it begins

BMW-
Ban My Whip

1) old ICEs will be grandfathered in, a handful of enthusiasts still using antiques dont contribute shit to climate change compared to shit like container ships, coal power plants, and airlines. No one with a brain will argue for them to be fully banned.
2) electric sports cars and bikes are fucking cool, embrace the future

>>15964843
>2) electric sports cars and bikes are fucking cool, embrace the future
Fuck off
A car with no engine sound is not a car, it's a glorified shopping cart
and don't give me any of that "b-but you can fake sounds through speakers" shit

>>15964816
>no new combustion engine cars
In other words, current ICE are grandfathered. That said, why are you people so enamored with ancient, obsolete, unreliable, overly complex technology? Electric motors are leaps and bounds ahead of ICE in economy, torque, and packaging, and batteries are still improving leaps and bounds versus ICE which has long reached the point of diminishing returns.

>>15964851
>M-muh sound

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>>15964843
>>15964852
Not sure if samefag but I want muskfags to leave.

>>15964862
>"muh" memeshit
back to the Tesla subreddit/facepunch, EV cunt

/o/bsolete technology

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>>15964851
>m-m-muh sound

wow so you have to give up one thing for a machine superior in every other way? Some of us will actual appreciate lower maintenance, lower running costs, better performance, more fun. I'll try not to laugh too hard when I smoke your crusty steam po- I mean gasoline powered ass.

>>15964873
>>15964864
Or what? You'll cry? Throw a No True Scotsman at me?

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>>15964878
>better performance
>he actually believes this
>muh 0-60

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>>15964886
lower center of gravity which is essential in better turning ability too, kid.

>>15964893
Doesn't make up for the pigfat weight of the batteries

>>15964843
>>15964852
>>15964862
>>15964877
>>15964878
>>15964882
>>15964893
Where are these faggots coming from? Jesus christ this board just gets filled with more and more pure cuckery every single day.

>>15964886
So what does ICE have going for it? Other than keeping mechanics employed.
>>15964898
As energy density improves (again, happening in leaps and bounds), lighter batteries can be used.

>>15964905

>As energy density improves (again, happening in leaps and bounds), lighter batteries can be used.

hahahahahaha

>>15964904
Some people actually support progress. ICEs are literally inferior in every single way, they're obsolete technology and should be phased out.

>>15964905
>So what does ICE have going for it? Other than keeping mechanics employed
>lighter
>makes sound
>has gears
>more fun
>cheaper
>easy to work on
>easy to maintain
>easy to modify

Meanwhile let's look at the advantages of ICE
>more energy efficient at lower speeds
>torque
>makes hippies feel funny in the pants
hmmm

>>15964913
>Some people actually support progress.
Just like the refugees, right

>>15964898
Hardly. The Tesla S is 1950kg, compared to other full size sedans like the bmw 7 series which is 1800kg it's not that much heavier. As the technology improves, and it is at a much faster rate than ICEs because of how much younger the technology is, batteries will get smaller.

>>15964921
>using "muh feels" as an argument
I'd argue against you, but you're right

>>15964904
>cuck cuck cuck cuck

tell me how I am a cuck for having a faster, cheaper, superior car? The only cuck is you, filling up at the pump, while I charge my car at home for almost free.

>>15964904
So you do have anything to say for your precious ICE, other than baseless insults and hurt feefees? Or are you implicitly agreeing that it's an inferior technology?

>>15964924

The 7 series has actual luxury in it. If it was Tesla S tier it would be even "lighter"

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>>15964924
Ever notice how with EVcucks it's always "b-but the technology WILL get cheaper, it WILL get lighter, it WILL get better, w-we just haven't gotten there yet!" like we're in the middle of the industrial revolution

>>15964931
>>15964932
When did we let the board get filled with this many morons? I thought /n/ was supposed to be a containment board for the "green" people, apparently it doesn't work.

>>15964932
>>15964921

As soon as I start seeing teslas in my town, I'm slashing those tires. No questions asked.

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>>15964938
>completely ignoring the fact that electric cars have made huge jumps in the past decade
>completely ignoring the fact that all the big motor companies have stated they're the future and they're investing R&D into them

we are in a revolution, loser. Electric cars are already good today. ICE has hit a ceiling. It had a good run. You'll give it up sooner or later.

>>15964944
Are you actually opposed to electric cars because they're for """"green""" people only, and you're just going to ignore all the other benefits?

>>15964950
Wow, a bunch of subjective bullshit. I am thoroughly convinced.

>>15964956
>completely ignoring the fact that electric cars have made huge jumps in the past decade
Exactly, it's pretty much hit the point where the improvements from now on will be negligible.

>>15964921
>>lighter
For now. This will not be a problem in the future, as the only heavy thing about electric cars are the batteries.

>>makes sound
Great argument. Not everyone enjoys your loud shitbox.

>>has gears
Because its powerband is narrow as shit. This also adds weight, which ruins your "lightness" argument.

>>more fun
Subjective, therefore not an argument. Some people enjoy instant torque.

