z family

Mitsubishi: Evo, 3000GT, and the FTO

>>16000924
indifferent

>>16007910
>Infiniti EX
>both literally this retarded

>>16007952
Stay btfo

>>16007956
Yep.

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>>16007910
>He thinks the Rouge and Skyline crossover are the same car
>They don't even share the same platform
Don't be such a fuckwit

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>>16007965
>being this fucking retarded
>not using google for reserach
stay retarded

>>16007982
>not knowing off the top of your head that the FM platform only has the Q50, the G, the M, the Z, the Stagea, the FX, the EX, and the Elgrand.
>being this retarded
>we are all retarded
I'm killing myself.

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>>16007982
Lolk

>>16008024
This guy gets it.

>>16002081
>10 years

Try 2 and you might be close to the truth.

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>>16008018
>literally this retarded
lmfao stay retarded

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>>16008042
I mean how hard is it to get the FWD GTRouge Skyline?

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>>16008057
>literally more retardeder
lmfao stay retarded

>>16008071
People are just fucking retards. They will never learn.

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>>16008057
>keeps calling people retarded
>is probably a down syndromey autistic window licker spit flinger spastic confined to a wheelchair who has their ass wiped cause they are mentally incapable of doing it themself and has a 400lb gorrilanurse care for them

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>16008098
>UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
LMAOO STAY BTFO

>>16008071
Jesus. Every element on that front end looks 40% too big for the rest of the car behind it. And the hood looks like it has a W16 engine in it. Whose idea is it to do that shit?

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>>16008077
>weebposting
>litteraly this retarded
stay retarded
>>16008098
>projecting this hard
i sense a blasted ass
stay btfo

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>>16008132
>where the fuck are we even going with this shit now
stay retared

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>>16008138
STAY BTFO

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>>16008121
>>16008132
lolk

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>>16008152
nah
>>16008138
>retared
lolwut

>>16008171
>usign grammar mistakes to attack someone
stay btfo

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>>16008180
cool.
>getting butthurt

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>>16008187
radical
>getting retarded

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>>16008194
super duper
>i do that only on weekends

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>>16008052
Son, the FT-HS concept car was unveiled back in 2006. People have been speculating that the next Supra would be hybrid ever since you were still in grade school. Even a Toyota exec hinted at it back in 2008:
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1025004_toyota-exec-says-ft-hs-could-be-supra-of-the-future

..You're way behind the power curve to the tune of some eight years if you thought a hybrid Supra is a new idea, kiddo.

>>16000924
Couldn't they just modern car design over the JZA80 chassis, drivetrain and engine?

Only Toyota can produce that amount of butthurt and shitposting

>>16008219
Stay btfo

>>16008219
>Implying we are all toyota fanboys
FUCK YOU THE CAMRY HYBRID IS THE BEST CAR IN THE WORLD AUTOISTS GET OUT RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16000924
When MR2 died

>>16008211
I thought it was basically confirmed that the top end Supra was going to be straight6+hybrid making 473hp, and cost more than the Corvette Stingray?

>>16008213
Holy shit how are people so clueless as to how bad car chasis were until basically 2005 when computer aided design could more properly test them?
I thought this was common knowledge for the past 10 years, but some people still don't get it.
Why do you think the ND chassis weighs less than the NA, while having 3 times the stiffness?

I bet the RX-8 chassis at 30,000nm/deg torsional rigidity is three times that of the JZA80, despite weighing far less.
I can't find a cited, reliable number, but I'm hearing it's only 8,000nm/deg for the Supra. Holy shit.
The FD was regarded as one of the best, or the best, chassis of its day. It had 15,000nm/def of stiffneess.

Most modern 4 door sedans have over double the stiffness in their chassis than the Supra does. What is wrong with you?

You're literally better off taking a Corolla, rwd swapping a better engine in it, and fabbing a custom suspension set up than doing anything with a Supra and its shit JZA80 chassis. God damn so many people on /o/ are blinded by nostalgia and have no clue how bad most older cars are.

>>16001894
no one is going to buy a $85-115k toyota

>>16008384
Every single LF-A made sold out before they were even built.

Toyota is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

If they sell them for 45k, and take a loss for brand image or something, they'd still probably only sell about 2,500 per year in the USA, or 7,500 per year world wide.

If they sell them for 85k, they might only sell 500-1000 per year, but at least they'll probably break even on them.

