What car will kill learner drivers the quickest?

Dodge viper

mustang gt

Reliant Robin in traffic.

A soccer mom driving her minivan while texting

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>>15997248
Despite the memes, I don't think it's the MR2. They should handle well to begin with so you would have to push it hard to get out of control anyway.

The real answer is this >>15997303 or something like this >>15997265 A powerful RWD car with borderline track tires will fuck you up really quick if you don't push it just right.

>>15997248
Any skyline with a car full of dead shit mates

I would say a challenger hellcat as all the hp would spin out the wheels all the time for an inexperienced driver and overwhelm them quickly, just like the old vipers, but worse due to all the extra weight.

>>15997248
A car full of friends who haven't even got a learner permit yet

>>15997377
>what is traction control
>what are wide as fuck tires
>weight doesn't increase stability

>>15997319
MR2 is one of those things where you get snap oversteer once and never again. Unless the snap oversteer happens in bad situations.

Early 911 Turbo

>>15997391
this desu

>>15997466
This. It was reasonably infamous for killing inexperienced lawyers and doctors trying to go fast on the twisties, a fresh driver won't have a chance.

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>>15997466
While we're at it: Porsche 993 GT2, known as the "widowmaker".

>>15997497
I think you meant the RUF CTR Yellowbird, mate. That's the REAL widowmaker.

>>15997319
Fuck, you can hear the desperate screams of that miata. Poor thing

>>15997248
Anything really, just start an SMS conversation with them and wait a while

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>>15997507
they called the 935 4 speeds of death

Nissan GTR

All the new teen drivers would have friends telling them to hoon and are all fanboys and they're gonna wrap it around a pole

snek for sure
power to grip is so stupid high

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>>15997248
Any Koenigsegg really. There's a multiple vids of people not being able to control these cars when it comes to launching. Even funnier when you literally can't corner with it because of the trash aero and no spoilers while having massive engine power.

>>15997248
Some barely legal rasekar, preferably with lots of grip and serious turbo lag. Something that's really easy to drive really fast, until it hits its limit and everything goes sideways.

>>15997248
Mr2

>>15997823
>no spoilers
please look at the nearest calendar and tell me what date it says.

>>15997823
Why are you posting at all, when you don't know what you're talking about?

>>15997826

Turbolag is a bitch to get used to if you've never driven one.

>1k idle fine
>1.5k ok
>2k alright
>2.5k i thought this thing was supposed to be fast
>3k what's that sound?
>3.5k FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>15997692
>posting race cars

>>15997883
The hell is this? I didn't mean to post an image

>>15997454
Might buy an AW11, don't want to die just yet. How should you handle it?

Snap oversteer occurs when you overcorrect for lift-off oversteer, right?

Just don't correct too much when you encounter lift-off oversteer, and don't let off the accelerator midway through a turn?

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Really anything with high hp/rwd/lightweight, most people don't learn how to drive in a rwd car, and when they do it's not pushing 300+ hp.

>Be me
>16
>Only ever driven ~140hp fwd shit boxes
>Drive friend's 5.7 LS1 camaro with mods (cams, headers, exhaust) on a rainy day, with shit tires
>Used to flooring the gas just to get the car up to speed
>Just looking at that gas pedal the wrong way would send me sideways

>>15997319
>They should handle well to begin with so you would have to push it hard to get out of control anyway
Nope, you have to handle them well, if you hit the gas hard on a corner at low speed then you're in for a spin-out. Toyota had to change the suspension and tyre spec of later second gen MR2s so that they were more """user friendly""". MR-S is the way to go if you don't have experience with MR cars.

>>15997507
>my car is spoopier than your car

boys pls

>>15998521
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSMCfPASImQ

Go ahead and tell me this isn't fucking terrifying. The car is literally trying to kill its driver on every single corner.

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>>15997391
> Tfw my parents wouldn't let me drive in high school even though I was adamant
> Tfw never got to be Takumi
> Tfw I had to ride with my braindead autotragic friends who didn't know how brakes worked, didn't know which wheels drive the car, didn't know shit and would keep thinking they were smarter than me since "who's the one who has their license" even though I already knew how to fix cars
Basic stuff like belt changes and tire rotations and stuff but still
>mfw my friend finally shut the fuck up after the dumbass needed me to help him start his car
> mfw the same day some guy flashed his highs on us at night, and my friend freaked out and kept saying that guy was an asshole
>mfw I asked him if his lights were on
> mfw they weren't
> mfw he says "I can't even tell bro xD"

Fucking retards. I missed out on being dagumi.

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>no one has posted this yet

>>15998571
I drive an automatic, stop being a jerk

>>15998720
Kek.
That's no car.
That's a goddamn eldritch abomination.

