What's the consensus here on the s2000?

Miata on steroids.

>>15973870
Good car, buy one while you can still get a clean example at a reasonable price.

what the brz should have been

>>15973875
not really on steroids , more like cocacola different but almost same as pepsi

>>15973882
>reasonable price.

lel

I can't decide whethed I prefer the AP1 or AP2.

>AP1
>screaming redline of almost 9000, but feels like a base model Fit until you cross 4000
>AP2
>better power band and torque, not as much personality

My dad sold his S2K for an automatic Z4. I have no idea what he was thinking, the Z4 is such a boring car in comparison.

>>15973905
I'll help you: you want an AP1

>>15973905

Retard here.

How do you know which model it is?

>>15973870
pretty good car, its like a non-shit miata.

>>15973889
No. This is wrong.

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>>15973882
>reasonable price

haidresser car like mx5 but more expensive for no reason.

It's like a Miata, but better

Its like a miata but not a fag car

>>15974671
Yeah okay, the s2kis more of a faggot car than the miata. In fact, more closeted homosexuals and girls drive s2k than miatas. That's because the miata is a true track car, while your s2k is a shitty wannabe

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S2K owner here, 2008 with 35,000 miles, anything you wanna know? I love the car.

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>>15975381

Would you fuck a miata owner in her boipussi?

>>15973870
A great car really, its a Miata but faster and not as gay. Also 9000 redline.

>>15973882
>reasonable price

It hasn't been reasonable in a long time. I love the s2k, it's a great car, but extremely overvalued. As in, Jeep Wrangler overvalued.

>>15975277
Found the closeted Miata driver

>>15973920
I think the easiest way to tell would be that the AP1 has a plastic back window and the AP2 has a glass back window.

The other way to tell is obviously the year of the car, AP1 = 1999 to 2003, AP2 = 2004 to 2009

Here's a very in-depth comparison between the two cars:
http://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-s2000-5/official-ap1-vs-ap2-comparison-2173176/

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>>15973920
google is your friend but ill help you out since you are a retard

AP1 - 1999–2003
AP2 - 2004–2009

http://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-s2000-5/official-ap1-vs-ap2-comparison-2173176/

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i just don't see how you could justif buying one given how cheap first and second gen miatas are

>>15975589
Think S2K are for people who can afford to go fast and turn at the same time.

>>15975625
maybe in a straight line but once you get to the twisties it's a different story

>>15975277
The miata is way gayer

https://youtu.be/0C-rooHLX3g

>>15975660
You do understand the S2000 is beyond a miata there as well right? It also has double-wishbone suspension and a shorter wheelbase, it's much more rigid, and it has more power.

>check craigslist
>250k miles
>$13,000
That's about right, and why I don't like them.

>>15973875
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>>15974671
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>>15975714
Y'all muthafuckas are in the wrong thread

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>>15975714
The s2000 has a longer wheelbase than every single miata and it's quite a bit heavier as well.

>>15975516
By now most ap1s I know personally have the ap2 top because the plastic window cracks after a couple years in the sun

>>15977505
Sorry I meant shorter as in "its a shorter car compared to most cars" and the weight is the tradeoff of the bracing.

>>15977505
The s2000 has a better chassis and power unit

Literally watch any hot version or best motoring battle, they put the S2000 above a Miata any day of the week in performance

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>>15977585
I wasn't trying to imply a miata is faster, just pointing out a correction, and at least one thing the miata has over the s2k.

>>15977598
Okay but most of the time Miatafags come out of the wood work and talk shit about the S2000

>>15973870
>current prices

Not worth the money- PERIOD

For "hardcore I want it" ONLY

>>15977625
????
A good condition one is around 15k
What are you smoking?
Should a good condition one be 7k? It's supply and demand, they are well sought out for so the prices match the demand

You are buying one of the best sports car ever made and you don't expect to pay for one?

>>15977585
ND is faster than the s2000

>>15977680
15 years newer too, took them 15 years to catch up

>>15977694
They were never and still aren't a competitor though.