>>cheaper
Initial purchase maybe. You can charge an electric car for next to nothing, while you get jewed at the pump every day with your ICE.

>>easy to work on
You mean to tell me something as complicated as an internal combustion engine or gearbox is easier to work on than an electric motor?

>>easy to maintain
Oil changes, filter changes, replacing wear parts, engine/transmission rebuilds... An electric car has less wear parts and doesn't need oil changes every 10k.

>>easy to modify
As easy as turning up the voltage in the software?

Face it, ICEs are inferior. Get with the times, grandpa.

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>>15964959
>lighter
>subjective
>cheaper
>subjective
>easy to work on
>subjective
>easy to maintain
>subjective
>easy to modify
>subjective

>>15964963
meme reply/10

>>15964979
>I got BTFO so I'll just call his reply a meme
That's all I'm getting here.

>>15964913
You're right. But you'd have to be a robot to not be distraught at the thought of the extinction of what is basically art.

I'll never drive a Jaguar E-type, 240z, gt40, 2000gt, McClaren F1 or any other automobile that shaped my childhood and filled it with awe.

You're on /o/ so I know you care.
It'll be a sad day when my children won't know the joy of the sound smell and feel of a car that moves by the power of exploding dead dinosaurs.

I hope that their dreams of a whooshing of an electric motor are as heart warming as my dreams of screaming v12s and rumbling v8s.

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>>15964963
>>>lighter
>For now. This will not be a problem in the future, as the only heavy thing about electric cars are the batteries.
>m-muh future
uh huh, sure

>>>has gears
>Because its powerband is narrow as shit. This also adds weight, which ruins your "lightness" argument.
No, you're just retarded, the point is that even with the ICE engine and the gearbox it's still lighter than batteries

>>15964987
That's beacuse you're retarded, if there was actually something inside your skull you'd realize that in your entire post you didn't actually say anything, you just parroted shit you read on some forum

>>15964816
>let's close all our nuclear power plants
>have to burn more coal to make up for the power loss
>now wants to increase electricity demand
fucking morons

>>15964963
>Initial purchase maybe. You can charge an electric car for next to nothing, while you get jewed at the pump every day with your ICE.
Becoming less and less of a case, look at the Model 3 that is quickly reaching midrange sedan territory. You can also buy small electric hatchbacks for small hatchback prices.
>>15964969
>easy to work on
>easy to maintain
>easy to modify
All three are admissions of inferiority. Electric motors don't need to be worked on. They only have a bearing on the output that could be considered wear and tear, and a good quality one will last for the life of the motor (which is far greater of that of an ICE, it can run nonstop for decades). Batteries now self-isolate so they essentially self maintain. You don't need to change any kind of fluid or replace parts like serpentine belts, timing belts/chains, alternators, starters, spark plugs, oil, etc because they don't use it. They don't need it. And again, weight is something that they are rapidly shedding.

How often do you even modify your car? Which kinds? I can assure you they are superfluous on an electric car. Why a turbo? Just increase voltage. Modify the controller or use an open source one. You only need to change lines of code vs the labor and downtime of installing engine mods.

>>15964996
Still not hearing an argument as to why ICEs are superior.

>>15965015
>Still not hearing an argument as to why ICEs are superior.
I can't hear shit either when I put my fingers in them and go "la la la" so that's not surprising

>>15964997

B-but I can't see the emissions from an EV so they must not exist!!!

Fucking Germans are retarded. Did we like, secretly nuke them or something?

>>15964816
>MY UNCLE HAS EIN DEUTSCHES PLATZ
>WHERE NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT
>HE SAYS IT USED TO BE A CAMP
>BEFORE THE MoTOR LAW

>>15965019
>I can't hear shit either when I put my fingers in them and go "la la la" so that's not surprising
So that's what you've been doing all this time.

>>15965020
Environmentalists often doing more harm than good is hardly exclusive to one country

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>>15965034
Are you an actual aspie?

>>15964931
>charge my car at home for almost free
ok i couldn't contain my laughter anymore
good luck with skyrocketing electric bills

>>15965047
Are you? You must be literally autistic if you can't see that ICEs are inferior in every way.

>>15964843
>electric sports cars and bikes are fucking cool, embrace the future
No they're shit, especially bikes

>>15965061
And you're going to tell me that this isn't a meme reply?

>>15965067
You can't accept change, that's a sign of autism.

>>15964905
>So what does ICE have going for it? Other than keeping mechanics employed.
Lighter, long life, longer driving distances, tunability, etc.

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>>15964956
>ICE has hit a ceiling
>he isn't clued in on things like the hot vapor engine
>doesn't realize our approach to internal combustion hasn't fundamentally changed since we first started using them

There's more than one way to skin this particular cat.

>>15965086
It's okay, you can tune your ICE too, you just need some "special equipment" and "special knowledge"

>>15965086

At this time, it's a valid point, but don't you think that EVs are going to take over those same characteristics in the near future?