>>15998738
[in a good way ofcourse m80]

>>15998510
true, but that is a pretty dumb thing to do.

ive heard it's alleviated quite a bit with modern tires

>>15998833
yeah basically any fast motorcycle

>>15997888
Caterham is always the answer

even when you dont want it to be

Sprung-over 40 series Land Cruiser on Intercos with no abs. I'd know, had that fucker up on two wheels.

>>15997248
A V8 muscle car. Specifically an 80s or 90s one, on cheap tires and with a car full of high school student.

>>15997248
s2000

>>15997844
>>15997853
>and like clockwork, the upset fanbois come out from hiding to post.

>>15999351
Koenigsegg Agera - spoiler
Koenigsegg One:1 - a Big spoiler
even the CC prototype had a spoiler.

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>>15999482
DAILY REMINDER THAT THIS IS A WING, NOT A SPOILER

>>15999536
>0 AoA
>wing
interesting

>>15997906
Don't let off the accelerator mid turn.

If you do, keep your front tires pointed to where you want to go and let the rear do what it will.

I did this in a parking lot in the rain after getting my aw11. You end up doing a really shitty drift. The goal with any drift is always to have your front tires pointing where you want to go because the rear tires have very little grip. Just get it in a parking lot and get it to snap oversteer so you know how to handle it.

>>15999456
How?

>>15999709
AIDS

>>15999713
epic. simply epic.

>>15997248

Probably this thing. Even with AWD it's all over the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faK1RCiTM6g

>>15999858
Nice toyota""""""""""""""""""""""tocoma"""""""""""""""""""""""

Early Viper or a Shelby Cobra (or a Cobra replica)

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>>15997497
I have an extremely wealthy friend that is a race car driver. His dad owns one of these. About 7 years ago we were all at his mansion in Lake Arrowhead and i got to ride in it as he drove "spiritedly" through the mountains.

Keep in mind me and said friend are both 16 years old. On one turn he came in way too hot and the rear broke loose. He completely lost control but the sticky tires managed to pull us back onto the road at the last second. Holy shit we came so close to flying off the mountain.

>that adrenaline rush tho

>>15999713
LOL

>>15997248
Em2.
Rsx.
Integra.
Cutlass.
Miata.
Rx8

>>15997391
Hey i deal with that multiple times every year. Only got a slight dent once drifting an fwd em2 into an old celica.

>>16000461
>fwd
>drifting

>>16000435
>>15997248
>people actually die in a pigfat car that weighs 3 tonnes and makes barely 200hp

try riding a 200kg bike that also makes 200hp you pussy bitches

>>16000480
Neither of those cars weigh three tonnes and the GT2 makes a lot more than 200hp

>it's a motorcyclist thinks he's a superhero episode

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>>15999713

>>15997248
Shelby Super Cobra

>>15997391
a car with a woman in it

>>15999290

Yup. During Spring/Fall there is basically a daily wreck post on the S2K fb pages lol. Kids coming from FWD shitboxes into cheap AP1s crashing left and right.

And my insurance keeps going up and up. Fuck.

anything is enough power to chirp in second and third.

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>>15999275
This

Especially since most aren't stock. It either preforms good and kills you, or something goes wrong

>>15997906
The MR2 is significantly worst than the Cayman/Boxster for snap oversteer despite nearly identical weight distributions. It's all the more embarrassing because the MR2 is far less powerful. The MR2 is just a poor example of a mid-engine car.

anything awd

>>15999858
That thing looks terrifying. Does it actually have anything in common with a Tacoma though?

From my observations

>Jeep wranglers
>SUV's
>Trucks
>Volkswagens

at my high school only people who drove these types of cars got into car crashes, and all of them were just flipping their car, or driving off the road, or spinning out.

>>15999713
you win this round, anon

t. miata owner

>>15999713
kek

>>15997248
Old Mustangs and old BMW 3 series

>>15997319
hold on how do track tires fuck you up

are you just talking about slicks in the wet, or do you mean big fat tires in the dry fucking you up, because i would have thought all that grip would help you control that power.

>>15999858

copy pasta from a google search

The Toyota Tacoma Pikes Peak can hit 60 MPH in 1.6 seconds thanks to a 1,000 HP 2.1-liter engine. But it's only geared to do 132 MPH.

The "truck" was built and driven by New Zealander Rod Millen (Rhys's dad) for the 1998 Pikes Peak Hillclimb. The vehicle has nothing in common with the Tacoma and is, in fact, built on a chrome-molly tubular space frame chassis covered in a carbon fiber body. Power is generated by a 2.1-liter, four-cylinder, turbocharged and intercooled engine pumping out something in the neighborhood of 1,000 HP. It can hit 125 MPH in 4.9 seconds. With this "truck" Millen won the Pikes Peak Unlimited class in both 1998 and 1999.


