Is the new Camaro SS the best bang for buck right now? Apart

>>15998842
I just noticed it's shaped like a corvette

>>15998842
No. The best bang for buck is an ls F-body for <10k.

>>15998842
For the price of the camaro you could get a mustang and some mods and beat it. Also you could see.

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>>15998849
it does? I don't think so.

Since both are GM products, similarities can be expected.

>>15998864
I'm trying to keep everything stock. I just am in the market for something that is fast for least money.

>>15998878
I've been in a 2015 camaro and 2017 mustang. Imo I would go with the mustang, it had more power and it has a lot more features

>>15998878
Definitely ls F-body.

>>15998878
>i want the best bang for the buck
>buys new

LOL

Get a 2nd Gen Viper.

>>15998900
Yes, if I'm able to afford a new one, I can buy it.

>>15998842
They look small tho

>>15998887
Thanks for the opinion man.

Drive both, see which will be the best to live with. I wanted to do my own mods and the gt's much cheaper starting price and easy daily driving sold me on it. I don't think you'd be disappointed either way though both cars have come along way.

>>15998842
I was going to get a camaro but every chevy dealer is scum that wanted over 500 bucks a month for 39 months with no money down. I ain't paying that kind of money for a fucking chevy so I got a mote expensive BMW for less

>>15998889
I bet you could build a 4g63 mid-engine miata with turbo and full internals for under the price of a new camaro or corvette and die gloriously

>>15998862
/thread
and
The aftermarket for them is massive.

t. 02 camaro ss owner

>>15998842
Personally, the visibility isn't just "not-so-okay" but horrendous on the Camaro.

I test drove one once, and the lack of visibility was the biggest turn-off. Have drove many other cars since and nothing has come close.

The Camaro's rear window is a fucking joke in particular.

Kinda sucks, because they do drive nice.

>>15999073
This was my reason for not buying one a few weeks ago. Everything about the car is great, until you have to back up or check a blind spot.
Can't say how a Mustang works in that regard because I've actually never driven one, but Camaro over the years has held onto Value far better than Mustang. Unless we're talking restored classics or the not-so-ford Shelby Mustang.

>>15998862
That's a funny way of saying $15k Evo/STI or $20k Z06

>>15999114
Also been in the new Mustang's, they're a fair bit better in regards to visibility. The rear window actually has SOME use, and checking out the side also has some use.

>>15999114
WTF man.

Adjust your mirrors properly and use the backup camera. I can back my Z/28 INTO my garage.

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>>15998864
This. The Mustang is way cheaper.

>>15998887
2015 camaro isn't the new one though. He's talking buying new

>>15998842
Get a corvette c6 z06 or zr1

>>15999274
This picture isn't relevant at all to the OP

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>>15999073
Camaro is shit design in general.

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>>15999352

>>15998921
pro tip, if you need a loan you cant afford it.

Buy used sports car outright $22,000.
Insurance 100$/month,
gas maintenance 100$/month

Buy NEW car for 44000.
put 24000 down on car,
make ~400$ monthly payment
make 200$ insurance payment
Gas/maintenance 100$/month

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>camaro
Literally a hugbox for tryhard highschoolers.

>>15999343
Found the gm fangirl

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>>15999388
>GM in charge of being able to see out of your car

>>15999358
Haha, that's rough

>>15998864
used mustang prices are much higher than comparative camaros because higher demands from normies like you, new 2016 ss's are going for ~32k meanwhile 2015 GT's with 10k miles are going for 30k, as of now camaro is better deal than rustang, might not be when 2016 supply depleted but right now your car is an overprices death sled

>>15998842
1. it looks just like it looked like 5 years ago.
2. tailights are terrible
3. visibility is terrible

there you go.

>>15999352
>>15999358

Fit a 46" TV in the trunk of mine. Trunk is actually pretty big for a sports car, but the opening is still very much as small as a sports car.

>>15999073
>>15999114
I daily drive my camaro, you just learn to pay attention to the road and position mirrors directly into "blind spot" lol I barely even use mine when I merge as I just out accelerate everything on the road. BTW backup cameras come standard and if you really are that bad of a driver you need a green house to drive without crashing into a group of people then you can get models that sense if a car is in your blind spot.

Also, daily remineder people are dailying lambos, ferraris, and mclarens with just a sbad "rear vision"

>>15999503
The difference is that those lambos, ferraris, and mclarens have to have bad visibility, since they're tiny mid engined 2 seaters. The camaro only has shit visibility because the retarded designers thought it looked cool

>>15999521
And so that retarded highschoolers wouldn't kill themselves the first time they crashed their Camaro.

>>15999521
>>15999521
>>15999521
>The difference is that those lambos, ferraris, and mclarens have to have bad visibility, since they're tiny mid engined 2 seaters.