>>15965092
>hot vapor engine
A google search shows only a single mention, from Hot Rod Magazine, in an article written in 2010.

>>15965104
There we go again with the "future" shit

Remember when we were supposed to have flying cars in 2010?

>>15965020
that's my concern with this. The manufacturing process for batteries is hugely costly, in both energy, materials and pollution. I think batteries need a fundimental revolution in tech to be practical at this scale.

This whole thing just reeks of politicians working for brownie points, without really understanding the consequences of what they're asking for.

Makes me wonder how they define "combustion engine" and "zero emissions" too. It's a pretty complicated topic, and how they define it would be pretty telling of their understanding of it.

For example, do they mean internal combustion, or just any combustion at all? Because if it's the latter, just ban heat engines and save the trouble of defining exactly what engines you're banning, and creating some poor legislation. But only someone who'd know what they're talking about would know to say it like that

>>15965133
What an apples to oranges comparison there. Please, tell me, how are they the same other than being futuristic?

>>15965128
And?

I think Hydrogen will replace Gasoline/Petrol.
But I don't think EV will replace ICE.
We've been down the EV road before, it becomes a boutique or niche thing. EVs will never see the distances, reliability, or environmental friendliness an ICE can achieve.

>>15965142
Visions for the future are always optimistic. You're not gonna get any drastic improvements in battery technology. From now on the improvements will be slow, they already are.

>>15965142
>projected improvement over a given existing technology based on our current rate of advancement that turned out to not be feasible or practical as our technological scope became more focused

>>15965140
>I think batteries need a fundimental revolution in tech to be practical at this scale.
How about economies of scale? We make a huge amount, offload a good portion onto the Sun itself by producing them in a desert, in a massive factory. A huge one. A Gigafactory, if we were to give it a name.
>>15965149
Where's the development? Where's the scientific journals outlying the advancement? There's only one mention, and it's about "where is it now" type of thing, nothing on modern developments.

>>15965150
>never
>never
>never

the earth is flat
man will never fly
we'll never go to space

strong word there.
EV's will take over, its a matter of when not if.

>>15965057
which is a fraction of the gas cost.

>>15965162
>A Gigafactory, if we were to give it a name.
Muskfags are fucking disgusting, please kill yourself

>>15965006
Holy shit you're stupid.

>>15965162
Are you actually Morgen?

>>15965156
>>15965157
From August. Twice as good, longer lasting.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160826092729.htm
Flying cars can't be compared to this. You can hardly trust a human on the ground, let alone in the sky. Flying can also be quite inefficient. And most importantly, flying and batteries are not similar in any way whatsoever.

>>15965175
You do know that you'll be getting a second meter in the future to include road tax right?
You do know that energy prices are only rising right?
You do know that "green" energy cannot ever possibly make up a significant portion of our energy consumption right?

>>15965178
Sure got him

>>15965178
Can you please get some Bengay then come back to me with an actual argument?

>>15965197
>You can hardly trust a human on the ground, let alone in the sky.
Doesn't surprise me that an EVcuck is also an advocate for automated driving
please kill yourself

>twice as good
Not gonna happen, too optimistic

>>15965199
[citation needed]

>>15965209
>Not gonna happen, too optimistic
Oh, and can you explain why?

>>15965199
I'm not saying its green or that energy pricing aren't rising but it will always still be cheaper than gas. I'm not making any other points, just saying ''lol enjoy your electric bill'' doesn't really matter.

>>15965221
Because that's the bullshit tech companies always try to feed us and yet things always end up being the exact same ass

>>15965162
Caught up in copyrights and patents, also explored during a time when most oem manufacturers were going to an electronic fuel injection of some type. More research in a similar vein would be found searching for "adiabatic" engines- Because a doctorate in aeronautical engineering and director at Embry-Riddle isn't good enough for you.

>>15965226
What tech company?

Electric cars sound great, my wife and her son can enjoy her gender theory classes while I buy organic food for the weekly vegan party.

>>15965238
And now it's been left behind. And it's not like if there's any doctorates working on batteries either.

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>>15965162
>Gigafactory

Gonna be completed right alongside the hyperloop, no doubt.

>>15965242
That's self-driving cars.

>>15965224
When government catches up, it always does when there's money to be made, there's going to be no difference by design.
Just like how the government waits for gas prices to fall to increase taxes on it, they're aiming to squeeze the most out of you with the least fit thrown.

>>15965251
It's all the same shit

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>climate-warming

Fucking women i swear.

>>15965247
Left behind in the same capacity as any technology is, like the electric car.

>>15965248
Except the Gigafactory is already getting built.

>>15965006
>Just increase the voltage.
I spotted the retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIyew9bqfAY

Sounds pretty fucking sci-fi to me. I assume car manufacturers can tune it to sound even better.

>>15965264
Nevermind the hurricanes and droughts, it's all good.

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>>15965274
So is the hyperloop! What a future we live in, God is great :^)

I'd like to weigh into this with a few critical facts that are often left out of the discussion by politicians. Those interested in alternative energies, will always use buzzwords and scary ultimatums for the normies in an attempt to sway public opinion from one known to another idea entirely.