>>15977694
Huur a s2000 is newer than an na too what's your point

Face it, if the s2gay was any good it'd have an international spec series bigger than any other in the world... but it doesn't

>>15977713
Wait so your saying the s2000 was never a competitor?

>>15977666
>A good condition one is around 15k
>15k

My point still stands

>>15977717
It wasn't being compared to an NA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LyhqDdno5MY

>>15977725
What should it be then poorfag?
Whole lotta sour grapes coming off of you

>>15977717
The S2000 raced in major leagues, not little league

Ever watch Super Taikyu or any other real race?

>>15975516
02-03 AP1 had factory glass windows

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>>15973882
>reasonable price

>>15977767
wtf is a reasonable price?

shitbox miata prices?

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>>15977717
Miatas have an international spec series because they are cheap as fuck, made in massive numbers, and are literal throwaway cars... past miata owner here not talking shit on the car but you're an idiot.

>>15977721
The miata and s2000 never competed

>>15977777
A reasonable price is not $17-20,000aud for a 1999 model car with 200,000kms.

>>15977839
its not that price here in america
ONLY 1818 WERE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA YOU FUCKING SHITTER
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000#Sales_and_production
go fuck yourself and your shitty island you fucking retard

>>15977955
>that little sold in australia
I guess there's no market for them when proper Japanese sports car were available

>>15973892
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>>15977767
>while you can
They're not going to get any cheaper, especially with how many end up modified or wrecked. Prices today are reasonable for the kind of car it is, but it's not going to stay that way forever.

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>>15978063
australian """""""""""""""""car culture""""""""""""""""""

Overpriced piece of shit.

>>15978130
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>>15977780

Lol Miatas are like the Zakus II of the car world.

Cheap, and cheerful, plentiful, tons of spare parts, not very powerful but it gets the job done.

People modify them like the do Zakus with High Mobility types.

The S2000 is a full blown Gundam. Designed from the ground up as a convertible with X chassis bracing underneath, engine already highstrung and with forged pistons already in from the factory.

>>15978136
I've owned more cars in my life than you. The S2000 is both overrated and honestly no better than a Miata. Only thing youre getting with the S2000 is paying 3x more with a smaller aftermarket.

If I was looking to drop near 30k for what AP2s are going for right now in my area id get a Z4M

>>15973875
Yep, thereby making the S2000 slower, heavier, and less attractive.

>>15973870
Fun engine, higher budget version of a miata. More power, different weak/strong points in terms of dynamics. Not a bad car at all but the cheap ones are usually not worth buying so you kind of need to buy a nicer one. Likely to walk a boxer of the same price-range however if you have Elise's in your area in the same price range, they provide a more pure performance oriented drive. Of course if you just want to out a big exhaust and huge camber on it and roll down the strip, the parts exist in the s2000 world to do that fairly painlessly.

>>15977694
Closer in price to a used ND than any other generation, considering a great example NA/B/C costs under 7K.

You'd have to be an idiot to buy an s2K, unless you can't afford an ND for 20K or just really want to spend an extra 8K over an NC for a car that is not worth two NCs.

And even if you are stuck in the 10-15K bracket the Boxster and z4 exist.

>>15978197
>I've owned more cars than you
Why don't we just cut to the chase and talk about how your dad could beat up his dad.

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>>15979645
except that miata is literally a fag car

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Too fun

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>>15978192
>at least it wasnt a food analogy

holy shit, this car gets compared to a miata a lot despite the vast difference in both initial price and how much they cost now

when compared stock the choice is obvious but that's a bit unfair
for the price of s2k in a good condition you could get a k20 miata, and honestly that's a much tougher choice

>>15980648
>honestly that's a much tougher choice
It's really not. There's no way in which a K Miata is inferior to an S2000 in similar condition.

>>15978192
>Designed from the ground up as a convertible with X chassis bracing underneath
Can we stop with the X-bone meme please? An X is the worst shape for torsional rigidity, and the S2000 is on par with the NB in stiffness. The NC and ND blow it away in chassis rigidity.