Audi R8, also that was a trap because ferrari and mclaren aren't even that bad but the aperta/spyder are shit, there is a fix for that, put the top down, same with the camaro, get a fucking convertable if your such a pussy and throw the top down

brb, better aerodynamics and lower stance for car resulting in better handling.

You saying that designers are retards isn't even logical when we have mustangs with their short wheelbases and for 50 years live rear axle, shit their cars can't even keep stable now that they got rid of it despite the greenhouse view. So this is your reminder camaros aren't known for causing accidents because people couldn't see their blindspots, the rear view works fine and mirrors can fix that. The only people complaining about visibility tried the car and didn't get buy it, everyone who drives it has gotta used to it and realizes it's not really a problem just an inconvenience, so unless your neck is broken from sucking so much cock you can't move your head get BTFO.

>>15999373
That's why you lease

>>15998842
Yep..especially right now. Some dealers have the 1ss for 30k.

>>15999503
you sound like a shit driver

>>15999705
HOLY FUCK

Where?
Ill buy one right now

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>>15998842
pfft yea

>>15999710
you have no idea, that't why I need a sports car that can save my ass and literally perform miracles, if I would have been driving a mustang I would 100% have totaled my car right now, brb merging and then spinning out, camaro to mustang is like GTR to viper GTS, get BTFO by my superior car.

>>15999705
Maybe the shitty last gens. No way brand new ones are going for $10k under MSRP

>>15998842
It costs almost as much as a GT350.

If you can spend $38k why can't you spend $48k for a far superior car?

>>15999760
new 2016 1ss are going for 32k in my area, im pretty sure when I check they were automatics too, so manual going for 30 is possible also

http://jalopnik.com/brand-new-chevrolet-camaros-are-absurdly-cheap-right-no-1787662886

2ss going for under 35k lol so yes

Least it's better than that POS Mustang.

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>>15999762
10k more plus even getting a used one you pay 5k markup so 15k more making it 52k for a gt350

but why pay 52k for a gt350 when you can get a zl1 for 62k for a much better and much faster car

c wat i did there

>>15999373
>pro tip, if you need a loan you cant afford it.
Retarded kids on /o/ that know nothing about finances.

If you can get a loan for under 0.9% @ 3 years, you are getting it for roughly the same than if you paid cash up front. More so if inflation jumps up to the historic 2.2% instead of the 1.1% it is now.

And if you're getting a return on 5% on your money, you want more money in the bank getting a greater return than you'd spend on low interest car loans. Stay poor, idiot.

>>15999792
You can get a GT350 for MSRP. It's not a Raptor.
Just contact every dealer in your state and neighboring state. One of them will want to actually sell the car, and will even deliver it to a nearby dealer to finalize the transaction.

>you can get a zl1 for 62k for a much better and much faster car
Cuz the GT350 sounds better, has 4 seats, and is actually comparable to the Camaro.

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>>15999739

>>15999977
What happened at 8.8? Shitty driving?

It's on a wide sweeping turn and the Corvette suddenly slows way the fuck down

>>15999972
>zl1 not comparable to a camaro
>thinks he can find a gt350 for anything less than 5k over

next your gunna tell me I can find a gt350r for only 1k over MSRP

literally you cannot find a gt350 right now for under 55k lol, if you could could get it for MSRP its been bought and then flipped, please disagree more so everyone can see how retarded you are.

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>>16000022
>spoon feed me mommy
You can find one under 55k. Stay triggered.

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>>16000035
Post links to the ad faggot, unless you want us to believe that not only is a dealership selling the car for 7k under the price of literally every single online posting available but they are hiding it for special customers only who call by phone, because a business doesn't want to make money on a appreciating asset, get BTFO

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>>16000077
>spoon feed me mommy!!
You literally can't make this shit up

Stay btfo

>>16000022
O wait you said Zl1.

Okay because:
It's ugly and looks like a Corolla from the front.
It's probably slower on the track, considering how much slower than Z/28 was.
It'll overheat and never finish more than a lap even if you tried to compare it.
It doesn't sound as good.

>>16000077
>They advertise higher prices for retarded buyers like me, I don't understand please teach me how to buy a car for when someone one day gives a lot to my gofundme!!!

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>>16000098
>>16000086
BTFO

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Yet another thread gm fangirls get btfo in

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>>16000105
Yes, the corvette has been btfo.

Glad we're on the same page

>>16000007
Poor engineering

It's to be expected from gm

>>15999114
Stop being a fag and get the little blind spot mirrors for 5 bucks. They dont look as bad as you think and are super useful. I have em on my truck and on my e39 and on my wrangler

i test drove the new one

its pretty nice. doesnt really feel a whole lot faster than the '14 my buddy has and i have driven more than a few times, though i know it is on paper/proof

also, to those saying visibility is a dealbreaker, blind spots are really bad.

but

-but-

those little square second inset mirror you can stack on the 1st mirror works. they solve the problem. yeah it sucks you need them but honestly its a tiny, easy thing that can solve a dealbreaker.