The electric car, like wind energy, is a meme technology designed exclusively to suck as many taxbux away from the general public as possible. Wind energy, over the lifetime of a respective wind farm, has extremely high manufacturing and maintenance costs for 15-20% efficiency. Wind is not constant; therefore it is variable and intermittent. Because it is variable and intermittent, the electricity (voltage) generated, has to be within a certain small window to be safe to dump into the existing electrical grid for consumption and distribution else expensive equipment is ruined.

The electric car plugs into an outlet, but where does the power come from? If you're in the U.S. it will primarily be from coal or hydro; Europe would be nuclear or hydro. Coal in and of itself consumes tons of resources due to extraction from the earth, transportation/distribution and the building/maintenance of the facilities. Same with dams...same with nuclear (but nuclear is my favorite). These respective energy technologies just get you the juice at the outlet, but the real meme lies in the actual electric car.

The biggest crux and oxymoron are the batteries. They do not grow on trees. The raw materials required to make a rechargeable car battery absolutely fuck the environment. The energy density is already approaching that of combustion engines. When the Prius was launched, it consumed more energy to produce than a Hummer H3. Additionally, electric cars are designed to be lighter. The pursue weight savings, exotic metals are used more often, resulting in more mining and refineries. Additionally, nearly all of this is done oversees in Asia, where coal is paramount.

>>15965289
Then are you just arguing against yourself? And I can't find any articles on its construction either.

>>15965282
Consumer cars will never sound like this. Due to noise regulations. Not to mention consumers will complain it's too noisy.

>>15965306
I seen them in person. They are not loud at all.

>>15965291

Then this mongoloid appeared.

>Wind is not constant

Jesus fucking Christ.

>>15965317
I decided to not take him seriously the moment I read "meme".

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I wish fucking normies would stop acting like cars are destroying the earth.

>implying cargo ships burning dirty oil aren't the problem

http://www.industrytap.com/worlds-15-biggest-ships-create-more-pollution-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/8182

>implying dirt cheap manufacturing with no emissions regulations in China, India, etc aren't the problem

https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp

>implying the creation of new vehicles and treating vehicles as disposable objects isn't the problem

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car

>>15965174
They're bad for the environment in a way that can't be fixed. An ICE can change fuel sources atleast, and become much safer for the environment. The oncoming energy crisis will make the affordability of an EV a forgotten meme.

>Cost to fill a 5000 mile hydrogen fuel cell in 2085
>$2500
>Cost to charge a 5000 mile battery in 2085
>$15000
>Cost to take cramped Fission-Powered Greyhound ultrabus 5000 miles in 2085
>$100

>>15965317
>wind is constant
what the fuck are you smoking
Wind sometimes is there, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it's strong, sometimes it's light.

That's not what "constant" means, fucktard

>>15965301
>"I would know, I just spent 45 seconds googling it."

And no, the point being is that just because an undertaking is being made doesn't mean it will go on to serve its function or it was ever intended to- Look to the IX-529 Sea Shadow for a rather egregious example.

>>15965332

I have decided to ignore you.

>>15965337
Yes, retreat back into your safe space

>>15965335
45 seconds on google just to see that you're full of shit and can't provide nothing more than false equivalences.

If you think ICE should be phased out, you are either a woman or a low test beta cuck

>>15965388
Yes, yes, we already heard the cries of hurt feelings already.

>>15965174
Donald trump will never get the nomination

>>15965024
Underrated

>>15965400
Well it doesn't seem like he'll be president so
Better enjoy Clinton

>>15964816
Fucks sake, Yuros. Why do you let them do this to you?

>none of you can burn dinosaur juice
>but we can spew smoke all over the place in our fuckhuge ships
>btw take some more Syrians or we'll call you bigots

So lets say 2030 comes by and no one but germany does this

does it means that some one with a 2030 twingo in france cannot drive his god machine into germany?

>>15965557
Germans are made to feel guilty about WW2, many other countries have a colonial past that they "have" to feel guilty for. People are basically taught to be cucks from the very beginning.

>>15965561
It's just new car sales.
>implying 2030 Twingo won't be electric anyway

>>15965557
You know that, if this gets approved and gets made into actual law, it'll spread like a cancer across Europe and will reach the US right?

Russia might be our last haven after all.

>>15965561
No, you just won't be able to buy an ICE-powered car after 2030.

>>15965561
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/holland-wants-to-ban-gas-cars-by-2025-news-report/

Germany is far from the only place looking to do this.

>>15965572
Twingos are made on the Smart Platform, while it had an EV option, nobody bought it, most smart AND twingo sales nowadays are the 3 banger turbo

2030 twingo will probably have an EV opton for germans while ever one else can buy the 3 banger turbo

>>15965582
So its just yuros?

Glad my country has bigger problems to deal with than not letting us drive ICEs

>>15964843
Electric cars currently suck. An electric """"""""sportscar""""""" that can't drive hard for more than a few laps sucks.