As for more US sales, look at the 4C. It only sold like 600 per year. 3500 Caymans per year. 7,000 370zs. 10,000 Miatas. 1,000 GT-Rs. The one outlier is the Corvette, which sold 33,000 last year.

Think of that. The Miata is a car that's sold 1 million over less than 25 years. Yet they only sell 10,000 per year now days, despite the new one being cheaper and an amazing car.

People just don't buy two seaters anymore.

>>16000924
Its gonna be a V6 turbo Hybrid AWD with 2 electric motors and 4 speed trans + CVT (like the LC500). No stick.

You will stay mad.

>>16008431
>LC500
467 hp to the Cayman GTS's 340hp and a 0.2s slower 0-60. That's hilarious.

>>16000924
The dream was dead long ago when they announced its going to be a rebadged BMW.

>>16008414
>>Every single LF-A made sold out before they were even built.

a limited run 10 cylinder supercar that will appreciate in value is not the same as a $100k toyota supra.

>>16007647
Judging by this pic, this cant fit a BMW inline 6 under the hood. The hood slopes down too quickly. It must be the turbo 4 cylinder. But remember this car will probably weight around 1300kg or even less, so it will be enough for sporty driving.

>>16008071
Big car "faces" are the new thing now. Big features (grill, lights) to grab more attention and to make the design more emotive. But I agree I don't like the philosophy behind it, but when you see one in person you do look at it, at least when it's new and rare.

>>16007647
It's slightly bigger than the FRS. Someone has a scaled picture of the two cars.

The dimensions are very similar to the last supra

>>16009370
Uhhh it's like 10 inches longer than the FR-S. 177" long. And more of it is hood. It also is likely angled to one side.

What a stupid conjecture. Like the same people saying the RX-Vision looks like it could fit an I-12 when the hood is only like 24 inches deep and i-4 engines are commonly at least 30 inches tall.

>>16001842
>turbocharging an i6
Biggest crime in Germany's history.

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>>16000924
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS THIS

>>16004244
Cayman's lowpoint is still better than the frs' whole powerband.

>>16009436
don't be a bitch

the original i6 had no torque at low end

>>16005340
Is Bugatti Veyron you favorite car?

>>16004958
But you're a complete moron, so no.
Fuck off fiat shill

>>16008431
>CVT
kys

>>16004958
You're a moron.

Mazda is doing extremely well for such a small company because they make a lot from licensing their patents.

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>>16009457
The Cayman also weighs more and starts at 52k.

>>16009456
Plastic shit they put on to distract retards

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>>16009418
Lemme draw that for you. Also I have an I6 BMW so I know how long the engine is compared to a human. The front slopes down. It's not the length of the car, it's the shape of it.

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I'm so hard right now

fuck this shit

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Gettin real tired of these renders and rumors, just make the damn car already

>>16008384
>What is the Toyota Land Cruiser

>>16012970
Extremely overpriced sold exclusively to oil tycoons.

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>>16008384
>no one is going to buy a $85-115k toyota

Hi.

is it even possible to make a sports car these days that isn't fat as fuck and ugly looking?

>>16012970
>>16013793
when is the last time you saw a land cruiser?

i see the occasional LX570, but never land cruisers.

>>16004995
Why is the front so fucking long? What the fuck?

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>>16000924
My dream died when CVTs have taken over the fucking market, that and everything having a fucking computer in it, IM LOOKING AT YOU BENZ, fucking faggots.

>>16014548
12 rotor.

>>16014548
10 rotor engine

I really hope every cult icon car doesn't have a halo car in this generation.

>>16008274
>What is aftermarket chassis re-knitting

You fail to understand that several cunts who have 500 grand supras have gone to this extreme.

For it's time period, it was an amazing chassis. With a ton of money and modern technology they can literally recraft the entire car out of carbon fibre, titanium and graphene.

If you love the car enough, you can bring it into the 21st century. There are some fucking mental cars out there owned by people with a lot of love and deep pockets.

>>16014618
There's actually a guy near me who's supra is like this.

I was passenger in my mate's 800hp car and it just walked us like we were standing still.

The thing appeared to be made of CF, had no paint. God knows how light it was since he's obviously not bound by safety regulations. Most likely under a tonne if he had the entire chassis redone.

And that thing screamed, i know supras make big power but dear god, it was like we were standing still.

>>16010744
Why do you assume the bottom of the engine is mounted above the front axle?

The cross member won't be that high.