>>15978075
>Slower than an ND MX-5
>It's totally reasonable that a 15 year old one in good condition can cost almost as much as a new MX-5 guys!!!

>>15980693
>how to spew shit out of your ass the post
there are videos online of nc miatas auto crossing and you can see the door line deforming under cornering.
you don't get that with the s2gay. at all.

Jesus Christ guys! There's so much shit in this thread. They're honestly a pretty good car (not hugely mind blowing but quite and the engine is fantastic) but they're overpriced for what they are. This is really all there is to say on the matter. Good cars, but the market pays too much for their rarity I assume.

*quite good

>>15980998
If you bothered to Google "S2000 torsional rigidity" you would see that the NC Miata is objectively nearly 25% stiffer than the S2000 (8800 Nm/degree vs 7100 Nm/degree).

>>15981019
>overpriced for what they are
Nigger what is this fucking bullshit people keep talking about
It's a fair price for a car in good condition

>>15981019
> Good cars, but the market pays too much for their rarity I assume.
That's exactly what everyone is saying.

It's worth maybe $6000-$9000 but they go for like $15,000-$25,000.

They are overvalued. They are not worth that value. They are not THAT rare. There's like FOUR TIMES as many S2000s as FD RX-7s. Over 50,000 S2000s were sold in the US. That's not rare. There's almost as many S2000s as there are FR-S. Fuck off with that rarity bullshit.

It's a rice tax, pure and simple. A HUGE rice tax.

For the price of a clean, special edition S2000, you can get a decent NSX. That's just retarded.
An NSX is legitimately rare, and a special car, and worth it. And S2000 is not. An S2000 is a worse MX-5 that simply has a sharper factory tune and a classier look. That's it.

>>15982976
An NSX is 60k euro atleast where i live and those are the "bad" ones.

The S2000's most direct competitor/rival was the 350Z. It was a step above a Miata, a step below a Boxster.

>>15983075
Oh. In the US I swear I used to see them for $25k-$35k 10 years ago when I bought my FD.

It looks like they're all 40k-70k now.
Either they went up, or I'm imagining shit.

>>15975381
Why don't you drive it if you love it? I just hit 210k miles on mine.

why would you spend this amount of money for an s2k when you can get a miata for dirt cheap? I personally would never spend this much money for some meme 2 seat cuck car.

>>15983502
The ONLY reason is pretty much that an ND will deprecate, while the s2000 will hold its value if you maintain it(though that cost to own is much higher).

But if you actually want a superior car that you can tune to be much, much better still, the ND is the clear choice. Or the NC for less money which has already depreciated plenty.

The same reasoning went into me getting an FD, though the cost to own is fairly high and as high as the depreciation would have been on getting a car that's just a fear years old instead of 12 years old at the time. But the S2000 isn't an FD. It isn't rare.

I feel like people are eventually going to realize the S2000 value is way inflated and their value will drop. It doesn't have the security of ACTUALLY being rare like the FD. There's around 10,000 FDs in the USA. There's over 50,0000 S2000s. It's both not rare, and not that special of a car. It's literally just an imaginary rice tax.

So if you buy an S2000 because you think it'll hold its value, good luck that people won't wise up and their value won't crash, because it can absolutely happen.
If I look on Autotrader, I see 373 listings for S2000s. 36 for FDs. Do the math.

>ITT People who have never driven an S2000
>Trusting anyone on this board to not be biased autists

>>15983622
I have driven one. I also drove an FD, and it was an easy decision from there.
And my group of car friends has a highly modified S2000 with a cage, ITBs, exhaust, etc. Everyone agrees my lightly modified FD is so much better and he's cucked hard.

Obviously the FD isn't a roadster, but I don't see why anyone would waste so much money on an S2000 that's not worth it. The ND is just a better engineered car with way more tuning potential, and the NC is so much cheaper so you actually have money left over to make it fast if the S2000 is your budget.