Aren't Hydrogen ICEs emission free?
all Hydrogen combustion produces is H2O vapour

so would they still be legal in 2030 germany?

>>15964960

Ya m8 cause ice cars haven't done shit for progress since 1940

>>15965612
I think a nuclear-powered hydrogen-as-fuel system could be in our future. We need to have enough excess energy to convert water to it though, and we need to either find a way to up desalination plant use without killing the oceans with the brine byproduct, or another way to get fresh water.

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Fourth Reich when?

>fugees
>muh eu
>no fasty fasty push the gassy

It's time lads.

>2016
>Not switchong to ethanol and making your own fuel in your backyard

>>15965612
Alternative fuels are definitely the way to go. Fuck EVs and self driving pods, the only people that want these are hipster cucks that live in the Bay Area and busriders who unapologetically hate on cars because they can't afford them.

>>15964816
>there are seriously people in the UK who voted to stay in Europe
So glad I voted out.

>>15965330
>$0.5 cpm for fucking hydrogen
>by usual progress, cars would at least be getting 150mpg but probably more
>75 fucking dollars for 1 gallon of hydrogen
Are you an actual retard?

>>15965612
And a fuck load of carbon emissions from the process of yanking it from coal.

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The future is carbon negative ethanol/gasoline. Not only it doesnt fuck up the environment, it actually helps clean it.

Wouldn't be surprised to see this happen very quickly once one of the big oil companies decides to stop sitting on their asses. Its just a matter of being willing to spend the money at this point.

>>15965774
Not really. Only one that managed to pick up any kind of steam was ethanol, and all I hear is bitching about how it's harmful to carburetors.

>>15965329
Lol your'e stupid.

Car with ICEs should be banned, electric cars are the future, you cuck.

Big this actually happens all the car manufacturers will just leave. They're retarded if they think we can mass produce and maintain a nation sized level of hydrogen or electric cars

>>15964816
Why is this bad?

There will be more than enough petrol cars grandfathered in to supply your need for carbon emissions

In 15 years i have absolutely no doubt that EV's will out perform ICEs

The fastest,coolest new cars will WILL be electric

If the only reason you cling to the past is "muh exaust soundz" you are irrational. We will not see the extinction of internal combustion in our lifetime. Legislation will push everyone to innovate and we will see a new exciting age of cars

>>15964989
;_;

>>15964816
Soooo, I agree with this from a rationale perspective, and we always knew this day would come, but it still makes me sad. At least it's a logical decision that will benefit humanity, as long as shit holes like china follow in our footsteps.

Oh well, we lived in an age where our cars were powered by fucking explosions, it was good. At least now I can buy up a hundred shitbox corollas and sell them at a ridiculous price once they become ancient artifacts.

>>15964924
That's only for the weaker model though. The performance spec P85D weighs around 2.2 tons. Also, the 7 series is larger than the Tesla.

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I can't wait for electric only trackdays

>Run 3 laps
>gotta wait 6 hours for your giant toy car to charge so you can go another 3 laps

>>15966460
you talk but all I hear is cuckspeak
>muh efficiency
>muh objectiveness

why is everyone in this thread so bootyblasted?

there wont' BE a Germany in 2030. The government can pass whatever law it wants, the 70+ percent Arab population will just ignore anything that isn't decreed by their imam and keep buying and driving internal combustion vehicles, especially into groups of surviving white cucks at the last few REFUGEES WELCOME parades.

>>15966392
Yep, give up that marketshare because you don't wanna play by the rules, that way you can give it up to others who would gleefully sell their products in your place.

>>15967036

Go home /pol/ you paranoid retard. Hurr durr muh no go zones.

>>15967062
enjoy your eurabian caliphate

Might as well argue "soul and passion". At least it wont make you sound as much of a retard like "cuck" and "muh".
>>15966908
Did tears stream down your face as you typed that

>>15967072
>Did tears stream down your face as you typed that
they do every day when I think that when I'm old we'll live in a world full of electric cars because of "muh efficiency"

>>15967083
And how they'll be superior to whatever you drive in every way whatsoever, including weight, by that time?

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>>15964843
>with a brain
you over estimate politicians and dumb asses with too much time on their hands

Gonna be hooning around in my loud, gas-sucking land yacht like a bogan for years to come.

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>>15967062
>Refugees Welcome!

>>15967072
Electric cars are still heavy as hell so they won't corner as well. Also no personality.

>>15965006
>Electric motors don't need to be worked on
Indeed, all you ned is to throw it away when it stops working and buy a new one.
Good work, goy, here is your e-shekel for this post.

>>15965572
>it'll spread like a cancer across Europe and will reach the US right?
No, because everyone will see the german automotive industry crash and burn, all the jobs disappearing, etc.
Self-righteousness and back-patting are not enough to justify losing thousands and thousands of jobs.

Cant wait to be this guy with car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teFXjTSQGDQ

>>15965015
Time to refill ICE?
3 minutes including paying.

Time to recharge EV?
Anywhere between an 1-9 hours.