>1.6 second 0-60

>>15998845
ducatis aren't hard to ride

>>15997265
/thread

>>15998534
How is he not having a heart attack...

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>>15998534
well thats a lot of oversteer for sure. but i never saw it understeer.
some were known to understeer due to how light the front axle is.
get on the power, rear grips, shifts weight back=no steering

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>>16005583
kind of like this, but not nearly as much...

>>15997874
That sounds fun though

>>15999558
creates drag for directional stability at speed

>>16003522
Tires with a lot of grip tend to lose it suddenly when pushed to the limit

>>16005641
mind explaining how that works?

>>16000461

>only got a slight dent once understeering my ass off into an old celica

ftfy

>>15999713

>my sides are now calling houston

>>16006278

well, you have these tires, right? they grip a lot, right? then, they suddenly let the fuck go, and off you go into the divider and potentially to hell in a fireball.

in reverse.

while blasting cyndi lauper.

because you're a BITCH.

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Seen a couple of these in person wobble then 180 into bushes/curbs/other cars

>>15999713
ebin

>>16006324
i get that but what makes it more sudden than a regular tire?

>>16006278
Probably because their limit is so much higher, you feel like you have infinite grip and then as soon as you go over that limit, *SNAP*. And because their limit is so high, this won't happen at 50 like on a regular tire. It'll happen at 100 and things will suddenly go very very sideways.

>>15997248
Liter bike

>>16006351

To stop being a dickheaded troll and be perfectly honest, I'm not entirely sure. I'm sure there's some sort of reaction taking place (some sort of hydroplaning, for instance, we deal with it a lot in the aviation industry where I work).

I would imagine that because sport/track tires are have such a tremendous amount of grip, that there's no real telltale sign that they're about to break free before it just happens.

In a traditional commuter tire, you tend to hear groaning/squealing and such audio cues, and a definitive difference in handling characteristics before it lets go.

That's my experience, and .02, anyway.

>>15997692
>>15997705
those meme turboes on the back tho

>>16006351

I don't think I can explain it very well within one post so go read and get learned:

http://racingcardynamics.com/racing-tires-lateral-force/

I'll try to TL;DR though.

The answer is that "street" tires reach their grip friction peak at a higher angle of deflection (how hard you are turning & deforming the tire with cornering force) and "race" tires peak at a lower angle of deflection. So, while the race tires have a much higher level of grip friction, they peak & then start to lose their grip during a much less aggressive deflection maneuver than a street tire would.

>>16006415

Crappy troll here. Makes sense; especially given that the contact area decreases when the vehicle performs turns and other maneuvers that take the wheel out of a balanced, straight line.

The m/o/ar you know!

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>>16006351
You have more g-force before the tires let loose.
Imagine a skinny guy and a fat guy leaning against a post the breaks, skinny guys post breaks and he may just stumble a bit and fatso falls down real, fast...also his pants fall down and he cries while and you see his sailor moon dirty underwear.

>>16006534
F

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>>16006534

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Viper SRT-10.

Subaru Impreza WRX STi
destroys the lungs with constant vaping, and gives diabetes from all the energy drinks

>>16006703
thanks, you tried

>>16000597
This so much.
I do it in my mom's car occasionally. And its an old Hyundai Elantra [Autotragic].

My vote goes for any pre-Fiat Jeep in inclement weather. 4WD does not make you invincible, and these things roll easily.
t. Has rolled over 9000 times on the trails with a/m roll cages. Without them I probably wouldn't be posting.

>>15999713
10/10

>>16006805
Always lol when it snows here and I go out in my Yukon and see all these wannabe Jeep heroes either stuck or wrecked because they think they can go whatever speed they want with 4wd.

Big two stroke dirtbikes, especially older ones like husqvarna 500cc

>>16000479
It's possible if you rape the handbrake

>>16000480
6000 lbs

>>16006351
think of it like a rubber band.

A weaker rubber band will only hold so much force (stretch so far) before it snaps back

A stronger rubber band will hold more force (further stretch) before it snaps back, with more power

So to make race tires lose traction, you gotta be really fuckin slinging it, and if they lose traction, the slide is gonna be that much more dangerous than if you were in normie tires.

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This baby

>>15997466
Man that shit will legit kill you dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSMCfPASImQ

>>16006351
It's not really "more sudden", it's that you're going much, much faster when it actually does let go.

This is part of the reason why some people love the FRS/BRZ so much; on those skinny Prius tires made for economy and not grip, you can slide it at 25 mph. Thus, if you spin, you travel 10 yds instead of 2 miles before you come to a stop.