>>15999762
You can buy a new vette right now for $46k

>>16000106
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/10/chevrolet-camaro-outsells-ford-mustang-in-september/

>>16000476
But that doesn't have 4 seats.

I'd also wait for the updated model that fixes the cooling problems. That's why they're selling so cheap.

>>15998842
do these sell in europe?

>>16000538
>heating problems on non supercharged vette
>kek

also they fixed cooling on z06 for 2017

>>16000389
>also, to those saying visibility is a dealbreaker, blind spots are really bad.

Is this really a problem for other people? Yes the B and C pillars are huge and obstruct your view however between the rearview and sideview mirrors, I don't have an issue with visibility. I will agree backing up out of a park spot is bad but if it's that much of an issue just get a rearview camera package.

>>16000514
>for once in 23 months
gmfangirl here....thats unacceptable

>>16000538
dude, you can't use the rear seats in the camaro. they're a joke. MAYBE a baby carseat in the rear passenger side 'cause the passenger seat will be all the way forward.

shit the front seat is kinda 'cozy'

>>16001098
Mostly boomers trying to relive their long faded and dated youth.

Camaro is the true master race

>>16001143
as a fangirl, saying I agree doesnt prove much but between MRC, the 8speed and the soon to be 10 DCT FUUUUCK.

the gt350/R are good, but theyre raw. people nowadays want comfy and power. camaro is the way to go.

How does a Nismo 370z compete?

>>16001225
So have we reached the point where it's better to buy auto over manual? How much faster is the auto?

>>16001235
>How does a Nismo 370z compete?

I like it a lot, but even I have to admit it's way over priced for what you get.

>>16001244
Uh it's been that way for a while.

The PDK in the Cayman is much faster than the manual. I would still get the manual most of the time.

>>16001274
It's just a plain shitty car.

>>16001244
im currently saving up to buy a chevy ss and im torn between a manual and auto. the manual would be more fun seeing as i could wring out power in any gear.

but the auto does the same thing but a little slower due to gearing. im might end up with the auto seeing as dealers know whats up and mark up the used ones.

>>16001235
get a cayman

>>16001279
dis

PDK and DCT are faster than manual any day

>>16001279
>I would still get the manual most of the time.

What other reasons

>>16001320
Because you buy a sportscar for fun, not objective stats.

If you simply bought them for objective stats, it'd be stupid to get anything other than a Koenigsegg One:1, 918, Aventador SV, GT-R Nismo, or Viper ACR. But other cars still have value in how fun they are, and a manual is more including in some of those cars.

Learning how to heel-toe downshift and pulling it off well, then pulling it off well consistently, is very rewarding and you'll never experience that driving the faster PDK/DCT transmissions that do shit for you.
It's the difference between fucking and watching others fuck.

>>15999352
>>15999358
WTF GM

>>16001294
>Chevy SS
I would get it in manual just for the resale value. Once those get discontinued the manual should hold its value pretty well (like the Pontiac G8)
No one will want one in automatic though

>>15998842
Since for the first time Ford is ceasing sales and production of the Mustang, and Camaro is getting better reviews, Camaro seems like a better option.

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>>16000545
Yes.

https://www.netcarshow.com/chevrolet/2016-camaro_eu-version/

>not-so-okay visibility
Have you even driven one or are you letting 4chan memes make major life purchasing decisions for you?

>>15999571
The convertible with the top up has some legitimate unavoidable visibility issues because of the inherently massive c-pillar and narrow back window of a folding top. Mustang convertible is the same.

Height of the windows is a non-issue unless you want to drive your sports car with the seating position of a bus or stare at the sky instead of the road. Belt line might seem high but you need to keep in mind how low the car is in general.

If you want to go fast cheap and see everything buy a motorcycle anyways.

>>15999760

Do you not pay attention? New z28's are going for $20,000 off MSRP

>>16004630
And new 2016 SS 1LE's can be had for $35 and change.

I bought a 2015 Z/28 last year for 50K brand new and couldnt be happier. Once I installed a backup cam, zero problems with parking. Visibility issues? Learn your car and adjust your mirrors.

>>16004649
>Visibility issues? Learn your car and adjust your mirrors.
as with any car, but when you get paid to write car reviews you gotta find something bad to say.

is the z28 you're daily. what's it like?

>>16004064
I hear you, and I also want to supercharge it to 680 at which point the auto starts to talk back. idk if I can find one for 35 OTD fuck it.

>>16003376
>>15999460
>>15999358
It's because they are built to share trunk parts with the convertible model. Rofl.