Enjoy waiting at the plug with your wife's son.

>>15967093
But they just won't be.

>>15964851
>he doesn't want his car to sound like an F-Zero car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zBFeAPSpbM

>>15964816

These areas will be a 3rd world slum of violence and tribal cultures by 2030 anyway.

What's it matter if they're planning to ban cars now?

2bh krautland is one of the few places populated densely enough that electric cars might somewhat work, with a decade or two of advancement in technology.
And its not like cars of the last few decades have been interesting in any way or showing promise to get better so I don't really give a fukk what drives them

>>15964843
>Noone with a brain

You see, that's something European politicians clearly don't have. They willingly let in thousands of niggers and mudslimes to milk their welfare system and rape/steal/attack their native population with impunity. It's obvious that they're fucking retarded, or want to turn the place into a shitheap police state worse than the holocaust.

I think it's interesting how all the biggest supporters of electric cars are either literal kikes, or have 50 kike friends who tell them to prepare the goyim for control.

Mad max will be the new standard once the race war breaks out.

>>15964913
You're obsolete technology and should be phased out. Giga kikes will replace you with robots and mixed niggers within 5 years of forcing the electric car change.

>>15964924
How the fuck does it weigh that much, when it has no massive engine, an interior made of shitty waiting room seats, chinese plastic and an ipad glued to the dash badly because tesla are retards?

>german car industry is about the only sector that does somehow well
>"hey, how about we took the risk of getting completely rid of it with no replacement based on potential technological advancment?"
I can't understand how Germany became so self-destructive.
It has organisations of people who call themselves "anti-german" for fuck's sake

>>15965175
What about diesel fuel? You can run diesel cars on an enormous range of shit like vegetable oil, literal shit etc.

And the emissions created from the manufacture of electric batteries is more per car than each ICE puts out in its lifetime.

>>15971236
Batteries. They're stuffed in the floor of the vehicle though, so the COG is very low.

>>15971261
I don't think they're planning to ban german manufacturers from selling combustion engines elsewhere

>>15965317
Not an argument. Nuclear power is the only viable way to meet the world's energy needs unless coal magically doesn't run out, or somebody can figure out how to get solar power efficient enough to outweigh nuclear power. Most countries aren't building them because fuckwits and government jews won't shut up about "muh chernobyl" and "muh WMD's"

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>tfw I am open minded enough to appreciate the benefits of an electric car

YES.

COME, ON GUYS.

>>15965708
Gas the kikes race war now.

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>>15964843
>>embrace the future
>t. drama student
Can't wait for 2030 (13 years fucking lmao) and all the stupid hipster faces when electric cars are just as bad as they are now.

Don't worry Germanbros, Frauke will make our engines great again.

>>15965099
>inb4 dude I got those HKS brushes

>>15964913
>Some people actually support progress
and some people know 6th grade physics and don't fall for pop-sci bullshit and tesla marketing hype. some people.

>>15966460
Do you have license? If yes, then what are you doing here? You are obviously not an enthusiast...
More important than sound is the feel, managing the narrow powerband as you call it etc. Just "the fun of it"
Your evs surely are "better" for taking you from point A to B, but surely are not so enviromently friendly (resources for batteries, copper and other rare metals etc.)

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>>15964816
HANG ON A MINUTE
>adjusts glasses
LISTEN HERE
>rummages through hemp fiber shopping tote
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS
>Tesla catches fire
ELECTRIC CARS ARE THE FUTURE
>has to bring his e-car to a dealership for repairs
YOU JUST DONT HAVE
>Apple logo the size of dinner plate fixed to the faux grille
A PROPER PROGRESSIVE MINDSET
>sports e-car becomes anemic after a few hot laps
COME ON GRAMPS
>e-car doesn't have the power to climb the 10% grade to the farmer's market
GET WITH THE TIMES
>adjusts neon-colored trilby
IT'S TWENTY-SIXTEEN
>Tesla catches fire again

>>15964843
this

/thread

>>15965128
Most attempts at makings ICE more thermally efficient robs the engine of power density.

Look up atkinson motors and egr systems. The ICE motor that can keep up with high efficiency is going to have shit horsepower numbers. The most thermally efficient gasoline car is the Prius for example.

You're going to wish you had an EV car vs. a neutered hyper efficient ICE engine.

based

the future is looking bright and free instead of black and congested

>Guys we had to return to burning coal and importing power since we closed down our nuclear plants and wind power stations aren't capable of providing baseload electricity and CO2 emissions actually increased, what do?
>I KNOW, let's double our demand for electricity by banning the ICE!
and this is why you don't vote theologians, social workers and teachers into your parliament, kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FYttMIdUmA
>this triggers half the people ITT

>>15971546
Efficiency is not even in the top ten of most important factors in public transport, you drooling retard.
This is also why, you know, the ICE became standard and not eletric 120 years ago.

>>15965329
Fucking this.