>>16014548
It's not that long. It's just very low and looks long. The hood is like 24" tall. Room in the front for oil cooler, radiator, intercooler, pedestrian safety, blah blah. It'll probably be slightly shorter, but it's still going to look long like the FD's looks long because it's not a 5 seat car. It's just a bit longer than the MX-5 hood.

>>16014532
People used to buy them, it's just that fashion left it behind. Point is people will pay a lot for a Toyota badged vehicle.

>>16014618
>>16014624
Or you could do that to a car with a twice as better chassis, like the FD.

Why do you think 90% of the top 3 finishes for the past 10 years in SSM/SM2 are FDs? It's not like you can't get a non-turbo Supra for cheap and do those swaps and modifications within the rules. The rules let you weld the frame better than factory spot welding and so on, just so long as you don't cut it.
350whp 2 rotor FDs destroying 500hp 911s, among other things, and there's 3rotors as well.
The FD is just pretty much the best platform for a 2000lb car. Not your claimed 2000lb 500grand Supra.

>>16014719
Actually, you are talking about motorsport, with regulations.

He is talking about no rules on the street. a 2000lbs monster with shit tons of downforce (the supra has fucktons, it's like a japanese viper, you seen those hips?) for stupid roll races.

The supra excels at that.

I find it believable, people adore supras. The miata only has it's light weight going for it, but virtually no downforce to speak of when you're getting into 1500hp territory. Go watch videos on how stable supras are, it's fucking mind bending. And those are non hardened chassis ones.

One done up with modern tech would be mental.

>>16014719
He is talking about literally replacing the chassis with a CF monocoque like a fucking konegseigg.

Which, while uncommon, does get done to a few old cars and is fucking brutal. Drags them kicking and screaming into the modern era, to destroy nearly anything they come up against.

>>16014719
I was referring to the step above re-welding. Nothing remains of the original car except the shape. Modern materials make it stupid strong, it keeps it's absurd downforce (with small tweaks).

It's the kind of shit only ever done to a car you love, that is dying from rust or one you want to make stupid mental.

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>>16007569
>those cars
>good
Toyotas are maximum normie no-fun-allowed cars

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>>16014762
SM2 has very lose rules, dude. Engine has to be from the same manufacturer. Has to be over 1978lbs. That's basically it.

Nice job with the bullshit excuses about aero and shit. SM2 allows aero. It allows basically anything except swapping in another manufacturers engine and cutting the chassis. But of course you don't know shit about that since you don't know what you're talking about.

>>16014767
>He is talking about literally replacing the chassis with a CF monocoque like a fucking konegseigg.
Then it's not a JZA80 chassis anymore, dumbass. It's just body panels that resemble an older car on a custom frame.

>>16014795
>Muh miata is better than a supra

I'm not sure if you are actually this fucking retarded. Pour 400k into a supra and it will be far superior to a 800k miata.

You are attacking the original bloke who made a very valid point. The supra's chassis is not shit at all. For it's time period, it was fucking amazing.

Yes, there are better cars now, but a supra can be brought up to par with them (provided enough money).

I'm not actually sure what you're getting at, because everything he said is factually correct.

And no, a miata is not better. It may be light, but it's wheelbase is fucking shit. It was never designed for regular pulls above 300km/h, while the supra happily will sit there on a highway.

The supra is simply a more stable car.

>>16014624
>>16014762
>>16014830
>The Supra chassis isn't complete shit if you completely replace it with a carbon fiber custom chassis with custom carbon fiber bodywork on top that's essentially a kit car

>The FD is a Miata

Retards

>>16014532
Come to 'straya m8, they're fuckin a dime a dozen down here

>>16008559
And 0.5 seconds slower from 0-60 than the new Cayman S (4.0s).

>>16015724
>.5 seconds slower from 0-60 than the new Cayman S (4.0s)
Which has a bit more hp, 350. But damn.

That's pathetic, Lexus.
And the Lexus costs almost twice as much. It cost as much as a GT-R.

It's a real shame because the LC500 has one of the nicest interiors. But it's performance and exterior are terrible.

>>16000924
It'll probably be a 3500+ pound pig, but then, the last Supra was a heavy pig as well

>>16007739
lol u fuck, the guy made a list of cars that toyota HAS made, and u come with cars that honda has PLANS on making. U lost honda fgt

>>16015798
I'm hoping it'll be in the 3200s. Don't think I can hope for more than that.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it's 3500lb, or even closer to 3800lb with the hybrid shit on the top end model.

>>16002110
>12,500 Canadian buckaroos
That's like 8 American dollars

>>16014548
Dorito storage container