>>15983622
I can understand why someone would want a Silvia, 944, FB, FC, FD, R32, R34, E30, E36 E46, ACR, C4, Stingray, Z06, TVR, Exige, Espirit, Caterham, lots of cars.
I just can't understand why why someone would want an S2000 unless it was in like perfect condition for $10k, not trash condition for $15k.

The car is not that special. You can tune a k20 to rev like that, or lots of other engines. The digital dash seems like an afterthought and isn't a part of the car's soul like lots of early 80s and early 90s cars.

>>15983754
>The digital dash seems like an afterthought and isn't a part of the car's soul like lots of early 80s and early 90s cars.
that doesn't even make sense

>it was in like perfect condition for $10k, not trash condition for $15k.
Where the fuck do you live? Its 7-10k for shit/worst examples or 15-20k for good decent cars

>>15983199
they went up, the cheapest prices doubled

>>15983602
this only goes for the US, s2ks are pretty cheap in europe

>>15983778
This
Everyone else must live in shit areas because good condition S2Ks in my area and by good I mean
>50k miles
>1 owner
>All maintenance documentation
are going for 15k MAYBE 20k at the most for under 50k miles.

>>15983754
>Digital dash seems like an afterthought
Uh what?

>>15983695
How is the ND better engineered? Legitimately curious.

>>15983789
Oh. Makes sense. It's an actual rare car, and a good car. There's only a few thousand of them.

There's still nearly just as many NSX for sale as FDs on Autotrader, though. Rofl.

>>15983832
How much is an NC compared to S2000 in Europe?

>>15983865
Go check under the hood, under the car, and at the suspension yourself?
It should be very clear, even if you don't know shit about cars.

>>15983902
That doesn't explain how it's better engineered.
So the engine bay looks nice, the bottom of the car looks nice, and the suspension looks nice.
>Must be better engineered

>>15983902
>How much is an NC compared to S2000 in Europe?
not sure about the rest of europe but here NCs start at £3.5k for a '06 in decent condition and go up to £16k for a mint '14

S2000s start at around £5k for an older high mileage one and interestingly also top out at around £16-17k (30-40k miles, '08-'09 models)

you're trading off low miles / newer car for more power basically.

>>15983695
>The ND is just a better engineered car with way more tuning potential
i keep hearing the ND isn't that tunable

>>15983978
>i keep hearing the ND isn't that tunable
The engine? Yeah, not really. You can bump it to 200-215 horsepower at the crank.

But there's more to tuning a car than just the engine. And it's a great platform for swaps.

>>15983978
See, those prices are perfectly reasonable compared to what an NC goes for.

In the USA it's bonkers. The ricer tax is huge and simply not worth it at all. They're new ND money for an inferior, used car.

Crappy examples are $15k and a good one is $22k-30k, or like $12k for one that's completely busted.

>>15984126
wtf? I thought NCs arent even considered good

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>>15982976
>For the price of a clean, special edition S2000, you can get a decent NSX
Not anymore, NSX prices have shot through the roof. You're right that there are too many S2000s for them to go up in price by the same amount, but you're a fool if you think they're overvalued. Clean ones are only going to get more expensive.
>>15983602
>good luck that people won't wise up and their value won't crash
Prices have been going up, not down.

>>15983754
>I just can't understand why why someone would want an S2000
Did it ever dawn on you that maybe you're the one that's wrong, and not everyone else? That there is so much demand and appreciation for the car means a lot of people must like it. People are buying them at the prices they sell for, so it's obviously worth that much to plenty of other guys out there. If there's anything that's difficult to understand, it's why you feel the need to autistically spam the thread with your dislike for the car.

>>15984198
There's a reason why there are 600 S2000s listed in the USA.

People want to get rid of them now that they're overvalued.

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>>15984228
>600
>>15983602
>If I look on Autotrader, I see 373 listings for S2000s

>>15975525
>that image
Anon this is a blue board!!!