Also the only "car of the future" is hybrid. Look at Ferrari, Porsche, Maclaren, BMW, Audi are doing with hybrid technology in road and track cars. That's exciting, not some meme spurted by an entrepreneur with a Steve Jobs tier band of fanboys.

>>15965282
vomit

>>15965289
Dude that's a short stretch of test loop they built in the desert of Nevada, it doesn't go anywhere.
It was to test if it even works or not.
It wasn't even a loop, it's just a tiny straight stretch.

Electric cars are still relying on lithium tech that was invented decades ago, the more we try to shrink it, the more capacity we try to wring out,the more likely they are to explode, look at the note 7 and the teslas that have already burned down.
Also lithium tech is very fragile and has a limited lifespan, the batteries will last 5-10 years at most and cost half the price of the car to replace.
There's gonna be a huge market of "totaled" teslas fur sale in the future because the battery costs too much.

Are you aware that the batteries in the teslas are the exact same batteries used in laptops?
Guess what happens when your laptop gets old, it doesn't hold a charge anymore.
It doesn't take very long does it?

>>15964816
I for one support in crushing the EU... I mean German economy.

>>15964843

>No one with a brain will argue for them to be fully banned.

It is impossible to negotiate with prohibitionists. If they have the ability to do something, they will do it.

>>15965557
It's already over. All good cars are far behind us and the domestic market is full of non-repairable cuckmobiles made for the leasing market and people who hate cars. The car culture of Europe is long dead. It's skeleton is in a display case for everyone to see but there are no more stem cells from which you could grow one back. It's foundations are lost forever, it's been demonized and ridiculed. Mark my words, car culture is not coming back to Europe and everyone here is helpless about it.

All I know is that by this time next year I'm getting a jap ICE-powered fun machine if I can get my hands on it and have some fun. Then I'm gonna buy the best car I can possibly find and have some more fun and if the ICE ban comes during my life time I will be the last person to drive it in my country.

>>15964816
only hope is hydrogen combustion engines pick up soon.

>>15971485
>You are obviously not an enthusiast...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Let me just shortly explain how the EU works:

>invent some restrictive measure that's supposed to help the environment, consumer rights or any other "problem"
>have cucks vote for it and support it zealously because they are literally horseshit dumb and will support anything that looks progressive and cool
>make the legislation to closely fit the German/French crony companies and a nightmare for everyone else to follow
>collect bribes and favors from these cronies
>German and French products dominate the common market, the protectionism keeps foreign stuff out and secures monopoly for your crony friends
>German/French products shit on all competition and dominate the EU market
>to access the EU "free" market you have to agree on these regulations
>behold, a one-way free market

No doubt that the 2030. electric car regulations will be custom made for the VW group.

>>15975871
Yeah that makes perfect sense, it's not like Germany would absolutely destroy 90% of their industry that way.
Also Draghi does everything to keep the corrupt southern european shitholes alive on the expense of Germany/Austria/Netherlands/GB, that's how the EU actually works.

>>15968156
> They only have a bearing on the output that could be considered wear and tear, and a good quality one will last for the life of the motor (which is far greater of that of an ICE, it can run nonstop for decades)
It's a shame you're illiterate.

>>15968174
And what proof do you have that any of this will happen?

DO NOT LET THIS BULLSHIT HAPPEN IN THE USA
WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS

>>15975917
sometimes you have to give up a "right" to solve a problem
if you don't agree, YOU are the problem

>>15975919
>wew guys giving up all our rights didn't solve the problem afterall
>anyway...

>>15975919
You should fuck off to Europe if you think this.

>>15975947
>>15975955
problematic trump supporters detected
go back to /pol/

>>15975955
He's right, dude. "Rights" are the foundation for the EU to "protect" people by regulating. No rights, only freedoms.

>>15971311
MUH SOUND
KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK

>>15972942
Hybrid is an inbetween step. It's to still allow them to use the energy density of petroleum fuels while batteries catch up. As they do, the petroleum burning part becomes more and more vestigial.
>>15973801
Lithium Ion, you mean. There's more chemistries being explored, like Lithium-Air, Lithium-Silicon, and Lithium-Sulfur. And they're showing promise in longevity, charge times, and/or capacity.

>>15975917
Yeah, like how we fought militarized police and domestic spying.
Oh wait.

>>15975871
dont forget Renault/Nissan they are doing electric cars as fuck

>>15971586
Wew lad being this autistic

>>15975998
And also I saw a mention about Magnesium being used in the place of Lithium.

>>15968637
>pays $12,000 every 8 years for a new battery

>>15976119
Batteries, especially modern ones, last way more than that.

>>15976017
Militarized police happen in a "multicultural" society. If there weren't chimpouts and terrorist attacks practically every fucking week we would still have good old boys for cops.