>>16008691
That's not a drift.
All drifting requires is oversteer. My maxima has oversteer, but I only drift for stability while flying down twisty hills. In FWD cars you can always align your wheels straight and accelerate out of a drift/oversteer/understeer situation as long as you have grip to the front wheels. They even do it automatically to an extent which is why they suck for drifting.

>>16008745
SPEEDWAY

>>15997248

My first car was a rev 1 MR2 SW20.

I made it, but only just.

>>15998720

That's because we've forgotten about that one.

>>15997248
Any car with high horsepower, RWD, no power steering, no stability control, no antilock brakes

>>16010218
>any 60-90's american muscle

>>16000541
And your car value does too.

>>16010218

This, bought a built 350 swapped turd gen and before I put proper tires on it you could floor it and lose traction over 50mph. Sold it to a kid who said it will be his first manual + rwd. Just hope he doesn't wrap it around a tree.

>>16010259
firebirds have abs and some have traction ctrl

>>16004458
i dont see how that makes any difference
it's still an incredibly fast machine that's very very easy to get in over your head on.

one wrong move and you're off your bike or under a car

>>15997823
>>15999351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SywqgH7n-5g&t=1m10s
> can't corner

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>>15999558
hard to tell from the back
>>15997823
> trash aero

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>>16006534

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>>15997248

>>15999456
Nah, when you lose a Miata you can get it back. My mom's 02 civic on the other hand, lose it it's gone. Nearly stuffed it into the inside wall on turn 11 at Laguna Seca. Spun it one other time too. Never completely lost it on my Miata.

>>16006805
Friend of my brother in law had his head splattered between the rollbar and the ground when he was offroading his jeep. Be careful anon

Dodge Vipers or Ruf Yellowbirds

those will fuck up even a racecar driver.

The TVR Speed 12 and the Noble M600 are good examples too.

>>16014501

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSMCfPASImQ

>>16006351
It has to do with how tires work, and tread blocks.

Lets talk tires.

First tire compound. People talk about summer tires winter tires etc. It's just a simpleton way to understand what tires you need.

In reality, different temperatures, affect different compounds of tires differently. Winter tires, are designed to be soft and supple in cold weather. All seasons, in semi cold to warm, and summer tires moderate to hot.

Winter tires will grease in hot heat, and you will lose traction. Hot tires will be too hard in cold weather.

Tread design is very complex, but it's designed to be a point that channels water away, and help increase traction on the tread blocks.

Tire width doesn't necessarily increase traction. It just increases the chance that you will gain traction. If you are on a road, and your car puts out X torque, The tire width just increase the chance of find a traction point that can hold X torque.

Going back to this >>16006415
He's right. Think of what happens on a car with multiple tread patches vs one.

On a car with multiple tread patches, and you're cornering, You'll have traction of the outer tread patch, Then it slips, then it goes to the next inner tread patch, then that slips and goes to the next one. On slicks, when this slipping, and angle deflection happens, there's not multiple tread patches to play backup. once it's gone it's gone, but the grip is phenomenal up to that point.

It's why many performance cars use low profile tires. The less sidewall, the less the tire can create an angle of deflection .

The car vin diesel drove at the end

>>16011415
you want a hard bike get some thing like a rz350

>>15998534
lol, reminds me of trying to push my 69 mustang fastback hard. High strung american iron says YES! old shitty suspension that should have been built BEFORE I worked over the motor says NOOOOOOO!!!! Great for skids and burnouts though.

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Apparently my car is very good at killing their own drivers.

>>16016721
It's hard to drive when you can't see anything

>>15998720

>TVR Speed 12

FUUUUUG

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>>16000480

My friend did, up until he flipped off a mustang driver and the driver side swiped him into a ditch breaking several bones.

I hope the same happens to every bikey boy.

>>16006338

>not being able to drive a car with very good balance, handling, and power to suit its potential

Cars don't make great drivers, practice and patience makes great drivers.

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>>15997248
>rear swing axle
Here's a long but good read about this thing http://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/chevrolet-corvair-history/

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>>16014604
tfw that was actually really informative and helpful
cheers anon!

>>16017292
I have the Naderdized version and it is pretty good, probably going to SBC or rotary swap it. RR, air-cooled, and turbocharged. Handles pretty well and is rather light for a 60's American car.

>>16006324
I threw my first car off a cliff and split the front end on a tree on the way down.

While listening to Janet Jackson's If.

Because I was A RALLY DRIVER.

>>16016917
To be fair S2k's are prone to snap oversteer. If you don't have good reflexes and know how to correct it you gonna spin son

>be me
>350 SBC crammed into ranger
>no power steering
>mechanical everything

I refuse to let anybody but the guy who helped me build it drive this thing. It's basically just asking for it.