>>15976317
>we fight for our rights
>and this?
>they deserve it

>>15964843
3) This is mostly to make room in the global emissions budget for more coal plants, jets, diesel ships, and heavily polluting factories. They want MORE polluting shit for business reasons, so individual liberties gotta go. It's almost like something stalin would do.
4) Range is shit and spare fuel can not be transporterd. EVs limit you to within a certain distance of civilization. If you want to go further you must take highly regulated and expensive mass transport.
5) EVs often have nanny technologies for remote shutoff and control. Your freedom of movement has been usurped by the state. Do not argue. The law is right. The law is god. You do not decide the law. You are the property of the state. You must always be brought to justice for transgressions against the state. You may not simply get up and leave, even if the people across the border will protect you. Ever. Germany is set to become a dystopia.

>>15964852
>batteries are improving
Way slower than ICEs are improving in efficiency

electric motors are great backup dirve systems but really it's complete shit for primary transport

>>15976345
>Way slower than ICEs are improving in efficiency
I haven't heard about how how an ICE's efficiency doubling every few years.

3 is completely incoherent, 4 the range has doubled and continues to improve. Tesla is setting a norm of 200 miles, and even pushing 300. The average commute is less than 40 miles. 5 is tinfoil stupidity.

>>15975919
tell that to the multimillion dollar businesses who would have to halve their exec's salaries to implement stricter emissions controls

>wester oligarchy (aka "representative democracy")
>ever concerned with "the greater good"
>not "the greater profit" for its resident businesses

>>15976373
>It's incoherent! Tinfoil!
Okay, okay, let's just trust that a country that criminalizes proposing an alternative death toll for a genocide it willingly comitted to not do anything retarded. I'm sure the nation known for being absolutely insane will do as the US and fail to use its powers to do anything but kind of piss people off with the potential. Absolutely no politician would ever consider disabling or controlling the vehicle of a "criminal" to bring them in for punishment (as all crime is supremely wrong, so says father state). It's not like such technologies haven't been proposed and developed for ICEs as well.
>muh average commute to work
You could easily be limited to that and only that if neighboring countries didn't put unregulated charging stations within a certain distance of the german border, perhaps as a treaty put in place to prevent "criminals" from escaping "justice".

>>15976413
You're using things that haven't happened as some kind of proof of how evil electric cars are. No, I don't think any politician has considered disabling any electric car. Because it hasn't happened. But remember how the government disabled a stolen Tesla when it was stolen from a lot? You don't? Because it didn't happen.
>criminalizes proposing an alternative death toll for a genocide
And what does this have to do with EVs?

>>15976433
>Things that haven't happened should not be considered
And what's your alternative? Going on a righteous rampage and killing people when the government does you wrong and won't ever agree with you?

Politicians have and are considering disabled and controlling cars as a "crime" fighting measure. Compliance is guaranteed if an officer wants to pull you over. Banning ICEs simply gets rid of all the cars that aren't and can't be fitted with the necessary technology.

>what does this have to do with EVs*
*germany's respect for human rights

>inb4: why is this a problem? have something to hide? rape any lolis recently?
existing laws are largely tolerated because enforcement ranges from lax to impractical and rarely performed for less serious and completely victimless crimes. they don't leave a lot of evidence, they're just banned on principle. speeding is a good example for most of this board. you endanger others sometime, but if you're on your own, is it that big of a deal?

if enforcement technologies improve with things like every car on the road essentially being under police control and possibly surveillance, such laws quickly go from "don't do that, honey" levels of serious to "THAT'S THIRTY YEARS IN THE CUBES" serious. your car will now drive you to the police station when you say "niggers and jews, bad news" within listening distance of its built in micrphones so you may be served with your millionth fine for uncivil speech.

>>15975919
Holy fuck I didn't know people actually thought like this. Take your dumbass to Cuba or something. As a great man once said
"Those willing to give up liberty for safety, deserve no liberty, nor safety"

>>15976378
the real problem

>>15976463
fourth reich shill distracting from the real problem

wake up sheeple

>>15976463
>such laws quickly go from "don't do that, honey" levels of serious to "THAT'S THIRTY YEARS IN THE CUBES" serious
Such as?

>>15969904
might as well kill myself

>>15976544
Furry lolicon

90% of germans going to jail by 2030

>>15975963
you should get out of /o/

>>15964816
Why not just force hybrids to be built and not give a shit about old stuff.

>>15975917
90% of the population NEED a car the worst that can happen is that the production of ICE will progressively stop. But and outright ban isn't gonna come anytime in America unless there is fuckhuge improvement in public trnsportation.

>>15965006
no you have to switch out the engine to go faster the only time when coding is required is when you are removing limiters

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>>15975998
>>15976165
>>15964816
https://youtu.be/xqY8FUDcATE
Anyone who did agree should do as PIC related

>>15976818
So cities will do it ala paris

>NY: FUCK POOR PEOPLE NEW CARS ONLY
>SF: FUCK POOR PEOPLE NEW CARS ONLY
>TAKE THE BUS NIGGERS.

>>15976964
Either one already extraordinarily expensive to live in.

>>15965057
Really depends on where he gets his electricity from and at what cost.

My house is off the grid and my panels paid for themselves 2 years ago.

>>15971487
maximum keks, screenshotted

>>15965587
Just euros means the whole world eventually.